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Dojo Dump: Return Of The Dojo

Trilbynerd_wii — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:31:53 MST

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Trilbynerd_wii

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Trilbynerd_wii — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:27:18 MST

The pikmin are going to be CLASSIC. The picture of diddy absolutely covered with them is definetely my favourite so far... Now think of snake in the same situation. pretty funny, no?

I'm still wondering who's going to be the third third-party character... it's definetely going to be one from a seperate series, so no-one from MG or Sonic... I want Rayman!

Trilbynerd_wii

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man in gauze is king ramses II, actually — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:58:43 MST

Hardly the most unique, that 3-part ship thing is almost exactly the same in concept.

But in execution, Snake's wins, except for the weird super-jump and this:

[www.smashbros.com]

My eyes :(

man in gauze is king ramses II, actually

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hrabbit — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:02:29 MST

Oh my gosh I love pikmin V(^o^)^ that music is so cute! Im still waiting for some kind of kh ssmb info ^_~

hrabbit

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WiggyDee — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:18:00 MST

@Tonx: Don't forget in this game your not playing as the actual characters, your only playing as trophy's of the characters that have been given life. So they don't necessarily have to be to scale, just big enough to see the character.

WiggyDee

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awkward91 — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:15:35 MST

Also: I greatly anticipate a Pikmin stage/Supspace Emissary section/event. Get in before nightfall!

awkward91

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awkward91 — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:12:34 MST

@marmidukestank: I personally thought the window for his possible announcement had passed, and so was surprised at him cropping up now. Pleasantly so, of course.

awkward91

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Mattz — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:01:32 MST

I think people seem to have forgotten the original "story" behind Smash Bro's if they're questioning the size of the characters. Gather round and hark all ye disbelievers.
The Smash Bro's games are based on the idea of the little Gachapon minatures that are available in Japan, usually out of gumball styled machines. You collect and display them as a display of your GeekCred and the more complete the collection, the better you are in Otaku society.
However, these people also have little brothers and sisters who realise the true purpose of these toys. For battling!
Cue the mixed imaginings of small children as they each pick their favourite hero and imagine battles between them in a variety of locales, each fighting to prove their toy is the best.
Big Kevin fights as Bowser because he's big and mean!Rawr!!
Little Davey loves Pokemon and there's no question when it comes to a fight. I choose you! Pikachu!
Sarah loves Princesses so Peach is her natural choice to win. After all, she's royalty.
And Matty thinks Kirby is really cool because he can fly AND can change his special attack. Come on Kirby! You can win!
See? Don't you remember Saturday afternoons in the dirt of the back garden, bringing your action figures to bear against the kid next door and instead of complaining of the lack of realism, filling the gaps with your own imagination to make it the most awesome experience ever? Well you know, until next week.
Even the final boss is based in reality. Master Hand is your father trying to take away the toys of your older brother before he notices you've got them, and Crazy Hand is your brother tring to beat you up for touching his stuff.
Props to Ninty for getting Olimar in on the act as well. A curious playstyle, taking the iceclimbers dyamic and giving it a multi-faceted twist. It'll be really interesting to see the few who master him to his fullest.

Mattz

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thereturnoftheufo — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:42:30 MST

@Tonx: Uh, no they haven't. Kirby, in canon, is only about 6" tall. Pikachu comes up to Pokemon Trainer's knee, barely. Bowser is easily 5x the size of Mario. Olimary is only an inch or two tall. In Smash Bros. they resize EVERYONE so the game makes sense.

thereturnoftheufo

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KM91 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:00:24 MST

Well, people were expecting Megatons this week and it looks lke their wishes have been granted.

KM91

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DaiMacculate — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:57:36 MST

@Mact: I think maybe you accidentally responded to me instead of This post by Ampillion, my whole point in my post was how stupid it was to think Smash has anything to do with a game as crappy as MVC ;)

That and my second point was about Simon Belmont, which is how I figured out your response is misdirected, since I don't think that has anything to do with MegaMan's arm cannon ;)

DaiMacculate

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Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name. — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:48:09 MST

@NeoAkira: You couldn't comprehend the ensuing rage.

@adventchild08: With Yoda and Vader in SCIV, anything's possible...

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

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adventchild08 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:33:41 MST

Ron Paul confirmed for Brawl....

