Is that enough to convince anyone i'm not biased?

Maybe the fact i've just ordered a PS3 due to wanting a BD player + it's great line up of exclusives this year.

So, with that out of the way I can safely say that at least in the video the 360 is way superior. those that say there is barely any difference or that this videos are pointless/useless I suggest you get your eyes tested and don't go working in any area that requires you actually take notice of what's happening.

Most prominent points:

. In the panning distance view the 360's distant mountains have detailed textures with varied lighting and also have more vegetation.

.The ps3 version has what looks like non descript 'black' mountains and far less vegitation on the ground.

.Pausing at anytime around that scene shows that while the player model and close up models are virtually identical on both formats the environment is lacking visually on the PS3 version.

.On the animation with the small dino attacking the character the frame rate is smoother on the 360.

.The overall lighting (Not black levels or contrast) appears more natural on the 360.

Sorry but everything about that video shows an advantage to the 360 and not just a 'very minor one'.

However, as the 360 is possibly the most unreliable console ever made means I don't care about those differences, especially coming from Turok's developer who lets face it has barely made the 360 version look like current gen so wouldn't expect them to put in the extra work to make the PS3 version look as good/better.

Sony's first party titles and the FEW quality X-Platform games coming out now and within the next year will show the PS3 has comparative quality.

With that said, it's pretty obvious the 360 has more instantly usable/flexible power which counts for a lot to many 'non first party' developers who exist on quick ports.

There are pros and cons to both consoles and increasingly both format's games. Things are getting better for PS3 but I doubt it will every truly 'lead the way' graphically on multiplatform games, the GPU in the 360 is just that bit stronger to make it easier to keep performance up.

So please no flaming, i've tried to be as fair to both formats as possible while remaining objective. I've got a ps3 on order and I've owned a couple of 360s (because they kept dying) but had enough of the 'risk and stress' of RROD so called it a day. I will take reliability and quality over 'slighty better graphics in some games' because even the 360 couldn't compete graphically with my fast PC on x-platform games but that didnt' stop me enjoying the 360 versions so the same applies to the PS3 versions in comparison to the 360.

More important that the minor differences are the frame rates and smoothness (and aliasing) which have typically gone in the 360's favour so far. Hopefully this year it will even out and with some of Sony's exclusives, surpass what the 360 has shown, not through the console being any more powerful but through developers learning and pushing it for all it's got.

Sharpfish

The sensitivity of the look function always seems to be off no matter what setting it's at.

The damage received by the enemy soldiers is very inconsistent making this feel more like a 'game'. For example; in hard mode, one arrow in the body will take most soldiers down but it will take a whole lot of bullets from a chain gun.

Quite often you'll through an alternate fire pulse grenade at a soldier, they'll watch it roll, pause, shout "grenade", fly 20 feet in the air only to get up like nothing happened! One soldier took three grenades before taking the courtesy of leaving his mortal coil, this generally leaves the user only using grenades as a distraction.

A lot of the weapons feel weak; they are generally omitted as serious options when you have to face a group of three or more.

In some areas you'll be faced with endlessly spawning enemies until you enter a trigger area. While the trigger events add flair to Turok here they do not feel seamless.

I understand that in a game you want to be the hero taking everyone out (something that COD4 often failed in during the SAS missions) however, having numerous able bodied team members sit back and tell you to take down the giant enemy tank while they share marguerites and tales of times gone by becomes somewhat frustrating after your eight attempt. In fact, this happens in numerous sections of the game, company Whisky seems to be the worst 'elite' team of all time.

While being thrown on ground dinosaurs grenades and rockets is a cool feature it starts to become somewhat jarring. Noting the earlier tank battle; you'll run behind a wall where he doesn't have line of sight on you and whammo! A shell has sent you flying into the middle of the field! By the time the smoke and your blurred vision have gone allowing you to see where you are whammo, another shot sends you flying again! You are left completely disorientated not knowing where you are or which way you're facing, the grey rocks all look exactly the same, by the time you realise you're looking down the wrong end of the tank's turret you're screen goes red and you have to try again!

Despite these frustrations, Turok is, as I said, a good game. Recommended if you have a fancy for Dinos and guns.

beddo

elislider

Shin-Kaiser

It's freaking Turok

drawp

Sugaray

No you aren't, you have Turok!

SFLegend

McKack

SupaPhly

FlapDangerous

elranchero69

Muisee

I tend to leave my game systems on and that fan is the only thing that tells me to turn off the system.

See, I can pick something entirely irrelevant to the question of graphics and harp on it too...

