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Another PS3 Game Has A Mandatory 5GB Install?

shanequednau — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:26:09 MST

hmm., 5GB install huh. :? The HDD in the PS3 is formatted in FAT32... FAT32 can't have any one file larger than 4GB on it. ...so how is it installing 5GB, unless the game is broken into two seperate files or it doesn't actually download the whole thing.

shanequednau

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coloral — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:23:53 MST

devil may cry

coloral

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valkyriex — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:24:06 MST

@dowingba:

Mass Effect had terrible loading issues though. I can't walk around for longer than 10 seconds without the loading icon coming up and causing a slight lag.

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valkyriex — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:12:48 MST

@Ignatius:

I agree with you there. Mass Effect was a great game, but all the constant loading and lag was extremely annoying. There're pros and cons to everything. If all that load time can be eliminated by a 5gb install, 20-min is a small price to pay.

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Gigith — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 02:40:56 MST

The UMD runs slower than the DSs carts, CDs run slower than carts, blurays run slower than DVDs. I'm find with installing games if I want it to load faster but please only make me do it when I HAVE to to get the game to work.

However I do install every P33 game I own when it gives me the option to, but sometimes friends come over, sometimes they brings games, I'd rather not have to wait 20 minutes to have fun with my friends.

Gigith

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Erwin — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 21:53:17 MST

Yes this is late, but...
@dowingba: The problem with seemless is you get stutters in the game and texture pop, like in Halo 2, Mass Effect, and to a notably lesser degree, Gears of War. Some games shouldn't have to worry about such things though. I would prefer a nice halfway point like dv8godd suggested. Until then developers, can we just have basic loading sceen?
@Irenicus-the one and only: God, that sucks.

Erwin

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lamebrain — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:07:16 MST

there's always hot shots golf 2

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yashichi8bit — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:07:35 MST

Yeah, and Sony keeps shrinking the hard drive capacity on the PS3 at the same time.

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resetbutton — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:31:21 MST

after downloading the 5gb for dmc4. i didn't noticed any "faster" loading time. it was the same to me. look at uncharted, no loading time ever.

resetbutton

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kylenalepa — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:52:15 MST

Huh? I don't remember installing my copy of Minna no Golf 5, but I did buy it way back when it came out in Japan (July, maybe? August?), so I may just not remember.

kylenalepa

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moofrank — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:14:38 MST

Remember when Sony was criticizing the "last generation" DVD player in the 360? The one whose slow i/o rate and space would cause them problems?

The only way that the Xbox 360 can get the extra space and speed of the advanced Sony Blu-Ray player is to install the program onto the hard drive. So we are pretty much seeing solid examples of how accurate Sony's marketing is on the issues with the 360 DVD drive.

Oh....wait....that's....all...wrong...isn't...it. Except for that last line. Sony's got some 'splaining to do.

moofrank

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jhiaxus — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:47:29 MST

You didn't hear that the 5 GB install was a new feature that allows users to pause the game and take upskirt photos of all the women?

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bobtheduck — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:38:15 MST

Good thing I'm not close with my Hot Shots Golf obsessed friend either, because I'd rather not have a mandatory install for any game... Except, maybe, MGS4... I don't have the room for mandatory installs right now. NGS was, like, 3.5 gig install, though, so I suppose I could delete that, but I'd love to beat that game... Someday.

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MorganX — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:11:31 MST

Actually, I don't mind. Especially since I popped in a 120G HD for $80 that's has 8x the chache and is 50% faster than the 40G it came with. If it eliminates load times what's 20 mins one time install. I actually wish the Xbox did this more, faster is always better, and I wish replacing the Xbox HD was a quick, simple, and cheap as it is on the PS3. Wait, I have to buy MS' overpriced 120G (I did) have no other choice.

MorganX

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fuchikoma — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:30:44 MST

What?
Yesterday this wasn't an issue - DMC is a big, cinematic series, but for Hot Shots Golf?! WTF? No longer considering getting that game now. It's a freaking golf game! 5GB should encompass the entire thing!

In case I wasn't overreacting enough, consoles are almost dead as we know them. Hardware upgrades (nothing new I suppose), tons of software patches, half-done games that you have to buy the rest of them (or pay to unlock from the disc!) as DLC, and now having your hard drive clogged up by mandatory installations! What's next, driver conflicts? Manually correcting IO addressing issues? How about multiple main OSes and certain games that only run on each one? Jeez...

fuchikoma

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phalanges — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:18:40 MST

Wow, I bit my tongue when people were complaining about the measly 20 minute wait for DMC4. Now people are complaining again. You complainers probably spend more time on the toilet dropping a deuce each day. Go do chores around your home while you d/l it. Go talk to your significant other while it d/ls. Go read articles on Kotaku while you wait. Man, people love to complain. It's done for a reason, to help speed up loading time.

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lamebrain — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:04:11 MST

i don't understand why everyone is getting all huffy... it is the first console to do this... so its a bad thing? its the same as a PC! can't get your fix fast enough? go drink some mountain dew or something.

lamebrain

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Irenicus-the one and only — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:54:39 MST

[youtube.com] Oh oh, PS3 in for big failures? I hope not!

Irenicus-the one and only

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Jay — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:56:13 MST

I don't get this.. a games console is a games console...
who cares if the game runs off the disk, internal HDD or installs to HDD..
SURELY, it's about the quality of the game itself.. not how it installs... if you have to wait 20 mins for the install then fine.. I just don't get what all the fuss is about..

Jay

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fulgore66 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:48:11 MST

@Snappywave: "I have linux/yellow dog, videos, pictures, demos and download games on my PS3. ... The ps3 is not a pc. "

Sounds like a PC to me...

