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Visual Walkthrough of Xbox 360's XNA Interface

sanjiyan — Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:29:31 MST

TOS is probably not referring to the content of the game, but to the license agreement that developers agree to by developing XNA based games for the Xbox 360 platform.

I've worked with XNA a bit (meaning some tutorials) and while I'm not informed on the XNA Xbox 360 restrictions, my guess is that are stricter than those for Windows XNA developers (e.g. you are apparently not allowed to create games that connect to a server...damn, no online multiplayer, no free MMORPG development, figures...)

sanjiyan

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Guizzy — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:35:15 MST

@fresh1: They are going to release them. Dishwasher is not Rated M, it's Unrated.

It's been explained here:
[forums.xna.com]

Since the games are all unrated, anyone with Parental Controls won't play them (Unrated being the highest "rating").

It's also explained that as long as you don't break the Xbox Live TOS with your game, and you don't misrepresent it (ie: you warn in the game description that it contains blood/violence/suggestive themes), it's all good.

Guizzy

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nox — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:10:50 MST

Isn't the Penny-Arcade game being made in XNA studio?

nox

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fresh1 — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:27:56 MST

@Ricey012: they are a 17 day trial, basically you have a timed demo, im not sure if you played any of the games yet but i played the Dishwasher and there are a few features greyed out because its only a trial, there definitely going to charge for these games at some point , if they even are going to be released cause i have to agree with Otakucode on the Dishwasher being Rated M. hopefully it will be released cause its actually a fun game but who knows.

fresh1

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Ricey012 — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:17:46 MST

@crashlanding: Then why did I just download all 7 for free?

Ricey012

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cheeses — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:15:46 MST

Yeah, stop dragging LBP into this discussion and instead focus your attention on mastering JellyCar or Little Gamers. One's squishy!

cheeses

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ohhello — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:09:52 MST

sweet i can finally play and immediately get bored of free flashgames, just like so many years ago.

ohhello

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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under) — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:50:13 MST

@KindaGamey: Done! $10 is fine :)

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under) — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:44:53 MST

@DevonTheDude: This and Crayon Physics are similar and both can be done using XNA libraries :)

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

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otakucode — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:09:59 MST

@Stoatboy: Thanks a ton for the informative link. I'm still left wondering though... the forum posting says that other Creator's Club members review the game for content being obedient to the services TOS... what is that TOS? Do these XNA games have to be equivalent to E-rated games? I don't believe (though I could be wrong) that I've ever seen a rating on XBLA games or anything.

If Microsoft is actually being truthful about the games only being vetted by other Creator's Club members, I suppose we'll still end up with extremely bland games (no blood, no nudity, no ideas that make you think), but we might end up with games better than existing commercial offerings and if there is a revival of, say, side-scrolling shooters, Microsoft won't make sure that only one gets through to "protect the diversity of their portfolio" like they have with the XBLA.

My big question remaining is... if they allow small teams or individuals to actually make significant money off of these games, how is PopCap and the other guys that spent 10x as much to get onto the service, had to be vetted through the Portfolio Management Comittee, etc going to react?

@whiptcracker: I think there is approximately ZERO chance that The Dishwasher would ever see the light of day. That game would be rated M (because red pixels harm children) and I don't believe that is acceptable. Maybe if the blood was removed, and there wasn't so much combat... and really the music is kind of loud... if they could make it, say, a cell-shaded platformer with elevator music then it might pass muster.

otakucode

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Puff — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:04:10 MST

nice curtains

Puff

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whiptcracker — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:17:14 MST

The Dishwasher is all sorts of awesome.

whiptcracker

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Tei — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:43:11 MST

How is posible to found comments about "Little Big Planet" in a thread about a XNA games portal?.

Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! PS3 is superior.
Yea, Litte Big Planet has a level editor. I can build one for you with XNA, If that make you happy. I must acquit!

Tei

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splines — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:58:25 MST

I love that all the Sony fanboys can't tell the difference between a programming framework and a game that lets you customise levels. And then use this lack of comprehension as some sort of tool to show how awesome their console of choice is.

You guys are either stupid or pathetic. I'm not sure which it is, but those are your only choices. Either way I'd like to see you gone.

splines

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KaneRobot — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:50:57 MST

I do agree we need to clean out a few of the "HURR HURR LBP RIPOFF/WHY DOES M$ CHARGE FOR EVERYTHING" 'tards. If you're going to hurl insults, at least do your fucking research on what you're ripping into.

KaneRobot

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KaneRobot — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:48:32 MST

@pupaboy2: Winning one month when MS has hardware shortage is "kicking butt." Sure. Go back to dealing out massive damage.

Still, this does nothing for me. I don't care about Flash games on steroids, and I'm not a game developer. They should have put this much effort into figuring out a way to adjust their retarded DRM so it's not an almost criminal disservice to their customers.

KaneRobot

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Foxstar Sixtail — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:47:40 MST

@pupaboy2: Be gone, fool.

