Highlar

crazyorloco

cactaur

What's with all the comments on here about Wii owners not wanting any real or hard core games? I mean seriously, WTF?

Many of us have been gaming since the Magnavox. Nintendo wants to market to EVERYONE. That means they don't want to exclude anyone, especially the gamers who have been with them since the NES days. There may be a lot of crap available on the platform, but there is enough great games as well.

Those who chose the Wii have already made the conscious decision that they value gameplay over graphics, yet these same people are accused of not being real gamers. Again, WTF?!!

No More Heroes is a perfect fit for the Wii because it was specifically built for the Wii. Like all the best games on the Wii, it's a game that would not be anywhere near as effective on any other platform.

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SCV84

goldwings

OMGitsDarkMatter

MetaKz

JaXs

JZERONIMO

When are game programmers going to learn that advertising=sales? Or they could just slap Sonic on the name since anything with that on it seems to sell now no matter how crappy it is. No More Sonic Heroes...

Shaoko

I never thought I'd see the day when it was a crime to expect a game to have a good draw distance, good textures, stable framerate and better animation.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Yay! Well-deserved sales ahoy! Now as soon as the Australian version comes out...

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Also, there should be more to the discussion then simply: all games with a specific demographic should go to the console where that is strongest. In order to even create the basis for a strong demographic you need the reputation for it, and you do that by making games. I can tell you see the slump of traditional games on the Wii as a problem, but for companies to just ignore that as you suggest and hoping to look elsewhere isn't going to solve anything, Nintendo is obviously getting by without them. The Wii is a popular console, and if you want for that to benefit the state of traditional games, the Wii needs traditional games to make that influence. Such a pursuit, of course, is beyond the resources of Grasshopper Manufacture and Suda51, but third-parties should still be encouraged nonetheless.

StarStabbedMoon

Highlar

As to the difference in sales between the US and Japan, I'm absolutely floored. There are more Wii owners in Japan than the US, this game should have done far better in Japan. Then again, like Matsuuya said, 3rd party games are failing in Japan.

RawSteelUT

Just me or was that a contradiction?

juliopalio

I loved the combat using a high/low attack system, and would prefer this style if they ever did a Wii Star Wars Lightsaber game to a degree. But I really think this game would have done better on other systems simply cause the Wii is typically aimed more at the younger/family generation.

Zakuen

Who he is, what he does, and how you 'fans' perceive him means very little when everyone is surprised that his game isn't selling like it should. Simple answer... he put all his eggs in one basket, and dropped it. Sooner or later, hopefully these developers are going to see the Gamecube 2, the same way they saw the first one... then get on to making games for people who want to play them, instead of chasing NPD numbers.

Tenth

kiigan

The Wii. Not everyone who buys it is a casual gamer, obviously. I love all types of games, and I own one. I'd like to own 360, Wii, and PS3 (maybe not so much PS3, yet). My brother owns a 360. Many of the games on the Wii are casual, mini-game clusterfuck parties. I can count, on my hands, most of the games which probably have the most merit on the Wii.

RE4 (in it's THIRD release), MP3:Corruption, Metal Slug, Zelda:TP, SMG, NMH. The awaited SSBB will be included also.

There should be more support for bigger gamers, or at least new IPs. But Nintendo is a business. Never forget that. Without MONEY, they'll never have the funds needed to release the kinds of games we'd want to play.
So if they can make an empire off of casual games, then we'll just have to accept that, no matter how much it hurts.

ChiltonGaines

Reading this Thread you'd think it was "Bash Jackal888 and win a Fantastic Prize", Browsing over the comments he has made across many topics I think its safe to say he's a pretty unpopular guy (here on kotaku) but ignoring his posts will get you much farther than trying to defend against his not dumb perfectly unretarded and completely unfanboish opinions which are not not stupid, wrong and/or completely moronic.

insertinear

I agree there was virtually NO advertising for this game. Outside a couple banners on the net, nothing else. I feel like if they had advertised this on the Cartoon Network inbetween episodes ob "Boondocks" or "Ghost In The Shell Stand Alone: Complex" we the sales would've been better.

But realistically, let's look at this they sold HALF there initial shipment. That's not bad at all. This game will probably be the best selling game Suda ever put out and I'm sure he can't be mad at that. I mean if they sell between 200k-300k (which I think it will) with what it cost to make the game, I'm sure Ubi and Grasshoper can't be mad.