Sorry, it was too hard to pass up. ;)

fulgore66

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TRT-X — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:42:40 MST

@ssjmichael:
And as people have been saying for the past 100 comments or so...the install time isn't the problem

TRT-X

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Lain — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:41:33 MST

@Snukadaman_: distribution centers are now in california, texas, pittsburgh, and tampa. I live in NYC.. so the shipping is like a day. And the Manhattan post office is lightning quick. i receive my games nearly next day.

Lain

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charsuipau — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:17:18 MST

Ah its a valid complaint, people play consoles rather than pcs to avoid the hassle of having to upgrade hardware to play more games.

Its the kind of thing on pc where you can only play whatever game is installed, and you can only have installed as many games as your HD can hold, + whatever other junk has been stuck on to the HD not related to games, or even game related like save files.
Crysis save files actually eat away disturbingly quickly my HDD space on my pc, they're huge....

It makes total sense, out of HDD space? uninstall a game to install the new one, if all of a sudden you want to go back and play the game you uninstalled? then you have to reinstall again, great and time consuming...

Installed games also brings one other thing to the table that PC games have, which is game patches to fix bugs.

Consoles traditionally have less bugs than PC games, because console game makers know that once a game is released thats it, they can't fix it unless they exchange discs, which means they make a much bigger effort(financially and work wise) in releasing bug free games compared to making PC games.

So yes it is a worrying trend, there'll be the temptation of devs houses to release bugged games with mandatory HDD install because they know they can just fix it later though a patch fix.

Also the hassle of uninstalling and reinstalling, will ALSO consist of the time it takes to download latest patches to apply them again or for the first time...

Also kind a moots the so called 'necessity' of Blu-Ray to play High Def games...

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Tanod — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:56:14 MST

Really!? Another story about a game that has a mandatory install? This is what happens when trolls run out of good ideas.

Anybody who thinks this is a bad thing is either too dumb to know that if/when your hard drive gets full, you delete stuff, or they are a person who is still butt-sore from the 360 not having a standard hard drive. WAH WAH WAH

Seriously, this is a completely bullshit complaint.

The press sure as hell didn't complain when Oblivion came out with a 4.5 GB install a year ago. They just said it had better load times and better looking textures. Why complain now?

Tanod

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Kyle81 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:04:00 MST

@KEELr: Whats this 3rd game you speak of? Also majority of PS3 owners have 60-80gb units so its not that big of deal.

Nor do I own any of these games that require manditory installs so I'm fine. I'll be pissed when my HDD is full, if it ever doesn.

Kyle81

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Lachoy — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:59:14 MST

@KEELr: No. They just have a way bigger HDD :)

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KEELr — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:54:02 MST

So within a week now, we know about 3 new games that require a mandatory install?

Still the Sony loyals see no big deal in this.. I guess they dont buy alot of games

KEELr

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Irenicus-the one and only — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:14:26 MST

The Japanese version had this? Maybe asked and answered but first time I heard of it. And yes, it is a bad trend if the size will be 5gb each time and have long install times plus everygame having it. Maybe Hard drive enables lazy devs? But I am happy that there is a possibility for the devs and games to make it, as opposed to the 360.

But it should not EVER be mandatory, time to firmware that BD read speed Sony? Hmm.

Also, people, calm down a bit, that goes to both "camps".

Irenicus-the one and only

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sqlrob — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:53:43 MST

@Korbei: The problem isn't it being use, the problem is it being used *poorly*.

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Snappywave — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:19:35 MST

I have linux/yellow dog, videos, pictures, demos and download games on my PS3. I am kind of running out of space on my 60 gb ps3. Mandatory game installs is starting to annoy me.

The ps3 is not a pc.

Snappywave

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Korbei — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:15:06 MST

The HDD is in the PS3 to install game components.. thats why it exists.. why is it suddenly a problem that its being used? The problem is that it took this long.. whiny idiots...

Korbei

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$Bill$G$ — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:03:52 MST

This is bullshit. Stream to a small hdd cache if you want to, but why load the whole damn game onto the drive? A story-driven game you may not get to the end of for days or weeks, why not just load as you go? This is just lazy pee-cee mindset coding. This is not 'next gen' at all.

Not likely to buy any golf game (god the real thing is dull enough), but i probably wont buy dmc4 either - never played it on ps2 so i wont miss it, but i might've given it a go if it wasn't for this rubbish.

$Bill$G$

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VakeroRokero — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:45:41 MST

is a simple game requires 5GB how much space would Metal Gear or Gran Turismo require? what happens if you don't have the space available, can you still play it?

VakeroRokero

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Sugarbloodsuckers — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:18:45 MST

Two games is considered a trend now?

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Zepultura — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:02:57 MST

wheres the outcry from Japan where the game is already available? Same with DMC... They seem to not mind it at all when the experience afterwards is well. But here in "OMFG I WANT AND DESERVE IT NOW"-land its a complaint.

Crysis took how long to install?
Ninja Gaiden Sigma took some time as well.
FFXI took how long to install on PS2?!?
WoW takes over an hour if youre starting from scratch... hasnt hurt that game has it?
Burnout Paradise takes 10 minutes due to download/update times...

So sensationalizing this whole scenario is a joke. And last I checked SCEA or SCEx was Sony Computer Entertainment region.

Zepultura

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bysty — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:55:00 MST

Wow... that is a terrible idea. I've got the 80 GB so I'm not too worried, but what about the 20 GB users? If they have 4 games with mandatory installs, then they are screwed.

It needs to be an option. It is a cool idea for sure. But it absolutely needs to be an option.

bysty

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dowingba — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:46:45 MST

@dv8godd: I think one major issue here is that, why should the load times be a problem in the first place? I'm pretty sure all load times could be successfully hidden and/or take place in the background while you play, regardless of Blu-Ray or DVD or cartridge or whatever.

