...oh wait. I count SEVENTY (70) people before any support staff, and then another 30+ contractors (not including any voice or mocap talent). Then there are another 50+ Microsoft support staff and executive management involved. But you're right, Gears was made on a SHOESTRING just like Mark Rein says. 100 person next gen teams are just for lazy dolts like EA, Activision, Ubisoft and ehm... just about everyone.

Also, just to clarify: part of the reason the team sizes are so enormous for EA games is because they push (some might say crap) them out in 10-12 months. Same work, less time = more people.

Thanks for coming out.

sherpatank

"The minute god crapped out the third caveman a conspiracy was hatched against one of them." - Colonel Gathers, Venture Brothers

That changes in no way the need for newkular to punch himself in the face, but you can never have too many random Venture Brothers quotes.

DaiMacculate

Toasticus

newkular

Toasticus

@baccardi84: Not to mention that for any reasonable development cycle you're talking at least two years of paying for those six-figure salaries.

Toasticus

baccardi84

Those type of people are in the 6 figures range. 5 programmers at 100-200K each is already a lot of money. nevermind the cost of supporting each programmer with all the equipment and IT services they need. we're already in the millions, and we dont have any artists, producers, production coordinators, qa, marketting, hr, finance, IT, middleware, 1st party costs, etc etc etc etc.

This is not a trivial game. Most games these days aren't.

baccardi84

vagrantwade

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

Why just look at Gears credits.

If I recall correctly neither does Valve.

You only need a hundred people if you have have an outdated corporate structure and a games mill like say ea's.

Seiryuu

baccardi84

mdgalaxy

When will developers wake up and realize that if you're gonna spend only two drunken seconds developing a plot and characters, just be done with it and forget any cut scene and exposition altogether and avoid the embarrassment. The cut scenes shown in this video are heinously disgusting. They're not even worth laughing at.

The rest of the game is missing some je ne sais quoi. It looks dull and graphically last-gen.

Mario's Pants

Draconis

mdgalaxy

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

i do think that a mouse can be more accurate, but i also think there's a lot to be said for the fluidity of two joysticks. I dislike using the keys to move while using a mouse. If anything, there should be another mouse for moving/strafing.

mdgalaxy

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

Ehardergardens

I play UT3 on ps3(with sixaxis) and I don't think there's too much auto aim there and it feels perfectly fine.

Mouse and Keyboard is the best interface, but it's very possible to have a real FPS on a console. But YMMV for what you want.

@mdgalaxy: is right about having to lift your mouse under normal conditions.

Ehardergardens

mdgalaxy

Rabunis

you: "i stand behind my observation that you can't aim with a joystick."

oh but you did. haha. relax, guy, i was screwing around in that second post to you. but, dude, seriously, the pc isn't the only place one can play fps.

coin_operated_boy

Ah the standard Keyboard/Gamepad argument. You guys are clearly set in your ways. That's fine! PC's have gamepads, and Consoles have USB keyboards, and both are widely supported.

You're arguing because you want the other person to have the best interface experience. good for you!

That being said, I enjoy the keyboard/mouse more than a thumbstick (depending on the title of course). I personally like having the extra muscle groups involved. Instead of a slight movement of a single finger, its the whole arm that moves, which I have a finer control with. I enjoy having a movement of a few inches, rather than a few centimeters.

I also think that there is still a control peripheral out there waiting to be created that will destroy both gamepad and PC/Keyboard as a control device. Both are pretty huge abstractions, and far from ideal.

GustoGaiden

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

mdgalaxy

mdgalaxy

yes i can. just apparently much, much, MUCH MUCHMUCHMUCH better than you.

fyi, i can aim with a mouse, too.

also, i'd like to make an observation of my own. anyone who can use the term "the true FPS system" with a straight face is a huge, HUUGE geek.

not that that's necessarily an insult, ya friggin geek bastid.

coin_operated_boy

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

mdgalaxy

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

...oh do shut the fuck up.

coin_operated_boy

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

original turoks were terrible? mario sunshine was awesome? you, sir, are deluded.

the orginal n64 turoks were made of win and awesome. every single death animation in seeds of evil was more entertaining than anything i've seen in years, for one.

anyway, this new turok isn't turok. turok was a lineage of native american hunters and the title was passed down as a guardian of the lost land. it was actually interesting. turok was the TITLE. not the name of the character.

this turok is just another space marine who happens to be native american. it won't be special and the demo sucked ass.

they should have remade seeds of evil.

also, ADMIRAL HOOD!

coin_operated_boy

Beatseeker

Teelie

I actually liked the last Turok game on the xbox. Fun imaginative weapons, that changed the way you played, great environments and enemy AI was good. The multiplayer was poo, but I thought single player was better and more varied than halo.
Still scratching my head why people hated it so much.
And IT was the game that had a gravity gun a bit before HL 2 did.

Ehardergardens

@seiryuu: Fail. Mario Sunshine was awesome, and it did poorly because it was a departure from the norm and wasn't Super Mario 64 2 proper which everyone was desiring.

nintend0nick

mdgalaxy

balgeary

I never had an N64, and I was put off by the bad turoks, but if they do this well, I might buy it

Albino

balgeary

balgeary

Mario games don't really need a story to keep you motivated tho, as long as they keep the gameplay interesting, unfortunately there are way less ways to keep running in corridors shooting things in the head interesting that ways to make jumping on * appealing.

And then it's not like the rabid masses will just gooble up whatever subpar thing comes out with the Mario name, Sunshine doesnt seem to have done very well and I'd say it being terrible in all areas (including story) may have had to do with it.

Seiryuu

As for a lacking story, some people just don't mind. Check out the people that support Mario. It's been essentially the same story for 20 years now. Princess is captured, go rescue her. One of the developers working with Miyamoto recently said that Miyamoto doesn't really give story much thought.

StupidDufus

But from what everyone is saying, try to think of the game as revitalizing the Turok series. It's better to try to get everyone to remember what was great about the original instead of trying to reinvent everything and have the gamers forget what the original was supposed to be like.

exkon

DigitalHero

Ruglia

King Seafoam

KaneTaker

TriFF51

Seiryuu

nintend0nick

Ok then when us 'hardcore gamers' ask for a little reward every once in a while, they'll just turn to you, you ungrateful bastard.

kumuasata

I don't know where I've been but apparently everyone already decided this game was going to suck. Gotta love these open minded internet types.

Aflack: Likes slushies

jimfear

kumuasata

balgeary

Granted what Ive seen so far looks cool.

The T-rex looks insane though!

Witzbold

Gadgetron

Also, I saw QTEs. I have an irrational hatred for QTEs.

Gouki4u

InsidiousTuna

FP Shindokie

Draig

bad choices were made.

ortholomeux

Maiken

HateFate

yashichi8bit