Seriously though, when are they gonna announce the final third party character!

adventchild08

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BPMΣ — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:29:58 MST

@NeoAkira:
If someone as high-profile as Megaman were to show up in Brawl, he'd be a playable character. Anyone else from the Megaman series (Roll, Protoman, Bass, Zero, Sigma, Axl, etc.) would be Assist Trophies, just like Grey Fox (Metal Gear) and Tails (Sonic).

BPMΣ

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marmidukestank — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:53:52 MST

Olimar a surprise???

Come on, he's the only new, high-profile main Nintendo character since the Gamecube launched. Why is this surprising in the slightest?

marmidukestank

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NeoAkira — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:26:44 MST

Maybe Megaman will show up as an assist trophy?

NeoAkira

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The Amazing Exploding-Man — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:10:44 MST

Looking forward to use of the RGB-6 and a helicopter.

The Amazing Exploding-Man

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Johnny156 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:40:57 MST

I was hoping on Olimar or Chibi-robo...Don't know how he's gonna fight Olimar is like a millimeter tall.

Johnny156

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GuardianEarth128 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:09:55 MST

Come on, get Bomberman in there. :D

GuardianEarth128

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Shaoko — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:09:31 MST

@Sheetman: I must say, Pokemon Trainer was more of a surprise to me. Totally didn't expect more reps for Pokemon and rumors are that Lucario will also be playable... I mean really, you'd think Gamefreak was making the entire game.

Sonic deserves to be in, SEGA can't make a good Sonic game to save their lives, it's DIMPS that's made the last good in Sonic's name, Sonic Rush and Rush Adventure.

I want Megaman, but they could say "Megaman is a another special case" Seeing how Pikachu gets alt. costumes and Wario gets his Overalls, so they could put in all the gay forms and the cool forms X and Classic.

Shaoko

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Mact — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:54:15 MST

@TheSonicGamer:

The same could be say of Sonic and those who rabidly oppose his inclusion.

I guess he won't be in Smash.

Mact

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Mact — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:53:01 MST

@DaiMacculate:

Erm... why in the world do the previous fighters have anything to do with it?

Smash Bros is not another fighter. Frankly, if anyone is dumb enough to complain that he doesn't resemble his style in any other fighter, they can piss off.

As for which to put in, it's not a terribly difficult decision. Either go with the classic or go with the most recent (Model X of the ZX series). Either way, it should definitely be blue, despite my fanatic adoration of Zero.

Your second point proves you a parrot with a keyboard. He wouldn't have to copy abilities. As for the arm cannon, let's count the number of Brawlers with swords...

If you think he'd inevitably be a Samus clone, you're a moron. No exceptions.

Mact

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Mact — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:48:16 MST

@Tonx:

No. They haven't.

Kirby is 8cm.
Samus is 7ft.

Never has Smash had characters remain proportional in size.

Mact

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TheTheTheTheWhat — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:29:06 MST

I love this game.

Something that people haven't thought of though, relating to @Tonx: 24 possible Pikmin with the abilty to quickly pluck and throw another, not to mention on a high traffic stage with items, assist trophies, final smashes and pokeballs plausibly at the same time, that seems to requires a hardcore processor, not to mention robust WiFi connections.

Could Olimar have the next Zerg Rush? Sweet.

TheTheTheTheWhat

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shwoosh — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:26:50 MST

@metadae: Yes, exactly. Thank you.

Captain Olimar is great, great news. I've been wanting him since Melee. Now, if Mr. Sakurai can defy space, time, and the law, and bring me Battletoads, I will fly to Japan and grovel at his feet.

shwoosh

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metadae — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:19:47 MST

I thought that proportions didn't really matter that much because the characters are supposed to be fighting trophy/figurine things, not the actual characters themselves.

metadae

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Hansel — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:17:38 MST

This game is coming soon out in Japan, and yet no official word about European release date from Nintendo. Nintendo released big game like Super Mario Galaxy almost same time in all three big markets, so why it is impossible to launch this game simultaneously in both US and Europe? It's a fighting game, so one would think that there is even less text to localize than in a Super Mario game. I fear that us Europeans and Aussies have to wait for this game a long time (2 - 4 months).

Hansel

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Particleman — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:14:06 MST

@Tonx: They've stayed proportionate? Pikachu is the size of a horse.

[www.smashbros.com]

Particleman

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NeoAkira — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:53:09 MST

@ampillion : works it harder, makes it better, does it faste...:

If megaman would be a samus clone then aren't marth and roy link clones?

just something to think about.

