Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD? - Kotaku Comments

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Pinku — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:40:27 MST

@Edge of Blade:
And I can't support a company that sells digital pictures to their users.

Pinku

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

thelken — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:45:11 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: agreed

thelken

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

astrixzero — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:34:12 MST

The X360 launching with a built in HDDVD player would't have made a difference IMO; studio support is still an issue.

astrixzero

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zanzibarlegend — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:37:04 MST

this is what happened to MS rep for backing HD-DVD...lol good times

zanzibarlegend

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

madgunde — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:41:44 MST

@Edge of Blade:
Those wine glasses look awesome! Very classy.

madgunde

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Dcbronco — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:19:13 MST

@SnakeCL: Cost of Blu-Ray manufacturing may have come down. I hadn't seen anything about it. It seems Sony has been really vague and secretive about cost. They developed a new ink to help bring cost more in line with HD. But, if the cost has come down to HD cost, why are movies listed at $40. Toshiba said from the very beginning that HD was only a dollar more per disc than DVD. There has never been a reason for either format to be priced so high. As for 300, it's $30 on Blu-ray and $25 on DVD, but I've been buying DVD for 10 years and have noticed how much the prices suddenly spiked before the release of HD DVD and Blu-Ray. Look at American Gangster, it's $16 on DVD and $30 on HD DVD. And the $30 is $10 off. For something that cost a dollar more to make, why are they asking for $14 more. The sudden jump from $20 to $25 as the retail for DVDs was just the grease people needed to except the high prices they planned to charge for HD videos. Sony's pitching, but I don't play catcher.

Dcbronco

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Xmaster — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:05:29 MST

HD-DVD stinks anyways.

Xmaster

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zlimness — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:22:24 MST

@dip: It's up to you really how many times you want to re-download something. But the option should be there for you, in case you ever feel like watching it again. I see this argument often, that people want to have a physical disc over digital file. I sure as heck would want something physical if I payed $20 for it. But that's assuming a digital file would have the same price tag. Which it wont, if they want to start competing with the illegal distribution. And they will have to compete because it's way past lawsuits at this point.

zlimness

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zlimness — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:09:19 MST

@DelSource: I debunked both your argument that downloaded files couldn't be better quality wise than a DVD and DRM-free, so now you pull the last one: It takes time to download a movie.

And streaming video delivers instantly.

The rest is just emotional arguments, so I'm not going to bother about that.

zlimness

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

ViewtifulJason — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:12:10 MST

@Stormbringer: We buy a Panasonic DMP-BD50 because we don't want to fuel Sony's gaming machine directly, but still want to watch the Dark Knight in high definition.

ViewtifulJason

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

coalhalo — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 15:05:06 MST

Having owned a 360 since it's release, I was never quite sold on the HD-DVD add-on. And when I got my PS3 last January, I had the bonus of becoming an owner of a Blu-Ray player, although it would be months before I purchased my first Blu-Ray movie.

I sat on the fence for most of last year, and tried to wait as long as possible before deciding which new film format to go with. And during the summer I made the decision to go with Blu-Ray. Having a PS3 was a huge factor, but the reasons ended up being the inclusion of "Hard Boiled" in the LE of "Stranglehold" for the PS3. The long, and numerous, delays almost got me to cancel my pre-order. But after deciding on getting "Stranglehold" w/ "Hard Boiled", I bought a copy of "300" in Blu-Ray. And when NetFlix began to offer Blu-Ray or HD-DVD versions, I picked Blu-Ray with confidence.

And ever since last summer the outlook for HD-DVD started to get bleaker and bleaker. First Blockbuster, then NetFlix, and now Wal-Mart have all made the final decision to commit to Blu-Ray. And now we hear that Toshiba is going to cut it's losses and throw in the towel pretty much mean that HD-DVD is now going to be included with Betamax on the list of "could-have-beens".

On one hand I'm glad the format war is close to being over. But another part of me wonders what MS is going to do to try to recoup it's massive investment in HD-DVD. By making the HD-DVD player an optional add-on, they definitely considered the very real possibility of Blu-Ray becoming the dominant format. But what about the 360 owners that bought one? What kind of support, if any, can they expect from MS in the future. MS turned it's back on the original XBox when the 360 came out, showing a reluctance to devote time and energy in a product they no longer have any plans for. I assume they will do the same with HD-DVD.

coalhalo

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Stormbringer — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:41:05 MST

Not sure where this leaves the 360, with it's obsolete DVD drive, and now obsolete HD DVD drive.

Stormbringer

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:01:04 MST

@somarix:

Hang on, MS cheapskates? Didn't Redmond write out two cheques last year for $150m each to keep their two movie studios exclusive for another year (or two, depending on which report you read)?

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:59:09 MST

@somarix:
Yeah, Toshiba now owns Cell manufacturing (but not the design/IP rights).

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

somarix — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:56:14 MST

I just hope there's no massive laying-off of their R&D staff. Toshiba's got the CellBE license now, it's likely they'll have $100 million revenues this year just from making the cpu for PS3, and much more after that.
It only kind of sucks for them that MS are cheapskates.

somarix

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:33:37 MST

@DelSource: Amen. What I find really laughable are those who've quickly done the about face from "HD-DVD is the more consumer friendly format" to "Digital distribution is poised to topple physical media".

In five to ten years time I'm sure that second statement will be true. But anyone who seriously believes that the market, either consumers or distributers, are actually ready for such a major leap are either talking out of spite for Blu-Ray or morons...or both.

There may be something of a direct-to-consumer infrastructure already in place...though even there you're still talking about hundreds of thousands of people who still don't have convenient (or any) high speed internet access. But there is absolutely no retail infrastructure in place. Christ, Nintendo can't even manage to get its shit together with something as bush-league as DS download stations and PC addled morons are seriously expecting a nation-wide retail distribution system to set itself up over night?

