<![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: Distance* (Not distant) Now I'm going to bed, before I resort to being nasty with people that don't know what they are talking about.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @okenny :): distant*speed=X (ping) Or however you write formulas, let me know when you understand what that means.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: I see what you did there :) I say up and you say down. The world moves on... believe what you want. I could care less ;)

okenny :)

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> I have had the same experience as others with respect to not being reimbursed points for downloaded Xbox Live Arcade games that no longer function on my replaced Xbox. I have been waiting for this to be resolved since September 2007. Who was it at the breakfast that said points were being reimbursed?

DWAnderson

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: Our personal experiences differ then. I've yet to encounter any cheaters on XBL. Maybe I'm playing the wrong games (Gears, Halo).

Also, Action Replay? I wasn't even aware that there was one available for the 360. Maybe it worked on the original Xbox, but we're in another generation now.

Anyhoo, you're always going to have cheaters in games. It's been happening since the Dawn of Time ("Time" being the birth of videogames). The point is that for the vast majority of players on XBL, it's not an issue and plenty of people do get banned, judging from the volume of complaints out there about MS' over-zealous Banhammer. It's a stark contrast to PC multiplayer where cheating is such a huge issue many just don't bother anymore. I certainly don't...

freakout

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Anyway, I really have to go to bed now :P But please do continue to discuss how great pay for p2p is and how dedicated servers are evil not to mention xbl is 100% secure and cheat free. Night!

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @okenny :): And here I thought upload speed mattered, besides dedicated servers are all close enough to have a good ping, try out warhawk or any PC title but I guess it doesn't matter and exist in your world. As for security, it is not preventing hacking and cheating in online games, sorry but it doesn't. XBL bans modded consoles true, but not all. I believe in terms of the marketplace it is very, very secure, so much that it is a pain for normal people sometimes. Also I don't think you can compare WoW servers or any MMO with xbox live, I really don't think so at all. And even then there are free MMO's, that does a lot more then track "statistics".

SO I guess people want and like dedicated servers becase of something they heard, right, GL with that kenny, in the meantime online gaming on dedicated servers beat the hell out of p2p. And p2p is free everywhere else. I guess I have no clue playing all 3 consoles and all 3 previous gen and PC for 20 years. Maybe you and me can have a game sometime in the same room over live and experience locked 200ping on gears or war and most of the other titles? :) XBL p2p is really worth the money.

PS: It is only impossible in your mind

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: People want dedicated servers because they think it gives them performance, that simply isn't the case. The number one component for network game performance given everyone is using broadband, is ping. The fact is that you have a higher degree of hitting that with P2P rather then with dedicated servers because P2P matches can be organized to link up people with optimal ping distances from each other.

XML has multiple layers of network. Ranking, commerce, match making, stat tracking, TrueSkill, etc... are all done on Dedicated XBL servers all over the world to provide optimum security and stability for LIVE's vital infrastructure. The only thing that is done with the P2P algorithm is the gameplay traffic which is more performance intensive and less dependent on security. Even with this, there are still security measures in place that keeps all of LIVE's traffic secure. If someone hosting a game (in some game's implementation) decides to kick their router or dump hot grease all over it to ruin the game experience for everyone else in that match, they can. In other implementations, they cant. It really depends on how a person wants to work with things. LIVE also bans modified consoles and that's the greatest and most effective counter measures for cheaters... they can't even get as far as they did on XBL v1.

The fact of the matter is XBL is very secure and this is backed by the fact that they can store HD content from Hollywood. I work in the media industry and the MPAA is very paranoid about HD content. IS Sony's PSN and the Nintendo WiiConnect24 just as secure? Maybe so, I don't know but they don't have Hollywood movies over digital download and that says a lot to me.