Foxstar Sixtail

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pupaboy2 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:35:10 MST

Looks like Microsoft laid another egg with the XNA thing. It is no wonder that the Sony PS3 is kicking the 360's butt...

pupaboy2

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:25:54 MST

@tsathoggua:
here [www.garagegames.com]

Garo

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tsathoggua — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:14:43 MST

I had trouble making any sense out of the Little Big Planet references in these comments, until I remembered not everyone on Kotaku is a programmer. Little Big Planet is a game. XNA is a development platform, that developers code in. Yeesh. For any interested parties, GarageGames is offering a free download of their XNA Game Engine (probably pretty similar to their Torque 2D engine, although I can't say from experience) here.

tsathoggua

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:09:57 MST

@Garo:
[www.gametunnel.com]

Garo

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:08:34 MST

@Guizzy:
[www.indiegames.com]

Garo

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Foxstar Sixtail — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:51:55 MST

@Tubatic: This blows LBP out of the freaking water, but you wouldn't understand that, because well you don't understand what this really is.

My god, is Witzbold and Ashcraft waiting till Monday? This thread could use some cleaning.

Foxstar Sixtail

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icerink — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:28:46 MST

I suppose Microsoft making good on its promises is now big news.

icerink

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Tubatic — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:18:13 MST

This isn't copy and paste game development,right? Like it'll still take some programming chops to make something, won't it? Definitely doesn't compare to LBP, imo.

Tubatic

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Mii — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:09:02 MST

wow, this is great. this just puts xna one step closer to actually becoming a youtube (or newgrounds) for games like they claimed. this doesn't have anything to do with LBP.

Mii

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Stoatboy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:07:49 MST

@Otakucode: Check the link I posted above. The plan seems to be for both free and paid-for games.

Stoatboy

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Stoatboy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:01:22 MST

Here's a link to the XNA creator's club faq that explains the game submission process to some extent. Peer reviews only, by other creator's club members apparently.

[forums.xna.com]

@Athest: Creator's club is free for a lot of students, costs if you want to share on the 360, but is totally free for PC development.

Stoatboy

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otakucode — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:00:03 MST

@Athest: Don't expect much on the PC-side. If Microsoft were to put together a nice easy portal where you could register and buy games developed by people or small teams with digital delivery, they would be crucified by retailers. Microsoft products would disappear from shelves and they would cave and shut it down. Expect, at the most, a place where they feature some of the better demos of PC stuff but leave the developers to have to deal with charging for the stuff themselves which will work as well as totally indie production does now - hardly at all.

otakucode

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crashlanding — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:59:30 MST

I get the general impression that there are lots of folks in these comments that believe that these games will be free to play. Nope.

I even wonder if the developer will be allowed to give away a game for free, set the price at 0. I doubt it but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

XNA is a neat idea, but the full games will NOT be free.

crashlanding

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Flurp — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:59:03 MST

OMG, i was atleast expecting XNA to be a free download, but i suppose it is M$ i was expecting too much too soon. why does M$ love money so much?

Flurp

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otakucode — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:51:25 MST

@Code_Monkey: Peopel won't be allowed to charge for their games. If they EVER can, they will only be allowed to keep a very tiny little portion of the money, maybe 10% or something. And the games will all go through beureaucratic crap to make sure they're not "offensive" (read: interesting) or "harmful" (read: out-competes big company BS). Everything they say about the community determining the content - Microsoft will have to prove that, but it will be entirely out of character for them if they do so, and bigger publishers will complain loudly because it will do harm to their market.

To the people expecting a flood of crappy games: Feel free to stay off the service. This is the only hope gamers like me have to play decent games again like turn-based 2D RPGs and the other genres that the big publishers have decided to abort.

otakucode

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EgoAnt — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:48:12 MST

As some people have mentioned, Little Big Planet is really nothing more than a level builder (but awesome, don't get me wrong, it looks really sweet). As an indie developer this is really exciting - you can make anything you want for a fraction of the cost of a lot of development platforms.

In addition, if you want to try something even simpler, you can use TorqueX, which lets you piece together a game for the XNA platform with very little to no programming.

Now, as far as the toolset is concerned, if you want to program your game in XNA using Visual Studio, you can use Visual C# Express edition, which is free.

I have to say that I feel that this is a step in the right direction for Microsoft, especially considering the popularity of flash portal sites right now.

EgoAnt

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Athest — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:42:09 MST

Doesn't the creators club require money to actually be able to share anything? Also, what about PC titles, i'm not a big console person myself, so the PC would proly be my main platform.

Athest

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Guizzy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:40:52 MST

@willyolio: Except with the potential for much bigger, ambitious 3D games of retail quality.

And for developers to get paid.

Guizzy

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otakucode — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:40:07 MST

It's just SO FUNNY that I didn't see the place where you can PAY for these games.

Not to brag, but I entirely called it. Microsoft is ensuring that they do not create an envrionment in which viral gaming has a chance to make small or single-person creative teams any money.

You guys left out the other end of the equation though - I saw how to PLAY those XNA games, but how do I submit one? Just how many layers of beureaucratic bullshit does a game have to survive having its corners rounded and any dangerous ideas cored out before it can be served up as bland as drywall paste?

otakucode

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willyolio — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:38:46 MST

so, from what i can tell, this is essentially newgrounds.com on xbox live.

willyolio

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Guizzy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:31:51 MST

@jsf49: There's a greater pool of potential customers, but getting their attention on the PC is hard. There isn't one central site where all indie PC games are listed. Many of the best indie games get little to no recognition on the PC.