Get serious. Even if the dynasty of Blu-Ray is half that of DVD, it's still here to stay for the foreseeable future. Because it's going to be a good long while before agreements have been made, copy protection has been settled, players have been produced and marketed...etc, etc...

Does anyone seriously expect a market where any corner store can sell DVDs without a contractual agreement is suddenly going to do a 180º and switch to a set-up where only Wal-Mart, Target, and a handful of other national retailers are even allowed to sell digitally distributed media?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:32:53 MST

I've lost count of how many times in the last 24 hours I've seen references on the blogosphere to Blu-ray as "proprietary" and the BDA as a "cartel".

Those who went red are really losing it......

Personally, I thought it was a no-brainer the day I learned two things: 1) the BD capacity compared to HD DVD; and 2) that it was going into the PS3.

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SnakeCL — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:31:26 MST

@Dcbronco:

Last I knew as well, BD-DVD manufacturing cost had come down enough that HD-DVD was only cheaper on a single-layer, as in, a Single-layer HD-DVD 1-layer (15+gigs) was cheaper than a 25 gig single-layer BD-DVD. However, a dual layer 30gig HD-DVD was more expensive to produce than a single-layer 25gig BD-DVD.

Furthermore, checked the prices of BD-DVD's lately?

Heck, 300 is cheaper on Bluray at Best Buy right now.

SnakeCL

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:19:13 MST

@josh924: I'm talking down to you because you're putting words in my mouth and consistently (and seemingly intentionally) missing my point.

@The Great TK: I hear ya. I happen to think the N64 was a shitty system...and yet in the decade since its release I still consider Super Mario 64 to be the greatest 3D platformer ever produced. I love Ninja Gaiden (Sigma), and yet I regard the original Xbox as the epitome of "me too".

But it's true, it does seem like the expectation is that you either love everything about a system or you hate it all. There's absolutely no room in most gamer's minds to pick and choose.

P.S.: Pilotwings started on the SNES.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

JojoTheSlayer — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:09:23 MST

Blue has the biggest storage space, which apart from HD was important, I think.

I cant believe people are sorry for the early adopters losing money... If you adopt NEW tech early youre a moron if you think youre gonna save money. New tech is never cheap, no matter how it turns out.

JojoTheSlayer

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Allen750 — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:47:29 MST

Wasn't the margin of gain %10 last year?

Allen750

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:15:56 MST

*HD revolution.....

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:15:26 MST

@Dcbronco:

Most of the points you make were made previously by people who objected to DVD and who then suddenly went quiet and quickly replaced their magnetic tape collections when the were proven to be backward-looking morons. Do what you want: cut off your nose to spite your face, get left behind by the digital revolution and keep your DVDs.

BTW, are you freaking serious: $600 for a DVD player ten years ago is in real terms well over $1200 today yet you won't spend $300-400 on a BD player? Dude WTF? And *WE* BD users are getting screwed you say? LOL!

PS Market exclusivity didn't stop DVDs dropping in price and clearly you bought them. Self-contradictory much? A much too much.

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Dcbronco — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:17:34 MST

Once again the public screws itself. Now with HD DVD gone, watch as the price of Blu-Ray movies Goes to a consistent $40 without out the benefit of sales. Those higher manufacturing cost are all yours to keep, feel the burn. The only thing expensive in HD DVD was the blue diodes, otherwise it was still just DVD. It wasn't much more expensive than DVD at any stage of the process. The public can now have their "superior technology", those higher bit rates sound sooooo good on your $200 home theater. Those extra gigs for the uncompressed sound track can in handy. And that low end HDTV really brings out the colors more with Blu-Ray. You win Michael Bay, go pick up you extra money at window 3. DVD was actually cheaper than VHS, but the public was willing to pay more. I refuse to pay $40 for a movie, or even $25. 6 months from now, when HD is gone for sure, $30 will be a sell. You'll be paying twice the money for a product that cost 15% more to produce. Blu-Ray is just a way for the companies to charge you more so that the studios can recoup all the money they lose by putting out 25 crap movies to every good movie. The rest of you can go ahead and get screwed if you want. I bought a $600 1st generation DVD player a few days after they came out, I will not buy a Blu-Ray player for a long time. If they are still around in five years, maybe.

Dcbronco

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

RawSteelUT — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:54:23 MST

@DelSource: So true. Another year or so, when HDTVs hit that mass market sweet spot, it's all over for DVD.

RawSteelUT

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

cocks — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:30:18 MST

@zlimness: Yeah, just what I want to do... download 300 movies all over again. Should only take about a year or so. You also have to factor in that people covet their material possessions. There are going to be people who would much rather hold a physical copy of a movie in their hands than have one that's made up of a bunch of 1's and 0's. I can see a lot of tech nerds, game nerds, etc embracing downloads but the mainstream public... not so much. I fall in the former and I still say fuck downloads.

cocks

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:03:05 MST

Ah, I remember the good old days when people, stuck in the past and with scant imagination or foresight, said that DVDs would fail because no-one would give up/replace their VHS.........

In Europe -

# of DVDs sold in year two (in a market dominated by VHS):

2 million

# of Blu-rays sold in year two (in a market dominated by DVD):

2.3 million.

Oops. And that doesn't include HD DVD's European sales.

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

RawSteelUT — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 08:00:16 MST

@HobbaHobba: Not only that, but I don't want to wait HOURS for a download when I can just get off my candy ass and pick it up a Blockbuster or Best Buy or whatever and be ready to go in half that time.

RawSteelUT

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:57:30 MST

@zlimness:

You don't get it. Not everyone wants to spend hours downloading a movie - massive DRM or not. The physical networks don't exist to handle a full-scale movie business either. Downloads haven't killed physical media in music despite constant claims from people like you it would. In Rainbows sold bigger on CDs than it did downloads (some did both, others waited weeks and weeks to get the CD they could handle). Non-DRM tracks aren't selling that much more than DRM'd tracks.

Most people want something they can hold, lend out, sell, borrow, handle.