Look at Gears of War. It's easily one of the best looking games out there and yet, other than one initial load time when you first start the game (and a short one, at that) you can play through the entire game without ever seeing another load time, ever, period. And they don't even "hide" load times in elevators a-la Metroid Prime or Mass Effect.

On the other side of the spectrum, look at GTA: San Andreas. The game takes place in an absolutely GIGANTIC world that you can roam around seemlessly without ever encountering a load time (unless you're entering a building). After one initial load time when you start the game (which I'm actually pretty sure most of the time is taken to load your saved file data) you can roam around an area over twice the size of Toronto without ever having to stop and admire a loading screen.

If these things are possible, then why the hell do any games ever need load times? The answer is: devs are lazy and they aren't finding ways to mask these load times or stream them while you play.

dowingba

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dv8godd — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:41:12 MST

@reptile168: I think they say that for tax reasons more than anything else. There's a grey zone between what a corporation tells "governments" in order to keep import taxes low and "customers" in order to gain market share.

Though Sony is quick to point out, to those interested (like hobbyists and politicians), that the PS3 is a capable Linux box...

... they don't exactly sell it as one to the general public.

In either event, its "computer" aspect is not the PS3 OS anyway. Trying to install custom content into UT3 is clue enough of that, in case there was a doubt.

dv8godd

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Kenofthedead — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:38:16 MST

Of course they are computers, just as the Gameboy, your calculator, my cell phone, Ashcraft's digital watch, Al Gore's iPod Touch, and the others are.

Sony was saying PS2 and PS3 were computers in the same category as Personal Computers.

Kenofthedead

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kathartik — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:37:42 MST

I remember when I got skate, it had to install for at least a good 10-15 minutes, and no one even batted an eyelash about it, now a couple of more games do it and it's a huge deal? why? it's not like it's every single time you load the game, just the first time. if it's that big a deal, go play it on 360 (in the case of DMC4, anyways).

Whenever I hear stories like this, it sounds like an attempt to fuel fanboy fires...

kathartik

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reptile168 — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:23:04 MST

@blackadvent:

Sony always said that playstation 2 and 3 are computers

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dv8godd — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:13:58 MST

@Erwin: I think for me, as far as "improvement in qualtiy" is concerned...

There is this tiny sliver of something so subtle as timing/added delay that bruises the experience. If an install, even mandatory, is able to push load times to such a level that the experience remains a constant flow, then I'm all for it.

I think the sweet spot for that is somewhere between DMC4 and Mass Effect... if you'll allow me a bit of room to explain.

I get the feeling (I don't own it yet and haven't installed... so I'm talking out my ass here) that DMC4's method is to put the whole game onto the drive to reduce the "time" of loading to extremely low times. It is my belief that this was done to get past the data access limitations of a Blu-Ray drive running at 1x or 2x (more data, but slower seek speeds than current DVD drives). Basically, something of a necessary evil in order to keep the experience from being broken.

But Mass Effect took a different route. They animated the load areas to be elevators and slow doors that tried to "hide" the load times, but sometimes broke the illusion by simply screwing the pooch.

While either extreme is hardly an ideal solution, between the two: we find something potentially good.

If we can have games that dump "less" to the HDD overall, just the bits that help the load "times" get somewhat shorter... AND we can have them "feel" shorter by hiding them behind smoke and mirrors (like ME tried to)... then I think we'll find a nice middle ground that keeps the player constantly engaged.

But beyond all of that?

Yeah, Hot Shots is a golf game. Golf is a game of individual maps, not constant, uninterrupted experience. They should be able to mask those load times more like Mass Effect with stat screens and upcoming hole maps. There is absolutely no need for seamless experience here.

dv8godd

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Pai Pai Master — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:13:06 MST

Welcome to last year? We got over it back when the game launched in Japan...it's not a big deal.

Pai Pai Master

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joelface — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:12:39 MST

the main problem i see is that it takes up a LOT of the space available on my hard drive.

hard-drive space isn't free, and its kind of a bitch if you haven't boughten a terabite of space when you can't keep all your movies and music on your ps3 because you have to install 5 gbs for all the new games you buy.

sure, right now its not bad, its just two games.. but if it starts happening more often, then YES, i do think thats a negative trend.

... it should be an OPTIONAL install in the cases where you want to cut down on loading and whatnot for a select few of your most favorite games.

joelface

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Interwebs — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:11:51 MST

@DeLoRtEd1:

Your PS3 is locked while it's installing, it's not like a PC where you can go install a game (either a few second wait with compressed zips or full size installer programs) and go play a flash game on the web while you install a game.

What the failure here is the slow Blu-Ray Drive and amount of memory (ram) of the PS3 and generally all consoles.

It's kind of stupid to make a installer for a console game, since I just want to pop it in and play for a bit, not friggin wait, I'm seeing PCs are more like Consoles since Steam came out, click it and play [downloads alittle then streams the rest as you play the game], while Consoles are [25% of 51200000 bytes installing, please go grab a sandwich or take a shower]... more like short coming PCs.

Interwebs

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Silenthillnight — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:11:28 MST

@bangz:
I'm with you on this one, there are too many whiny people complaining about installing a game. Damn, Warhawk is an installed game? Socom is gonna be an installed game? I don't see anyone complaining about those 2. If you're worried about space, learn to stream your media and stop hording your porn on your ps3s.

Silenthillnight

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bluesquareapple — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:10:12 MST

I say the next generation of consoles just has an obscene amount of RAM and processing power, and in a linear game, developers can just start loading the next zone before you leave the current one. Then we won't have to argue about this.
We could always revert to solid state storage for our games. That's another way we won't have to worry about loading or install times. If a game fills a Blu-Ray disc it will only be a minimum of $500 to fill the average SSD; but hey, at least we won't have install or load times..