Edge of Blade

McKack

npa189

reptile168

KevinMassacre

PaulHunter

Riven

zerokoolpsx

However, I could crap all over GameTrailers anyway - for several reasons. One being their poor video compression.

If you want to do a comparison, then don't screw around and give us native, uncompressed material.

Jandlecack

KEELr

CyberG4

LordChris915

JackTretton

InEffectMode

floppylobster

ez054098

InEffectMode

Irenicus-the one and only

Ghostm

Anyway these comparisons only show that Gametrailers is full of shit and that Kotaku has some gullible staff. How can you compare two things and say "we left them at factory settings for the comparisons", instead of using them fully, then expect people to take them seriously?

Volomon

Beside gametrailer, meh I don't trust them that much. Their review is super awkward for most games anyway. But again it's my favorite website for watching game trailers. But their opinions.. they just don't count at all.

Playstation

Tei

Irenicus-the one and only

SAKY

All the comparisons show are who are idiots, and that the initial setup for PS3 needs to be optimized. If only everyone had a brain.

Volomon

TOCATL

nemesiscw

joelface

Irenicus-the one and only

ocalot

Mpalm.

MaxVest

Yin

I know, but those settings are reliant on capable TV hardware, and cannot be judged through this process.

I have a PS3, i have an RGB full capable TV, i have 1.3 HDMI cables. It looks stunning in comparison to default. having properly calibrated the TV helps a great deal also.

I cant see how captured video from HDMI can display those differences.

Accordion

But as Burguois pointed out, we don't know if super-white affects games or not. Sony only mentions video in the manual.

And as I mentioned, it looks like they did enable RGB full-range for the comparison.

MaxVest

RaepGoblin

RaepGoblin

moremeds

@ACCORDION: yea, i know it makes no sense to have the analog stick higher up, when both ur thumbs are located in the same place, but Msft had to put the analog stick there due to patent issues with Sony.

imaballa

RaepGoblin

I meant that because there is no TV in this setup how can settings which require specific capabilities of recent TVs be tested?

Accordion

ReignFury

Centy

BTW, PS3 games do not look washed out on my TV like some of the non-Full-RBG vids look, so I always assumed that my TV did not support Full-RBG so it looks normal. I also have never found a super-white setting on my TV.

fulgore66

If the fanboys have a war over this game, they truly need to get a life.

Billkwando

Personally I dont like the PS3s either for FPSes. The analog sticks like you said "slip", the placement of both in the middle feels unatural, and finally I hate the new triggers for L2 / R2.

Everything else not an FPS I love the PS3 controller for.

Witzbold

My TV allows me to set 3 different presets per connection, so I have a "standard" "cinema" and "vivid" configured to my likings for both systems. I followed an HDTV calibration DVD for setting the standard setting and both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 had to be tuned way differently.

I noticed that Halo 3 looked like crap on my 50 inch TV at 720p, but every game on The Orange Box looked sweet.
Unfortunately, my Xbox is a first wave 360, so it doesn't use an HDMI cable for 1080p like the PS3 does. And my stupid TV doesnt take vga.

By the way, does anyone know if I can connect the Xbox360 VGA cable to a VGA to DVI converter connected to my TV without much loss in quality?

StevenRafael

Oh yeah and some textures did look maybe 5% nicer on the PS3. Also looks like the draw distance? on the PS3 on that cliff scene was a litte farther, not as muddy as on the 360.

Granted the scene with the T-Rex though looked nicer on the 360 to me though. Plus the blood was more visible when he was shooting the thing. Im guessing that has to do with the brightness though.

So I guess what really matters is just which console you want to play it on.

Witzbold

And my last point still stands. Joystick ftw. =D

Setzer IIDX

One way is to use the PS3 browser to look at the color chart here: [www.spitelords.net] and adjust your TV so you can see the squares.

Another suggests that it's an HDMI-only issue, and switching to component cables should solve the problem.

MaxVest

These things were fun when all ps3 games looked shite, now 360 and ps3 look basically the same

Will we still have to look at these in 3-4 years? :(

Fluffy22

baked ham

ChiChi_BBQ

BG916

imaballa

From other comments, it sounds like my TV should support it, but the results are not good for me. Any thoughts?

fulgore66

RonJeremy4Pres

BloodStainedVendetta

Leading on PS3 means the ENTIRE project takes more work, but the port is easier, meaning it is easier to stay on schedule, but the entire schedule is longer and more costly. This is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It means making less titles, and its even harder to get approval for projects, etc. etc. and is top-down more difficult to do.

If you've got a seasonal title, like EA Madden yearly-roster-update, it could justify leading on PS3 because launch timing is so critical to sales performance, or beating 2k out with your NBA game. Launch delays are known to be deadly on sales numbers, so being as 'safe' as possible pays off here.