What Microsoft is trying to do with XNA is make it so the community vote on games in order to have them featured.

Guizzy

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Soralinkyuna — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:26:20 MST

Man, this is awesome! I just downloaded The Dishwasher and Little Gamers with the XNA launcher and both were amazing to play. Didn't like Culture or Jelly Car though...

Soralinkyuna

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rawg — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:25:12 MST

Definitely a good move by MS. User generated content is going to be a growth area for console gaming and a good way to win over PC gamers who are used to user mods.

rawg

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Billkwando — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:19:47 MST

Wake me up when XNA has Rose & Cammelia.

For the record, you can play browser games on the wii.....so it's a little like XNA. ;)

Billkwando

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doobiwan — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:15:31 MST

ROFL @ SONY fanboys.

LBP is just a fold your own 2D platformer. XNA isn't for everyone, but for a programmer, you're limited only by your imagination. And don't think because it's 'free' the games will suck, hey, N+ is awesome but it could work on a NES. And as a point of order XNA and Community marketplace were announced years ago.

This is a great day for hobbyist developers.

doobiwan

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thoruen — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:15:18 MST

I'm thinking that there has to be a way to make a game for the Zune/Xbox live that can use your library of music as part of the game play. No more buying songs for GHIII.

thoruen

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FoxHoundADAM — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:14:09 MST

This is pretty cool really. This is what I thought we'd see with XNA, just took 6 months longer than I thought.

FoxHoundADAM

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jsf49 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:11:35 MST

How am I embarassing myself? I have basically said that XNA will not move Xboxes. As it has been said by others, XNA is readily available on PC. Any XNA game on the Xbox will start off on the PC. I stand by my conclusion.

jsf49

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:10:36 MST

@phantam:

LOL I have a Torque Game Builder indie license and if you think Joe Shmoe could make a game with it you're wrong. Joe Shmoe would use the YoYoGames Game Builder.

Anyways XNA is still too restricted for an indie...
Like I said before I really appreciate what Microsoft has started but we're still far away from a "Game-tube"

Garo

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Malevolentburrito — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:08:06 MST

Try the dishwasher dead samurai demo its pretty damn awesome and fun.

Malevolentburrito

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Guizzy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:07:08 MST

@jsf49: XNA is also for the PC.

The concept is that the framework makes it trivial for a PC game made with XNA to work on the Xbox 360 and vice-versa.

Please, read up on XNA before commenting any further; you're embarrassing yourself.

Guizzy

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PreachingLlama — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:06:57 MST

@jsf49: In what way is it easier to make something on a PC than with XNA? Without XNA, you'd have to use C/C++ which means you need to worry about memory management. XNA also includes an integrated content pipeline for loading assets (models, etc).

Besides, you can write XNA game for a PC... how do you think you test the games you are writing?

PreachingLlama

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NateN — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:02:38 MST

@DelSource: RE Fanbo(y|i) definition: For most folks I think it isn't "Someone with whom I disagree", it's "Someone who goes out of their way to promote their platform/insult the other platform" or "General Troll".

I do think the fanboism around here has gotten a bit thick as of late however, I'm glad the Ban Hammer is coming out again shortly. It's one thing to go and make a point, it's another to be a royal jerk about it.

(Please don't take that to mean that I'm saying you're a royal jerk. I'm not!)

NateN

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:01:28 MST

@tei: they've said that the community chooses which games will get featured, and which will get dropped via "reports"

@Garo: if you want for the general joe shmoe to make a game, he can always grab TorqueX and Torque Builder from garage games, they're for XNA and basically turn the system into a drag and drop affair on top of their custom engine.

phantam

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jsf49 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:58:34 MST

See, already the PC has become the lead platform.

jsf49

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:58:27 MST

@jsf49: or both...

@Code_Monkey: they seem to be ignorning that... the creators club is for developers which gives them access to downloads for developers like premade templates, tutorials, and other stuff...

after this GDC XNA games will be downloadable over XBL for FREE by anyone on XBL... simple as that... i dont get why the others arent getting it

phantam

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Irenicus-the one and only — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:58:03 MST

Time based sounds stupid. But it seems to be a great feature especiall for XNA people. Now people can play XNA games on the box :)

Irenicus-the one and only

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:57:17 MST

@phantam:

XNA isn't crap... it's just mainstream unfriendly :/
When XNA was first announced I was pretty exited... I downloaded it tried it and came to the conclusion that it isn't the "Game-tube" everybody was exited about.

Quote:
"The results were incredible - we had over 200 games from all over the world." The top 100 were great, the top 50 were excellent, the top 20 amazing. They had to pick one to get the contract for Xbox Live Arcade. "In the end we did what any great management team would do - we completely wussed out and gave four (contracts) away instead."

Wow 50 were excellent and they gave only four a contract?