People Who think that dedicated servers are something companies will just give out for free and infrastructure is something that cost nothing are silly. Wow with it's 10 million subscribers don't have them on concurrently but it costs them almost $400 million a year to run. LIVE being a similar network, people should stop asking for the impossible. MS also allows companies to run their own dedicated servers if they choose but when people do the math, they have no problem with P2P yet gamers who know nothing about networking or business bitch about something they heard they want for reasons that they cant even substantiate.

okenny :)

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: OK, thats what I thought.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> I just want to point out that a lot of Sony games use P2P protocol as well... it a smart technology that's cheap. The real reason a person may want to implement a dedicated server over a large network are for reasons other than performance; primarily stability. For people really interested in networks trade-offs, they should look up some network topologies.

okenny :)

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @ceilingFANBOY: now with 100% more fanboy: COD does not have dedicated servers on console.

Another thing on this subject is, back on old xbox basically EVERY xbox live game had dedicated server option when hosting, something I took advantage of using a second xbox with a second account using seperate connections. Always hosting pretty lag free 16player games, as far as I know only rainbow six vegas has that option on the 360.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @freakout: You do know theres both, dedicated and p2p at the same time. It doesn't have to be one way or another, unless it is XBL we are talking about that only has p2p. Also the servers will be spread out and they always have better ping then ANY home connection can ever offer. Also whatever maintenance there is is not noticable. Oh and GL playing p2p games on old xbox, like UC, oh thats right p2p doesn't last forever. Anyway, good argument, there is always a time for a first and this is the first time I heard an argument as to why dedicated servers are bad...

As for cheating, here you go man


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And there is plenty of more cheats and hacks on xbox live, like bridging and doing stuff so hosts can't kick you etc etc etc. Xbox live is anything but secure from cheats. Not to mention standby that can't be done on dedicated servers. It is easier to catch a cheater and ban him on dedicated servers then p2p. I have seen hacking on xbox live since the first time I saw my buddy fly on CS or the time me and a couple of friends with action replay managed to get UC to be played in third person with a button press make ourself invincible to damage etc and walk through walls.

Also there is more ways to catch cheaters and ban them on PC and easier then using a complaint system that not many people use because they think you can't cheat, like yourself. And there are a lot of a holes on XBL, I never met as many a holes on one place in my life. Not to say that cheating can't be done and it ain't being done on PS3 or that there are a holes there too because it is.



Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @freakout: You can have a hybrid system. Allow you to choose between dedicated and P2P servers. Both have their advantages and disadvantages and being able to choose is the best way to go.

COD4 needs a player mute. Going through an entire match with someone playing the same song over and over again gets annoying. Am I just retarded and not knowing that there is a mute function? Also, does COD even have dedicated servers? It seems that Im always on a P2P server with the constant host ending the games and connection errors.

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Am I the only one who doesn't want dedicated servers? Dedicated sucks, arguably more than P2P. For starters, if you don't have a good connection to a dedicated server, you're stuck with it. Forever. A well-designed P2P system will instead (in theory) search out faster local games. Dedicated servers can go down, require scheduled maintenance etc. Dedicated servers mean that any developer that wants to include multiplayer faces a significant, ongoing cost in bandwidth and infrastructure, and may eventually shut it down after a few years. P2P multiplayer lasts as long as there are still people playing.

 

It's not a one-sided argument, as so many here seem to think. There are real drawbacks to dedicated servers just as there is to P2P. No system is perfect.

 

Plus, I'm glad XBL isn't free. MS run a very tight ship on Live and you're pretty much guaranteed a cheater-free multiplayer experience. That's patently not the case on the PC and I suspect in a year or two PS3 will face the same problems as the userbase swells with douchebag freeloaders who are only in it to cheat their way to the top.

 

Again, there's pros and cons to both the free and the paid arguments, but personally I come down on the side of there being a barrier to entry. Opening it up to freeloaders is an open invitation to assholes who don't care about the game to come on and mess things up.

 

(Yes, there are lots of assholes on Live. I know. If it was free there's be even more. Welcome to the Internet.)

 

freakout

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Guizzy: Thats cool man, long names is a bitch. I hear you, but I really do think the value is terrible for what you pay for compared to PC and PSN, atleast when PSN gets ingame xmb and Home. But value is also subjective, and I respect that you think you get your moneys worth so to say. Also clan support would be nice, they promised that before the 360 got released, something my clan was hoping for moving from old xbox to the 360, that and tournaments with spectator feeds etc. I hope they implement that.
 