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

qBIRD — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:42:18 MST

since..there are numerous companies that are in the BDA..there will still be price competition..think if Toshiba won..they're the only ones making the players..what competition would there be for them...so Blu Ray prices will continue to fall regardless of if HD DVD is around or not..

qBIRD

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zlimness — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:34:09 MST

@HobbaHobba: Download it again? A disc is just as vulnerable if not more. And why do you assume that just because you've bought something online, you don't back it up on a disc already?

There will still be a need for physical media to store data. But as you said yourself, PC HDDs are hitting 1TB. What happens in a few years when we reach 5TB or 10TB? Then you're back to 200 discs again :p

A digital download can be anything and everything. A bit like Jesus actually. And if I had to pick between Jesus and Sony, well, I'd go for Jesus. And I'm not even a christian!

zlimness

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zuffox — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:08:02 MST

I like the fact that in spite of the picture of the article, the name is still hyphenated in the text. :)

Notwithstanding that I too hate spelling the two formats.

zuffox

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Amazing-Steve — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 04:06:59 MST

Cheaper stand alone BR player FTW over the PS3 thanks.

Amazing-Steve

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:17:51 MST

@sainraja: never said they were the "sole" owner did I!
My point was that with sony having such a big stake in Blu Ray that it would be unlikely for MS to get a look in because its bad buisiness to help your competetors.

I would have said "Sony as sole owners of Blu Ray will not let MS use blu ray" if that was what i had ment, read the post before making silly comments like that!

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:12:23 MST

@manjikengo: Still aint good for MS and now they dont even have the option of doing it if they find they run out of space on dvds.
Eventualy they are going to have to find a new format, and that may be sooner than you think, just look at how much space games are starting to take up, and how short gears of war was.

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

slackjawed — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:37:58 MST

@RuneX: How can blu-ray and HDDVD look like crap, while upscaled DVD is just as good? I dont get your logic...

slackjawed

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

slackjawed — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:35:47 MST

@RawSteelUT: Film is already much higher definition than HD video is. Its all in the quality of film to video transfer that gives you your 1080p video. What you see now in blu ray is basically what its gonna be 10 years from now quality-wise. If you dont see the difference between upscaled DVD and 1080p discs, theres no reason for you to upgrade to blu-ray.

slackjawed

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

HobbaHobba — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:11:31 MST

Yeah yeah whatever. Go for digital downloads then your harddrive goes haywire then say bye bye to all those "virtual" products you purchased online. Then you'll be thinking "Oh my, why didn't I backup my stuff on the lovely, big, juicy 50GB Blurays?" ;-)

Now PC harddrives are hitting 1TB. How are you supposed to back it up? With 250 DVD-Rs? 125 DVD-Rs DL? LOL.

How bout with ONLY 20 of 50GB Bluray? That sounds reasonable.

Come on, You guys want to support digital downloads so bad because you can't accept the fact that Sony won the format war.

HobbaHobba

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

RuneX — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 01:24:16 MST

@Gonzodamus:

I hate those black bars, then again, I refuse to buy any more bluray disks because they look like crap and cost too much.(same can be said for HD-DVD disks)

Way I see it, this death just gets rid of one useless competitor and hopefuly bluray movies will follow leaving us with digital downloads.(or atleast the option for digital downloads. And no,the xblm doesnt offer american movies here in japan.)

Until then, upscaled dvd's is the way to go if I buy anythign at all. They look just as good and cost 1/5th the price.

RuneX

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

dowingba — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:41:18 MST

@RawSteelUT: Studios have been filming in "high def" since like the 1950's, or whenever it was that they switched to the better grade of film.

dowingba

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

dowingba — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:40:06 MST

@k4polo: +

I beg to differ. Maybe right now it's a niche audience but I'm sure Sony's ultimate goal is to replace DVDs as the standard video format with Blu-Rays. If they're any kind of smart business they'll do everything in their power now to kill DVD along with HD-DVD. It all boils down to how much money and effort they're willing to put into this format. I don't think it's a "sure thing" down the road for Blu-Ray to replace DVDs.

dowingba

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

RawSteelUT — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:11:42 MST

@redfoxx: Well VHS did stick around a little while. The main problem, however, is getting those prices down. Streamlining production can only help, of course, but I wonder how long it'll take. Also, studios need to start actually filming in high-def so we start seeing an appreciable difference when compared to upscaled DVDs.

You are right, however, that the death of HD-DVD is the step in the right direction that was needed.

RawSteelUT

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

RawSteelUT — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:09:40 MST

@Edge of Blade: The fuck you talking about? Those are AWESOME! I'd buy them.

RawSteelUT

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

pj898 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:51:12 MST

@HykCraft:
That was the greatest thing evar! You seriously made my day.

pj898

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

redfoxx — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:26:20 MST

...and if you think I'm wrong, where's the three-cent VCR's?

redfoxx

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

redfoxx — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:23:01 MST

For everyone talking about how DVD's will "always be here" doesn't know about production much. When Toshiba drops out of the picture, everyone that makes Hardware and HD Disks will be making Blu-Ray, which will drop the price down immensely, and when Blu-Ray's price becomes competitive with DVD's, everyone in general will stop making DVD's and start making Blu-Ray.

redfoxx

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

k4polo — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 23:03:29 MST

@dowingba:

Sony cant compete withDVDs.They cater to different audiences. One to SDTVS and one to HDTVS.Its like selling toys vs selling games,they sell to a particular audience.

The point is that they lead in High Definition. They can't compete with SDTV but that not the point of Blu Ray.

k4polo

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

dowingba — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:45:16 MST

I'm pretty sure Sony can't rest just because HD-DVD is dead. They still have a much more popular format to compete with: DVDs. I haven't seen any sign of them slowing down or enough of a reason for most people to upgrade to Blu-Ray yet.

dowingba

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

NutManIV — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:40:34 MST

"It would kind of suck to have HD-DVD disc maker on your resume though :P

(it won't stop you from getting a job hopefully, but still kind of funny) "

Why would that be on your resume? If someone handed me a resume that actually said "HD DVD disc maker" I would tell them to leave because that doesn't make any sense. They certainly did not manufacture the discs and it's unlikely that they came up with the design.