Leading on X360 means the entire development is faster/cheaper, but the port to PS3 is potentially a bitch, which introduces a relatively large unknown near the end, which can throw off your launch date. If your project can bear risk of delay, or your experience managing cross platform releases leads you to believe that there won't be port problems, this is the better way to go, because your entire game will cost less.

In short, it is not as simple as you think it is.

ludwigk

Which looks like a fair comparison to me.

MaxVest

Well, that native American got cock slapped, which of course killed him, then he passed on his... Turok ways to ANOTHER Native American who is commanded by some intergalactic-space-bulimic, but that isn't important, what IS important is the fact that the brash younger Native American filling in for the other guy ALSO gets cock slapped, but doesn't die right away, he gets possessed by some sort of parasitic STD apparently, then the fate of the world is sorta tossed down in front of 2 MOAR Native Americans, one's a gurl, so... something something, titties, and other one's a BOII LOL!

So this time around they have to keep killing monsters from other dimensions until they "get it", I guess, because, you know, that's what Native Americans do, Hunt dinosaurs, kill monster bugs/aliens/cyborg texans/oppressive future government enforcers/I Don't even know what in god's name is going on anymore, so, yea... so... fuck, they eventually find that other native American, the one that got cock slapped AFTER the first one, but didn't die, just got wurms, so of course, wurms make you crazy, and he tries to kill the 2 newer Native Americans, but fails, because, again, wurmz, then before finally biting it, he tells the female Native American she is having someone's baby, or some insane shit like that, not sure if incest is involved, I dunno... sure, ok, I don't see why not.

And then I don't even know what happens after that... something about moar monsters trying to... invade somewhere... I think they were trying to beat the U.S. to Iraq and conquer Compton, and of course, a Native American has to TCB LOL, but no females Native American this time :(

Bando

Thanks for using references.

MaxVest

MS put this feature in because so many HDTV's handle black and whites differently. This takes the tv's methods out of the equation and displays the image how its meant to be seen. Not all TV's support it though, most of the good ones do, all Sony's and Sharps made in the last 2 years support it...it makes a huge difference in games and movies.

parad0x360

ncsbert

"The Xbox 360 controller's D-pad also delivers an inconsistent performance that is exacerbated by the speed of the game. "
"There's no reason to play with a handicapped D-pad, poor online lag and sore losers that disconnect. Find an arcade."

imaballa

fulgore66

To be honest, I was more interested in the Vegas 2 video they had linked at the end of the clip.

J-Fro

baked ham

No argument on that point Kyle. I was referring to the controllers in general, as I have only played the 360 version of Turok.

aka Bitter

kingclip

mind in rewind

Maybe it's just you that doesn't like XBox's DPad for fighters?

...Arcade stick FTW

Setzer IIDX

@Burguois: But the video above is HDMI. As is my connection. So... I'm not sure what you mean. If it were a component video, then yes, RGB would be the only one that makes a difference.

MaxVest

sascha23

Kyle81

imaballa

evslin

<3

tamago007

As a matter of eprsonal opinion, the 360 controller with it's concave analog sticks and triggers are significantly more comfortable. My fingers tend to slip on the Sixaxis sticks and especially the L2/R2 triggers.

On the matter at hand, I just gave up on Turok in frustration due to it's lack of brightness/gamma adjustment. I just couldn't see the damn spider tank and I refuse to change my calibrated TV. Damn you Turok! =)

aka Bitter

Correct. Is it even worth the effort of comparing this game on different consoles?

KrsJin

The reason the PS3 delayed it was also said best buy them. They know what they did wrong. Here's the quote:

"you lead on the PS3, you don't have any problems taking that and moving it to the 360. But if you lead on the 360, and duplicate it on the PS3 it can be a little bit more challenging, and for us as an Unreal engine game, our lead platform was the Xbox 360 and that's why it took a little bit more effort at the end to the PS3 comparable to the 360. But that's something we planned for knowing that the 360 would be our lead platform."

So even though they knew it would take longer if they made the 360 the lead, they still did it anyway? Yeah real bright developers we got there. To all future developers, just make the PS3 the lead and port over to the 360. Games wll come out quicker, and everything will look the same.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Unless it explicitly said it doesn't apply to games somewhere?

-Not being rude, just seeking clarification. Good source citing. ;)

Setzer IIDX

But I do resent laboring under a false impression, and that is what I got from the GT comparisons. I actually did hold off getting a PS3 for a while because the contrast looked so bad in the GT videos. Then I felt stupid when I realized for most people, there would be no discernible difference.