Atleast I have some faith in you when you say that you would "want it" ;)
 
@aka Bitter:  Whats your point? That they can't do it because of possible bad content? Thats an even worse excuse then a security issue. They could still implement it and take that into consideration as well as make sure that content does not reach the "people". Perhaps it is a case of being lazy, but I think my theory makes more sense, about DLC and them making money. But even then, if they said that I would atleast respect them, but when they take a shot at the competition implying they don't care it annoys the hell out of me, especially coupled with bad excuses. Besides why can't MS use the same ISP line that Sony uses? Also, google with youtube seems to do fine, and MS havs even more money and leverage to handle themselves with possible suits.





Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @aka Bitter: Oh, and on the subject of Swastikas in games... Last I check, Cactuar was still okay for Final Fantasy games. And yesterday, I was playing N+ on XBLA and came upon a level (not too far from the beginning) that was a King Cactuar.

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @magic_envelope: sony don't give away an xna-style service, for free or otherwise...

xbulletholes

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @aka Bitter:Or worse... Naked Marvel characters with swastikas tatooed on their penises!

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only:
I think the key comment is this:
Satchell: I can't comment on what Sony is doing. How are they protecting gamers from obscene content, infringing content and harmful content.
If some UT3 mod contains a bunch of penises, swastikas or even worse, Marvel characters, it's Microsoft that's going to be sued. With PSN, Sony just has to say, "our network is open and we are only transporting content, therefore we are covered by the same rights ISP's"
 





aka Bitter

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@Irenicus-the one and only: Just checked your history; sorry, mistook you for someone else with a long name.

Am I even arguing Sony has a "worse security" than Microsoft? Why would I even do that? Does Sony produce an OS I'm not aware of?

Of course not, which is why I was not trying to compare. However, what I was doing is pointing out that whipping out Vista as an argument against the Xbox 360 is as silly as whipping out the rootkit scandal as an argument against the PS3. Yes, the main division at Microsoft is not a shining beacon of hope in the field of security, but the entertainment division at Microsoft acts very differently from the OS division, to a point where even I, Linux zealot extraordinaire, am wondering they're even the same company.

 

As for asking for something Microsoft should provide, I don't see why I would. Well, I would WANT it, but it would be hypocritical of me seeing as I feel I definitively get my 60$ worth. My experience with online play on Xbox Live has been most excellent, lag being very very rare. Actually, I would want clan support before dedicated servers. Whether or not Sony offers something free, I don't care. All I know is that reputable sources consistantly report that the PS3 online component is not yet up to Xbox Live level, and that I am very satisfied about what I recieve. This might change once, if, Sony matches Microsoft's offer for free, but I don't see this happening very soon.

 

As of now, I see no reason to leave angry voicemail on Bill Gates's phone.

At least, not about that.

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> lol, nice jab at Avatar

Sandbox_Emperor

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Guizzy: First, I have not complained all over these last few days about the 360 and xbox live, don't fucking lie!

Again, the issue is they pull a cheapshot at Sony for allowing gamers to use mods. Real stupid. Talk about making yourself look like a fool. And to argue that Sony security is worse then MS's is a dead argument, nothing to discuss, no point.

PS3 onwers have "whined" for VERY long about ingame xmb, I did the same when I had a PS3, and I whined about xbox live when I payed for it. But if you wanna act like an 8 year old and refuse to ask for something that MS should provide because of system wars then you need to grow up!

PS: Go ahead and label me, I don't care.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: First, this is the kind of comment that prompted me to label you as a card-carrying member of the Sony Defense Force; you've been complaining all over these last few days about the Xbox 360 and Xbox Live.

As for your comment about "who's security is worse", well, I wouldn't even expect 8-years old to resort to the "let's not discuss it but I'm right!" strategy. Not that I would defend Microsoft on that end (I'm furiously anti-Windows activist, trust me), but Sony is just as despicable in pretty much every regard, including security.

