driverjoe27

astrixzero

Bodea

You could find a Saturn for $25-40 easy.

GhaleonUnlimited

VishBurn "No it's not, and don't call me Surley"

sorry had to do that one for ya!

Amen

GOD

Also I believe that they would never offer PS2 downloads on PSN until they find a way enable PS2 disc BC on the 40gb models.
Offering PS2 games for purchase on PSN while still being unable to play the discs already purchased would be seen as a betrayal in the name of avarice by many people and wouldn't be worth the potential profit when compared to the damage that would result to the PlayStation brand.

VishusBurn

Well, in my case it's because I have an Xbox, PS2, PS3, NES, and Wii plugged into an AV switcher and I have no room left on my TV for anything else.

PlayerX

PlayerX

I'm just saying that it's not a major thing to lose. In my opinion, and i stress opinion, not many people will give a rats ass about playing PS2 games on their PS3. Many people in these comments sections might just, but we do not represent the rest of the world as we are a small demographic. we are, as this site puts it, "obsessive gamers". people are not that bothered about BC, so sit on your asses untill they put BC into the PS3, and hold that money tight, but i think it is a stupid reason not to purchase an amazing console!

I can see it as being a nice thing to have. I can't understand why they took it out!

If you can't see it from my point of view there must be something wrong going on in your heads!

GOD

guar6dian

kagrra

PSN: Lp47

kagrra

A few years ago I picked an import SS from the last production batch, so I'm looking forward to many more years of Saturn glory........

So I guess what I'm saying is, if you don't want those games to go to waste, he he

badnewsjones

gourmettea

AntiZERØ

JamieA

I would not have been as lured to PS3 without the b/c, as I have 67 PS2 titles, some of which still cannot be played on the 80GB model.

I was thinking for the future, when the PS2 breaks and they don't sell them anymore. The PS3 would be a useful tool for that then.

Also, if Sony wants to do something genius they can either release the incredibly rare Ico with ShadowotC for $30 or just release it on the PSN. Come on, nothing is stopping them and with so much interest in SoTC, Ico could be a hit now. Same goes for movies that were nominated for Oscars that no one heard of that got a surge of popularity after the fact.

kylo4

ShinjiKinomoto

Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War 2, Zone of the Enders, and a couple of RPGs will likely have me looking through the bargain bin.

In other words, it's good to have a 60GB PS3. :D

DeejayKnight

zoesch

Taco Bell™

TheIrishNinja

We're just... really big nerds. :p

Livid

ParadiseEve

I for one am quite happy with my 60GB.. it plays PS2 games a lot better than an Xbox.

Korbei

Flawless101

JohnnytheFuture

jmsalal

CenatorC

KevinMassacre

Doesn't sound at all like Microsoft and Sony are cribbing off of one another's playbook on backwards compatibility there.

jallen

nxp3

SigmundTheSeaMonster

GOD

GOD

i bought my 80 gb so that if i wanted to, i could still play some of my old games.

that said... i really RARELY ever get the urge to play old games...

..like i dunno, once im done with a game, im pretty much done... and from that point on... those games are basically just... trophies.

joelface

Oh, and the Wii plays all generations of nintendo consoles.

look at this...

[en.wikipedia.org]

new things not old things!

I grow tired of you now.

Later

GOD

For me games that I missed I missed. If I keep that mind set I would still be playing snes games.

Hey man when the new Twisted Metal comes out I want to come over to your place so we can play the original!

FtGF

I think they should keep the compatibility, yet I'm not a normal gamer by far, by American standards atleast, so my opinion isn't much. Yet, that is also why I bought a PS3 because I know the games I like will come to it.

オースティン３D

Guess what I did when I got the Wii and PS3? Gave the GameCube and PS2 to my little brother, who loved me dearly for it.

Yet, I can still play my games!

Funny enough, one would say that the PS3 is actually MORE innovative in its backward compatibility because it is the first console to play TWO generations of previous game media. No other console does this.

Dragoonkin

@Dragoonkin: Well i'm know to make the odd stupid mistake. One was to entertain your comment with my OPINION! directed at your "comment" not an answer.

Go play on your console of choice, and come back when you own a PS3 and tell me how it lacks innovation because it doesn't play PS2 games!

GOD

FtGF

LAUGHABLE!

Kirkpad

FP Shindokie

I mean, at this point you could say "Well I ACCIDENTALLY clicked that "reply" button next to your name specifically, four times" but then you'd look even more silly.