Any of the higher up employees at Toshiba and the DVD forum shouldn't have much of a problem with that. Toshiba also created DVD.

NutManIV

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

NutManIV — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:36:03 MST

@CerberusXTX:

Actually Microsoft does care. HD DVD uses Microsoft's HDi. Blu ray uses Sun's java. Microsoft would have gotten a decent amount of money from royalties had HD DVD succeeded.

Anyway, this is the best time to buy HD DVD. Pick up a cheap player soon and cash in on all the awesome deals. Can you imagine $10 movies? $30 planet earth? $20 for seasons of TV shows or entire series boxsets? Awesomeness.

NutManIV

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Puchi — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:34:15 MST

I don't mind the blu-ray prices since the quality is good for the most part and Region A having HK, US, and Japan is awesome. I remember I originally wanted the 5 disc Blade Runner set, but they only sold that set with the premium box for $80... but then BD had the 5-disc set for $40. Then there was the Free +5 BD movies last Christmas, and Amazon is having a movie sale where you can get BD movies for around $10-24.

It's crazy how fast everything changed though. Last winter, everyone was telling me how they wanted a Toshiba HD-DVD player.

Puchi

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

MXs219 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:12:09 MST

Format wars where over long ago and as long Blu Ray Sell like Crazy. HD DVD will sit in the closet and collect dust. now all we need is Paramount to switch and were all good.

NAH NAH NAH, NAH NAH NAH, HEY HEY HEY , GOODBYE.

MXs219

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Gunloc — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:11:00 MST

Good, so soon everything will come with BRD because its going to be the new standard. But I still don't see alot people running out to buy a PS3 just to watch movies because there's allways going to be a "cheap" BRD player on the market and Sony doesnt have to play that card for to much longer.

I'm still waiting for more movies to come out on BRD before I buy one and I think its time for MS to drop the price on the 360 now that it offers alot less then the PS3.

I can't wait to see what happens with sales month to month in the future because Blu-Ray won the war. I want to see if it really changed anything when it comes to games.

Gunloc

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

scottyboy218 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:55:15 MST

@Adrock4: Yea, wow. I would have never guessed with all the news of various stores/companies going blu-ray. Good thing we have you around.

@rich8606: What are you talking about? All 360 games are on normal dvd, not HD-DVD.

scottyboy218

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

ExtremeOne316 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:30:28 MST

Finally one high def movie format congrats Sony and now the 360 really is outdated now compared to the PS3 now Sony can get back to running the console industry

ExtremeOne316

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

rennyf77 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:13:44 MST

i can't wait for hd dvd to fully give up the ghost. then i can start filling my hd library from the bargain bin.

rennyf77

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zlimness — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:11:49 MST

@DelSource: Oh please...

If a bunch of geeks can put out 1080p rips, don't you think the studios with the actual source material can as well? You make it sound like it's not possible to get a movie in good quality just because it's not on a disc.

Everything you need to take the mainstream market is already there on the illegal scene, and I'm not referring to it because it's free. When people can download hundreds of thousands of movies in 1080p from a huge database for less than a dollar a piece or at a flat rate at the click of a button, preferably in different formats and DRM free, physical media will only cater to the enthusiasts/collectors. Data distribution will eventually make physical distribution of entertainment a thing of the past.

But hey, you're free to prove me wrong!

zlimness

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

rich8606 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:55:34 MST

what the? what comes of the 360 games? are they all going to be release in 3-4 dvds?

rich8606

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Adrock4 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:39:57 MST

Wow, looks as if I was right that the end of the disc-format wars was near.

Adrock4

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:36:01 MST

/sarcasm.

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:35:14 MST

@zlimness:

Yes, because illegal rips are the alternative to mass market DVD and Blu-ray.....

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

CerberusXTX — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:07 MST

@Lain: I doubt M$ gives a crap about either format, their success has NOTHING to do with the next-gen video format.....

CerberusXTX

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zlimness — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:21:30 MST

@zlimness: Are referring*

zlimness

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zlimness — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:20:23 MST

@DelSource: lol, what are you babbling on about. "sub-DVD" quality and "DRM" strict? 1080p rips have been out for a while, and so what if it takes 2-3 hours? It's not like your glued to the bittorrent client. And it wont render your computer into a dead husk. Just leave it on and you won't even notice, I'll promise you.

And saying there's more DRM in rips than on a blu-ray disc = :E

Assuming you're not referring to some sort of legal download service out there of course. But comparing anything to the current legal alternatives is a bit like picking on a retarded kid. When legal services can churn out the same quality as the illegal ones, to have a movie on a physical media will be a nice novelty at best.

zlimness

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Huxle — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:18:28 MST

Please, HD DVD, die already. It's not funny any more... your struggle was hilarious at first, but now you're like that one Nascar driver who keeps his foot on the pedal after all of his tires have blown out.

Huxle

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zibby — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:27:38 MST

Shit. You think they'll ever send me those 5 free movies now? Did they ever send them to anyone?

Oh well, I haven't gotten them from Sony yet either.

zibby

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

GOLD5 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:21:24 MST

FI-nally, can we please have an external Bluray player for 360 now? Fuck that was a long hard war, with many casualties. People always mention VHS vs Beta but they seem to forget the infamous DIVX format (not the video codec of the same name) vs DVD war.. I just want to be able to watch movies!

GOLD5

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

DelSource — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:47:03 MST

Checking Johnny Interweb today, I see that many of those who backed the red corner are suddenly claiming that the real war wasn't between red and blue at all, but is and will be between physical and downloadable media. My my, how convenient.

And in six months, when all the dust has settled, few people will admit to ever buying red.