Is the world seriously getting ADD so bad that a 5-10 second loading screen is so incredibly long that you forget what's happening or can't be bothered to sit there through the loading screen? That's what I'm gathering from this. Do people realize that you'd have to sit through some 500 loading screens for the 25ish minute install to equal out your time wasted? If you're never going to put this game down, maybe it's worth it for you. I don't know how long the game is or how many loading screens there are. The real question is: is the casual player (or one play-through) going to benefit from this?

bluesquareapple

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bangz — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 00:04:02 MST

Why do people complain about a 20 minute install for a game that'll have endless replayability? Every time you play online, the experience is different. The PS3 was given a hard drive for a reason. If you're that worried about space, save up $100 and buy a bigger hard drive down the road..

bangz

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Snukadaman_ — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:53:28 MST

@Lain: I haven't rented games from gamefly for awhile now...it also took long for newer titles...you got both versions of dmc4 for 2 different consoles? is it faster?

Snukadaman_

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Garo — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:53:27 MST

I have some news for you guys... OMG, EVERY PS3 game installs on the HD!

Garo

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Patient — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:53:15 MST

You know what? Kudos to Sony. I'm sorry, but I must tip my hat. The new SKU every 3 months is getting annoying, but they are obviously a bit nervous about the amount of space some of these games are taking.

Thats now 2 titles that take about 5 Gigs of space. What happens when someone has 10 of those games?

With Downloadable content in the mix they are obviously trying to avert disaster here by introducing Large HDD Skus BEFORE it becomes a serious problem.

Having a million screaming children complaining about having to uninstall games each time a new one comes out would be a RRoD of their own.

Killzone, MGS4... GoW... those will definitely be big installs as well. I have a 20 gig which means I can basically have 3 games of those sized games installed at one time with my own media in the thing as well. Shame.

Patient

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kahos — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:50:20 MST

I didnt know games would require as much space on the HDD when I bought my 40gb PS3. I only have 16gb left after 3 weeks of use and I dont have any media on my ps3 aside from a few PSN videos (6) and 2 demos. It adds up really quickly with games like DMC4 and Gt5 prologue taking 5gb each.

I didnt mind the 20 minutes install this one time but at the rate things are going, I only have space for 3-4 more of those kind of games before I start erasing/reinstalling data and I can't say im looking forward to that

kahos

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Spoony Bard — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:43:59 MST

OMG...over 200 comments? WHY?

Spoony Bard

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deathless — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:42:48 MST

When one is given a limited amount of resource, he would try to make the best use out of it.

However, when one is given a wealth of resource, he would only waste it.

deathless

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bornonce — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:42:41 MST

Stop complaining. Just transfer your game saves to either a memory stick or an external HDD, , put a 2.5" 250GB drive in the PS3, format the drive, transfer your game saves back to the new HDD. Problem solved.

I don't have any problems with game installs on the PS3, particularly if they make a more pleasing gaming experience. Every PS3 has a HDD, why not take advantage of it.

bornonce

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Allen750 — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:35:36 MST

... The first sentence of this post/article is what I agree with.

Allen750

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:33:24 MST

@idkmybffgreg: Heck ya!!

Sinnbox

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idkmybffgreg — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:30:54 MST

Virtual golf is serious business, guys. If you can't commit your time and hard drive space to it, you'll never be successful.

idkmybffgreg

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JackTretton — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:30:12 MST

in your ps3 eating all your diskspace

JackTretton

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:24:29 MST

@MrBionic: I think that it is a dumb idea, but I think that they are just trying to make the best out of a bad situation, Sony is going to have to get their act together, or they are going to end up like sega. (Don't get me wrong, I loved Sega, in my opinion the Dreamcast was one of my favorite systems save for the controller.)

Sinnbox

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nxp3 — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:23:42 MST

Wow..this is getting serious. I don't want to have to install every damn game I buy. We gamers have to voice our concerns or this will become the norm. The first game that I notice an annoying loading time was Virtua Fighter 5 for the ps3. And to this date, there's no update to fix the annoyances. Sega must hate the ps3...where's the love.

nxp3

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:23:08 MST

Anyway, I seriously need to do something else. It's been fun.

I'm going to take my idealism and go play a game or something. Ciao.

MrBionic

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:18:48 MST

@okenny :): No, I don't see it as the right choice at all. They've forced people to do something that could have easily been left as an open option, and your reasoning is that it's right because of some *backlash*? They're getting backlash *now*. Your analogy is also quite flawed. It's more akin to being given a burger fully-loaded without any input into the process, or being asked what kind of toppings you'd like on it. (and even that's slightly flawed).

I refuse to believe that companies are allowed to get a free pass on stupid decisions because the masses are idiots. Be the better company and make the better choice regardless.

MrBionic

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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:10:25 MST

@MrBionic: You keep thinking common sense is a factor here. When dealing with the masses, before truth, before reason, before common sense, you have to control perception. If you fail to do so, god help you. PR firm and focus group don't exist because people are willing to listen to reason. Capcom made the right choice in my opinion if a drastic performance hit was the only other option they had to offer... that's not a real option. It's kind of like those cheesy action movies where the hero tells a person "Come with me or die here!" as if that's a real choice.

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

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kevinski — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:09:38 MST

Anyone who actually defends this practice is a complete idiot. If you seriously don't mind paying $60 for unoptimized garbage, then go right ahead. I don't know if I'm more pissed at the devs or Sony because of this.

Seriously, how a freaking company can release shitty consoles with ridiculous technical flaws, only to have devs still - for some reason - flock to them, is simply baffling. And the fact that devs are willing to make themselves look like complete asses in their attempts to support it...disgusting.