All in all these people claiming the Wii is aimed at casuals? Who the fuck cares, play what you want on the Wii. If you can't find something that you enjoy on the system, then sell and give a chance for one of the gazillion of others who want one to enjoy it.

All this grand standing on the internet is corny. People need to stop with the dumb shit or start their own blog, website.

FunKrusher

VOR75

VOR75

ThisCharmingMan

OMGitsDarkMatter

Highlar

Of course, No More Heroes is more approachable than Killer7 was to the average gamer, so I'm sure that helped. Either way, I'm very happy to see No More Heroes doing well.

OMGitsDarkMatter

The game wasn't supposed to come out in Canada until Feb. 8th, but one or two retailers somehow got a few copies on Jan. 22nd that all sold out immediately.

Come Feb. 8th, all those retailers, both online and offline (or both), officially got their copies... and promptly sold out yet again.

So, now, nearly a month after the game came out in North America, are copies actually beginning to show up on shelves here in Vancouver. That's at least one sale of this game unaccounted for on the basis of not being able to find the damn thing.

happyfish

I picked NMH on the same day as DMC4, and I've only played a couple hours of DMC4 so far. Not to say it's a bad game, but I've loved playing NMH so much /more/.

I wish it more success! Games like this deserve to be made.

ChewdyFu

No more heroes was a great game that could ONLY have been done on the wii

Neon

Actually, I just took NMH back to the store for credit.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Sorry, but the "waggle" makes NMH significantly better than it would have been otherwise. It's central to the game design.

You morons who keep bashing motion control are gonna be singing another tune when Microsoft and Sony shamelessly rip off the Wii's control innovations in the next generation. Sony tried to do it with Sixaxis but failed horribly, mostly because they just jammed a motion sensor into a dualshock controller.

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IrisMR

MonkeyBiz

BloodStainedVendetta

Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy

Angsty teenagers with stupid hair following a strictly linear plot, and Square Enix on the box.

This stereotype is not changing.

The_Phiphler

Maybe I could import it...

Zigmat

Maybe I could import it...

Zigmat

@Trip42: I'd imagine that to be wholly true. You'll end up with a lot more people who want to try the game out, the Smash Bros games have been fairly popular (And still seem to be quite so, already selling a million in JP), although your mileage may vary.

As for the actual topic, this game could've definitely benefited from some actual advertisement in the US. Sure, maybe it's a little niche, and just inherently odd, but I think a bit of advertisement could've definitely made more sales for them, and taken them from 'okay' to 'good' numbers.

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

I hope it does well overseas. Success in U.S. + EU = worth a Japanese studio making the game.

GhaleonUnlimited

and it's great to finally make out (with sound effect) that he is in fact collecting coins, rather than being pelted with potato chips.

thomas c

Really. You really had to do that.

Ping5000

To bluntly state that only casual and family games will do good (or belong) on that console is shallow minded. If you say that casual games are prone to more succes on the wii, you are right. If you say that hardcore games have LESS chance to succeed, I hope that you will take a look at the amount of wii's sold.

Stop comparing the commercials to the real life. They are fake, in case you haven't noticed.

marlblank

People, as a whole, don't like weird. They like familiar things they can categorize and classify.

PapaBear434

I am SO glad that I picked it up though, yes it can be repetitive at times, but the overall story and boss battles are great! And I can dig the more MATURE (read as more cursing and fan service) theme. Also, most of the photos don't do the game justice. You have to see it in action to truly appreciate it.

I'm glad that it sold moderately well and I hope that Suda51 keeps em coming!

hattori_DONso

Granted, it is censored over there...

AuraHACK - Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet

Dhighness

Roland25

Gadgetron

Also, with the lack of online for many games there's not much incentive for everyone to buy a copy when compared to something like Halo where everyone needs a copy to participate in the online festivities. I would guess a game like SSBB would sell well because myself and all of my friends will buy copies to play online. Thoughts?

Trip42

I'm on a self imposed game buying/renting ban so I have yet to play it but it's definitely a must play once I clear out the ol backlog.

russtophiles

cio

Can you make up for that with the broad market penetration? Jury's still out.