Do tell us how you get along spending hours downloading a film only to find the quality is sub-DVD and the DRM is stricter than a Scottish Victorian governess......

DelSource

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Karunamon — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:24:58 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier:
Because when you hate a system, there's the untold assumption that you also hate all the games on said system.

The N64 was a shitty system, and yet some of my favorite games/series started there. Mario 64. SSB. Pilotwings. TETRISPHERE o_o

Karunamon

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Zero_ — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:14:57 MST

Regardless of who you are, this victory can only be looked at as a good move for the entire gaming industry; it'll place more PS3 in homes, and thus developers jumping on the PS3.

Zero_

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

PSN: Lp47 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:58:07 MST

Good news!
If true, get ready for Parmounts blu-ray announcement.

PSN: Lp47

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

KYLE_ELYK — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:49:26 MST

@LordChris915: No, 360 games run on dvd discs, not on a higher quality discs.

KYLE_ELYK

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Does Not Equal — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:48:52 MST

@bobtheduck: Again, just because Sony supported a format doesn't mean they were behind it. As for Beta? It was a flop. It joined the Philips CD-i as a flop. Somebody found a use for the stuff, but commercially? Flop City.

Does Not Equal

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Does Not Equal — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:46:46 MST

@sainraja: Support and inception are two different animals.

Does Not Equal

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Xephos — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:34:25 MST

OH MY GOD WHO FREAKIN' CARES, wait just about everyone who got called a fanboy for supporting Sony and Blu-ray. Continue to kick ass Sony we love ya'!

Xephos

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

OT79 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:20:23 MST

Now I feel like my PS3 fanboyism is about to explode,Urrraaa!!!!!!!!!
Way to go Sony,sorry 360 fellows,but this is one of our moments,you got some too,right?

OT79

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

bobtheduck — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:18:27 MST

@DoesNotEqual: Sony Media war wins:

CD.
DVD (with Toshiba)

Partial wins:
Betamax (for the television companies)
Minidisc (somewhat with the recording industry)

losses:

Betamax (with home consumers, anyhow)
Minidisc (again, with home consumers)
UMD (except that PSP games are on it, and there's still a steady and very small stream of people on it)

Eternally second place (but not last!)

Memory Stick (beat out compact flash and such, but sD cards sell in nearly everything)

Sony's losses are really exaggerated, and their wins are ignored. I mean, DVD! But they were second to Toshiba, and DVD wasn't associated with any company. People will remember Bluray as Sony's win, because they are the lead development company for it.

bobtheduck

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

joelface — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:05:58 MST

@Ignatius:

LOL... sucker.

joelface

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

leetXcore — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:51:10 MST

WIN

leetXcore

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

sainraja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:47:08 MST

@skullivan: The PSP's UMD format wasn't suppose to replace DVD. It was designed for the PSP and it's still being used in it.....so it hasn't failed.

People love to exaggerate, ugh....

sainraja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

sainraja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:46:07 MST

@LordChris915: Sony is not the sole owner of the Blu-ray format.....and even if they were they would benefit by licensing it to Microsoft since they would get money out of it.

sainraja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

sainraja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:45:29 MST

@DoesNotEqual: Sony supported CD and DVD format.

They supported DVD so much that they included it in the PS2.....just like they included Blu-ray in the PS3. Sony doesn't just talk, they do it.

sainraja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SG79 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:45:13 MST

@Jetsetneo:

MS won't give out BD drives for free, nor will they adapt the format to replace the existing DVD drive in the system.

Truth is, digital downloads never held a candle quality wise to either HD format. Studios need boxed format revenues to make movies too, so we won't see the real dawn of digital downloads anytime soon.

SG79

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

sainraja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:44:01 MST

@remanance: ....was called? The HD DVD add-on IS....

sainraja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

sainraja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:43:00 MST

@LittleBigPlaneteer: 360 would also be a lot more expensive than it was with DVD inside....and probably wouldn't have come out when it did. You're assuming that if HD DVD had been included, it would have come out the same time.....but it wouldn't have.....which is why MS included DVD, they wanted to beat Sony to market.

sainraja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

ManjiKengo — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:42:01 MST

ya know, 2 & 1/2 years ago or so, if the blu-ray forum had gone with the hdI tech, then toshiba wouldn't have gone ahead with hd-dvd.

@LordChris915: what the fuck are you talking about? games aren't put on hd-dvds anyway.

ManjiKengo

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

sainraja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:41:54 MST

@Jetsetneo: MS can adopt Blu-ray......but it's not part of the 360 package, which brings the price of the 360 to be more......

sainraja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

reptile168 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:41:05 MST

the real winners are hollywood and Sony. They can now sell bluerays at premium pricing, and don't need to cut down hardware price any time soon.

reptile168

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

sainraja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:41:04 MST

@supercrap: Good, now you can buy quality Toshiba Blu-ray players! =P

Although I disagree with your statement. Sony makes good products but they are not the only ones who make Blu-ray players. =P

sainraja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Tibeerius — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:40:23 MST

@CaptCaveman: If MS had put a HD DVD drive into the XB360 then we'd have had this thread about Blu Ray about six months to a year ago. I actually talked to Toshiba America's sales guys around the time HD DVD was being rolled out..they thought Sony was stupid to put Blu Ray into the PS3 and were telling us that Sony people at one of the electronic shows told them they were putting a gimped Blu-Ray player in the PS3 so they had nothing to worry about. They never saw this coming...if they had they would have paid MS whatever it took to get them to build a HD-DVD drive into the 360. In any case, this will give thier call center people a "welcome" diversion from the DLP lamp failure calls.

Tibeerius

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SG79 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:39:12 MST

@thelivingrobot:

That's just old FUD. The data layer may be closer to the surface, but TDK's Durabis coating makes the discs much more resilient than any other optical discs. So unless you're planning on using a butcher knife to slash the discs repeatedly, there is nothing to worry about.

Prices are around $20-$30 nowadays too.