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:09:14 MST

I should qualify my response to ssjmichael above with: "in order to play games on a system that was purchased with the expectation that you could just slap in a disc and play".

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:05:40 MST

@ssjmichael: It also takes a mandatory five gigabytes. See above for why this is a problem.

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:04:36 MST

@ssjmichael: because people, like me, don't think buying extra hard-drives should be forced decision down the road.

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LittleBigPlaneteer — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:03:10 MST

Also I read one comment about the Japanse version and it seems to have it too. That person said the install only takes about 10 minutes.

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LittleBigPlaneteer — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:02:02 MST

Why are people worrying about the built-in HD? The PS3 is easily expandable. Just plug an external HD in and just like that you have hundreds more gigs to play with. It's a non issue as far as I see it.

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brello — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:01:00 MST

@DoesNotEqual: That makes sense. Still, hopefully this is just a fluke and future titles will all have 'optional' installs.

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:59:58 MST

@okenny :): Oh, people would probably blame them, but I don't see Capcom (or any other company), being *worried* about it in any way. All they'd have to do is point out that you can install it if you're unhappy. Or not install it if you're unhappy about space.

That's the beauty of having a choice.

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:59:09 MST

@brello: I get the idea that when the 80GB's replacement is released, the 40GB PS3 will become the Sony equivalent of the Arcade system.

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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brello — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:57:43 MST

@DoesNotEqual: Haha yeah, that's probably true. But at 5GB a pop, the 40giggers aren't far off the endangered list! (this is assuming people put music, movies, photos, etc on their PS3 like it was designed for)

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:57:42 MST

@dowingba: I see that's not too bad, if i remember correctly EGM had a article abotu 2002 that said the PS3 would use a similar system, and that there woudl be 10mb/s internet everywhere in the US lol.

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:53:46 MST

@brello: I think the 20GB model is something Sony would like to sweep under the rug and hope people forget it ever existed.

If only Microsoft would follow that example about the Core/Arcade system...

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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:53:14 MST

@MrBionic: You are making the assumption that public opinion flows down the most logical path. Case in point: Th 360 has probably the most comprehensive set of parental control for any console or even media device out there at the moment. That doesn't stop Fox news from labeling it the "se"xbox. Video games have the lowest rate of being purchased by minors of all media yet politicians deem it as the one that's most accessible by minors. These are all illogical positions that have been taken by people who can influence the masses and hurt a brand or an industry. To say that if Capcom offered a choice, that people wouldn't blame them for any dissatisfaction they may have by picking the wrong one won't reflect negatively on Capcom is just being naive.

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

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LittleBigPlaneteer — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:52:46 MST

Wait wouldn't we have heard about this mandatory install a long time ago since the game was released in Japan a while back?

Does anyone own the Japanese version, or can find out if that required a mandatory install as well.

This is a shitty trend though. I don't care about the space really, but more about the time it takes to do it. And also the fact that's mandatory and not something optional like other games.

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peacefuloutrage — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:52:40 MST

@DoesNotEqual: LOL. Reading comprehension FTL!

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brello — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:52:17 MST

You'd think they'd avoid this sort of behavior when one of their consoles has a 20GB hard drive in it.

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dowingba — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:51:02 MST

@Sinnbox: I think there's potential in the "cloud computing" idea but not as a replacement for harddrives (or other onboard storage media). Think of it this way: you still have a 120gb (or whatever a "normal" sized HDD is in the future) but only the most recently or most commonly used data is actually stored on the 120gb HDD. The rest is stored on infinitely large central servers somewhere in the ocean or whatever, or on the moon. Basically this just means you'd have limitless storage space, and your HDD would kind of become another level of memory access between RAM and the servers.

And as for the "infinitely large" idea for servers, there is actual philosophy to back this up used in storage serving companies even today. It's hard to explain but basically you can serve infinite amounts of data by simply moving it around and knowing that the only way for your userbase to max out the data is if everyone in the world maxed out their non-existent storage limit at the exact same time. Which can't possibly happen, basically.

dowingba

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adolfo-gomez — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:49:11 MST

LOL! thanks to the craptastic BR drive read time - can not wait for that 50 gig bluray game everyone kept talking about, guess they will tell us to go bake a cake for that one

adolfo-gomez

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:46:27 MST

@mast3r_blast3r: Can install or must install? That's the crux of the discussion.

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:46:10 MST

@MrBionic: np

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peacefuloutrage — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:45:59 MST

@chos3n: Not really, because they could have made an install optional, so 360 owners with a HDD could install it for faster times.

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brello — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:45:47 MST

Manditory is a bit odd, but an optional install to cut loadtimes to almost none? I'd do that in a heartbeat.

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:45:07 MST

@Sinnbox: Oh. hehehe. Well, it sounded a lot like what I'd heard about on the radio, so commented on it. Also, getting a little over-tired here.

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:43:48 MST

@MrBionic: I actualy pulled all that out my ass, i was joking, i have heard of putting data on central servers, i personaly think the idea will suck for various reasons. It's a good idea, but a bad idea at the same time.

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:41:29 MST

@blackadvent: my friends mom made the cake from portal for a lan a few weeks ago...YM!!!!

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:40:37 MST

@Sinnbox: hehe.. you're talking about 'Cloud Computing'.. I think... which isn't exactly storing anything in the air, but on massive central servers all the time. I heard about this stuff on the radio. The end of personal HDDs, all your data stored elsewhere, accessible by your wireless accounts.

It's actually kind of frightening in a way.

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:40:20 MST

@Witzbold: you mean some hot ass blonde girl? yeaaah. thats exactly what you meant.

Anyway, i need to get to sleep. i gotta wake up early and go running. Trying to loose the winter pounds i caked on to keep warm. being a bear is tough.