Garo

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Tei — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:56:49 MST

The next keys here:
1) How easy will be to get aprobation for you games. Microsoft can be a jerk here, and reject most games, and only allow some big people.
2) This will be free use and free games for everybody? (with a option to pay, If you wish). Microsoft as a bad record here.
3) Do XNA+Microsoft is really a good framework to make games? Indies can make good games, but maybe no under a depresing Microsoft shadow.

Is all on Microsoft hands to able this be really cool. And these people that call this shovelware. I bet will browse entire weekends on the list, testing and playing different games. Or commenting these games on forums.

Tei

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Code_Monkey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:56:05 MST

@Rathus: For like the fourth time, YOU DON'T NEED TO PAY MONEY TO PLAY XNA GAMES!

Later on when the publishing pipleline is finished creators can choose to give away or charge for their games, but for now these 7 games are FREE.

You only have to pay money if you want to develop for Xbox360 or Zune, you can develop for PC for free.

Code_Monkey

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jsf49 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:56:01 MST

@Guizzy: Again, it's still easier to build something like that for the PC than any XNA...and much easier to profit from it on the PC too. Not only is the download, shopping cart, payment processing and all that readily available on the PC, the potential audience is massive. You can combine all the video game consoles in the world together and they'd still be a fraction of the PC user base. Nintendo Wii's Blue Ocean is nothing compared to the number of casual game players on the PC. XNA will be a nice novelty for existing 360 owners or people looking to get a 360 anyway. It's not going to be the reason people buy a 360. Also, with the Zune support for XNA, I wouldn't be at all surprised if XNA was integrated with the PC instead of forcing Zune owners to buy a 360 (which would only result in a flop for the intiative, if they did try to force that).

jsf49

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:55:50 MST

@Rathus: no the new version is free to share and play games its for everyone on xbox live

phantam

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DelSource — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:54:02 MST

@phantam:
You don't get out much, do you? Try to: it's healthy.

I'm outta here. Got Patapon today and keep putting it down then picking it back up (naughty game seller, posting early).

DelSource

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Code_Monkey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:53:03 MST

@Garo: Thanks, my browser window was too small and I didn't see the buttons.

People seem to be confused about LBP vs. XNA. IMO LBP is like a lego set, you can make all kinds of cool stuff, but it stuff made out of legos; while XNA is more like a bunch of tools that you can use to make almost anything you want.

Both are very cool, but you can't compare them.

Code_Monkey

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Rathus — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:52:47 MST

Just to clear up some of the random comments around here... XNA is for creating games for Xbox360 and PC. XNA itself is free, including a stripped down copy of visual studio. This means you can develop and test games you want on PC all you want, at no charge.

Playing the games on your Xbox360 however needs a Creators Club Membership for $49 (4 mo.) or $99 (1 yr.). Presumably this service will also require said membership.

As mentioned above, there appears to be a Student program to get more then just XNA itself free, but I'm not clear on those details.

Rathus

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davekilljoy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:52:30 MST

All people comparing this to LBA are...sorry to say it ...complete morons. That's like comparing a Flash drawing game to Photoshop...Come on.

XNA is an incredible new tool and I am really excited to finally see what a true indy dev can do with a full toolset and a powerful console. This is an incredible chance for the budding developer who cant break into the industry due to lack of experience. Kudos M$...well done.

davekilljoy

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MugiMugi — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:52:25 MST

@Code_Monkey: Ah, I see why, There is a new app to grab now ^^, thought it was just reffered to the old one who already existed since ages ago.

MugiMugi

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:51:44 MST

@DelSource: it didnt but if you come on a xbox post bitching that Feature B isn't as good as the PS3's game that has no relation is being an idiot fanboy.

phantam

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DelSource — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:49:48 MST

@phantam:

Must. Develop. Sense. Of. Humour.

DelSource

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:49:19 MST

@Code_Monkey:
For direct reply use the reply button (left of the + and !)

I remember the car demo as one of the first demos that Chris used to show the power of XNA.

Garo

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DelSource — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:48:53 MST

@phantam:

Then say that rather than "Can LBP do this?". Otherwise you are just playing the same game as those "fanboys".

By the way - and this is not targeted at any one individual - since when did the definition of "Fanboy" change to "Someone with whom I disagree"?

DelSource

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:48:29 MST

@DelSource: and why get a wii for novelty when you can get a 360 with novelty and games like gears and gtaiv :P you went their

phantam

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:47:00 MST

@DelSource: mmm last i checked novelty games on the wii arent free.... user created games on XNA are.

phantam

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:46:29 MST

@Guizzy: more cheap games and more free games :) hell the DBP contest had 200 games submitted to it alone within 2 months... and quite a few were notablly cool, alot were qwirky but several were damn good.

phantam

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DelSource — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:46:10 MST

Sorry, but if I wanted to play mini games the novelty value of which lasts a matter of minutes I'd buy a Wii.

Yeah, I went there.

;o)

DelSource

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Justcrim — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:45:18 MST

I have to say, JellyCar is on my to buy list as soon as it comes out. It has so much puzzle potential! Cant wait to play the Dishwasher tonight!