"Instead of defending it people paying for XBL should let them know and "whine" as some might call it until it is changed, or they add more stuff like dedicated servers or/and other stuff to increase the value."

And what about letting me decide if the level of service I recieve is worth what I pay for it? I don't whine about something when I'm mostly satisfied about it. Why don't PS3 owners whine and let Sony know that they want the PS3 to have in-game XMB?

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @nevergod:
Hmm, 50 a month, motherfucker you be gettin ripped off. Hell I won't argue I'm pissed that i have to pay 4 a month for a system where I don't get servers and I don't even get the choice of having servers. <- Seriously fuck MS in the ass for that. I mean i can sort of see the supply constraint thing since they prolly haven't made a new console since like september after they flooded the market. Seriously fuckin MS has my friends hostage and the only way to play is to pay the 4 a month ransom :(

WickedSack

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Malidictus: Uhhh they just did... Security, you even wrote it yourself. You might find it a bit of a "lame" reason but they still gave one.

Personally i think they should be working out a solution, instead of leaving it to Epic.

Walker

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> "We are not talking about a blu-ray player. People are buying our system to play games." FINALLY.. Anyways, this idea looks really amazing.. O.o, and really hard..

Katorok

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @nevergod: You mean, 50$ a year? so that comes out to about 7 bucks a month to play online?

Glasseater

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: THANK YOU! And I should add, those hardware failures will not help either, especially since the "no games" excuse is not valid anymore for PS3 and that the format war is over. Although I want Gears 2, I'll be very satisfied with just KZ2 if I have the slightest doubt that my console will fail on me after a month. It's time Microsoft start worrying about the real issues.

FP_slomo788

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> and why are we still paying for live if all these user games are going to be accessable by everyone? im paying 50 dollars a month to talk to my 4 friends? terrible.

nevergod

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> im so sick of this "its a priority" having your system stable working and not fucking people over every day should be beyond the top of mind. it should be the sole focus point until it is fixed.

frankly, i don't give a shit about getting user games, i want a system that im not worrying about failing and worrying about loosing games i paid for or videos that i paid for.

what the hell M$

nevergod

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> When Ingame XMB is released then the value of xbox live gold become zero. On PC it is minus, basically you are paying to get screwed over. Instead of defending it people paying for XBL should let them know and "whine" as some might call it until it is changed, or they add more stuff like dedicated servers or/and other stuff to increase the value.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> I guess people buying the system for games and not movies was the same logic they used when they decided to come out with an HD-DVD drive for the 360. You should have asked him when they were going to stop being assholes with their backhanded "oh, Sony doesn't care about security" comment. There were better ways they could have addressed the issue, such as "we feel that we are not capable of sustaining a secure Live environment if we allowed mods." Would that have been so tough?

ceilingFANBOY

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @magic_envelope: Good points and something that needs to be adresses, be carefull though, soon someone will call you a fanboy...

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> When are Dedicated Servers coming to all XBL games?

Sony provides these for free on their FREE PSN service.

what givers that consumers must pay 50$ a year for peer to peer gameplay?

what does it cost microsoft?

what is the justification for the 50$ fee?

Many XBL games are unplayable because of host advantages and latency issues... and now microsoft is bringing all this crap to the pc with Games for Windows live.

I bought gears of war for pc thinking that it would naturally have dedicated server support, but it doesn't, it's the same laggy rip off that ruined the 360 version of the game.

Microsoft: why aren't you taking online gaming seriously? Sony is.

You aren't going to create the next you tube or myspace by charging people 50$ a year for something sony gives away free.

magic_envelope

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Toasticus: lol

@kcm117: Yeah what if, what if killer bees kills your family when you are at work, think about that. Or killer horses


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@Guizzy: They could make sure those exploits can't be done, as much as they can now. It is about money, simple as that, money!