SG79

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zanzibarlegend — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:38:28 MST

@TheBard: blu-ray prices will drop. when dvd took over it was expensive at first too. the end of this war will see the drop in price. plain and simple.

zanzibarlegend

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Captain Internet — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:37:45 MST

@scottyboy218: All correct, but I must disagree that people who buy it strictly for Bluray will not effect game sales. I have witnessed quite a few people first hand (retail) who do not game at all buy a PS3 and ask what THE best game(s) is saying something to the effect of "might as well". I've also seen much older people buy them for Bluray, but buy games for when kids are over. Also there is the weight of possibility; people who will buy games simply because they can and in a way, feel like they should.

Now, I don't think I implied that this would change the flow of the war by itself, and if I did I apologize for not representing myself well. All I meant was that to deny that is has any impact is to be short-sighted.

Captain Internet

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zanzibarlegend — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:18 MST

@Ignatius: guess u will. too bad for u cheapskate

zanzibarlegend

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

zanzibarlegend — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:35:49 MST

this news wil launch ps3 sales into the stratosphere

zanzibarlegend

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SolidOni_ds — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:33:14 MST

@thelivingrobot:
bluray discs have special plating that makes them very resilient to scratches and a new bluray movie costs $30 where as most cost around $20-$25

SolidOni_ds

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

thelivingrobot — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:28:26 MST

This makes me so sad... I hope prices drop a lot at least, considering how fragile BR discs are. I can't afford to pay $40 everytime I get a scratch on one of my movies.

thelivingrobot

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Jouten — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:19:28 MST

@Mr Fortitude:

They already do. I'm getting 5 free BD movies when I bought my PS3.

Jouten

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:18:27 MST

@TheBard: Yes but dont forget that more factories will open to meet demand, this will give the ability to lower prices which i am very sure will happen.
The more factories, the less it costs to manufacture etc etc

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

crashlanding — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:09:35 MST

@scottyboy218: Valid point. Now think of a PS3 purchased as a BD player- now you have a free game console. There is real potential to create a whole bunch of new gamers, because the games are easily available and require no new hardware. Instant market expansion.

crashlanding

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SolidOni_ds — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:09:10 MST

@Friend: @neojam:

Friend Ive been having the same problems, dunno why.
neojam I thought about that myself. Its cool that this war is over but those manufacturers donthave a job anymore unless the bluray group decides to make more plants a take them in

SolidOni_ds

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

valkyriex — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:07:33 MST

@scottyboy218:

yea, maybe when the PS3 first launched, but certainly not anymore that multi-platform games are selling 3x or 4x as much on the 360 as on the PS3 like you claim. Last time I checked DMC4 have sold 500K on the PS3 and 400K on the 360 thus far. Assassin's Creed 2.2m on PS3 and 3.4m on the 360. COD4 2.3m on the PS3 and 4.7m on the 360.

Those are all recent major multiplatform games. None of those numbers are 3x or 4x in favor of the 360.

valkyriex

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Akmed — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:06:54 MST

YAY!!

Akmed

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

ChoZ3nWon — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:02:25 MST

@Jetsetneo:
you mean them pushing hd-light downloads? i cant believe people who buy stuff off of the video marketplace, their movies are in encoded in such a way where its in the lowest bitrate possible to claim being "hd".

ChoZ3nWon

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Ignatius — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:53:42 MST

I'll only buy a PS3 when it's a slimmed down version and only costs $50.

I guess I'll have it when the PS5 comes out.

Ignatius

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Jetsetneo — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:48:34 MST

I love how the system that is 'winning' the 'war' doesn't support any dvd-format. Its just a game player. I'm banking on M$ pushing digital downloads outside of XBL anyway. THAT is a real 'format war' not...what ever this was.
If anything this lets Sony get away with pushing the 'latest' formats earlier and earlier...slowly ripping the crying currency from our pockets.
If M$ DOES adopt BD, what advantage does the ps3 have then? Just sayin'

Jetsetneo

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

jayntampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:40:54 MST

@dalejrfanfreak: My paperweight still upscales all my DVDs, plays all the HD DVDs I have, and it doesn't stress the motor in my 360. This is why I bought it ... I don't want to play movies in my 360 or PS3. I'm sorry that you're having such significant intellectual issues that you don't understand that the drive and discs won't magically stop working.

jayntampa

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

jayntampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:38:32 MST

@RPGr: It's not the manufacturing cost, it's the licensing cost, that will prevent prices from dropping faster. Without competition, there is no real motivation to lower the licensing costs.

jayntampa

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

TheBard — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:38:29 MST

@LordChris915:
No. BluRay prices will NOT naturally go down without competition. Competition is good, it makes companies work to produce the better product. And all BD supporters should thank HD-DVD. Without it, we would have had the first draft of BDs, and none of the improvements. Like using double layers for storage, VC-1 codec instead of the old MPEG2, internet connectivity.

Now that the war seems to be over, I just hope that the industry lowers its ridiculous prices. High def or not, I don't see the point in paying the double price for a high def disc instead of the same DVD.

TheBard

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LittleBigPlaneteer — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:36:23 MST

@CaptCaveman:

You do realize if Microsoft and Toshiba had decided to put an HD-DVD drive in the 360 from the start it would probably be winning right now right? The major reason Blu-ray won is because of the install base due to PS3 sales. More Blu-ray players = more software sales. If the 360 had an HD-DVD drive, it would have a much larger install base. Combine that with the cheaper prices for standalone players and it's hard not to imagine studios shifting over to HD-DVD.

Ah well :)

LittleBigPlaneteer

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

CaptCaveman — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:33:38 MST

At this point, I'm just happy that Microsoft didn't put a HD-DVD player in the 360. The screams from people on both sides would be un-bearable. PS3'ers dancing in the streets at the 360 having a dead format as it's main drive. Xbox'ians crying about how they paid extra for the console and the format dying. People leaping from tall buildings and bridges.
Thank you Microsoft. Your stubbornness has possibly saved lives.