Dragoonkin

jaymac

StratfordX

StratfordX

GOD

Adam Rock

That's the kind of witticism that cuts it in person when you forget what the person before you said in ten seconds, but not when the entire conversation is able to be read-over, with handy hyperlinks.

Dragoonkin

FtGF

GOD

npa189

GOD

I may just be speaking for hardcore/midcore gamers.

Bisu

yeah you're the only one dude. Me myself I like to revist the classics

FunKrusher

Thank you and goodnight.

bkN00b

baked ham

Maximus9

Toasticus

So yes, I believe that "holding onto the past" as you put it is a perfectly valid innovation.

Really, I fail to see why people draw some sort of "divide" between electronic gaming and any other sort of gaming that allows them to think it's perfectly fine for one to be useless in a miniscule lifespan compared to the other. Board games like Go have been around for literal thousands of years, should we have stopped playing them just because the original board and stones wore out?

Monopoly, should the original maker have printed his few hundred copies then never made more again, because games had obviously "moved on"?

What, really, is the divide between electronic and physical gaming that creates this attitude that it's perfectly acceptable for games to "die" and never be played again, beyond the concept of forced-obsolescence to drive profit? It baffles me when people kneel before the altar of consumerism and accept the fate that for no real good reason, something of theirs will be of no use anymore long before the actual life of the physical item has been met.

This is why emulation is a completely valid concern for me, this is why companies release "classic collections" of their games. Because a game doesn't stop being of value -- either financial OR play -- just when the original hardware it runs on stops working. It just needs to move to another device that accepts it.

Dragoonkin

ceilingFANBOY

GOD

GOD

grangerfx

W.C.Gold

"Before the Intellivision, name me any console that had more than one action button. Why should it be standard?"

"Before the MacOS, name me any PC that had a mouse. Who needs it!"

Yes, innovation is stupid. Let's all sit in caves. Improving things is retarded.

I mean, we press games onto these tiny polymer discs that will last approximately one-f**king-million years, why would we want to be able to play them for more than ten?

Dragoonkin

i say sony will bring back BC sometime close to them canning the PS2. or if things start going off the rails again. for once, being the first in a console's lifespan pays off. i think i'll rock some god of war tonight and fire up some of that emotion engine goodness.

jfx316

Seriously, if you have no experience with how upscaling works, grabs a SNES emulator and pretty much any ROM, blow it up to fullscreen, then turn on some of the smoothing effects and pay attention.

Dragoonkin

kevinski

GOD

Rectangle

Why should it be standard? before the PS2 name me some consoles that had BC as standard.

GOD

Flawless101

@Grave: No I never had one...I had an N64 & a PS1 tho. You win this round evildoer.

Jandlecack

boxofthegods

That being said, it would probably be easier for Sony to implement BC on the 40GBs, simply because the PS3 so completely outpowers the PS2 it's not even funny.

RawSteelUT

Regardless, can we move forward instead of always living in the past?

EnigmaNemesis

Zeouterlimits

Up until the past few months, I only played PS2 games on my PS3. I sold my PS2 a while back to buy some crack to smoke (which explains buying a ps3 during launch.)

balls187

boxofthegods

budash2

Konchu

GOD

But the system already in place in existing PS3's is hardware. For software emulation, they would have to program for every title, like 360 does, which is hardly efficient and certainly would take a sizeable chunk of time to even make a dent in the PS2's immense library. I think hardware may actually be cheaper unless they are planning on limited support of the previous generation.

Strangelove

tamago007

Eirias

GOD

All you get is, "I'm not getting one until it Has a 120g HDD, B/C, Blu-Ray, Does my washing up, Takes me to the moon for some moon sticks and costs me $5"

Get over it fan boys!

It's a nice extra feature. I hope it comes back, but it isn't the end of the world if it doesn't. This post gives us all a bit of hope, still I doubt that half of you people who are bitching about it not having B/C would think about picking one up if it did!!

rant over!

AMEN!

GOD

Violater

I'm glad I bought the 60gb with the card inputs and hardware emulation. I never know when I'm going to hear about an obscure PS2 game that I never played. I'd like to atleast have the option to play it without having to keep my dusty old PS2 around just in case.

marty7044

JustThisGuy

Grave

goldwings

Let's face it, PS3 BC was a good thing, and that's why I moved on my 60GB when I did. Removing it was absolutely foolish.

