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Super Smash Bros. Brawl Line Madness

SuperSmashKrazy — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:25:34 MDT

HeHeHeHe, Crazzzzzzzy LOl

Reserved or not. Still got it! Yes,Yes! Awesome game play. F\Graphics not bad, AT ALL. 8-10 graphics. :) Yeah............................:D

SuperSmashKrazy

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Random J — Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:12:04 MST

*lol* @ "I rolled up to the Yodobashi Camera in Osaka's Umeda..."

Sorry, I just found that funny. Me and my messed up sense of humour. Don't mind me.

Random J

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Sintariot — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:19:44 MST

Another Wii hit. Yeh!

Sintariot

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Mr.SithNinja — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:01:03 MST

@Shaoko: You are a casual gamer and a hardcore idiot. Shaoko, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on Kotaku is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Shaoko — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:46:34 MST

@Witzbold: I don't understand why you're now drawing the conclusion that less confusing=casual. I suppose that means the Atari had NO hardcore gamers since it had 1 button and a stick.
Just because a game has a simple control scheme that means you can automatically bash it and call it "casual"? How long have you been gaming? Don't first person shooters also usually have 2 buttons? (I refer to First Person Shooters because everyone and their mom worships the things.) Usually you have a shoot button and if you're lucky a Jump button, maybe a button for things like grenades, ect. Also the scrolling through weapons buttons, and the "command" button that allows you to open doors and activate thigns... doesn't seem too complicated.

And what is wrong with "casual" that's like saying you can't play sports casually, when the majority of people who aren't pro's play them casually unless you're a jock. I'm really almost ashamed to call myself a gamer simply because "ZOMG TEH WII IZ CAZUAL!111" I'm not totally in love with First Person Shooters so I must be a casual gamer, holy freaking crap guys!

Why not just flat out say you despise the Wii or anything that doesn't have millions of First Person Shooters/3rd Person Shooters, Stealth, and other "Mature" games or anything that isn't 3rd party because we all know the company that made it is so much more freaking important than how much fun you're having while playing it.

I've said it before I'll say it again, I didn't know it was illegal to have fun, I didn't know you could use the Internet for anything besides porn, and I didn't know casual was something you were supposed to avoid like the plague.

Shaoko

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fragdurarsh — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:57:25 MST

@PSN ID: Kadaj24:

im with you on that

fragdurarsh

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twantime39 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:53:02 MST

They should hold a sumo tournament instead of lines. SumaBura is really just SumoBro. I mean. I like that, though.

twantime39

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zanzibarlegend — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:04:08 MST

@Brian Ashcraft: that was funny, gotta admit :)

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zanzibarlegend — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:30:51 MST

just came back from ebgames... i preorderd SSBB and crisis core..... i dont play.lol nw to wait for march -sigh-

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Onizuka-GTO — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:48:11 MST

ssb going to sold out every where! :D

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zanzibarlegend — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:43:35 MST

jeezuz, i need to go and preorder my copy today, i would hate to not get it on first day.it will be my first smash game.. i never caught the bug.but im openminded based on the overwhelming positive reaction to this title.

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:23:39 MST

@TT: Thats odd since usually with something like, a big title that is that they would limit it 1 copy per customer.

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TT — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:13:35 MST

there were plenty of copies at Bic Camera in Tokyo. One guy bought 5 or 6 copies at once I think. But, I got DMC4.

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adillio94 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:55:41 MST

I waited 2 hours to get my wii i will wait 2 hours again 4 brawl if i have 2 but luckily 4 mii my friend works in wall mart=P

adillio94

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JayTapp — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:51:59 MST

count me in the minority also. I still think the pinacle of fighting games is Street Fighter 2 and 3. And i'm not much of a Wii fan also.

JayTapp

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Shteve — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:51:33 MST

@Witzbold:

cliché insult right there !

why do you think I've thrown this sensationalism thing ?

Shteve

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:47:06 MST

@Shteve: Its called a joke remind me next time to not try one with you since its obvious you have no sense of fucking humor.

But you need to admit thanks to the DS and Wii the casual market has literally exploded.

The proof is just in the numbers along with sales charts.

Witzbold

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Shteve — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:45:05 MST

@Witzbold:

Come on it's not like the «casual» market just been created ! Since Video games exist there as been easy to pick up games, appealing to a mass of simple people that play games sometime ! Now it's like the wii as created casual gamers and it's entirely because of the wii if there's so much «casual» gamers !

