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Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

thecubanratio — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:30:30 MST

Here, i found a link that kinda explains what's goin on...
[playstation.about.com]

thecubanratio

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

thecubanratio — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:37:32 MST

Yeh, the 360 is easier to develop games, mainly because the 360 uses very similary technology used in PCs. The ps3 on the other hand uses the new cell processor, which is new technology and pretty different from the 360. That's probably why the ps3 is hard to develop games on right now, but the ps3 itself probably has more potential than the 360, and once game developers get the hang of it, the games on the ps3 should be fine.

thecubanratio

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

terraform — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:28:58 MST

Is anybody actually saying anything here? All I'm seeing is BWAAHH BAWWWW BWAAAH BAWWAAAA, ad infinitum.

terraform

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

taomaster99 — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:18:29 MST

THX PS3, YA JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

taomaster99

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

cubabit — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:08:26 MST

@Leobebes:
"No Rockstar is having a hard time coding on unnecessary proprietary architecture which does the same thing a more streamlined, established architecture can do."

Eh? I take your point but the 360 is proprietary architecture too - I don't think any of it is publicly owned!

cubabit

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ratticon — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:58:20 MST

@tempvsmortis: Dude. The OS isn't the same thing as the hardware.

ratticon

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Slorg — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:38:24 MST

I have both the ps3 and the 360. What is really starting to to bother me is that about every time a game is released on both platforms it's just about always better on the 360. The ps3 has been out for a long time now and I'm still waiting for decent games. Sure the ps3 is a great system in theory, I have lots of systems, but I spent a thousand bucks on the ps3 (ps3, one controller, one game, insurance and tax), to so far only have played 2 games on it.

Since it came out, I have went through maybe a dozen 360 games, 5 or 6 ds games, another 5 or 6 psp games, some wii games, two mmorpgs and a bout a million flash games.

Crap, even Desktop Tower Defence ( a free flash game ) is better than pixeljunk monsters.

I can understand people defending one system or another. But people are going crazy over Live, a service which only costs a few bucks, but no outcry over a 1000 dollar dust gathering block of does-nothing sitting next to my other consoles.

I almost wish the ps3 had some rrod type problem, because if I had to send it in for repairs, at least I'd be doing something with it.

Slorg

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

CRUNK — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 05:22:40 MST

Making games costs $$$$ and Amazing Dev's Cost $$$$
Hence the 360 prospers with par Dev's
Also Your all Crazy

CRUNK

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

badz149 — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:56:11 MST

@ballaboy311:
"...make it easier to make games for.." ...so that it'll be easier to hack?? like 360 you mean?? they've put tremendous amount of effort in PS3 making it the only unhacked system to date! the safety of IP is one of the key to attract developer. have you read the article from CoD4 dev regarding pirated copy of their game being played online?? this is happenning uncontrollably with pc and 360! (can't access XBL though, but still fully playable offline)

As for GTAIV, they obviously have started the development of the game using 360 as the lead platform before PS3 came to the market and put oct 2007 release date assuming that they can just simply port the game like porting it from 360 to pc or the other way around! but they were wrong, as how differently the Cell works compared to the more 'traditional' way PC and 360 do makes the game buggy or simply 'unplayable' on PS3! they could have just released it back there and we'll have the complaints similar with the EA's Madden 08 and The Orange Box which suffer with various problems. They want this to be the best GTA ever and anything like that will dissapoint many and there goes their reputation! the game has gone through a lot of improvement so it's good that finally it got a release date which i believe is for the best!

badz149

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W.C.Gold — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:44:10 MST

Awesome, Rockstar are getting the hang for making games for the PS3: )

W.C.Gold

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

doctorwily — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:37:00 MST

@Leobebes: Calm down your highness. Take comfordt in knowing that you fell for my Troll Trap 5000 as you can't tell sarcasm doesn't go so well over the internet.

@TheIrishNinja (PSN), IrishNinja2099 (XBL): I was merely poking fun at your generalization, which has appearred more frequently. I wish I was patient enough to wait, I just buy two copies one for console, which I sell once completed and pc the following year.

doctorwily

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gatormatt — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:46:17 MST

@Manjikengo: It sounds to me like u said u work at gamestop. I don't know how u could afford a ps3 at that salary anyway, aren't u just making minimum wage???

gatormatt

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Beezle212 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:33:16 MST

@ceilingFANBOY: gets shrinkage on Saturday: I think the fact that Insomniac only really has to worry about programming for the PS3 exclusively plays a role in that. You might as well call them an "in-house" 2nd party dev the same way Bungie used to be with Microsoft and Retro is with Nintendo. I believe when you have to worry less about if your program will run the same on two varying systems, you can focus on squeezing the most out of a specific set of hardware specs.

Beezle212

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

TheIrishNinja — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:24:35 MST

@doctorwily: hey, im just talking shit about you PC kids here; im honestly happy its in another format/venue for everyone else to get in on. i know damn well 1) im missing out on some quality indie titles on PC right now, and 2) you're all getting to avoid some of the nastiness we've had this gen.

'sides, if you're patient enough to wait that year, you deserve the bells & whistles.

TheIrishNinja

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King of Kings — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:31:06 MST

So the delay helped the game huh... I hope to hear the same comment if the 360 is ever the reason a game gets delayed.@sascha23:

King of Kings

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Leathersoup — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:28:23 MST

I wish this cult of fanboy (all sides) would finally get to the koolaid stage of their idiocy so message boards won't be so predictably boring.

Leathersoup

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adinnieken — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:16:52 MST

@hamandcheeseUK:

FWIW, GTA IV on Xbox Live receives exclusive content.

adinnieken

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mjkeller — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:51:58 MST

Well, I have a 360, and if I gave half a damn, I'd probably buy it. Personally, I've never enjoyed the GTA style game.
I've tried, believe me, I've tried. Just no good for me.

mjkeller

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psycoking — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:47:33 MST

@Frank: I can see it now. Six months from now: "GTAIV DLC on PSN"

wow that was a lot of acronyms

psycoking

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Soldrak — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:35:03 MST

GTA = Overrated

Soldrak

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

ShirtGuyDom — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:36:01 MST

Yes, they are identical in that for every shortcoming on the 360 version, there will be a shortcoming on the PS3 version.