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:39:42 MST

@dowingba: ya, the emulators, im not sure why they just didnt make a good emulator that woudl run most of the games. I think that if a game was made to chache, then it would have to.

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mast3r_blast3r — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:39:27 MST

Almost half of my games install data to the HDD.

Is this news?

mast3r_blast3r

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Witzbold — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:37:58 MST

@manjikengo: I still gotta get folklore. :x But shit theres just too much stuff on my plate as is! I keep hearing good things about that game tho and from what I understand its got some pretty spiff DLC too!

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:37:57 MST

@Nickatiah: No!! in the future data will be stored wirelessly in the air. The guys at gamestop told me so. all we will need is a tiny box that will wirelessly connect to to the net, it will have wireless controllers, games will be downloaded fron teh net, and installed into the air, you can breathe your game and fart it out, all kinds of crazy!!

Sinnbox

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Erwin — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:37:34 MST

@dv8godd: If it made a considerable increase in quality for DMC4, far fewer would complain. But yeah, this is a golf game! Why this gets an install and the 360 didn't have one for Mass Effect is beyond my reasoning. Unless it's the first open-world putt-putt game, I see no reason for its existence. The only effect I foresee is a slight delay until the inevitable pantsu videos.

Erwin

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blackadvent — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:37:07 MST

@Lain: Cake...mmm... now to share it with my Companion Cube. Who has not threatened to stab me.

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:36:55 MST

@Thorn: Ps3 developers are starting to FINALLY put AA within their games.

As pretty as Folklore is, those jaggies made me cry something fierce. Honestly, from checking out the ps3 and 360 versions at home when i had the ps3 on the game table the only differences between the two games were lighting for me.

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chantastic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:36:21 MST

@Sinnbox: No, most BR players don't have a HD. any player that does, though, has 250 megs of storage at least. Any player can play any discs, though, but if the player isn't 1.1 or 2.0 you won't get the special features that come on 1.1/2.0 discs (its mostly stupid garbage but its there).

@brent_w: Nah. I mean, Uncharted has no cache but also no load times. Insomniac games load a small amount to the HD, about 200-400 megs. The "slow BR speed" (which is overstated anyway, for a variety of reasons) does not account for 5 GIG installs.

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logicaldefense — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:36:16 MST

@manjikengo: I actually don't remember... whoops. But I'm pretty sure I sat through a long ass loading screen at the beginning of the game the first time it booted, which wasn't there after that one time.

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dowingba — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:36:06 MST

@Sinnbox: Is that true? I had assumed when you played them on the 360 they simply didn't cache the way they used to. Either way, another major reason you need the HDD is because Xbox 1 games are being software emulated and stuff has to be downloaded (at the very least, a new executable file, and probably some other software) for the games to work. I use the term "work" loosely though, as most games on the "compatibility list" that I own don't actually "work" very well.

dowingba

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:35:35 MST

@okenny :): That makes no logical sense whatsoever. If it's an option, and you're bitching about bad frame-rates because you refuse to *use* the option, that's just your own foolishness. No game company would care about whiners like that in any way, shape or form.

MrBionic

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Thorn — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:34:44 MST

Guys, thanks for the opinions on the PS3 version, much appreciated. :) I thought the 360 version had AA and AF, and the PS3 version didn't? Kinda thought that would pip the PS3 in terms of picture quality by default, but not the case?

Thorn

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:34:41 MST

@MrBionic: cake wasn't a lie. l2beatgaemz.

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Lain — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:34:40 MST

@MrBionic: And indeed it was.

/highfive

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Nickatiah — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:34:32 MST

Quit all the wining. This is next gen people. we will be stuck with this kind of crap in future gens too.

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Witzbold — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:34:29 MST

@Lain: Cool, no hard feelings mate!

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:33:56 MST

@dowingba: That's one reason why you have to have the HDD for many original xbox games to work on 360.

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chos3n — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:33:55 MST

They should do 2 options one with cached like DMC and the other none and then wait to see how much people will go with cache

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:33:30 MST

@Lain: but.. The cake is a lie.

(I can't believe I just went there)

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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:32:59 MST

Capcom might want to rename the game to "Fanboy May Cry 4"... Seriously, people love the shorter load times and yet they cry about loosing space. So it's mandatory but just how many would wail in the streets of the fanboy forums had developers read it from the blue ray drive and subjected players to horrible gitters from constant seeking on the optical disk. They are giving you a comparable experience to the 360 but no one wants to pay the tax. I'm sorry but if I was Capcom, I'd rather put up with this bitching then making it optional and have people from the 20 minutes camp and people from the choppy frame rate bitching at me. They made the best decision if you ask me by making it mandatory. If you don't like it then get the 360 version.

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

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Lain — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:31:35 MST

@Witzbold: Good point. To you I apologize.

To everyone else. I brought cake.

Anyway.. catch me on PSN. my name is Chineze Panda

Peace and goodnight everyone.

Lain

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:30:28 MST

@Lain: Agreed, I have the PS1 version, but a 360/PS3 version would be VERRNICE

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dowingba — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:30:22 MST

@Ecks: They did on the original Xbox. The first time you played a game it would load slower but at the same time it was caching data to the harddrive, making later load times much faster, etc. I believe the way it worked was, if you played two different games in the meantime, it would erase your cache for the first game and it'd have to recache to the harddrive when you play it again.

Basically there were always two games that had data caches on the Xbox harddrive, and it would just keep overwriting stuff as you played more and more games. Not a bad idea, and I never had to wait for an install or anything, and it speeded up load times, etc. And, the cache was done on a separate partition of the HDD so that it never interfered with your storage space.

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:30:01 MST

@brent_w: oooooh don't start on slow read speeds. genius tech advisers will chime in saying its only a little bit slower than current dvd standards.

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Witzbold — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:29:03 MST

@Lain: Lain your original comment was pretty much an attack at folks instead of looking at the more valid comments.