ANd I'm not slamming MS because Sony has better security okey? I slam them because Sony allows mods and PC etc. But MS don't and wants it stopped and likes their DLC money and people buying a lot of new games. So don't be dumb and turn this into something about whos security is the best, even if MS has the worst, which is a fact.



Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Ok, I've read a good amount of the comments here and basically I'm convinced that the lot of you are just a bunch of whiners. You look for something to complain about and that's what you comment and focus on. Why are you like that????

There was a lot of GOOD information given here that really makes me feel even better about this whole XBLCG initiative. It sounds like something that could really grow the industry.

DARTH_TIGRIS

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> I can see where Microsoft's reasoning from a security standpoint, but I still think Epic should be able to work out something with MS.

@greeble: What if some crafty person finds a way to slip some executable code into a UT3 Mod that completely bricks your system?

kcm117

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Wow, snappy response! I do love my kotakus, it's like it's run by real people! D:

@Irenicus-the one and only: Right, stop that. It's silly.

Toasticus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> "That's something we are still working through, that's something very top of mind. We are working on that yes.

In the interim what we are doing is giving points to those folks who bought those games and can't download them, so they can redownload those titles. We realize it is unacceptable."

I call bullshit, you call and get a CSR on the line and they will tell you procedure has changed and that they will relicence your content to your new 360, except it takes 6+ months for that to happen.

Morberis

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @slomo788: Seconded. This makes it much easier to follow the conversation :D

Norellicus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: Security is one issue. I don't believe it's mostly security for the user, that, I don't. I would much more easily believe that this is to avoid someone finding an exploit to "unlock" the console to unlicensed third-party apps and game "back-ups" (wink wink, nudge nudge). I merely had to point it out because slamming Microsoft for it implies that its competitors are any better about security.
@slomo788: To answer your first question: yes. To answer your last question: the United States.

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Wow guys thanks for listening Toasticus' suggestion!

FP_slomo788

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @JerrD74: hopes his license issues get fixed soon: Wow, that sux... *sigh

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: Except the line about them giving points out is completely bullshit. I tried on 4 separate occasions to get reimbursed points when I had given up on them just relicensing my stuff, and THEY wouldn't have it.
"We're not authorized to reimburse points under this situation" is what I was told..

JerrD74: RIP George Carlin

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @slomo788:

Man your comment about Live is sadly so freaking true. I'd love to play through a game of CoD that didn't have at least 1 person that made me sad to be from the US. You wanna fix security then do a better job kicking those pricks off the service......but can't do that because again, it comes down to the cash,

logikil

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @homernoy: The OS makes no strides to work smarter. It changes things simply for the sake of change, with no appreciable gain in efficiency or clarity. Aesthetic appeal, sure, but that's all it has going for it.

I'm not going to list specifics because it'll only degenerate into a 'NO U' shouting match.

Norellicus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Guizzy: BTW, I'm not a Sony fanboy, atm I don't own a Sony console. I guess when MS does bad and someone points it out it makes you a fanboy.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> I don't get the whole HDD thing. I was under the impression that the security on the drives was a result of the filesystem that the disk uses. If you can provide a disk that runs a formatting utility on a new drive so that it has the same filesystem where exactly are you affecting security. Also thats a different answer then has been given before. In a previous interview that discussed the HDD one of the MS talking heads said they wanted to ensure the specifications of the drive (speed, throughput, etc.) So which is it? Frankly i think both answers are BS and as mentioned above it all comes down to money.

Up to around the last couple months of last year the 360 was easily my favorite system. I still own most my games for it, but if anyone ever wanted a text book example of how to lose the goodwill of a consumer group, just do a study on the 360 over it's lifespan. They were so quick to get out into the market and quick to tie up exclusives (third party no less) that they forgot about quality, keeping talent in your own development studios, etc.

I firmly believe that if MS doesn't do something fast, the PS3 is easily going to overtake them in all regions by the end of the year. This from someone who was a pretty staunch 360 fan.

logikil

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @vonfaustus: in fairness, if you wanted a dvd player (one of the few things the 360 does media-wise out of the box), you can get them for about £20.

xbulletholes

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Guizzy: Did you actually read your link? It's about Sony using a wrong and dangerous technique to protect CDs. His "rants" were about MS not protecting the OS enough and using security as a reason to make you pay for stuff that should be free and to take cheap shots at their rivals who took that next step. They also gave security for a reason to not make Live free like PSN. Where do you find the most douchebags, racist and homophobic pricks?