ShirtGuyDom

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Frank — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:30:37 MST

I'd like to know why they're still developing the PS3 version as much as they are when content-wise, the 360 version will still be the one to buy.

Frank

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Kincyr — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:13:40 MST

@jackthompson: All types of online sales require one thing: a credit card.
Adult Verification Systems always use a credit card.

岩「…Ace beats Jack.」

Kincyr

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

okenny :) — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:12:00 MST

I'm sure the reason the PS3 is taking longer to develop for is probably because they needed more time with the hardware. Rockstar intended for their engine to be a multi-platform engine so they needed to put extra work into making sure the product is good on all platform their engine is on. This isn't a bad thing and doesn't mean the PS3 is any less capable of running the final game. What I do find amazing are the people actually reading into it that the PS3 is the superior product because that just makes them look retarded. Throwing RROD in peoples faces is about as silly as people saying the PS3 has no games right now. Sony and Microsoft are not your fathers people. Keep your facts straight and stop fighting each other for them. I have to go back to my Microsoft PR desk and change more Sony Wikipedia entries O_o.

okenny :)

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dsvella — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:58:47 MST

I am assuming this is some kinda trick thread in order to get more names for the ban hammer.

dsvella

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

thereturnoftheufo — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:49:42 MST

Now which one to buy...PS3....or 360.
Perhaps PS3. I don't want to risk buying the damn game and having my 360 RROD on me or something.

I don't know.

Also, guys, be sensible. It will be a while before people can code efficiently for the PS3. It uses complicated hardware. Took a while for the 360 too. PS2 had a lot of trouble developing a library in the early days. Give it some time.

Anyways, it doesn't matter to me. The delay helped me play other games, and just improved the game that GTA IV will be, so I'm not effected lol.

thereturnoftheufo

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DaiMacculate — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:32:33 MST

@xbulletholes: Please, name the games that are out or coming out in the next 6 months for PS3 that wouldn't have been made if they had launched in Nov 2007 instead of 2006? I was telling people in fall '05 I wouldn't be surprised if they had to delay the PS3 until 2007, and it was obviously a little ahead of its time in terms of Sony's ability to produce them for a better cost/margin (ie even at the same price they wouldn't have lost money or they would have made money with a later launch).

Some of the expected AAA games for PS3 have in actuality been AA or A quality titles (Lair leaps to mind) and GTAIV is hardly the first title to claim/have some issues with programming for the console. More lead time would have alleviated/eliminated many if not all of these problems.

I'm saying this as someone who does not yet but will almost certainly eventually own a PS3, I'm hoping it does better this year than last :)

DaiMacculate

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XbhaskarX — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:30:19 MST

SDF to once again blame "lazy developers"?

XbhaskarX

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NPlace — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:12:19 MST

@matizzy: I think he was making a joke.

NPlace

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PooPooKaKaBumBum — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:10:36 MST

If they had so much trouble coding it, why didn't they just outsource it to EA, like Valve did with Orange Box?

Oh, wait.....

PooPooKaKaBumBum

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Leobebes — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:07:35 MST

@doctorwily:

Oh boy another PC elitist! You do realize that the reason the PC gets even a whiff of GTA is due to console sales right? You do realize that Rockstar doesn't give a rats ass if you can mod the hell out of a game because they don't profit from this type of community anyway.

So get off your PC high horse and go play games on your niche platform.

Leobebes

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EvoAnubis — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:05:46 MST

Well, R* has lots of time to tune their PS3 coding skills, given that the next few games in their line-up are PS3 exclusive.

EvoAnubis

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Sollus — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:04:27 MST

I think I will wait to see what the general consensus is like for this game before I chose to buy it. If it's more of the same but with updated graphics I'm passing.

Sollus

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D00mM4r1n3 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:00:53 MST

If they were nearly done with the 360 version before the end of the year, then I'm very happy they had a delay, as it gives them more time to take care of bugs in the 360 version while the PS3 version was still being developed.

D00mM4r1n3

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FtGF — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:49:52 MST

@Hand_O_Death:
Well if they are both delayed then what would be the point?

FtGF

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

doctorwily — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:49:31 MST

@TheIrishNinja (PSN), IrishNinja2099 (XBL): Add me into the mix of people that play GTA on the PC, plus the thousands of South Americans and Europeans that spend time playing the MTA mod. All you console fanboys need to relax a bit, and know that the PC version will be far superior-- a year after it's release on consoles :(.

doctorwily

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bmbnbs — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:45:03 MST

Now Sony and Rockstar are necking?!

bmbnbs

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Hand_O_Death — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:29:19 MST

I am impressed no one worries that the Extra $50 Million from MS negotiations had anything to do with the delay.

Hand_O_Death

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Orionsaint — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:25:00 MST

I think Sony used alien technology to make the PS3.

Orionsaint

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

incredibilistic — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:16:17 MST

@sascha23:
I don't know who else agreed with this but I also feel that the extra time has been nothing but good for the game.

They can blame Sony all they want but I bet you that the game is 100 times better because of the extra time they had to stew over it.

If they wanted to blame the PS3 version they would've released the game on the 360 and just delayed it on the PS3 like every other company in the industry. To me that says that they either NEEDED the extra time and just wanted to pin it on Sony's box or they have a contract with Sony to make sure the game comes out at the same time.