«We the gamers are no longer a single tribe.» That one is quite funny, I don't know what to say about that, were you serious or it's just some kind of sensationalism ... ?

Shteve

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CHU BOI — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:22:11 MST

@Witzbold: I was worried foryour safety as i read thru the comments, bro; gamers have gotten sensitive these days when ppl throw the word "casual" around. lol.

But Jonathan got it spot on; it's a game with mass appeal. I've trained with MLG players yet still have a great time playing with non-gamers that I just converted.

@MrPerson: LMFAO! You just summed up my entire DMC playing career (except DMC2, I've disowned it) in one post! Anyone who has played against Virgil knows why the DMC-verse is a land wear casuals walk in fear.

CHU BOI

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:58:39 MST

@Shteve: Thats becuase its what the 2 markets are split up into. We the gamers are no longer a single tribe.

The devil known as profit has split us into 2 warring factions.

The Hardcores and the Casuals.

The bad thing is we are outnumbered 10 to 1.

Witzbold

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Airion — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:44:43 MST

I stopped by six retailers (some big, some small) tonight around 8:00pm, and it was sold out everywhere. Instead of spending the night smashing away, I'm here on Kotaku to report my failure and smashed inner child.

Too bad I'm not into DMC4, plenty of copies still out there.

Airion

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MelodyKitn — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:44:05 MST

@Witzbold: Yep, harvest moon is... odd. But strangely addictive (at least for me). I just threw that in there to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that casual/hardcore may have very different meanings depending on the person and the game you target them to.

MelodyKitn

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Shteve — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:42:31 MST

This all casual-hardcore thing makes me sick, Can we just stop classing every video game in only 2 categories ? There's enough variety in the video game world, why do we limit ourself to 2 ? When I play games I never think about wheter it's hardcore or casual, I just play and have fun ! But when it comes to internet It's always about that !

Shteve

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:40:36 MST

@Jonathan: Actually yes thats the best phrase that could describe it along with other games. Good one!

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:39:46 MST

@Jonathan: Thats a good point also mate. :)

I guess it would be better to use the term casual and hardcore in terms of the type of gamer instead of the game itself.

Witzbold

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Jonathan in Kichijoji — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:23:55 MST

@Witzbold: I think a better word for SSBB is a "game with mass appeal". It trancends both the casual and hardcore markets. Street Fighter II was also like this.

Jonathan in Kichijoji

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Kraykan — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:21:52 MST

Still dont know what the big deal is about this game

Kraykan

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Brian Ashcraft — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:58:29 MST

@Gustavo:
You're a hoot!

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Gustavo — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:37:13 MST

"Maddness?" This is Spaarta.

Gustavo

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:29:56 MST

@Melody-Kitn: You example of harvest moon is a tough one lol. Im not too sure what to call it myself. Since it is a very deep game at the same time its something that can be picked up and played in piecemeal also. Kinda like Animal Crossing.

Those types of games I personally wouldnt know what to categorize them as haha.

Witzbold

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Saint Anima — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:28:54 MST

Hmm, I'ma take the risk and not reserve it over here. Hell, I like going from store to store to see who has any copies left. Plus, doubt many people in my area have Wiis anyway...every time I go to my local store, it's a rare sight to see someone buy a Wii game. Maybe I just go at wrong times, who knows.

Saint Anima

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:27:01 MST

@CeeJay005: Heres another simple example but I bet luke is going to get pissed at me about it.

Advanced Wars could be considered the casual game since its easy to pick up and play without much knowledge or time invested into it.

Panzer Tactics on the other hand can be considered a hardcore title due to the amount of information and slight learning curve involved with it. Not to mention the difficulty / scale of the scenarios could scare away folks who are not into the genre itself.

While both games are deep which can satisfy the hardcore gamers one is marketed / designed to be able to reach the casual market also.

There lies the big difference.

Witzbold

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MelodyKitn — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:12:47 MST

@Witzbold: Gotta agree with ya, any game can be a bit of both, but when I can take a game, play it for 30 minutes, and then can put it down and take up where I left off without having to re-remember controls/what progress I did/where I need to go next a day or two down the line, then the game is considered casual for me.

Yes, if you're a die-hard fan, it can be hardcore for you, but if you can introduce it to someone else and have them pick up the basics in a few minutes, let loose, pause, play another day, and go at it, I'm pretty sure it's safe to call it casual.

Harvest Moon for me = Hardcore ^^
Harvest Moon for everyone else = Probably nowhere remotely close to Hardcore :3

MelodyKitn

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CeeJay005 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:10:57 MST

@Witzbold: I guess our definitions of "casual" game are different. If your definition of "casual game" is any game that appeals to the casual market, then you're right and theres no sense arguing.