FP_slomo788

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Guizzy: You think security is the issue when it comes to modding? Talk about being gullible.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Protip: MS is not reimbursing points for lost content. Didn't Kotaku cover this last week or the week before? Maybe it was the Consumerist.

gils0n

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: I'm not one to usually stick for Microsoft's OS division, but your dear Sony isn't too hot on security either.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Guizzy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Norellicus: Wrong. Give me an example of what your refering to.

homernoy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> We keep seeing them saying they are "working on" the DRM issues in regards to failing hardware screwing people over...when are we going to see results? Major Nelson has been saying for like a year and a half they are working on it. Sounds like bullshit to me, I bet we won't see anything until the next console is out.

KaneRobot

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @homernoy: If you think the UAC is the only problem that plagues Vista then you're the one with no exposure to the OS, friend.

Norellicus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @homernoy: Yes it was "rants". And no I don't have a "bee" up my *blip for telling how it is, and that it is a shame. And I don't wanna turn it off, just pointing out that the security is a joke compared to other OS's. They took cheapshots at the competition, when it is infact about something else, and nothing to do with being more secure and having appropriate content. But whatever, I don't hate them or anything.

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Toasticus: Yeah real shortages are terrible :(


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Explains RROD.



Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only:
"And sorry for the rant"

Don't you mean rant's? Sounds like you have a real bee up you bonnet when it comes to Microsoft. Xbox I don't know about, but the bashing on Vista is for people who are not very experienced with the OS, or don't know how to turn off UAC. It takes just two clicks of the mouse you know.


homernoy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Setzer IIDX: yeah ;) I'm Loïc

Epsicode

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Irenicus-the one and only: I doubt that the alleged shortages had much of an impact on sales, but right now Elite systems are sold out on Amazon. *shrug*

Toasticus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Also, those shortages are a lie too. No one can convince me that it is for real, sorry but give me a break lol

"it's called avatar" lol

Also DRM and "we are working on it" is not good enough of a response. They need to sort that out now, not later. Nice to hear that they will give points to those affected in the meantime, some of those horror stories we heard are terrible, that should atleast compensate those hurt by it.

And again with the security issue with harddrives, just "fez" up and admit it is about making money. It just sounds so stupid when he then says they take security as more important then their competetors, stupid.

Nice to hear that they will make educational games and stuff though.

Great interview btw. And sorry for the rant :P

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @KingBroly: *Tears place up with pitch fork*

AndrewG009

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Pretty cool Q&A. Minor suggestion: for future liveblogging posts, maybe you guys could set up some kind of system that makes it easier to differentiate between editorial comments you make and paraphrased comments made by others?

Toasticus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Epsicode: You're from the LG Crew?! Sheeyat son, nice to meetcha.

On another note, damn did they make little sniping comments at Sony or what? Rawr.

Setzer IIDX

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> "Maybe the don't care about security as much as we do?!" Biggest fucking lie ever! lol MS, seen your own OS lately? Or 360? What a joke, reason they don't want mods is because it makes games last longer and is free, they rely on DLC revenue and control. Look at windows gaming and so on, they want the modding community to die or pay license fees etc. "Harmfull content etc" is a bunch of BS okey.

MS will never allow this, don't delude yourself, and reasons are money, pure and simple. I guess there won't be a UT3 for the 360, unless Epic bends or get bought, which I bet will happen.

I hope someone makes a Postal 2 or manhunt 2 for XNA :P Just to take a piss, but also because I would want it :)

Irenicus-the one and only

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> 'Friends down south'

lol.

MykalBloom

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> cool Nice live blog Hair man. Hope to see more of these soon its cool that we get to interact with some of the big companies through you guys.