Either way they're not being totally forthcoming with their reason for the game coming out this late. With all the game delays the PS3 is getting due to technical problems it's just easier to blame the PS3.

incredibilistic

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Toasticus — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:15:31 MST

@slomo788: Ah, so I misunderstood the point of your citing the 360 demo. Sorry about that. It's a decent point, but not enough to convince me that the 360 build shares near equal responsibility for the delay. Nothing in that demo, other than a lackluster framerate (which is very common in prerelease builds on all platforms), is specifically attributable to the 360 build.

Again, the difference between acknowledging limitations and admitting actual development problems is profound. Limitations don't inevitably become problems. While I wouldn't go so far as to say that DVD limitations are a good thing for GTA, it's very arguable that limitations can be good things rather than problematic. Limitations only become problems when you bounce up against them and you have to make compromises. Thus, the act of acknowledging limitations is in no way equatable to that of admitting problems you've already dealt with. If you do a good job of planning ahead for limitations, they may never become actual problems.

I have absolutely no difficulty admitting that DVD memory size is a limitation. What I contest is the claim that it is a problematic limitation, especially to the degree of causing a game to be delayed for several months.

Toasticus

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RonJeremy4Pres — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:08:09 MST

Man, we shouldn't be so mean to poor Jack Thompson...He's probably afraid that GTAIV will give some demented John the idea to beat up his mother and steal their money back.

RonJeremy4Pres

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Codexx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:59:20 MST

Same story with every game, it seems.

I'd like to learn how to program for a PS3 after I finish C++ and LUA script. If I can learn that, apparently learning other languages should be no problem.

Codexx

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Vecha — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:58:39 MST

@matizzy:

" 'ur' an idiot"

That made me LMAO!

Vecha

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Hedgeworth — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:58:18 MST

Meh. I'll be getting the 360 version, because I own a 360 and don't own a ps3. Nothing against it, I just don't have one.

Like he said, they run identical now anyway so what's the big deal?

Hedgeworth

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mGS_FOXDIE — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:51:26 MST

Man I hope they can fit the game on DVD. At the same time though I really hope they didn't cut anything for that reason, otherwise PS3 owners might go crazy.
But still, why can't anyone unlock parallel processing including Rockstar. Infinity Ward really didn't seem to have a problem since they put their best coders on the PS3 version.

mGS_FOXDIE

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Erwin — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:51:21 MST

@jackthompson: Shh... His competence is based on replies. If we don't talk, maybe he will just go away.

Erwin

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Denver_80203 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:45:41 MST

Just release it on 360 then. They can release on PS3 Later.. sony fanboys are used to sloppy seconds anyway.

Denver_80203

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weasl — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:44:00 MST

@Sparx88:

Agreed. I acctually had the pleasure of working at a game company when the PS2 launched. Not only was the architecture something that none of our coders had every worked with but with the early tools all the documentation was in Japanese.

Of course they all laughed mocked and told tales of the PS2's impending death.

Oops.

I guess from a developer standpoint I really don't see much of a difference between the PS2 and PS3 as far as early complaints go. Throwing a 360 into the mix seems to cloud peoples perception how things have been in the past though.

weasl

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mordred32 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:42:46 MST

Oh boy, here we go with BP....lets clear the air with this one, shall we?
1. The story that the PS3 was the "lead console" was an urban legend from IGN that was summarally dismissed by the devs in their podcast series...the game started as a "common resource" that was sent to separate teams for optimization on the respective consoles.
2. The PS3 version of BP has a solid 60fps framerate with no hitches. The 360 version also sports 60fps, but has some framerate hitches. The 360 version, however, also has slightly sharpened textures and more dynamic lighting. Neither version has an advantage over the other.

mordred32

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Akmed — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:37:47 MST

well it's all for the better... i guess.

man, i was hoping in March. damnit

oh well, got plenty of games to hold me off.

PS ~ when's saint's row 2 come out?

Akmed

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Twisk — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:33:20 MST

Why not just release the 360 version first? Then six months to a year later release a port to the PS3 when they get their Cell processor development degrees?

I mean, it's pretty much been the established trend as it is.

Twisk

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fuchikoma — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:32:31 MST

So how about all the technical problems in the PS2 versions of the last 3 GTAs? Or the PC versions?

Unless they've replaced everyone, R* will never be an indicator of what is good/bad about the PS3, or probably the 360. Their bug-riddled code even contributed greatly to the fledgling PSP exploit scene! They can write bad code on any system...

So it's not so much that "they're having problems with A CONSOLE" as much as "THEY are having problems with a console." :p

fuchikoma

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Huxle — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:32:30 MST

The 360 obviously had something to do with it, how the hell you could you work in a GTAIV with additional downloads onto a core Xbox 360?

Huxle

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

zPhreak — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:28:20 MST

@zoesch: Have you actually looked at God Of War? Halo 1 was pretty similar. H1 even had something God Of War didn't, bump mapping. There's also Chronicles Of Riddick which looks amazing.

zPhreak

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joelface — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:26:55 MST

i think it was OBVIOUS that the ps3 was the reason for the delay..

..but not because the ps3 is somehow flawed.

rockstar was fucking stupid and thought that they could code the game on the 360, and port it over to the ps3.. although we ALL know that doesn't work.. so obviously a delay was necessary, so that the programmers could wrap their minds around the ps3 architecture. if they had not made that original error at first, than there wouldn't have been a delay, imo.

joelface

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bangbangblah — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:24:40 MST

@nonpareil: Sorry, but I didn't laugh. And I don't think anyone else did.

bangbangblah

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doubtful — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:22:00 MST

All I wanna know is will I still be able to enjoy the talents of a street walker before I shank her and steal her roll?

Yes? Whew.

doubtful

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Don't folllow anyone. — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:21:23 MST

@jackthompson: Jack! What side do you fall on? Are you a 360 fanboy or a PS3 one?

Or are you more of a Wii sort of guy?

Don't folllow anyone.