Thank You...

CaptCaveman

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

TheBard — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:33:04 MST

@dalejrfanfreak: You should work on your manners.

TheBard

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

phrequency — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:32:07 MST

i kinda feel sorry for toshiba now. poor hd-dvd. makes me kinda wished hd-dvd and bluray could live happily together under the same home entertainment centers in every family's home.

i shall buy an hd-dvd in memory of the war and it shall sit in my trophy case next to my betamax.

phrequency

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

TheBard — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:31:04 MST

I wonder how long it takes for Microsoft to offer a BD addon for the 360. Because they have to do SOMETHING to prohibit folks that want a cheap BD player to get a PS3.

TheBard

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

WolfGod — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:24:38 MST

Thank God this is over.

WolfGod

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LittleBigPlaneteer — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:15:58 MST

@cooler_dood:

It would kind of suck to have HD-DVD disc maker on your resume though :P

(it won't stop you from getting a job hopefully, but still kind of funny)

LittleBigPlaneteer

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

cooler_dood — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:03:19 MST

@Friend: i'm still having trouble getting on. it takes a least a minute to connect. it was pretty much instant last year...

@neojam: yes, because engineers can't engineer anything else other then hd-dvd. or manufacturers can't manufacture anything other than hd-dvd. you so evil sony, damn you... -_-

i guess it's a pretty terrible idea for sony to include blu in the ps3 huh...damn you sony!!!

cooler_dood

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

angry_gamer — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:59:09 MST

@jayntampa: Untrue, discs manufacturing becomes cheaper in bulk. There's a reason why DVDs dropped in price so fast. As long as the format was split, things are more expensive. Welcome to manufacturing and industry 101

angry_gamer

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SnakeCL — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:52:14 MST

@Friend:

Shhhh, don't let the fanboys hear.

SnakeCL

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

neojam — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:51:30 MST

feel bad for people who will lose their jobs in the process...

neojam

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Barbara — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:49:57 MST

While we're on the subject of "Sony vs MS", is anyone else having trouble connecting to Xbox Live right now? I'm getting the same issues I did during the outage.

Barbara

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

remanance — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:41:56 MST

@ DALEJRFANFREAK:

There was once a time the PS3 was called "paper weight".

remanance

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Does Not Equal — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:39:23 MST

@dalejrfanfreak: HAR HAR HAR I TOOK A RISK AND IT PAID OFF AND NOW I GLOAT HAR HAR

Does Not Equal

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

dalejrfanfreak — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:36:24 MST

Hey 360 owners, your hd-dvd add on just became a paper weight. I guess putting Blu Ray in the PS3 wasn't so stupid after all?

dalejrfanfreak

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Does Not Equal — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:35:39 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: Goddammit, now I see your second comment. Why doesn't this thing have a delete-own-comment option?

Does Not Equal

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

adamonfire — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:35:09 MST

FIRE SALE PLZ.

adamonfire

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Does Not Equal — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:35:00 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: Read the comment I replied to re: the Xbox 360 going under and you'll understand my response. Taken contextually, it makes sense.

Does Not Equal

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SolidOni_ds — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:32:38 MST

@SolidOni_ds:
I meant "now" (please an edit button!)

SolidOni_ds

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

SolidOni_ds — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:31:16 MST

Awesome, now lets get Transformers on bluray. For anyone who is upset this is over, it's time to move on. I think this is great. The next-generation has no truly started, there is now nothing to worry about

SolidOni_ds

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:26:22 MST

@skullivan: Thnx i wasnt sure to be honest, I winged it lol

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

josh924 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:24:08 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: I was talking about his first paragraph, not his entire post. By the way, why do you feel
like you need to talk down to me? That's very disrespectful.

josh924

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

noliferuin (PSN+XBL) — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:22:40 MST

hopefully now we can get some worthwhile films on blu ray. i'll cream myself when star wars finally gets released.

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:20:10 MST

@nolifedopestar: @DoesNotEqual: In that case, my last comment can be disregarded.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

noliferuin (PSN+XBL) — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:17:45 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: think he was referring to the comment about xbox dying next. but yea, you need a universal standard for music and films.

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

scottyboy218 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:17:28 MST

@Afore Notation: Consoles sold as blu-ray players only will have no bearing on game sales. Game sales are what drives companies to keep producing games. Why do you think the exclusive games were on PS2? If you have 10 million consoles sold, and your game only sells 500,000 copies. But the competitor has 17 million systems, and it sells 3 million copies, it won't help you. This seems to be a trend on PS3. 360 copies are tripling or quadrupling PS3 games sales, when the install base is only twice as big.

scottyboy218

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

GamingNinja — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:17:22 MST

Great news Blu FTW!

GamingNinja

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:15:07 MST

@DoesNotEqual: In the case of film and music formats...yeah, it kind of is.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

niall077 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:14:48 MST

somehow "owned" doesnt even begin to discribe toshiba

niall077

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Does Not Equal — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:13:11 MST

@theprof00: Yes, because a lack of competition is best for the consumer!

Does Not Equal

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:12:54 MST

@josh924: No, basically what I said. There's nothing remotely similar about our statements. That too much for you to handle?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Arkanius — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:12:50 MST

Microsoft should join the BluRay Association.
It would be for the best.

Arkanius

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Jazhuis — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:11:56 MST

Crap. I guess I had better send in for my 5 free HD DVDs sooner rather than later.

Jazhuis

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

josh924 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:10:53 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: So, basically what Waveracr said?

josh924

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

homernoy — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:10:06 MST

@Waveracr: Forget to take your meds or something guy? Jesus Christ what a bunch of hot air.

homernoy

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

diablofreak — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:08:09 MST

Bill Gates came into his house and took his computer away when he was a kid (see simpsons episode)

diablofreak

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

theprof00 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:07:17 MST

lets now continue the console war and hope that xbox goes the way of the hddvd. :P

theprof00

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

remanance — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:02:49 MST

@ WAVERACR:

You're a little too happy there. Has Microsoft wronged you in the past? ...I meant have they personally?

remanance

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

BlackDove — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:02:16 MST

@Waveracr:

Preach it from the mountain top brother.