Deadeyereborn

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @xrayzwei: I think I was too late, darn.

xrayzwei

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> In the interim what we are doing is giving points to those folks who bought those games and can't download them, so they can redownload those titles. We realize it is unacceptable.

Bullshit, lol.

Norellicus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> lol, security of their wallets, that is.

durrem

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Brian Crecente: Little Gamers :)

Epsicode

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> If there was enough demand would they consider making "Live" free for everyone?

-EDGE-

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Oh, and a very personal message directly from me to Microsoft: I never asked you to protect me from obscene or offensive content. And I never will. Because I do not want you to. So STOP IT. You have parental controls - USE THEM. I am an adult and I love offensive and obscene content. Your choice to make such content completely unavailable when you can easily rate it M or AO is insulting and frustrating.

otakucode

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> [Quoth the MS Folks]
In the interim what we are doing is giving points to those folks who bought those games and can't download them, so they can redownload those titles. We realize it is unacceptable.
[End Quoth]

Are they sure on that? Recent problems folks have been having seem to directly contradict that statment. For example the problems that got posted on the Consumerist by one user:
[consumerist.com]

NateN

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Microsoft takes security a little too seriously IMO =/

P-Sheddy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> What about BC?
Is originals to replace that, or is the BC project for disc games dead?


xrayzwei

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> "When we see students from computer science or game students out there, it will be really cool if big companies can see your reputation before you leave."

That viewpoint really torques me off. If someone turns out a really popular and fun game, the idea that their reward wouldn't be becoming independently wealthy but instead just having a good shot at getting a job at a gaming company where they'll be chained to their work 100+ hours a week for meager pay is pretty damn depressing. I want independent creators to be rewarded HANDSOMELY for stuff they produce by themselves. I want it to be a legitimate way to actually make a living. If you produce really fun games, you deserve as much renumeration as big companies. I know that MS and other companies look at it like "Well, it's just one person, they don't NEED a big hunk of cash, they should go get a job and let middle managers take most of the profit away from them", but that's really disgusting. Reward the developers for good games and if the big publishers want to compete, they'll have to step up their game and do better than never-ending sequels and licensed crap.

otakucode

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> How does a self policing community like it sound Xna has been set up any different then what could/would be done for the UT community?

-EDGE-

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Brian Crecente:

Looks like his game is Little Gamers. Very nice, the Mrs. enjoyed playing through that one last night.

shipwreck

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Brian Crecente: They say they won't talk about the business model just yet.

Well I hope they announce something soon and not wait until the next convention. There are a lot of gamer's wives, husbands, boyfriends or girlfriends who'd like to continue getting they're HD fixes that are now eyeing the PS3.

vonfaustus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> I'm curious.. what do they think about Playstation Home?

P-Sheddy

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> NM, Curse my slow fingers and refreshing. Looks like that question raised a bit of ire from MS…LOL

-EDGE-

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Epsicode: Which is your game?

Brian Crecente

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> "Why can't the 360 create Unreal Tournament mods?

Satchell: I can't comment on what Sony is doing. How are they protecting gamers from obscene content, infringing content and harmful content. What stops mods from harming your system? XNA is very secure.

Maybe they don't care about security as much as we do."

lol sounds like MS is turning into Nintendo lol

GamingNinja

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Wow, at that response about the DRM issue. He might want to have a chat with the entire support team that stopped giving out points back in October and have sense switched over to the license transfer process. But if he wants to give me over $400 in MS points to replace all the content I currently have in limbo while the license transfer process is ongoing, I'm all for that.

shipwreck

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> would they say anything about when triggerheart excellica or ikaruga come out?

BusterSlash

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Have they resolved the user content in UT3 with Epic yet?

-EDGE-

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Say hi to the XNA team for me please <3
Many kuddos for putting my game on Live!

My question: is there a restriction of being a game company with a specific revenue, or really everyone up to EA can use the service?