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Ali — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:21:07 MST

Damnit Sony! Time for you to drop the PS3 prices again! >:O

Ali

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darknessgp — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:18:25 MST

To me, this sounds like they developed it for the 360 first then realized that they couldn't directly port it to the PS3 and went "Oh shit, we are going to have to delay"

darknessgp

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badasscat — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:16:52 MST

@Nightshift_Nurse: and that's why we love it!

badasscat

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Sugaray — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:13:10 MST

The 360 version has obviously had about 6 months to polish and to work on the exclusive ad-ons(not goig to be available to the PS3 version anyway)so i'd say it's pretty clear which version the better of the 2 will be.I have both machines and every time someone in the dev dept./early review media has said "both versions are identical" or "the PS3 version is better", the 360 version ends up being better.Burnout:Paradise is the most recent game this was said about where the 360 version is so obviously better it would take a blind person not to be able to notice the difference.

Sugaray

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BigManZam — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:10:22 MST

It's pretty obvious that devs are getting used to programming for the PS3 now. Guys will complain because of the growing pains, but titles are definitely getting better in quality.

BigManZam

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zoesch — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:10:05 MST

@ErickTheRed: I'm still waiting for an original XBox game (Far Cry aside) that looks like God Of War did, Ninja Gaiden came close but not that close, Advent Rising looked great but didn't come close either.

zoesch

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Sparx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:09:30 MST

@Samos42:

Actually both systems will have DLC, they will just be different. Besides, from what I hear the exclusive content is hardly worth it, just a couple scenes and little else.

Sparx

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FtGF — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:06:58 MST

@EnigmaNemesis:
Very true! I guess people feel their console of choice is under siege. I own the PS3 as well and I could care less.

Anyways carry on with the flame war folks.............

FtGF

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zoesch — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:05:10 MST

Seeing how rockstar has shifted the blame from MS to Sony it proves that they are the ones at fault here. Anyway, it's not like I was stoked for GTIV, they lost me after St. Andreas as you can only reuse story elements for so long.

zoesch

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Samos42 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:03:40 MST

The game didn't look very good on either platform back when it was supposed to release so they obviously needed more time, this just means it got delayed a bit more than would have normally been the case because of PS3 problems. So it really would have been delayed either way. Also, even if both versions turn out the same, I think it'd be smarter to go with the 360 version since it has the exclusive DLC (which will come out 2 months later than they say it will, it's the DLC law).

Samos42

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slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:03:17 MST

@Toasticus: In this same thread I said that the PS3 version was probably worse that's why they didn't show it. However today they state that they are identical. SO what's your point? And I'd be damned if these steps you're mentioning resulted in a delay of the game. And IF it did, 360 was also responsible for it. So for all we know PS3 might just be culprit for basic things like you just said. However, we ALSO know that the 360 version gave some challenges because of DVD and HDD. I really don't even understand what you are trying to defend if the devs themselves admitted it. Even Epic admitted it. DVD might not be a real blockage, but they are able to do more with BD than with it, which makes perfect sense.

slomo788

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EnigmaNemesis — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:02:44 MST

@ftgf:

All fanboys get defensive!

EnigmaNemesis

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Toasticus — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:02:00 MST

@Groodle: You're oversimplifying. With the issue of limited disc space, all you have to do in order to plan for that is keep an eye on memory usage of art assets during the game's development and employ efficient art-asset reuse strategies (which are important even without disc-space concerns due to runtime memory constraints). You practically have a progress bar to measure how well you're doing on that front, and that makes it easy to detect whether or not development is going off track long ahead of time.

However, planning ahead for adequate performance on a complex and unfamiliar system architecture is a much more abstract and immeasurable subject due to the nature of game engine optimization. With that, instead of being able to prepare for it by employing specific techniques, you have to create techniques of dealing with it and plan for how difficult the creation of said techniques is going to be. It's like the difference between being told you have 7 pages in which to write your essay and being told you have to write your essay in a different language. Which is easier to plan ahead for in terms of time management?

Toasticus

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FtGF — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:00:20 MST

Fanboys are funny! These threads are always good for a laugh or two. I don't get why PS3 owners get so defensive? So Rockstar says it caused a delay big deal. Well actually it sucks for me since I'm going to get the 360 version. Damn you Sony!

FtGF

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xbulletholes — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:59:07 MST

@DaiMacculate: last month? really? two years after the 360?
haha, oh my.

xbulletholes

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slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:58:00 MST

@-sigil-: Everything you say should be included in that "part" PS3 had to play with it, as far as the PS3 is concerned at least. So what is left? Yes, the 360. I'm not knocking it for that. It's a normal process in developing a game, especially with a proprietary engine (or is it?).

@jackthompson: Great for them. But seriously. I know you are dying to play it now, but at least grow a pair of cherries and go buy it yourself when icomes out instead of sending your son like you're running some sort of experiment on how the Mature-rating rule is not respected.

slomo788

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musicgangATL — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:56:58 MST

ps3 version wont be the best one.i know its hard for some of you to deal with that. but since i have both i dont care

musicgangATL

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Toasticus — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:47:30 MST

@slomo788: My comment history shows that I have no difficulty admitting I've made mistakes, but you're going to have to do better than Rockstar admitting that systems have limitations (which is really a "duh" statement) and calling me pathetic to convince me that I was in any way mistaken.

You say that IGN called the demo on 360 was alarming. Riddle me this: if the PS3 demo was faring better, why the hell wouldn't Rockstar choose to show that version instead? More likely, the PS3 demo was in even worse shape.

It should be obvious that system-specific development is not the entirety of multiplatform game development, otherwise the game would have to be completely rebuilt from the ground up (including art assets) for all platforms. In light of that, it's entirely possible that the other "parts" he alludes to are platform-neutral issues like mission scripting, artwork generation, animation blending and so forth.

Toasticus

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Groodle — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:46:52 MST

@Toasticus:

It's not like they didn't know the PS3 was a different architecture. Both the DVD-9 disc limitations, and the prospect of multi-processor threading (or whatever the kids are calling it these days) were known WELL ahead of any development.