NeoAkira

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Superstar90 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:47:50 MST

I want Andy Samberg in this game, with a laser-cat.

Superstar90

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DaiMacculate — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:41:37 MST

@ampillion : works it harder, makes it better, does it faste...: I might be alone in feeling this way, but I never thought MVC or MVC2 were very good games, and I'd prefer they not influence any future fighting games if at all possible. I know some people like it, and thats fine, but MVC2 in particular is everything Smash is not, its hectic without purpose, unbalanced as hell, and just generally annoying to me. The first time I played it in an arcade I was shocked that nobody was going into seizures from trying to play it for more than 5 minutes.

I actually liked Capcom's earlier Marvel games, I just didn't like MVC. Of course, I don't think CVS or SVC are exactly stellar games either, but none of them are broken like MVC.

All that said, I don't want MegaMan in Smash, give me Simon Belmont if you want to put in another good 3rd party game character ;)

This does make me wish I'd played Pikmin, perhaps I'll look into picking up a used copy of the second game.

DaiMacculate

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Nabilac — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:40:57 MST

Final Smash for Olimar better be an attack done by the Pikmin...1000 Pikmin.

Nabilac

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Scorpi — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:40:47 MST

I was expecting him in it, but more as a hidden character rather than one revealed to all on the site

Scorpi

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Hades — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:35:20 MST

@MajorWedgie: There's bound to be some people who expected him. But many (including myself) are just in shock to see him fighting. Not a bad thing, just unexpected.

Mmm...I too wonder when are these updates are going to end. My guess is after the Japanese release.

Hades

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RRRansom — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:25:14 MST

I'm loving the light-gun aspect of Snake's final. However, Olimar's moveset being a 2D version of Pikmen absolutely trumps it.

There's some great franchise-respect going on in the Dojo, especially for the newcomers.

RRRansom

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Aflack: Likes slushies — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:23:54 MST

@Tonx:
No they haven't. Pikachu should be small enough to hang off Link's shoulders. Yet in smash he comes up to his waist. Kirby is only 8 inches, blah,blah,blah, etc,etc,etc. Size is taken loosely in smash.

@ampillion : works it harder, makes it better, does it faster, makes us stronger.: So, because you are unimaginative that must mean megaman couldn't be anything but a samus clone? Nevermind that he has hundreds of abilities to draw from, including his buddy Rush. No offense but just because you can't think of a moveset for him doesn't mean he'd turn into a samus clone just because of "teh arm cannons!1"

Aflack: Likes slushies

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metadae — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:13:59 MST

That yellow alloy sure does look like an Animal Crossing boy...

metadae

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Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman. — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:12:48 MST

@TheSonicGamer: I think the bigger problem is that...
One, Mega Man is already in a fighting game, MVSC, so to translate him into another entirely different style of fighter, do you try to appease fans of his previous fighting style or reinvent him for a different focus in combat? Of course, his various forms come into play as well... which would be better to put into the game?

and...

Two, there are already fighters in the game that have the similar combat styles or abilities, such as Samus or Kirby. With a arm cannon and the ability to take other's powers respectively, you already kinda have what most people would expect from him. Of course, including him just for his face value is great, but would you really care all that much in the long run if he were just a Samus clone?

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

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Rengenki — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:09:36 MST

Nothing on Snakes snug butt?

Rengenki

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knulpm — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:06:13 MST

So Olimar has a Pikmin DoT atack? Sweeet.

knulpm

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PeterQC — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:02:36 MST

@CogSmooch: It's "derrière" or "cul" (the french version of "ass")

This week been great overall. :)

Just Preordered it at The Source, now I can't wait :D

PeterQC

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Seiryuu — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:02:18 MST

@TheSonicGamer: Its not like they couldn't just change his skin/costume to the different Megamans seeing as they all pretty much operate under the same principle and have roughly the same proportions (sans maybe the original pre Megaman 8 and Rockman and Forte).

Other than the Original they all have had Swords, they all have had Megabusters and the Robot Masters have had some overlap weapon wise as well!.

Seiryuu

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Fused — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:58:43 MST

Olimar is going to be an awesome addition. His play style is incredible.