Epsicode

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @shipwreck: Hmm, ok. My impression was that they were still trying to figure out how to address that situation.

the-hypnotoad

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @the-hypnotoad:

They are addressing those issues through Licensing Transfers, but I would like to know why it takes at least 30 business days to get that done.

shipwreck

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Brian Crecente: Ask them if the you will be able to make your game cost money only to certain people. Like maybe I want my game to be 800 points but I want to give it to my friends will I be able to do that?

Deadeyereborn

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> It surely can't be that hard to allow modding tools with restricted enough access to hardware/OS that they can't do any harm - they were able to do it for a game they published, Halo.

cdammers

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Ask about restoring DRM rights on content downloaded from machines that were replaced due to warranty service issues.

Once you get your machine back the only way you can access the content you paid for is to be logged in to Live with the profile you bought it with. Other local profiles (like your kids) can't see it and you can't use it if your network connection is down or you don't want to be logged in for some reason.

the-hypnotoad

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> About the achievement's thing; don't they have to approve the games first, to make sure there's no copyrighted content? Seems like they could easily monitor achievements as well. If anything, they should make XNA Achievements separate, but still monitor them.

Sean2-D2

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> They say they won't talk about the business model just yet.

Brian Crecente

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> When will we have a blu-ray player for the 360?

We are not talking about a blu-ray player. People are buying our system to play games.

*sigh*

I'm sorry. I didn't realize this guy had ever insight into my reasonings for purchasing a 360.

I seriously hate it when they say things like that.

vonfaustus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Bichatse: Yeah, december.

brello

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Deadeyereborn: The XNA Blog ( [blogs.msdn.com] ) suggests that developers will be able to choose between giving away their game or making money from it. To quote:
"Most of you are now probably asking, "Can I make money off of this?" Well, the answer is "Yes!". "
...
We will offer different revenue sharing models to let you sell (or give away) your game.

(There was a question on the forum asking whether this meant actual-money or microsoft points, which went totally unanswered...)

So, any Americans care to translate - does "holiday season" mean "December"? "July-August"? What?

Bichatse

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Ask if they've heard anything about an ETA for In-Game XMB.
Apparently Sony's not the one who's going to tell us anything about it...

StupidityTries

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> damn sony for letting us access "obscene" content for free.I bet if we pay microsoft then they could filter out all the bad stuff. MICROSOFT cares!
/sarcasm

aj2good4you2-i can haz follower?

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Ok Microsoft, how does Vista or XP potect me fromt he evil mods on UT3 and all the other shooters out here? Hmmm? But of course they should be worried about crashing 360s with mods because we all know how reliable these consoles are. In fact, maybe it was a legitite question. Maybe they ARE asking Sony how they do their thing.

FP_slomo788

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> UT3 mods? "I can't comment on what Sony is doing. How are they protecting gamers from obscene content, infringing content and harmful content. What stops mods from harming your system? XNA is very secure." Aww how nice. Microsoft just wants to protect us. (I'm a fucking adult, I can manage my computer I think I can handle mods)

greeble

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> oooh, that ut question got them heated

johnnylineup

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> lol, nice stab at Sony with the whole security bit

Norellicus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> oh dear, they went there. the unreal tournament question appears to bring in the angry, pitchfork-wielding mob.

xbulletholes

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> So...I guess what he's saying there...is no Unreal Tournament on 360 then? Given Epic's stance on mods of course.

KingBroly

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> @Deadeyereborn: I was curious about that too.

Atsumi

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> what* gah my spelling stinks

Deadeyereborn

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> "Maybe they (Sony) don't care about security as much as we do"

Nice way to make something positive Sony have done i.e. allow user generated content, sound like a bad thing without giving a reason why they aren't doing it.

Malidictus

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Wgat about really obscene stuff? will anything be off limits?

Deadeyereborn

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Aww no comment yet :( oh well I bet it will be sweet

Deadeyereborn

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> So... watcha having for breakfast?

goldwings

]]> <![CDATA[Liveblogging the Msoft Blogger Breakfast]]> Ask them if the games will cost money or be free and if they do cost money will any of it get back to the guy who made it. This is for user made games of course.

Deadeyereborn

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