This is a mistake on Rockstar's part to underestimate - wait, let me rephrase that - to OVERestimate their own abilities.

Groodle

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Bando — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:46:24 MST

@jackthompson:

Look, it's all right Fred, we get it. Jack is nuts, you can stop now, and go back to doing the things you love most, such as collecting small bits of metal on the roadside, and adding twist ties to small baggies.

Bando

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johnnylineup — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:45:08 MST

If I were was a game dev I would drop little ps3 and 360 comments on the most random of websites and just sit back and watch the masses run around screaming. I bet they get a kick out of it.

johnnylineup

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zanzibarlegend — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:42:49 MST

@Groodle: touche! point made!

zanzibarlegend

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darkroomdemons.com — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:42:27 MST

All we want to do is donkey punch hookers... who cares what system it happens on.

What's that?1? There's expanded content that allows us to throw the bodies in dumpsters?!?

Boioboiboiboi! RROD #2 here I come!

(Pours gasoline on flames...)

darkroomdemons.com

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-Sigil- — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:41:42 MST

@slomo788: Well those challenges could have been in developing AI, increasing the graphics, keeping both systems equal, having to work harder on lip synching (since graphics are better so it would be more jarring) coding or anything.

-Sigil-

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jackthompson — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:40:26 MST

Immediate News Release - January 24, 2008

Grand Theft Auto IV to Be Released April 29; Culture War Begins Now

The sociopaths who run Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., announced today that their Grand Theft Auto IV video game will be released April 29, 2008.

Take-Two shares have jumped approximately 12% today on this news. What the market is not factoring in, however, is the downside risk coming Take-Two's way with the sale of this "Mature" game to kids, which is a murder simulator for violence against women, cops, and innocent bystanders. Brain scan studies at Harvard, Indiana, and Michigan State Universities prove kids process these games in a different part of the brain than do adults, and this neurobiological differential leads to copycatting behaviors, as the American Psychological Association found in 2005.

The Federal Trade Commission and private groups have found that roughly 50% of the time Mature-rated games are sold to kids of all ages who want to buy them with no parent in sight in brick and mortar stores. Indeed Best Buy, Wal-Mart, GameStop, and even Toys R Us are this very day all selling Grand Theft Auto IV via the Internet to anyone of any age with no age verification whatsoever prior to its April 29 ship date.

Take-Two is in fact pre-selling Grand Theft Auto IV directly at its own web site today with no age verification to anyone of any age, despite what will be the game's "Mature" rating.

Miami attorney and anti-violent video game activist Jack Thompson will, in the days and weeks ahead, be contacting state and federal officials to stop the improper sales of Grand Theft Auto IV to anyone under seventeen years of age, as any such sales violate state and federal fraudulent and deceptive trade practices statutes. Indeed, Thompson has today contacted Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum, who has supported Thompson's efforts in the past.

jackthompson

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Spoony Bard — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:40:09 MST

Oy vey. So both systems had something to do with it. Big deal. If I said anything bad about the 360 as a former PS3-only fanboy, then I take this moment to apologize.

But honestly, this guy said 2 things he shouldn't have.

1) PS3 had something to do with the delay. Why start MORE flame wars?
2) They're identical. (They're not - 360 has exclusives)

So chances are he just ran off at the mouth when he wasn't supposed to, just like hundreds of PR men have done before him.

Big deal.

Spoony Bard

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Streeks1984 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:39:58 MST

this is bull.

Streeks1984

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:39:28 MST

@Toasticus: Dude, it would remove nothing from you to just admit you were wrong and not informed. We would actually think highly of you (I would). Now you are just being pathetic. First they say that 360 poses limitations. Second the demo on 360 that IGN saw was pretty alarming. Third they say that the PS3 is PART of the reasons they had to delay. And they already stated that both consoles have challenges. If PS3 is part of the reasons then what is the rest? The Wii? The PC? Oh wait it's 360/PS3 exclusive of course! If you'd rather put your head in your ass so far that you can smell what you ate this morning and try to snub us instead of admitting your mistake they go on my friend.

slomo788

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JorgieX — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:38:17 MST

@homernoy: Exactly, you own a PS3 get that one, you own a 360 get that one or if you own both systems like I do get the one that you like the controller best. I myself am getting the 360 one if not for the awsome controller then it's for the "exclusive" downloadable episodes. I also have about 45 friends on XBL and about 10 in PSN network if it we not for the lack of good mic sound from SONY and an official PS3 branded mic this would not be an issue. But the best most reliable version will most likely be the 360 version. I will at least be able to play it in 1080p and not 720p unless you can do the little trick on the PS3 to run game at 1080p like CoD4. You need to go into the display settings and uncheck 720 and 1080i and just leave the 1080p selected. Then if the game supports it it will run in 1080p but if it only supports 720p it will run in an ugly 480p...ouch. 360 FTW...!

JorgieX

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cybereality — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:38:02 MST

Would you like your crow baked or fried?

cybereality

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teh_joe — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:37:27 MST

@SithNinja: i don't recall saying they didn't.

teh_joe

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-Sigil- — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:35:10 MST

It's good to know why it was delayed, I think it's funny to know those PS3 fanboys that were blaming the 360 can now shut up too. I find it odd that when the PS3 has had multiple delays they claimed it was the 360 version.

-Sigil-

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Bando — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:33:16 MST

@Manjikengo:

"called it.

Months ago when gta got delayed, I told EVERYONE it was due to the lack of experience with the ps3."

No you didn't, you just sat there drinking in your superman costume as you always do. You don't even play chutes and ladders with us anymore.

Bando

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PurpleMonkey — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:32:56 MST

I actually didn't mind the delay. There were just so many games during last Fall. I still haven't played Mass Effect. It's nice to have such a huge game in April, kinda plugs up the holes in the calender.