I agree with you on some of your other points which I appreciate the reply to, but your attitude is not a very good one. Perhaps its wrong wording, but my friend you really need to choose your words a bit more carefully with how things are said. You never know how many others of us here are also developers and all.

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:28:58 MST

@logicaldefense: required?

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:28:36 MST

@chos3n: Your continued patronage is appreciated.

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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brent_w — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:28:31 MST

I think developers are resorting to installs to get around the bottleneck caused by blueray's slow read speeds.

Sony sacrificed speed for storage with their blueray, and I feel it was a mistake.

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:28:27 MST

@Lain: uhm, check newegg right now for 300 gb laptop hdds.

Parasite Eve was one of those lost square properties. guess they forgot they own it. and bushido blade.

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chos3n — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:27:26 MST

@DoesNotEqual: Whatever you say kid.

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:26:50 MST

@Lain: It's a big deal if enough publishers take the same route. It's purely hypothetical, but we're hoping somebody with influence curtails the mandatory installations before they become the rule instead of the exception.

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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logicaldefense — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:26:35 MST

You know, I sometimes wonder if people didn't flip shit in the first place over DMC4's install, would anyone really be this anal over this topic? Assassin's Creed has an install, didn't get nearly as much blowback as this.

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:26:23 MST

@djricekcn: I'll buy that for games like DMC, but I seriously don't see how anyone can play fps titles and anything else that requires precise aiming and tight stick moement.

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Lain — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:26:18 MST

@manjikengo: Newegg.com bro.

But you got a good point.. Ive got my saves from Parasite Eve still on my ps1 cards...

Which raises another question..

WHY DONT THEY REMAKE PARASITE EVE!

Lain

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SG79 — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:26:14 MST

@Thorn:

I don't know about him, but the controller factor is more than enough. The technical edges are slight, and no review mentions them (better LOD, motion blur and 60fps custscenes).

SG79

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ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased. — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:24:16 MST

@Witzbold:

@Lain: ps1 and ps2 memory cards had options to delete saves.

I'm sure most of us gamers didn't do ANYTHING of the sort. Which is why we have more than 1 or 2 memory cards for our ps1 and 2s.

I really don't want to, but when I get a pstriple I'll waste the extra 179 bucks for a 300 gb hard drive so I wont have to get another one.

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Lain — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:23:42 MST

@Witzbold: Who was I attacking? I am in complete favor of what this article states. Just stating a mandatory install is not really a big deal and its being made out like it just killed the entire population of wisconsin

Lain

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:23:32 MST

@chos3n: That's not proof, it's your opinion. Sorry, but that won't cut it. Thanks for playing!

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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chos3n — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:21:44 MST

@mva5580: Thats wrong!

*typing to his friend with the messenger kit for xbox.

chos3n

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:21:21 MST

@chantastic: so do all Blu-Ray players need a HDD? just asking.

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ExtremeOne316 — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:20:44 MST

It became a PC when sony allowed gamers to install and OS of their choice on it. I understand with the install since the blu ray drive is not very fast at all

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Witzbold — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:20:01 MST

@Lain: You still fail for just attacking folks with that holier than thou attitude and not realizing that the valid complaints are by those who have actually farsight into the possibility of the problem.

Not to mention if you knew anything about how folks in Japan work is if they see big companies doing something, others will start following in place assuming its some sort of new standard to follow.

Which is why resistance must be shown to give the devs a message that granted people will put up with shit for now, we do not want it to become a standard.

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mva5580 — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:19:58 MST

Consoles are becoming PC's, deal with it.

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chos3n — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:19:47 MST

@DoesNotEqual:
Why proof, it's right before my eyes, in my PS3 BluRay Tray.

This isn't Phoenix Wright: Multimedia Battle?

Because if you trying to do such, you failed.

chos3n

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chantastic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:18:40 MST

@Keeko_ca: Actually, the 1.1 and 2.0 profiles of Blu-Ray mandate a hard drive. 1.1 is 250 megs and 2.0 is 1 gig. That is why the latest FW update on PS3 has a "blu ray data" folder in the video section of the XMB. I don't know what it will be used for, but yes, Blu-Ray does have HD space in its spec. HD-DVD might too, I don't know.

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okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:18:33 MST

@Witzbold: LOL Witz... you need sleep :)

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:16:28 MST

@chos3n: That's great! I'm glad you've had time to look up testimony on the game's load times while searching for proof that the game actually plays better on the PS3. Let me know when you're done!

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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Lain — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:15:48 MST

@Thorn: In my opinion..
The Sound.
And the slightly faster load.

And I am going to be honest here.. It feels way easier to control on the DualShock3/Sixaxis.

Its all about preference though.

Ill probably rape it of its achievements on the 360 and send it back. But add it to the shelf on the PS3.

Lain

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zoesch — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:15:07 MST

@Sinnbox: The original XBox didn't have a predefined cache folder, it was up to the developer, same with the PS3, the only reason why some devs are going with mandatory installs is due to sheer lazyness...

Uncharted, Resistance and R&C:ToD managed to load fast without installs because data was being cached, so although I'm not worried about mandatory installs (I play maximum 2-3 games at a time and I upgraded my PS3 with a 250GB HD) it'd be nice if developers went the extra mile and did work con caching instead of installing.

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chos3n — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:14:24 MST

@DoesNotEqual:

Quote from a user:

I've timed the game on both systems numerous times, and each time has been consistently in the PS3's favor. Transitions to gameplay from starting menus are relatively close, frequently within half a second or so of each other, but when you're loading up a cutscene or having another pause in the action, the 360's times are easily three times that of the PS3.