Justcrim

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:45:14 MST

@DelSource: the post had nothing to do with it, the idiot ps3 fanboys on here saying LBP was better than XNA made it about it because they didnt know what the hell they were talking about, just because microsoft demo'd a paper racing game they thought the xna graphics were inherintly bad

phantam

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Code_Monkey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:43:52 MST

Mugimugi:
Swedish accounts should be supported, can you delete the XNA Game Launcher that you have and redownload it from marketplace?
If it's working properly you should be able to goto the My Games screen on your dashboard, select the XNA Creators Club tab, then press Y to bring up a list of the creators club games.

Code_Monkey

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Guizzy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:43:47 MST

@Garo: XNA is not a tool for the end-user; it's not like LBP.

LBP is akin to Halo 3's Forge.

XNA has much bigger potential and scope to it. An indie DEVELOPER (NOT Joe Dude with no programming knowledge) can program fully-featured games of retail quality, then distribute them for the 360 on the marketplace.

What this means for the 360 user is that there will soon be a massive amount of smaller, cheaper games on the Marketplace, ranging from flash-game like to fully-featured shooters, racing, strategy, adventure, RPG games...

Guizzy

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L_K_M — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:43:10 MST

Hah, the Little Gamers game is also pretty sweet. It starts out lame, but it gets better quickly. I love the part where you get stoned from drinking a beer :-)

L_K_M

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:43:00 MST

@Garo: their templates to get you started the source is available for any XNA developer to dl and build off of... not to mention their are entire engines for XNA you can buy for a few hundred... if you really wanna go all out.

phantam

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:41:50 MST

@Garo: i know what LBP is ... but people keep saying XNA is crap cause its not pretty like LBP because they dont understand what it is... i was pointing out what XNA is capable of and why compairing the 2 is idiotic... sorry i forgot a [sarcasm] tag

phantam

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DelSource — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:41:42 MST

@phantam:

WTF? And this has what to do with LBP?

But the *PS3* can do this:

[blog.us.playstation.com]

DelSource

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AlreadyDead — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:41:36 MST

This is truly awesome news! I have been waiting for this to really take XNA seriously. As well as SCHMUPS, I can imagine the 2d RPG community really digging into this as well as board game designers. Look at how many people now love Carcasonne after it appeared on XBLA. GG Microsoft!

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MugiMugi — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:39:59 MST

@Code_Monkey: Eu marketplace or Sweden to be exactly. So I guess this is just for US only then ? :(

MugiMugi

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Code_Monkey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:39:48 MST

@GARO:
All these games where made by our community, MS worked with them to make sure they where high quality and met certain standards.
Also, how do you do the reply to someone else's comment thing?

Code_Monkey

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Old-school Sonic fanboy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:39:07 MST

More shovelware then even the Wii can handle.

Old-school Sonic fanboy

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:37:10 MST

@phantam:

This are games made by users?
Or are this the demogames used to make people believe that they would be able to create something like this without any effort?

Garo

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Code_Monkey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:35:42 MST

Mugimugi:
WHat region is your LIVE account?

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:35:41 MST

@phantam:

I think you don't understand what LBP is my friend.

Garo

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Jericho114 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:35:30 MST

Not even a giant pink curtain can hold a suprise anymore. I must say alot of people called it, at least here on Kotaku

Jericho114

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KindaGamey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:35:18 MST

How much would it cost to pay someone to learn C# for me?

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:34:51 MST

or RPG: [arenawars.net] or XNA Top Down Shooter: [arenawars.net]

phantam

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Tuxy79 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:34:08 MST

Pretty cool, certainly not "SUPER SPECIAL MEGA" news, but I'll give it the casual glance.

Tuxy79

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MugiMugi — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:34:07 MST

@Code_Monkey: This sadly does not work for me... I had XNA Craator club tab for ages as I use it but, no marketplace for me.

MugiMugi

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:33:06 MST

let's see LBP do this : [arenawars.net]

phantam

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PreachingLlama — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:31:55 MST

It appears this needs clearing up.

LittleBigPlanet is a game that supports user generated content, but that content is limited to what the game allows. (Don't get me wrong here - I think LBP looks great)

XNA is a programming framework and development environment for developing games. If you are not a programmer you will need to learn that before you can make something with XNA.

XNA Game Studio has actually been around (for free) for several years. The big announcement at GDC is that they allowing authors to make their games available to EVERYONE (not just other developers) via Xbox Live.

As someone who tinkers with XNA, I am very excited about what this will do for the community. For example, we could see open source projects coming out that are playable on Live. Very cool stuff.

PreachingLlama

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greyhoundbus — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:30:59 MST

Almost called it. The only detail I got wrong was the Blu-Ray part =D

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:30:38 MST

@Dakobah: thats how it used to be... the new free version isnt out... the creators club is for the developers not for the players

the XNA games will be free for anyone to download but i doubt thats out yet

phantam

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:29:24 MST

@DevonTheDude: who the hell that plays on the PS3 says XMB except uber ps3 fans that dont wouldn't mistaken the 2 in the first place.