But based on these numbers it's under-performing, though I'd stop short of calling it a flop.

SSJPabs

The Konamunist

Lyner

Kfizz311

MURDERFACE

Thus, I hope it bombs here.

raver

Dukeman330

Hes a niche market game designer and No More Heroes is his highest selling game to date.

Maybe you should actually learn something about what you're talking about before you tell people what lessons they should be learning.

brent_w

Tenth

It's that simple... open up to more people, and they will buy it. I guess it goes to show that, while the Wii is leading the pack in hardware, the (majority of)people buying it aren't interested in games like this.

Lessen learned, I hope, Suda?

Tenth

Yes the industry is shaken up a bit right now, and a lot of third parties are still confused about the Wii's popularity, which is why their not able to get anything great out (thus far). But once they start taking cues from people like Suda and make the Wii controls work *for* you, in addition to a great concept/gameplay, rather than simply apply them as a gimmick, you'll see some great stuff come out that can be innovative and traditional. Plus, with the popularity it's gained amongst casual people, Videogames will be as accepted as movies, books or music, which means we'll have genres catering to all types.

I just view this as the industry maturing into something far greater than what it was meant to be, as entertainment. It brings people together in ways other entertainment can't.

Masume

I don't know where you've been but the vast majority of "independent" style games have been coming/are planning on coming to the Wii (and some to ps3 as well.) The 360 is the home of the "summer blockbuster" if you want to push that metaphor.

Anyway, as for sales 200,000 is pretty amazing for an semi-indie game with exactly ZERO advertising. It would not have sold better on 360.

Oh and I'm guessing many people skipped Metroid Prime 3 (and in some ways I don't blame you between Orange Box and Bioshock there were definitely better FPS's last year) but if you went back and played it you'd see that a.) not only is the Wii completely suited to more serious, immersive games, but that b.) it is hands down one of the best gaming experiences of last year. The motion controls were brilliant and frankly it looked pretty too.

No More Heroes is a perfect fit on Wii because its a WII GAME; you'd really rather push just a different button for those finishing moves rather than slash the remote? Maybe you do, but then we have very different definitions of fun.

ajay42

Highlar

天

Still 100,000+ in sales is damn good (I am assuming this is from the NPD list and just counts the 7 days of january that was in sales, then again I could be wrong and this is LTD in the states)

daknight

Ehetyz

jackal888

Aiwokote

I can appreciate the art style but there are definite areas where I'm just shrugging my shoulders thinking "wow, you had to really WORK to make it look that bad"
This is my first SUDA game and I'm definitely a fan now. I love the satire and cynicism of its presentation.

ExistentialEgg

That said, your comments about Resident Evil 4 don't do much to assuage my concern about Wii. Hell, I almost bought the game again, but a console where people rebuy old games isn't exactly something that should be acceptable to anyone. What does that say about the Wii game library where one of it's best games is an upgraded port?

I don't, in theory, disagree with anything you've said. Wii can make pretty games and bringing casuals into the marketplace is a net positive.

However, I don't think Wii is making the game industry a better place. It, combined with the expensive foibles of the other two consoles, has effectively fragmented the gaming industry.

At the same time, how is Wii helping the game industry when the vast majority of it's library is crap? Nintendo seems absolutely bipolar when it comes to Wii. If they want to focus on casual gamers, where are the games like Uno or Poker (available on XBLA) or, hell, Clubhouse Games (on DS)?

Instead, outside Wii Sports (and an overpriced BBA), Nintendo hasn't actually been making good casual games. At the same time, third parties are filling the void with crap. And if I was a parent or a new gamer and my first gaming experiences were some of Wii's shovelware, I'd be turned off from gaming instantly.

Well, this rant has nothing to do with No More Heroes save to suggest it's on the wrong console. Great, wonderful game, that probably, sheerly by virtue of the market, would have gotten more attention on Xbox...

lordjoebill

The Wii is a great console, and the innovations Nintendo have brought to the console table are great and noteworthy. But it stands to reason that the fuel of the Wii's success has been mostly social gaming in the vein of minigame compilations. Other kinds of titles are certainly available on the system, but those local multiplayer games are the ones currently fueling the console's success. Newscasters couldn't get enough of those stories about Grandma playing videogames with the 8-year-old, and all across the nation people were having Wii Sports parties.