End quote

[forums.highdefdigest.com]

Enjoy

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Keeko_ca — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:14:02 MST

@Ess:

Makes you wonder how far Sony's pre-emptive 'future-proofing' will really go with this console...and it's early adopters. What's next? Installing extra content from the extra features in BluRay movies!?

...wait, maybe that would be cool...

Keeko_ca

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Lain — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:13:57 MST

@Witzbold: Ok.

In the long term... We expect you to beat the game.. or get TIRED OF IT to the point.. where YOU.. intelligently... decide which ones to keep.. and which ones to delete.. You know.. there is a DELETE option for a reason... And like I said.. every game WILL NOT require a install, mandatory or not.

And my degree has nothing to do with user understanding.

Beat the game.. you stop playing it... or trade it in... or whatever... and the data should be erased. It's not a game save.

And I never said I didnt agree it should be optional. I am fully on that side.. there is a game that is like that OUT RIGHT NOW..

Unreal Tournament 3 is an optional 3GB install.. and a very useful one at that.

Lain

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djricekcn — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:13:37 MST

@Thorn: for me, i like the sony controllers better than the microsoft one's

djricekcn

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Thorn — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:11:28 MST

@Lain: Okay, I'll bite. Why do you prefer the PS3 version? I've tried both too, and just can't see a reason to buy it for my PS3 rather than for my 360, I really can't.

Thorn

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peacefuloutrage — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:11:01 MST

@PirateThom: Many people may not play 8 games at the same time, but I frequently switch between games, then you have the rest of the household. And I hope you don't have any PSN games or demos.

Next time it would pay to think about your reply before you actually post it.

peacefuloutrage

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:10:00 MST

@Ecks: Many original Xbox games streamed from the Disc to a temp folder on the HDD in the background as we played, i think this may be because sony didnt have a special place on the HDD to store streamed data.

Sinnbox

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Does Not Equal (ダズナット) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:09:32 MST

@chos3n: "Small price to pay for a better gameplay."

According to all reviews I've seen, the gameplay is identical between platforms. Prove to me the game itself is any better on the PS3 or your claim is, as previously stated, groundless.

Does Not Equal (ダズナット)

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Ess — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:08:51 MST

Here's my question: During the 20 minute install, you can still play games on your system, yes? Can you rock with some Warhawk or Everyday Shooter whilst DMC4 gets optimized? If yes, than (other than the disc space issue), this is much ado about nothing.

If no, what the heck is the point of having seven cores if the thing literally can't walk and chew gum at the same time?

Ess

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blackadvent — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:08:41 MST

@big_world: Hence why I said 'I don't recall'. Didn't know. Thanks for telling me, but that still doesn't erase the fact that this shit seems to becoming a trend for the PS3.

blackadvent

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djricekcn — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:08:34 MST

I've onlye xperience 20 minutes install with DMC4. Oblivion installs about 4-5gigs but it only took a few minutes...if my memory serves me correct less than 5 minutes...maybe towards 2-3min. Same with R6V. I can't remember any other games at the moment..I think Heavenly Swords as well

djricekcn

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MrBionic — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:07:35 MST

@big_world: Different thing. Burnout Paradise doesn't require you to do a mandatory full install of the game before playing it.. what it does is (as it should be) takes advantage of the Hard Drive for caching. Yes, if you don't have a HD, you're out of luck, but it's a different issue than what is being discussed here.

MrBionic

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Wyld — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:07:01 MST

BOOM!

Wyld

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Keeko_ca — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:06:58 MST

@chantastic:

I'm not gonna say that I've never been tempted by the PS3, because I have; on numerous occasions. However, there's the justification factor. Sure, PS3 has some nice titles up it's sleeve, and lots more on the horizon. Hell, as a Nintendo fan for so many years, one grows attached to cheering for the underdog which the PS3 is increasingly becoming. I just don't see why any informed gamer would throw the money down on one when the 360 is really taking form.

Also, as tempted as I may be by the PS3 at times, no way will I buy one until it hits my $300 sweet spot. All the rumors of a smaller design, better chipsets, and smaller lasers makes me want to wait even longer.

Keeko_ca

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peacefuloutrage — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:06:37 MST

@big_world: That's not an install. I have the game in question. The team wanted to let everyone see DLC even if they didn't pay for it, and I'm guessing that content is larger than 512MB. You can thank EA for that, along with any type of multi-player outside of online.

peacefuloutrage

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Witzbold — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:06:12 MST

@Lain: If you are so smart and have a degree in game design then explain why you dont have the knowledge to realize what the long term problems are going to be when EVERY SINGLE DEV house starts doing this as a standard practice. Even more so for us gamers who buy a lot of games.

Witzbold

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y2kenjination — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:06:00 MST

@Keeko_ca: Mutha fukkin blu ray. In all seriousness, both systems have games that I want, which is why I own both.

y2kenjination

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Sinnbox — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:05:58 MST

@Keeko_ca: There are always people on craigslist trying to trade a PS3 for a 360 or viceversa, its just the grass is greener on the other side issue. The local gamestore here has people who actualy trade a Xbox for a PS2 one day and a week later reverse. people are stupid. If they buy one system dont trade it for a new one, jsut buy both, youll love yourself in the end.

Sinnbox

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chos3n — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:04:40 MST

@DoesNotEqual: Groundless claim ? I got the machine, I did the install, and did I die? No. Why ? Because I went and eat my dinner while it was doing it. Oh and I read that nice little sypnosis of the story.

I have TWO advice for people who are scared of filling their PS3 HDD.

1. Media Servers

2. Upgrade your hard drive to 250GB easily.

It's weird that the Xbox version gets good results on loading, put on a 2 second load vs a 1 sec it's still 100% improvement. Put it to 10 sec and it will be 5 sec. Xbox shot themselves in the foot with the Hard-less SKU.

chos3n