PurpleMonkey

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Sparx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:31:10 MST

@Toasticus:
WTF? Limitations imply that they have a set standard of what they wanted to accomplish. If R* couldn't do what they wanted then they would still have to go back to the drawing board and make adjustments which typically create delays. I think you're only hearing what you want to hear. So I think its I who should bid goodday to you.

Sparx

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Ess — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:30:36 MST

I think video games are fun and like playing them.

As an aside, I hope pointless flamebait articles such as this are merely trollpaper for eventual ban-hammery.

Ess

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Tiger-Fever — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:30:07 MST

Sounds like someone is pointing fingers. Rockstar should know that it doesn't matter much anymore. Gamers are used to delays, and as long as we get a good enough game, we'll forget about it soon enough.

Tiger-Fever

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Toasticus — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:27:52 MST

@Sparx88: If you can't distinguish the difference of scale between acknowledging "limitations" and delay-inducing development roadblocks, then, well, this discussion has no merit in it for me. Good day to you sir!

To any third parties that might be following this line of commentary: planning ahead for discrete limitations that you already know about (i.e. disc space) is much, much easier than planning ahead for an abstract concept like the difficulty of wringing acceptable performance out of a highly challenging system architecture.

Let's just reason this out for a second. He states that development on PS3 and 360 is now neck and neck, implying that the development was previously unequal in favor of 360. This equal development pacing comes after a major delay in the release date. Which is more probable, that both platforms presented equal amount of difficulty and the PS3 team just happened to accelerate their development after just happening to be lagging significantly behind in development, or that they pulled people off the 360 team in order to get the PS3 team up to speed?

Toasticus

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zanzibarlegend — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:27:33 MST

@Erwin211: time to preorder!!!!

CYKE!!!!!!

zanzibarlegend

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

TheIrishNinja — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:26:31 MST

@DimensionWarped: yeah, but who plays GTA on PCs? exactly.

@lker: oh, wait, there's two of you now. ill shut up.

@BD: HOW DID IT HAPPEN?!

@matizzy: lol u r such great contribution to communities!!!1

@kingclip: im amazed it took us 2 pages and like 20 minutes to factor in moneyhats. seriously.

TheIrishNinja

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Buttah — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:26:18 MST

@Winterbringer:
I'm sure someone's thought of it already.

Buttah

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Silent_Shark — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:26:09 MST

First they blame the 360, then the PS3.

Rockstar is just trying to deflect the blame away from themselves. They may be gifted with wild imaginations, but their coding is awful. GTA1 & 2 were 2D games in a world of 3D. GTA3, VC, SA etc. are all based on a pretty flawed game engine. Instead of blaming the hardware, just admit that you 'underestimated the task' or something.

Silent_Shark

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Sparx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:25:46 MST

@slomo788:

double niceness ;)

Sparx

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Shindokie — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:24:28 MST

@VanFinale:

It builds hype to the game!!! THE GAME!
@tiberianviper: What is the plural form of penis? And yes inside you!

Shindokie

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

zanzibarlegend — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:23:33 MST

@The Dark Defender: ahhh lololololol nice one

zanzibarlegend

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

kingclip — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:23:25 MST

I agree that the 360 version will likely be better, and I don't necessarily doubt that the PS3 is the issue, but before everyone gets all excited, look who who is saying this, and look at what it says on his big-ass moneyhat.

kingclip

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slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:22:56 MST

@Sparx88: Lol and I made sure to choose 360Fanboy and here for correctness.

slomo788

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OpiZA — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:22:45 MST

Well thank the lord for it... the delay was well needed. This game will rock my socks. Hard.

OpiZA

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Mr.SithNinja — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:21:50 MST

@teh_joe:
Sony learned from it's mistakes, M$ never has....

Mr.SithNinja

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TheIrishNinja — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:21:47 MST

@nonpareil: that's your first comment here? seriously? enjoy your time.

Insomniac and Naughty Dog should really, really hold classes on how to make ps3 games right. theyd bank.

TheIrishNinja

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Sparx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:21:43 MST

@slomo788:

lol, nice, we both linked the same crap from different sites.

Sparx

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Setzer IIDX — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:20:43 MST

@Nightshift_Nurse: "But why does it matter when either version will be an idiotic, stereotype-filled, expletive laden, semi-plotless mess."

QFE?
Thinking back, I got bored with San Andreas, gave it to my little brother. One day he's busting his homies outta jail. I check on him a week later and he's...stealing a jetpack?
Gangbanger to government agency infiltrator? Dubya tee eff moment right there. Definitely a semi-plotless mess moment.

Setzer IIDX

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Groodle — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:19:41 MST

@Nightshift_Nurse:

The same reason you are in the comments section at Kotaku. It's hard to look away. :D

Groodle

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Pacemen2 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:17:44 MST

Let's just hope this guy doesn't accidentally blame the wii. then we'd all have to raise an eyebrow..

Pacemen2

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Nightshift_Nurse — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:17:34 MST

But why does it matter when either version will be an idiotic, stereotype-filled, expletive laden, semi-plotless mess.

Nightshift_Nurse

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slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:17:00 MST

@Toasticus: "Speaking to the Official Playstation Magazine, Rockstar's creative vice president, Dan Houser, noted that the Xbox 360's lack of a guaranteed hard drive poses a challenge for the development of Grand Theft Auto IV."
Source: [www.xbox360fanboy.com]

"The Xbox 360's lack of a guaranteed harddrive is creating limitations for the Rockstar team developing Grand Theft Auto IV for the Xbox 360, Rockstar Veep Dan Houser said in a recent interview with Official Playstation Magazine.

In the interview Houser was asked:
'On PS3 you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage, whereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format. Does that create limitations?' To which he replied, 'Yep.'"
Source: [kotaku.com],-oh/rockstar-gtaiv-limited-by-360-257184.php

slomo788

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ErickTheRed — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:16:36 MST

thats a horse of a diffrent color!