Fused

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TheSonicGamer — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:51:11 MST

Problem with Megaman is that there's so many incarnations of him. Personally, if I wanted Megaman to be in it, I'd want Megaman X, but that would piss of people who want the original Megaman, or that God-awful Megaman.exe. It's too hard to really add him into the game.

TheSonicGamer

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Tonx — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:35:05 MST

@MajorWedgie: I thought he'd be a great addition, save for the fact that he's 3" tall according to the Pikmin lore...
Honestly, I was expecting it to be a 3" Olimar and the Pikmin inside a cockpit controlling some sort of six foot robot or something. Just so the characters remained proportionate (which they've done so far).

Tonx

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King Seafoam — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:28:33 MST

Wow.. I cant believe it. They've created Olimar almost PRECISELY how I pictured and wanted him... Moves and everything.. Its like a wish come true.. ^,^
BTW- was I the only one who really wanted him in SSBB? Everyone els seems stunned and unexpected?..

King Seafoam

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thereturnoftheufo — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:28:25 MST

@altgod: He's not in.

thereturnoftheufo

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NeoAkira — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:27:40 MST

is it just me or does the corneria level seem smaller?

NeoAkira

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Red_Maniac — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:26:10 MST

@Vyse24:
Probably. They're like the second Ice Climber. Also, in the Olimar Special Moves update, you can see what happens to Pikmin when they die.

Red_Maniac

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Tonx — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:25:05 MST

@Vyse24: Get offa my icon!

Tonx

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Tonx — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:24:26 MST

Olimar four-for-alls are going to be hilarious.
I still take eight ice climbers onto the fountain of dreams with the only items being pokeballs set on maximum.

But Olimar? That's four Olimars, twenty-four possible Pikmin... toss in character trophies and pokeballs, as well as characters that just show up some stages like the Shy-Guy Karters... That's pushing what, forty moving characters on a screen at once? In a fighting game?

This game is insane, I can't wait to be locked up in a looney bin playing it all day.

Tonx

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Vyse24 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:20:11 MST

I wonder if its possible to attack the Pikmin.

Vyse24

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altgod — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:19:31 MST

Ok, this is cool, but if they're going to add Mega Man, they'd better tell us soon. Honestly, I think Mega Man is a MUCH more important Nintendo character than most of the Brawl lineup, even if he is third party.

altgod

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rhinojosa — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:17:57 MST

Olimar is a great addition. I see him on the same plane as the ice climbers because both depend on their partners so much during the fight.

rhinojosa

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Hiltz — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:16:38 MST

If u get the poison mushroom, then Capt. Olimar will probably be even smaller than the Pikmin.

Nintendo has truly made Brawl bigger than SSBM. In fact, it seems like Brawl may have the most off-line and online features of any video game and there may be even more revealed in future updates.

Hiltz

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CogSmooch — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:15:27 MST

@Sheetman: sorry for the double post, but I reccomend Pikmin 2 over the first. Both are fried gold, though.

CogSmooch

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Saint Anima — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:15:26 MST

Snake's Final Smash is sweet. Granted, I'm sure everyone was waiting for a Metal Gear to pop out, but this'll do.

Saint Anima

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CogSmooch — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:42 MST

Yes. Sakurai has a strange obsession with Snake's (if I knew how to spell derry-air I'd type it here)

I'm incredibly excited about Olimar, and am hoping for a Pikmin Wii game...

CogSmooch

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Sheetman — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:11 MST

Of all the newcomers added since the Dojo began, Olimar definately came out of no where. But now that he's in, I'm glad because he looks to be the most interesting fighter of the bunch. He's even inspired me to go out and pick up a copy of Pikmin.

Sheetman

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Scottendo — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:12:03 MST

@pj898:
His ass?

Scottendo

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pj898 — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:10:56 MST

Snakes got back!
Why does Sakurai continue to focus on ...it?

pj898

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EightBit — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:09:25 MST

Hmm, thoughts of a all Olimar Giant Melee match come to mind. Giant Pikmin being thrown everywhere, awesome.

EightBit

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swirldude — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:08:26 MST

He loads a new clip? How can that be?

swirldude

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jesp3r — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:05:45 MST

Olimar was totally unexpected, and really innovative. Love it.

jesp3r

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.Connor — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:04:52 MST

Er, I mean....
All in good favor. Dojo Dump is finally back.
When will they end, though? Shortly before the Japanese release?

.Connor

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.Connor — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:03:30 MST

Pwn.

.Connor