BUT, I played Melee at a moderately high level of play, (Granted not quite pro level), and I thought the game was sufficiently "hardcore," and the control scheme that includes advanced techs. was not easy.

But in the end, the difference between "hardcore" and "casual" is all a matter of perception.

CeeJay005

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Bombaaaman — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:03:01 MST

I have just lined up three hours ago at Biccamera in Nagoya. Although the line was long, it took me only 15 minutes to get it over with. Most of the people were getting SSBB but I also saw several guys with DMC4 PS3 (including one getting it with SSBB) and a guy buying a 360 bundle with DMC4.

Bombaaaman

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:52:08 MST

@CeeJay005: ITS EASY TO PLAY hence the 2 button control scheme.

Its a game that you can pick up and have fun with regardless of your own skill level.

Great for casual and hardcore due to the balance put in.

Its still a casual game since it reaches the market not to mention the controls of it make it highly accessable, yet at the same time it has enough depth to also kepe the more hardcore fans satisfied.

It aint that hard to figure out why it can be classified as a casual game.

Witzbold

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Garo — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:49:48 MST

Nice, hopefully it will sell better than SMG.

Garo

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CeeJay005 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:48:49 MST

@Witzbold: I agree that SSBB does draw a large amount of casual gamers, but classifying the game as "casual" based solely off of this is fact is unfair.

Brawl (based off of my knowledge of SSB:Melee) has a huge amount of depth for the "hardcore" who are willing to invest a lot of time in learning the nuances of character movement and advanced play.

My point being: nearly any game can be classified as "hardcore" to those who choose to take that game seriously.

CeeJay005

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Foxstar Sixtail — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:34:50 MST

@PSN ID: Kadaj24: Yes you are. Dislike noted, stay out of future SSBB posts please.

Foxstar Sixtail

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Avinash_Tyagi — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:31:07 MST

@Vandor:

Latest famitsu numbers put Wii a bit higher than DS

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Infradead — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:30:22 MST

Nintendo... at least *announce* the european release date, PLEASE. I can't take it anymore!

Infradead

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r0xtarninja — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:28:29 MST

sadly it was sold out at my local smalltown yamada denki, but I did manage to get DMC4. I also saw at least one person buy a PS3 specifically for DMC4 and a huge stack of neglected 360 copies.

r0xtarninja

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MrPerson — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:26:29 MST

@ajay42:
Anyone who's played any of the DMC games will be able to tell you why it's a hardcore game rather than a casual one. You CANNOT play any DMC game without dedicating yourself to memorizing boss patterns, replaying earlier levels to make money because you suck too much at the later ones to earn any special moves, instead having to spend all your money on extra lives which get more expensive the more you buy.

I don't think I've ever come across any series in recent times which punish you for not being a gamesplaying god as much as the DMC games do. The freakin' unfair extra life system is what kept me from bothering with playing DMC3 past the third level, fun as the core game may be.

MrPerson

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Vandor — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:25:11 MST

@Avinash_Tyagi:
Really? Didn't see any numbers for last week yet.
Well, then it seems like a given that next week will be the same.

Vandor

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:22:18 MST

@Avinash_Tyagi: Looks like Wii is going to win this week too then.

Oh my.

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Brian Ashcraft — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:19:06 MST

@Nickname:
Indeed! Thank you very much. :)

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Avinash_Tyagi — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:18:05 MST

@foxuser17:

Actually Wii fit was a stand in line game as well

@Vandor:

Wii won last week

Avinash_Tyagi

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Vandor — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:12:55 MST

Wow. Looks like the Wii-Hardware-Sales will be through the roof, too. Let's see if the Wii can beat the DS for the week.

Vandor

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jobble — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:09:10 MST

Hey there is a guy buying a Wii at the Xbox counter. Is that allowed? I suppose the clerk was just lonely. So, so, terribly lonely.

jobble

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Elixir — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:05:58 MST

Eh it's to be expected with such a highly anticipated title.

Capcom have balls releasing DMC4 the same time as Brawl. They're both going to be AAA titles though, and I'm sure a bunch of people in Tokyo bought DMC4 + Brawl together.

I've been watching live streams of Brawl and DMC4. I want them both now.