ErickTheRed

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

ErickTheRed — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:16:12 MST

@Groodle: then why didnt you say so <--midget from emerald city refrence

ErickTheRed

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

ErickTheRed — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:15:13 MST

@Dp.: sadly no, Santa left 1/2 a bottle of Jack and a used condom, no PS3 for me :(

ErickTheRed

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

teh_joe — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:15:04 MST

@tiberianviper: you talked about Sony being ahead of trends and say "Sony sided with VHS and MS sided with Betamax. as if to say that Sony picked the winner and Microsoft didn't. I thought this was funny because Sony manufactured Betamax.

teh_joe

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Groodle — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:14:54 MST

@ErickTheRed:

That is not what I meant, though I understand the way I wrote it was not clear.

I was comparing the PS2 to the PS3 in terms of complexity, and long term understanding.

Groodle

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psycoking — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:14:26 MST

@ceilingFANBOY: gets shrinkage on Saturday: Insomniac is PS3 exclusive though. The companies that have the most problems with PS3 development are usually trying to code for more than one system. The XBox is simpler to code for because it uses a more traditional architecture than the PS3, so my guess is that when developers start coding a multiplatform game they code in the style most familiar to them, hoping to optimize for the PS3s special architecture at a later point - which usually ends up being a last minute port type effort. While this is no excuse for them (damned lazy coders ^_^ ), as a coder I guess I feel some sympathy for the poor slobs that are stuck with trying to make the same piece of code work for very different systems all while trying to meet deadlines.

psycoking

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Winterbringer — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:14:17 MST

Can we blame the Ps3 for the Smash bros delay too?

Winterbringer

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

woodywood09 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:14:10 MST

Who cares is it really that important.

woodywood09

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Fallible — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:13:40 MST

@Dp.: Anyway, I'll be picking this up for the PS3 on release. I have to say that this GTA game has finally revived my interest in the franchise. On that note, I can't see why both versions won't be anything but fun.

Fallible

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Sparx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:13:34 MST

@Toasticus:

[www.joystiq.com]

enjoy

Sparx

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Setzer IIDX — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:13:12 MST

@teh_joe: They learned from their mistakes. =D

@tiberianviper: I think he meant to quote me instead.

Setzer IIDX

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Toasticus — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:11:50 MST

@Sparx88, slomo788: Link me to that article where they clearly state that the 360's lack of an HDD is a significant problem. Searching around Kotaku yielded no such article for me. There's a pretty big difference between something being a concern for future development, and looking back at several months of development and admitting, "yeah, that was a real issue."

Toasticus

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Fallible — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:10:31 MST

@ErickTheRed: I take it Santa didn't bring you a PS3 for Christmas then?

Fallible

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

TiberianViper — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:10:30 MST

@teh_joe: im not getting the reference?

TiberianViper

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

AgainstOne — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:09:55 MST

hey, that guy has fingers! this game wasn't made by rockstar! lies!

AgainstOne

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

ErickTheRed — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:09:27 MST

@Groodle: ya that PS2 did things with graphics the xbox could only dream of - and you've officially eaten 2 much mesculine

ErickTheRed

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

VanFinale — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:08:48 MST

Rockstar why must you fan the flames.

VanFinale

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Groodle — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:07:47 MST

@Manjikengo:

Did you actually type that? Specifically "Called it." What person, with more than 6 brain cells, didn't call it?

Secondly, to a more general audience, it's well known the PS3 is more difficult to program for. Which means, in the long term, developers will learn new tricks and have much more potential for improvement and innovation than they will on the 360.

People love to say it "looks identical on both systems", which seems like a positive for the 360, but in reality the 360 will pretty much stay in the same range, while the PS3 moves in leaps and bounds ahead of it. Just like the PS2.

Groodle

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teh_joe — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:06:31 MST

@tiberianviper: funny considering Sony makes Beta

teh_joe

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TiberianViper — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:06:29 MST

@icepick314: that's waht i said. but with bad words.

TiberianViper

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

icepick314 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:04:54 MST

April is gonna be a good month...

my b-day...getting OOOOOLD...

Evangelion 1.0 DVD comes out on 25th....

GTA IV coming out on 29th...

can't we all just be happy that it's coming out and stop bickering, dammit!!

icepick314

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A Pimp Named DaveR — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:03:55 MST

All the good flames have already been taken, so I guess I'll just have to write a 450-word complaint about how Rockstar sucks because I'm not getting GTA4 ported to my Colecovision....

A Pimp Named DaveR

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

TiberianViper — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:03:10 MST

@Shindokie (PSN and XBL): did you just say we have e-penises... penoos... penii?

INSIDE us?

RAAAAAWRGHNOOOOOOO!!!

TiberianViper

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Setzer IIDX — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:01:40 MST

@Sparx88: It's true, PS2 is STILL selling, so tough programming NOW may pay off long term dividends. It all bears true to Sony's corporate Mission Statement of being AHEAD of trends rather than following them. So far they've done that ALONE with the Blu-Ray player. Sony sided with VHS and MS sided with Betamax.

I love proper use of ALLCAPS for emphasis. =)

Setzer IIDX

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Sparx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:59:02 MST

@Toasticus:

Research much? I believe they did say there were limits to the DVD they were trying to get around

Sparx

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Shindokie — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:58:40 MST

@tiberianviper:

*hugs* i agree~!!!

Shindokie

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

DaiMacculate — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:58:15 MST

@Sparx88: I agree with your point, its also why it took well over a year after the PS2 launch to see games that didn't look like slightly beefed up PSX titles, it takes awhile to learn how to program better looking GFX on new hardware. This is the point everybody currently ragging on the Wii and PS3 is apparently missing, the better games are still a year or two away for the most part.

DaiMacculate

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Shindokie — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:57:49 MST

FUCK! I was going to write something about pointless flame thread and it should really stop. It wont but i'm saying why bitch about a game both consoles are going to be able to play. As long as the game is fun and you can have fun why bash someone else. The E-penis in you stopping you from doing that. Either way i hope GTa4 lives up to what it can be. I"m not sure of getting it but only time will tell.