Again, there's nothing wrong with that. Nintendo has finally reached out to demographics that once veiwed gaming as a total waste of time or worse. This is a good thing. However, because they're putting so much effort into reaching those demographics, the demographic of the traditional gamer has gotten very little marketing and only a moderate software push. The Wii just isn't prime territory for what I hear is an over-the-top, violent love-letter to gaming. Yes, as can be seen by these sales, there are at least a few hundred thousand longtime gaming aficionados who own the Wii, but most of those are likely to own one of the other systems as well. The people buying NMH right now are by and large Wii60 or PSWii folk.

(N.B.: this is speculation, naturally, but not unreasoned or arbitrary)

Toasticus

chemical_eng_mx

valhum

baked ham

I wouldn't exactly call Scarface or any of those other ports 'hardcore', and they weren't exactly top caliber titles. Certainly not worthy of buying twice, and anyone who wanted them bad enough had them already. As far as WW2 FPS games go, that franchise has run it's course.

As far as Jackal's comments go, they just reek of either a. immaturity or b. fanboyism. Nintendo's new demographic is younger children and past generations, which is a *great* thing, since it makes our hobby more accepted by the mainstream, making it *eventually* less of a target for scrutiny by the media, etc.

The only lack of more traditional titles on the Wii has to do with the fault of third party developers right now. If they could get Bioware onboard, things would certainly rock.

The Wii has the same storage capability as the 360, it just has less horsepower, but it's certainly capable of pulling off good looking titles if developers take the time to work with it, rather than trying to cram every visual trick than can into a title.

Masume

tnx3

Seriously, if it wasn't for me visiting Kotaku i would've never cared to look at NMH.
Everyone keeps comparing it to Kill Bill (and i must admit it is true, sweet true) and that movie wasn't a blockbuster either, it is more of a cult awesome film, so it is not a surprise that NMH will be more of a cult game, it has nothing to do with the fact that it is on the Wii.
Anyone who doesn't enjoy the wiimote part of the game has something wrong in his brain. I swear, i eagerly await for a call to my cel phone, that part is AWESOME!!! lol.

valhum

Kyle81

The_Red_Spectacle

Phantom_Photon

I am all ears brotha...

Fyren

Kyle81

Heres the fault in the game though, it's on a platform made for casuals gamers. A Killer7 port or sequel would of been great for the Wii (look at the success of the Resident Evil on-rails shooter). Yet No More Heros felt clunky when I played it and a mature game on a system marketed as a "Family Console" won't sell as well as, lets say, Super Mario Galaxy.

Grasshopper Studios would of been better off putting the game on the 360 or PS3.

Giant Enemy Crab

Umbrella Chronicles has sold less than RE4 and *gasp* it's actually more casually oriented than anything else in the series.

Since people love lists, do I need to throw up a list of PS2 "hardcore" ports that didn't do well on Wii? Scarface? Mortal Kombat? Godfather? Geez, even Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 pretty much bombed on Wii--then again, MOH isn't much of a serious franchise anymore.

lordjoebill

Nintendo does not want these fans they want mothers and grandmothers to play Cooking Mama, and Face Training.

jackal888

fumar

And that picture. I was all like 'hot damn', then a short pause before 'WTF'. Creepy.

eugaet

COMEDY MOMENT.

That aside, yes, this game wants almost same audience as Capcom's Resident Evil Wii games (do you like violence?), both of which are going to end up as million-sellers. Proof right there that yes, Wii owners do buy violent games.

Anyway, if it really sells about 300,000, that's not too bad right? I don't know, what were they expecting? I don't get the impression it was a gigantic team working on it for decades... so yes the Japanese sales are bad but elsewhere it seems ok?

quen

I don't see how anyone can see the Wii as anything but a casual console. Oh, wait, it gets three recycled Nintendo franchises a year! HARD CORE!!!!

lordjoebill

As for the Wii bashing, some people either don't get it, or just plain hate fun because their favorite console got the beatdown from Nintendo. It's alright to be bitter, really, but let's try to be mature about this. I'm an old school SEGA fan from my youth, so cut the whining. No one has died like they have yet.

Masume

Smash Bros sold a million in two weeks. 'nuff said.

Kyuur

There could be time for a upgraded port, but then I'd rather Suda make his new 360 game as awesome as NMH.