BlackDove

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

jayntampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:01:26 MST

@logicaldefense: They do, but it's through the Blu-ray Disc Association ... they wouldn't restrict Microsoft from using the format if they desired. It would be far better for them to get MS to join, anyway.

jayntampa

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Waveracr — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:56:28 MST

Color me happy, joyful even. The only reason this format "war" dragged out the way it did was Microsoft's dragging it out with their dollars and their toadies littering forums with all sorts of FUD.

It's funny how Toshiba is taking the fall, and MS is staying as far away from the heat and humiliation as it can. Bad times for Microsoft -- RROD, Zune, HD-DUD, Vista, and now they're desperately trying to buy Yahoo, an acknowledgement of how badly they've been f**ed up on the Internet by Google.

I don't shed a single tear for any of the early adopter fanboys screaming that they had the "better", the more "consumer-friendly" format, who are now hanging on to worthless pieces of plastic in red cases. Red means dead, and I couldn't be more thrilled.

Waveracr

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:55:40 MST

@josh924: But the PlayStation 3 wouldn't be fine if Blu-Ray had lost. Microsoft choosing to support HD-DVD at all just polarized the format war even further.

If anything, the fact that these two decisions made the format war as much about PlayStation 3 vs. 360 as it did about Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD probably helped bring about a slightly speedier conclusion to the whole situation.

If you had bothered to read my original post carefully you might have discovered that was the only point I was trying to make.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:54:26 MST

@MonkeyBiz: that is pretty damn steep, but with no competition from HD DVD, Bluray Prices will naturaly go down

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

logicaldefense — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:52:22 MST

So do the companies in the Blu-Ray camp own the hardware support patents too?

It's going to be grim for Microsoft if they are restricted from the company standard. :O

I remember getting flamed by 360 fanboy idiots many times when I voiced my opinion about Blu-ray winning the format war.

hardeehar.

logicaldefense

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Dude From Dubai — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:51:51 MST

Im just happy the Format war is almost over....

Dude From Dubai

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

josh924 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:51:43 MST

@Afore Notation: Ah, but the problem was in the packaging, not that it wasn't on one disc.

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: Microsoft's decision to make an HD-DVD add-on player for the 360 had nothing to do with gaming on the 360. The 360 is fine with or without HD-DVD, even if HD-DVD had won the format war.

josh924

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Kyle81 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:51:16 MST

@skullivan: They are still producing UMD movies and TV shows, they just are approaching it in a different manner now.

Kyle81

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

jayntampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:51:05 MST

@RPGr: Actually, it's the other way around -- now that there is no competition, it is less likely that they will speed up a decrease in pricing. It will happen, just a bit slower without competition.

jayntampa

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:50:51 MST

@Afore Notation: Already have..."chuckle*

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:49:52 MST

@mva5580: No, arguing for the sake of arguing would be insisting that HD-DVD has some life left in it.

Presenting a valid counter-point to the notion that the only definition of a "true gamer" is one who will find a significant degree of merit in each and every console is legitimate.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

skullivan — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:49:27 MST

@LordChris915:

360 uses standard DVD discs (as does the Wii). HD-DVD has nothing to do with games whatsoever.

Besides, even if the 360 did use HD-DVD discs for it's games, they would still be able to manufacture them for use in gaming. The PSP UMD format is dead, that doesn't mean that there's not gonna be any discs left to put games on :p

skullivan

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:47:32 MST

@Lain: Who said Sony will let them???

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

remanance — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:46:57 MST

@ NIGHTSHIFT NURSE: NURSIER AND SHIFTIER :

Because it's not politically correct. :(

Hating a console for legit reasons is actually evil in the eyes of some.

remanance

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

angry_gamer — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:46:53 MST

Bout time, maybe now we will see prices begin to drop on "next-gen" format discs (blu-ray) to make them worth buying over DVDs!

angry_gamer

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

mva5580 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:46:43 MST

@Nightshift Nurse: Nursier and Shiftier: Why do you have to argue just for the sake of arguing?

You're proving his point, if anything. Just give it a rest.

mva5580

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:46:22 MST

@Indietendo64: Well yes it does, because the price of HD DVD will go up, the price of Blu ray will go down and 360 will not have anything to put their games on (in due time).

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:45:11 MST

@scottyboy218: ehem..... I PROCALIM VICTORY OVER MICROSOFT. Now the party begins, its gonna be like mardi gras X10.

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:44:35 MST

@Mr Fortitude: At the same time, why the expectation that everyone should "love" each and every console?

I've been gaming for ages and in my time I've encountered several systems which I would deem "crap" for one reason or another. And yet I've owned and enjoyed many consoles of varying levels of popularity and success.

I'm a gamer, I like games, I just don't like everything the market throws at me.

People can dislike Scorcese and still be considered "real film buffs". Others can think Pet Sounds is a crappy, overrated album and still be considered a "real music aficionado". Why can't a gamer detest the N64 and still not be considered a "real gamer"?

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

jayntampa — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:44:13 MST

@Sollus: That's not really a fair comparison, as DVD is an open format and Blu-ray and HD DVD are not. True, you have to pay for certain types of encryption protocols and the like, but you didn't have to pay to actually make a DVD player.

jayntampa

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

LordChris915 — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:42:19 MST

Does this mean that the price of 360 games will go up?

LordChris915

Forget Wal-Mart: Toshiba Giving Up On HD-DVD?

remanance — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:40:37 MST

@ MR FORTITUDE:

FLAME ON!
[www.freefoto.com]
[img151.imageshack.us]

There. I believe I flamed Mr. Fortitude the best here. :)

As for the actual topic, as long as it helps my PS3 get more games...somehow, then I'm a-happy.

remanance