Shindokie

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slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:57:37 MST

@Toasticus: Speculation? They STATED that the 360 gave them challenges due to the DVD medium, and they ALSO stated, a long time ago, that PS3 was not innocent. They are just basically repeating what they said months ago. No speculation here buddy. Sorry.

slomo788

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TheHun — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:56:38 MST

@maverickewu: you can still get the 360 version if you don't care about dlc lol

TheHun

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:55:52 MST

@tiberianviper: Please don't shoot me!

slomo788

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Tonx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:55:39 MST

That'll be enough name-calling, hair-pulling, groin-punching, screenshot-comparing, flame-baiting, face-palming, console-defending, preference-bashing, IMHO-offering, corporate-backing, company-loving, company-hating, chest-pounding, piss-taking, gigantic internet dickswabbery for one post.

Move along, nothing to read, write, learn or respond to here.

Tonx

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Sparx — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:55:30 MST

@Cell9song:

Its already been established that the PS2 was the hardest to develope for last gen and what happened to it? Oh nothing much, only the best selling console in history. If nothing else tougher development is what allows for better games in the future because it forces you to expand your thinking beyond what you know. If developers rested on their laurels we wouldn't have games nearly as nice as they are today no matter what the system specs are.

Sparx

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Toasticus — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:55:05 MST

Cue cartoon "wah wah wah!" sound. Are we satisfied, people? He wasn't prompted to compare the 360 and PS3 versions, yet chose specifically to cite the PS3 version as a source of difficulty in developing the game.

Unless Rockstar says something to the contrary, any and all speculation about DVD limitations is just bullshit speculation in light of the fact that Rockstar has publicly admitted that the PS3 presented significant difficulty.

Toasticus

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Maverickewu — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:54:43 MST

@DoggySpew: Easy. If you want to download the two extra episodes of GTAIV, you get the 360 version. If not, then you get the PS3 version

Maverickewu

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

lker — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:54:37 MST

Wait for the PC version.

Better graphics, mods, and aiming with a mouse that is so much more natural than aiming with a thumbstick.

lker

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

TiberianViper — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:54:20 MST

how bout we all shut the fuck up and enjoy a nicely polished open-world Rockstar playpen?

yeah?

yeah.

TiberianViper

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Stitched — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:54:02 MST

So at what point did "Jeronimo" move from being a Producer on Bully and The Warriors to VP of Product Development exactly?

Stitched

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:53:32 MST

By the way, like Orange Box, any gamer that like the GTA series should own this game. It sounds amazing. HOWEVER, so far, the 360 version, if you have the choice, should be the one you buy. Exclusive DLC, assured custom soundtracks and it's the lead platform. For me, it will be PS3, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it just as much as everyone else no matter how much the reviews destroy it. Orange Box is amazing on PS3 by the way. But to be honest, the technical issues exist. They are just overrated: the first time I experienced lag in TF2 was last night, since December. I didn't start Episode 2 yet so I really can't say how bad it will get.

slomo788

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Luis — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:53:28 MST

@hamandcheeseUK: Don't forget about the EXCLUSIVE xbox content. It's a no brainer.

Luis

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Setzer IIDX — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:51:18 MST

@logical: Based on ab-so-LUTELY nothing whatsoever you think it's a PS3 framerate issue.

*cue Guiness commercial guys* BRILLIANT!

Setzer IIDX

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Snappywave — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:51:12 MST

Reload, reload, reload.. it's amazing to see more comments pour in quickly LOL.

Snappywave

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

P-Sheddy — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:50:58 MST

@SetzerIIDX: Communism is just a red herring.

Sorry I couldn't resist. Hope you've seen the Clue movie, haha.

P-Sheddy

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

teh_joe — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:50:57 MST

much like claiming "FIRST!" i think there should be a ban on the "cue (insert whatever fanboy here) in 3...2...1" posts

teh_joe

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Fluffy22 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:50:44 MST

Well whats worse.

Then admitting this? or the 360 one being release 9 months before the ps3 one? :P

Fluffy22

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Erwin — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:50:42 MST

Gizmondo version confirmed!

Erwin

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

telekinesis — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:49:31 MST

@Saint Anima (PSN = PoeticMassacre):

If it's cross platform, lead will always be PC, then 360, and if they feel like it, PS3

telekinesis

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Car2oon — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:49:30 MST

Girls, girls, you're both pretty.

Car2oon

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Buttah — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:49:14 MST

* starts reading the comments*

......

/facepalm

Buttah

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

logicaldefense — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:48:56 MST

I suspect ps3 to have frame rate issues.

logicaldefense

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Candlejack — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:47:40 MST

Oh boy, 60+ comments in 20 minutes.

Candlejack

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

slomo788 — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:47:19 MST

@DimensionWarped: From GTA III onward, I don't think any PC GTA version was comparable to console ones. Graphically they were marginally superior, and the controls downright sucked. The only upside were the mods. Now if only Rockstar could bless the PS3 with a UT3-like ed. thing. Goodness!

slomo788

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

crusadernm — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:47:14 MST

I'm not surprised. PS3 is notoriously difficult to program for. And the Xbox 360 GPU is more advanced than the PS3. The Cell may be powerful but what's the point if the graphics card sucks.

crusadernm

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

BlackDove — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:46:54 MST

360 ON THE MGS4 CONFIRMED TOO!

BlackDove

Rockstar Blames PS3 (In Part) For GTA IV Delays

Sunjammer — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:46:45 MST

Wow who the fuck cares.

The game will eventually be out, and you can pay for the copy you choose, go home, play the game as much as you like. I'm no expect on GTA fans, but chances are you'll love it just as much regardless of what your screaming penis wants you to feel about the "competition"'s version. Competing console gamers. How hilarious is that.

Sunjammer