@Scrapple: they arent shareware and the devs do this for free... hence user created comment, their mostly done for hobby or for contests or by students in school learning programming.

phantam

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superbabyproject — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:29:06 MST

Do you still need to cough up the fee to join the creators' club?

superbabyproject

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NateN — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:28:19 MST

Comparing Little Big Planet to XNA is like comparing a Paint by Numbers kit to an Artist's Canvas. Both a Paint by Numbers kit and an Artist's Canvas let you paint pictures, but one is a lot freaking harder.

LBP - Has a (damn cool looking) set of tools that lets you build levels and characters within their framework.
XNA - Is a programming framework.

Both have their place, but folks going "LOL, LBP looks better!" aren't really comparing apples to oranges. Someone who is making an XNA game is basically starting from scratch compared to LBP.

Note: I'm still looking forward to LBP. ;-)

NateN

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Code_Monkey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:27:28 MST

Major Nelson is supposed to post a video showing people how to download the games(that are FREE for everyone), it should be up soon.

Code_Monkey

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:27:18 MST

@phantam:
If I would be a really serious indie game designer I wouldn't play with XNA (points at Aquaria)

Garo

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egyptomix — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:26:36 MST

@Dakobah: I think you need to be a member to develop 360 games.

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DelSource — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:25:33 MST

@phantam:

Try the link directly above you. Sony demonstrated cool "democratising" game-making tools a while ago too.

DelSource

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cheeba — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:24:24 MST

@cheeba: And as of today: if you're a student, it's all free, inclduing the Creator's Club membership: [www.eurogamer.net]

In the UK, Germany, France, Spain, Sweden, Belgium, Finland, Switzerland, Canada and the US at least.

cheeba

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Dakobah — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:22:48 MST

anybody figure this out yet? i downloaded the XNA express and i need to be a member to play em. i gues this is a member's only thing?

Dakobah

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phantam — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:22:29 MST

little big planet give me a break... XNA (youtube of games) has been in the works for a very long time, microsoft announced it was planning before LBP was even shown... as for the jelly car that game looks fun actually

XNA software is free... and you can program using the visual c# express editions that are also free... so no LBP is not better in that aspect either

also LBP is set to BOARD CREATION...

XNA is everything creation, you can create anything from zuma to the next gears of war technically....

if your a really serious XNA developer you can even buy XNA engines to make really professional quality games.

phantam

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DevonTheDude — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:22:06 MST

@Delsource

That tech demo was pretty cool, I'd pay for it.
Here's a link to it.
[blog.us.playstation.com]

DevonTheDude

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Code_Monkey — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:21:28 MST

Just to clear up confusion that people have:
1. These game have a time limit, they'll time out and stop working after 30 days, but your play session isn't time limited, you can play JellyCar or whatever as long as you like.
2. These games are available for ANYONE that has an xbox LIVE account.
3. To download these games, first go into marketplace and and download 'XNA Game Launcher' from Marketplace, then the XNA Creators Club tab will show up on your My Games tab, goto that tab and press Y, that'll bring you to a creators club marketplace page where you can download the games.

Code_Monkey

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GOD — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:20:49 MST

this has very limited appeal to the core gamers, but we are talking about the GDC, so it's cool for the occasion. I can't see this picking up too much momentum. Kind of like the linux discs for the PS2 that let you do a similar kind of thing. The only advantage is the ability to share it with otherer, but to be honest I would rather have good games handed to me on a plate than having to shift through mounds of crap before I find a gem of a game.

Excellent news for budding developers!

Meh... for the rest of us.

GOD

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notquiteallhere — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:20:46 MST

Ah, so that's where the Little Gamers game was going to be hiding...

notquiteallhere

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cheeba — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:20:12 MST

@optimusprime: Actually, the XNA tools have always been free.

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Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:19:30 MST

Waiting for SDK for iPhone and more home made games for the PS3. And wii Ware. I'll see what XNA has to offer later.

Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy

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EDGE — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:18:57 MST

Anything that helps people get their art out there is great IMO. I know we may have to wade through a pool of shit to find one gem, but one gem is better then none.

As someone who has always created for the PC community be it Mods or Skins. I look forward to all the "Big 3" so to speak of doing more with the community such as this.

EDGE

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teeps1981 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:18:42 MST

@optimusprime:

Oh...and XNA allows developers to develop ny sort of game they want and LBP is a glorified level editor.

So thats Two differences already....any more and we are DEFINATELY going to have to give up on comparing the two.

teeps1981

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DynamoMatt — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:18:20 MST

@Alex:

Nope, this has been announced since XNA was first launched. Microsoft have always said this was in the pipeline.

DynamoMatt

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DelSource — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:17:19 MST

I'd rather wait for the tools to use the Playstation Eye to create these sorts of mini games from one's own drawings and objects,as was demonstrated last year. That's last year.

DelSource

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Scrapple — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:17:02 MST

they probably have a time limit because in reality they are shareware, and in reality, these devs want to get paid for their time, so I am sure in the future their will be a buy button underneath it, so you can fork over 200 points for a game.