Ted

Suda's games are considered NICHE titles, if this game had been made for the 360 as others here are suggesting it should have been made for then the game at 400k would still be below profitability. Since the game is on the Wii most likely all they needed to sell was 200-300k copies before they would break even on it. Given the fact that it looks like this game is going to sell over 500k WW pretty easily I'd say that it's a pretty big success all around.

Also, if this game had come out on the 360, people would have denounced it for having sub par graphics which would hindered sales.

DarkNight_DS

cocks

There's still time to do an enhanced port!

Erwos

celljean

Halo wouldn't have sold as well as it did, if not for the major media hype behind it.

Tubatic

CyricZ

cocks

little_dragon

jackal888

kiseki

Kinburn

The Wii is not a console just for casual gamers nor are casual gamers the only ones who buy it. Saying otherwise makes you sound like a complete idiot.

cocks

Learn to advertise.

Thank you.

EmeraldDragon

How many good games on the system DON'T match those criteria?

Tyhe problem with bad 3rd party wii sales isn'tr nintenod, iyts bad third party games. I barely rent wii games because I know there is an excellent chance it will be a psp port or another ninjabreadman. If third parties want to do well on the wii, they need to make good games and not cash ins. Capcom understands this. Even EA understands this. It isn't that hard.

Marasai

brent_w

Looks like I'll have to pass a good game... or import.

Zigmat

Brackynews

Its the horrible state of the industry. Rabid desire for fancy graphics drive up production costs and the only games which can afford to be AAA hits are bug budget sequels of established franchises, or hugely marketed big budget new IP from an established studio.

Its unfair to say that such a game wouldn't fair just as well on the Wii, because none other than Nintendo has put that sort of development resources into a Wii game anyways.

brent_w

Hiero Glyph

I too enjoyed Zack and Wiki, but how many ads have you seen for the game? Compare the amount of ads for MP3 to the amount of ads foe WiiSports.

Do not blame me Nintendo is promoting a game system made so families can play games together.

jackal888

Then again, Japan is the country that gave us Battle Royale, so maybe I don't know jack.

beeporama (brian.j.parker)

NeoStarr

1) To be made by Nintendo.
or
2) To be a big franchise.
or
3) To have lots of casual appeal.

Rayonic

The most entertaining part of No More Heroes to me is the remote slash for the final hit.

IR controls in MP3 and MoH:H2 are the reason I could care less if any FPS was made for analog control sticks ever again.

MP3's levers worked like a charm.

Zack & Wiki's tools, with the exception of the bell in that stupid music minigame, were fantastic.

etc.
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I am a Wii owner, and I am the type of person that enjoys games like NMH.

brent_w

San

cocks

Amerijapoxicano

jackal888

Roto13

I'm happy with my Wii and the majority of games I have aren't casual. NMH will be increasing that count when it's released.

rokujou

cocks

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CHU BOI

El-Suave

Game XYZ is not a compilation of mini-games or a casual gimmick, therefore it does not belong on the Wii.

That's absurd. That's like saying game ABC isn't an FPS, and therefore doesn't belong on the 360. Each console needs a diverse set of games, and each console has always had a diverse set of games. Just because the Wii has enough gimmicky waggle-ware to topple the Empire State Building doesn't mean that people only buy it for gimmicky waggle-ware.

Just because something sells well on a system doesn't mean that nothing else will either.

Saxboy

I hope SUDA51 gets encouraged to make more Wii games. I personally loved Killer7 and NMH, and lookin forward to "Flowers, Sunshine and Rain," so I'm hoping for more of his games.

n2Depth

jackal888

Garo

Heyyou27

BtownDesignGuy

Bu the last fight and the true ending made it all worth it.

Heliophage

Swordmonkey

rokujou

Sadly, the Wii demographic is not for this game. Back to the shovelware factory.

ScottG13

FranUnFine

rokujou

I am speaking to Nintendo's marketing the system as a everyone ,casual game system. NMH is not casual or and everyone game. It is mature, satirical and referential to gamers who have played games in the past.

Suda51 makes great games but they are more like an independent film than a summer blockbuster.

jackal888

aldo_14

Also I think NMH (No More Heroes) was a good buy. I will recommend it to everyone with a Wii.

xpnet