Either a gamer has an older TV that doesn't support SB/RGB, at which point both consoles would look the same, or a gamer has a newer TV that does support SB/RGB, at which point both consoles would look the same if the options were enabled.

MaxVest

A turd on any other console smells just as shitty.

Thank you, I'm here all night.

SuedeGopher

The only one that would have absolutely any difference in games is RGB full-range
[manuals.playstation.net] (RGB full-range)

[manuals.playstation.net] (Superwhite)

Superwhite at the very least is a placebo, RGB FR less so.

Burguois, Teabagger of Olde

rebelphoenix

MoogPaul

The tightness in the sticks is much better for preceision, and the sticks on the 360 pad are super comfortable. However, I am much better at CoD4 on the PS3 for some reason, and given that they perform identically, I gotta chalk it up to the controller. Resistance also plays juuuust fine on the PS3 pad.

The Katamari series is much easier to handle on the PS controllers too - I keep going off to the right on the 360 one, no matter how much my brain's telling the thumbs to push straight up. Not an FPS, but an observation.

As for the video, I really don't know how these PS3 videos end up looking so washed out so much of the time. I never have that problem on my own PS3, and actually prefer its black levels to those of my 360, using a 42" 1080p native Philips panel. But on the internet, all PS3 videos seem very washed out. I picked up Turok on the 360 though for Achievements, which I'm suddenly interested in earning after 2 years plus of 360 gaming (took 2 years to get to 5,000, and in the past week I'm up to over 7,200), and because the reviews all made it sound like the differences were drastic.

Haven't played it yet through, as I'm trying to clear out the stack, but I'll pop this game in between longer titles, since it should be nice and short, but hopefully as fun as my co-workers think it is so far.

tayaya

I dont think it actually matters, RGB full and super white are enabled by the TV if it supports them, surely with a capture there is no TV to pass through. If the HDMI data is captured for hosting then the settings will not effect the picture [will they?]

Either way, colour correction should be done on the TV as all TVs handle inputs differently. These videos should be used [if anything] for texture, framerate, effects and not for colour, brightness, contrast which are all dependent on the TV more than the console.

Accordion

SigmundTheSeaMonster

cb_32

SuedeGopher

wild_world_girl

Game Trailers and Kotaku: We'll never let the fanboy wars die!

iamnotdryad

fulgore66

Kyle81

Trowble (XBL/PSN)

lol consoles

tamago007

iamnotdryad

That should be their motto.

EnigmaNemesis

Stormrider

The PS3 version caused the game to be delayed:
[www.canada.com]

Queasy

But for most people with HDMI-capable TVs, this isn't a problem and enabling these options will result in a picture with a better contrast ratio and truer color.

MaxVest

i have never understood what makes the higher placement of the left analog stick better, both my thumbs are in the same place in relation to my hand so either move both analogs are none.

Accordion

RastaSega

grandmastersexay

Same here. I prefer the 360 controller to the PS3's controller. It feels better to me.

FrigidAir44

Stormrider

I believe they are using default settings unfortunately, but some here will probably say that's more fair.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Akmed

Nintenboy01

FrigidAir44

If they're still doing side-by-sides with the default settings, then these are pretty meaningless to me.

MaxVest

Teiris2355

Winterbringer

Seems like the 360 controller is just what you get, after avoiding all of Sony's patents.

imaballa

goldwings

But if they're MORE alike than Orange box, we're getting into the "you are an asshat for caring" territory. Turok = same. COD4 = same. Rock Band = same. DMC = same... no need to waste time even attempting to nitpick differences with titles this close.

I'm crossing my fingers that Lost Planet's crap port will be the last time we see a multiplayer game with differences actually worth talking about and they're all just "pretty much the same" from here on out.

Padriac

logicaldefense

LittleBigPlaneteer

ibelli

DigitalHero

LittleBigPlaneteer

chiefpoopingpants

That is bullshit, explain how the hell does the Xbox 360 looks fine during the intro and then too bright in actual gameplay as the PS3 is exact the opposite ...

Drakron

AlreadyDead

ara

iao_

zerorules44

JerrD74: ..drawing a blank

symphony_of_the_night

S'all I gotta say about that.

Setzer IIDX

Sean Bryant

Fan those flames of war!

Sean Bryant

ruba-dub-dub

SupaPhly

Get over it Kotaku! Start making real stories.

tehmark

This was brought up when the original Xbox hit and the PS2, and people wondered why they had to adjust their contrast for the two.

Japan uses different standards than the US for black references. And since each console is made with their standards in mind.. you get this effect.

EnigmaNemesis

multimoog

EnigmaNemesis

Jandlecack