Scrapple

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Garo — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:17:01 MST

@optimusprime:
XNA Express itself is free... the Creators Club isn't

Garo

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BloodStainedVendetta — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:16:40 MST

@optimusprime: The XNA Development Kit is $99/year, which is cheap if you're looking to be recognized by someone in the industry.

BloodStainedVendetta

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DevonTheDude — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:16:23 MST

I don't see what the big deal is, is the XNA about indie games or is it a new xbox live interface (like what Sony is trying to do with Home)? I personally think that XNA is too similar of an acronym to XMB and may confuse consumers (i.e. average Americans).

DevonTheDude

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KenzinFive — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:15:04 MST

This all sounds incredibly interesting and forward-thinking on Microsoft's part. Who's to say we won't see the next Cave Story or Desktop Tower Defense come out of this? I'm liking it A LOT.

KenzinFive

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teeps1981 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:14:43 MST

How may i ask can people compare the xna to what is essentialy a platform game level editor in LittleBigPlanet?

From what i understand from the keynote the XNA section will act as a taster section for new developers to put demos of thier games online for consumers to try. The consumers the provide feedback and rate the game and developer in the time period the game is available.

teeps1981

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optimusprime — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:14:00 MST

One difference between LBP and XNA games, is that user-created content for LBP is free, whereas I am assuming that to create an XNA game, you need to buy the XNA software (which if it is anything like Visual Studio, it's not cheap).

optimusprime

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Laughin_Caulk — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:13:28 MST

Though I like the Idea, I don't like how they keep leaving out the fact that you'll have to charge for other people to play your games, thus the time limits on the demos (I'd love it if they announce if you can make free games). Also this was announced before LittleBigPlanet years ago so basically LBP was Sony's answer to XNA :D

Laughin_Caulk

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Mr.Waffleton — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:13:01 MST

I think this will be glorious for us Shmup fans. I see a ton of new Shmups hitting the market Bring tem on. (and to the guy who says he made one, tell us what it is, I'll be all over it.

Mr.Waffleton

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BloodStainedVendetta — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:12:49 MST

@Deezenuts: You're not understanding. It's possible to make smaller and larger games. A service like this has to start somewhere and be built from the ground up. THis is a game that is truly supporting the 16 year old indie developer working on his own to showcase his talent, but it also supports the upstart developer teams that have been around and not been able to get their feet off the ground because of the rising cost of developing games and distributing them. THis is a true step in the right direction, while LBP is basically an advanced level creator.

BloodStainedVendetta

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Playstation — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:12:10 MST

@lifeinthefridge: hmm mircosoft.. hmm original ideas.. hmmm donut..

Playstation

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NoBullet — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:11:38 MST

@Alex: Yes, because MS just popped this out right when they saw LBP. They didnt plan this out at all. No sir.

NoBullet

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L_K_M — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:10:59 MST

When is this coming?

L_K_M

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DARTH_TIGRIS — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:10:50 MST

@Alex:

I think that's a bit of a narrow way to view this. Its more of a realization of what was intended when XNA was first announced years ago. LBP is just one game with level creation/distribution. This is more of a platform for games to be created and distributed by amateurs.

This is potentially one of the best things the industry has ever seen, and at a very important time. Garage studios are dying, smaller devs are being absorbed by mega-publishers and the industry is a little shaky for the next generation of devs. This is something that could ultimately help the industry as a whole, including Sony and Nintendo because these amateur devs could go on to make innovative titles whereever, not just for MS.

I hope to see positive comments from Sony and Nintendo about this initiative and hope their fans can see this too.

DARTH_TIGRIS

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GPman — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:10:22 MST

My concern will be how to sort through the garbage. There is bound to be a FLOOD of lame games coming out now. Sounds like it will be a mess of junk trying to cash in quick and a few good needles in a haystack.

GPman

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Phenom88 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:10:01 MST

Looks lame! I'd rather mess with forge on Halo 3.

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JerrD74: ..drawing a blank — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:09:47 MST

@Dakobah: ha, very true.

JerrD74: ..drawing a blank

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DugDawg — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:08:44 MST

I think it's a good step forward. There are probably many gamers who wouldn't mind dabbling in the art of creating video games, and who knows, this might be an avenue for some people to break through into the professional market.

DugDawg

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Doomstalk — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:08:01 MST

@Alex: Uh, what? Little Big planet is a game where you can create custom levels and objects. This is a program where you can make your own game from the ground up.

Doomstalk

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Guizzy — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:07:32 MST

@ShareYourTreats: These demos do, but there's potential for far, far, far more than either flash demos, or LBP here.

[video.google.ca]
[video.google.ca]
[video.google.ca]

And these are merely small tech demos.

Guizzy

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Dakobah — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:07:15 MST

@JerrD74: hopes his license issues get fixed soon:

ehh just download it again like we do with trial demo's on the computer :P

Dakobah

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JerrD74: ..drawing a blank — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:06:51 MST

@JerrD74: hopes his license issues get fixed soon: Don't ge me wrong though, I love -LOVE- this idea. But making them deactivate after however many days isn't cool.

@egyptomix: Exactly, good thing is started freshening up on Visual way back when they first announced/started XNA. Still hard at work on my games though lol.