Grave

There will even be a some people who buy games twice, because they got rid of their PS2 but want to play an old title! Give the man who thought of this a raise!

bonaparte

DigiMish

shimage

JustThisGuy

can sony ever make one decision and either be standard across the board? all 360 skus are only different by including a hard drive (20gb or 120gb) or not, that's it, simple.

sony should have just kept the 60gb launch version (the one i have) and just ate the costs for a while till manufacturing costs came down, it's obvious that it didn't take too long for that to happen.

glad i got the better version (60gb launch with full (99%) compatibility, back in december '06.

kneehighspy

Shaoko

Mii

Jandlecack

I mean, it costs like 70 bucks to get a slim PS2 now, if you don't already have one, you're likely a silly person. :P

Krackatoa

Earlier, someone here mentioned that the Saturn's tech specs involved elves, wishes and fairy dust; I'm beginning to think that he's right on the money.

JustThisGuy

Aethyr

TheDollHouse

Jamaces

Mii

smitty1123

Bring it on Sony (& Lempell).

Jandlecack

ceilingFANBOY

FP_slomo788

PS2 software emulation = $100?

inkedgamer

Strangelove

I am, however, a little confused about the performance you're getting on your machine. My main machine has worse specs than yours (e6550, 4 gigs, 8600GT) and I get playable frame rates. Mind you, I like tinkering with software, and I'll fiddle about with the options and plug-ins until I get something playable, but still--you should easily be able to hit 30 FPS with that setup.

JustThisGuy

ceilingFANBOY

Stormrider

Barf#1

ceilingFANBOY

Leonidas16

bangbangblah

Zeouterlimits

Dragoonkin

In any case, if you find those games perfect, you've either got a substantially more powerful computer than me (Q6600+4GB RAM+8800GTX) or much lower standards.

emag

Meh.

Wyld

Akmed

Heck, the developers have gone on record to say that acceptable PS2 emulation will not be possible in the forseeable future due to the PS2's graphics architecture.

emag

PlayerX

crashlanding

Armored Core (all of 'em, and yes I love me my giant robots);

Phantom Brave and Disgaea 1 & 2;

All the Final Fantasies;

Devil May Cry 2 and 3; and

Resident Evil 4.

Some of those are pretty graphic-intensive games. Seriously: if a bunch of random dudes working on an open-source project can pull off RSX emulation decently, then I'm absolutely certain that the techheads at Sony HQ can pull it off perfectly. RSX emulation is solved; now the wrinkles (and there are quite a few) need to be ironed out.

JustThisGuy

romBox

nxp3

coktoe

The main reason it's been outselling the PS3 is because of the price difference between them. That's pretty much the reason the Wii has sold so well to. If the PS3 started out at $249 it'd be in first place

LittleBigPlaneteer

Saint Anima

wisconsinista

baked ham

Stormrider

Nothing can save the PS1 games, though...tried playing Parasite Eve 2 and I nearly clawed out my eyes at the giant pixels crawling across my screen. It literally was making me motion sick.

Seriously, though...I look at my 'uge PS2 library and almost every game I have plays on my 80gig PS3. If you want BC, run don't walk and buy a 80gig PS3. It works great. Especially if you have an HDTV. Ugh 480i looks nasty on a nice TV...

(...And here I promised I'd never become a videophile...)

Dragoonkin

I am interested in the next system they will bring to take the 80gb unit's place.

sascha23

Witzbold

lynxij

FP_slomo788

FP_slomo788

imaria

sUKi

sanyo

Go out and buy an 80GB PlayStation 3, you'll be all set.
Just don't wait too long.

Big World

I get what Sony is doing. PS2 is still very viable, and can be a problem to a system like the Wii, because it beats it in almost every aspect (price, games, etc). But Sony is too confident in its dinosaur. PS2 will never appeal to an old person like the Wii, and a young kid will always eye the "new" Wii to the PS2, unless they drastically change the design and come out with a motion sensor add-on. The 40 GB was also a good idea, because as its success shows, many people were ready to drop BC for a "cheap" PS3. But dropping it all together? Not a good idea. I think the 80 GB was still popular and it was the most complete system. I hope for their sake they are halting it until they are completely out of the red (or the black), or that they are really working on that rumored SKU. Me? I don't really care. Got my 60 GB since Dec 06 and I will change it for nothing.

FP_slomo788

JustThisGuy

ceilingFANBOY

TheHun

Tale

Teiris2355

Sky san

comedy

You can still pick up a game console and play. You speak of the old days? In the old days when you wanted to play an NES game, you used an NES. When you wanted to play an SNES game you used an SNES. When you wanted to play an N64 game you used an N64. Don't act like this is anything new...

LittleBigPlaneteer

davrone