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The Vampire Raziel — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:05:27 MST

hmmm i love super smash but not enough to line up for a game i've never lined up for a game. maybe a system ahh the freezing jan of waiting for a ps2....I rather play DMC4 now if i had the chance lucky i don't have to wait till MARCH for dmc4 >.> lol

BTW i wouldn't really call Super Smash Brothers Brawl a Casual game...

The Vampire Raziel

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Pound my tom-tom — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:58:24 MST

how you walk up in there and score a copy so easly? paying homeless people to stand in line for you! tsk tsk mr rich businessman.

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:55:18 MST

@ajay42: That line should be more than enough of an example for you.

Those folks are not lined up for DMC4. Sure there may be a few here and there but nothing in comparison to those who are lined up for SSBB.

If you dont understand why the 2 games can be categorized as is then you sir are the one who FAILS. Not to mention obviously does not understand the market here in Japan.

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Kuro — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:52:25 MST

This article was not up 30 minutes ago. I just went to Yamada's knowing the game wouldn't be there. I knew. Really I did.

When I left empty-handed I was so crushed. Now I get home and see this. I feel a little better. But not by much D:

Kuro

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:52:07 MST

@UmeShoryu: No they always do the same shit.

Which is nothing.

They never plan ahead.

Actually I do believe the PS3 and Wii days though they made some slight changes. I know with the Wii they had registers set up outside.

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ajay42 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:52:02 MST

@Witzbold:"SSBB which else? DMC never was that big of a "line" grabber here in Japan, since its a "hardcore" game and doesnt exactly grab the casual users which is the majority of the market now."

dude, do you ever give it a rest? I'd really like a detailed account of just how SSBB is "casual" and DMC4 is "hardcore." If even the slightest bit of your answer includes the presence of blood or the dominance of a grey/brown/black color palette, it is insta-fail.

ajay42

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PSN ID: Kadaj24 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:51:28 MST

I don't understand the huge fuss about this game. The original was really fun but the game isn't THAT great. Apparently I'm in the extreme minority.

PSN ID: Kadaj24

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Charlie303 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:48:47 MST

So should SSBB game be considered the first wait in line game? I think it should.

Charlie303

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UmeShoryu — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:47:01 MST

Just curious but in Japan during big-name launches, do retailers set aside a bunch of registers to deal with the purchases concerning strictly with the new release and save one last register for customers buying other goods? Or is there only one register reserved which would explain the huge lines?

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:46:50 MST

@TheIrishNinja: I figured Id get mine later.

Dont want to stand in the communist breadlines quite yet. I had enough of that last night when trying to get my DMC4 copy, since the line was for SSBB but I still had to stand in the fucking thing.

If theres one thing Japan does suck at its fucking crowd control which is ironic considering its such a jam packed with people country. :/

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Nickname — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:46:46 MST

Madness.

Madness.

Nickname

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:45:24 MST

@foxuser17: SSBB which else? DMC never was that big of a "line" grabber here in Japan, since its a "hardcore" game and doesnt exactly grab the casual users which is the majority of the market now.

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TheIrishNinja — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:44:06 MST

@Witzbold: haha, was just about to ask how you'd faired, my man.
and yeah, to those wondering if itll be like this stateside? i'm guessing "yes" and either pre-ordering or hitting the biggest box store i can find and hoping for the best.

TheIrishNinja

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:44:06 MST

One interesting thing is the selection of different folks who were waiting for the game. It wasnt just otakus. It was like a shitload of normal looking folk too.

Just goes to show how many people know about the series.

Witzbold

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Charlie303 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:43:29 MST

@Witzbold: But which got sold out first?,SSBB or DMC4???

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roystik — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:43:27 MST

Were there any lines for DMC4 and Disgaea 3?

roystik

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Witzbold — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:41:56 MST

I knew this was going to happen.

Good thing I slept in instead and didnt bother going down.

Hell even in my 24 hour game shop there was a massive line outside around 12:00 am. The game sold out by 12:30 am. You should have seen how many bikes were parked outside the store.

INSANTY I tell you.

I grabbed my copy of DMC4 and went home.

Witzbold

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Aiwokote — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:41:06 MST

Won't happen to me since I reserved my copy. I can go whenever I want . . . . err then again, if they do a midnight release I'll likely be in line anyway >_<

Meh. I have my PSP. I'll live.

Aiwokote

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EightBit — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:40:28 MST

Hopefully it's not like this in the US. I still don't have a pre-order, and every time I remember to get one I'm either too lazy to take a bus to the store, or the store is already closed.

EightBit

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Charlie303 — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:40:07 MST

Damn,i hope this does not happen here in the U.S.A

Charlie303