JerrD74: ..drawing a blank

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BigWeather — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:06:33 MST

Hmmm, that's nothing different than what any Creator's Club member has now.

I guess it shows how the games that you do download are integrated with the "My Games" tab (something that happens with games you deploy with the XNA 2.0 drop in December already).

But it doesn't show the interface for people to browse through available games and choose the ones you want to try, etc. -- and I'm pretty sure they won't just be thrown into the professional XBLA pool.

I'm assuming non-CC members won't have the XNA Creators Club tab nor XNA Game Studio Connect.

So was the point just to show "hey here are some XNA-created games available via XBLA" or to show the future community stuff?

BigWeather

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Tob3z — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:06:32 MST

@NotAZombie: We will. That's why there is a time limit on how long you own the game for. Once that's up it gets released if its good enough and we have to part our cash. Gamers can bitch all they want about how the time thing sucks but indie devs should be loving this. Free tools to make a game and a youtube like system to show them off for free.

Tob3z

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Deezenuts — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:06:13 MST

These look like those mini games the eye toy can make. remeber those eye toy demos that was showed like a couple months ago? little big planet owns this crap lol.

Deezenuts

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Way — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:06:08 MST

@NotAZombie: From Joystiq:
" "For the first time, community games will be distributed through Xbox Live," [Chris] Satchell said. "'Xbox Live Community Games will give creators a huge audience to share their creativity with. Game distribution will be democratized, allowing the community to control the content. Create, Submit, Peer Review, Play are the four key steps ... We want creativity to flow through this pipeline. "

Way

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yashichi8bit — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:05:51 MST

Well, its about time they promoted XNA.

I cant wait to see the great, inovative titles this helps to produce.

yashichi8bit

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TinyLightning — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:05:25 MST

I for one amd pleased. Another step of indie game development.

TinyLightning

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BloodStainedVendetta — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:05:17 MST

Wow! I thought I was impressed with LittleBigPlanet, but this is an even bigger step with user-created content! =O Microsoft, color me VERY impressed.

BloodStainedVendetta

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AppleTamer — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:05:11 MST

Well, time to start converting all my crappy flash games into forgettable XNA games.

LET THE COMMUNITY SHOVELWARE COMMENCE!

AppleTamer

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MugiMugi — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:53 MST

Best news ever ^^ been waiting for this quite a while ^^ now to get my game out there >:) Hopefully some SMUP fans will enjoy it >:)

MugiMugi

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lifeinthefridge — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:52 MST

@Alex:

Watch out , soon people will be saying how this is a rip off of Little Big Planet and how Microsoft needs to get original ideas..

lifeinthefridge

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Tei — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:51 MST

Will this thing include Quake2?

Theres a .NET migration of Quake2.
[www.vertigo.com]
Has to be "easy" to adapt that thing to XNA, I guest.

You may need free asserts, but theres some opensource ones. Of course, you may need that the license of XNA and "XNA Interface" able open source games.

Tei

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Udam_the_Ogre — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:25 MST

The Dishwasher!!! ZOMG yes I was waiting for something that might show when I can play this on my 360. Oldschool 2D Beat-em-ups FTW.

Udam_the_Ogre

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poser85 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:04:23 MST

lol how anti climatic. Still good news, just not big news.

poser85

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ShareYourTreats — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:03:46 MST

Why do people keep comparing this to LittleBigPlanet?
This should be compared to free flash game sites on the internet I used to play in computer class back in 2002.

ShareYourTreats

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crobar — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:03:22 MST

time limit sucks...
as soon as they straiten out the live arcade drm ill take par in this...

crobar

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Grave of the Fireflies — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:02:46 MST

@Alex: Little Big What?

Grave of the Fireflies

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Walker — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:02:43 MST

Looks cool.... But how are we supposed to download these games? Wheres the interface for that?

Walker

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cubed2D — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:02:30 MST

cant wait till, more info on new xna feature here [creators.xna.com]

cubed2D

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Seiven — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:02:13 MST

hmmm hope this goes over well, this could show promise...maybe community competitions leading to game designer contracts in the future

Seiven

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JohnnytheFuture — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:02:07 MST

I'm sure these demos will turn into full versions soon enough.

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Setzer IIDX — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:01:54 MST

@Alex: That's one way to look at it. But there are a lot of differences between the two.

Setzer IIDX

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NotAZombie — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:00:33 MST

I don't get it. Are we the consumers going to be able to play these or just developers?

NotAZombie

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kyosuke9999 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:00:03 MST

Maybe I need to get that xbox...

kyosuke9999

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EvoAnubis — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:00:01 MST

Hmm. Cool.

EvoAnubis

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JerrD74: ..drawing a blank — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:59:37 MST

Soooo....the demos are time based?? That's pretty crumby.

JerrD74: ..drawing a blank

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egyptomix — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:59:22 MST

Awesome, I wonder if creators can decide to release their games for free just for recognition.

Having a few of these games under your belt can go a long way towards getting a job in the industry.

egyptomix

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Alex — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:59:14 MST

So this looks like the definite response to Little Big Planet then.

Alex