idrisz

taomaster99

That's weird, I thought being the successor to the Gamecube made it a Next-Gen system. Oh I guess I also forgot being easy to develop for means you're still in lastt gen. Thanks for the clear up.

/sarcasm

NeoAkira

questworld

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

If informed people such as ourselves who only purchase good games stopped buying them, then they would not have much better sales than the crap games now would they?

brent_w

Superstar90

1) Because the Wii is not a next-gen system, it is very easy and cheap to develop for. (And the games are, correspondingly, cheap experiences.)

2) The _overwhelming_ target consumer - mommies buying exercise for Timmy - cares only about 10% whether the game they're paying for is actually any good. So even a piece of detritus like Carnival Games will sell a million copies. Surf the web for an hour and package the first ten free web games you find, and you've got a winner. That is the Wii market.

Now, attend with me a red letter day in the history of video games: the crash of 1984, and recall point #1 made above.

Asterra

TheIrishNinja

Dudemeister

Tepoz

I got four Wii games for Christmas, all of which I felt were high-quality, entertaining, third-party releases. Geometry Wars, Nights, Trauma Center 2, and Zack and Wiki.

I have successfully avoided crap for the first year of the console, and will continue to do so. I do own Rampage: Total Destruction and Red Steel, but they were free so they don't count.

Taramoor

Recoil

2007 saw 137 titles released on the Wii. Of those only 12 scored above average (80% or higher). Meanwhile 92 titles scored below average (under 70%).

That gives us a good to bad ratio of 1:7.67. In other words, for every halfway decent game there were 7.67 crappy games.

Running the numbers for the Xbox 360 and PS3 you get:
41:92 (1:2.24) and 30:25 (1:0.83) respectively.

Which means that the Wii is getting junk games at a rate 3.42 times faster than the Xbox 360 and 9.2 times faster than the PS3.

This shouldn't really be a surprise when it comes to the PS3 though, dev time and expense is much higher on that machine so the companies most likely to make crappy games (Conspiracy Entertainment, Crave) are avoiding the platform.

Jordan Lund

Ah yes, Labyrinth... what a classic :) Good to see that people still remember it!

Recoil

KaneTaker

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

never fear, once they gone though the phase, the little wii will be all better again, and check itself out of the clinic, to go kick out the care-taking crew and get back to work.

such as redefining the policy of "getting more third party support" to "getting third party support AND checking for quality"

:P

I never bought into the hype of all amazing things would happen to the wii.

I just wanted to play a few cool games and the bunch of GC ones i never got round to and play with the motion control.

that's all, never more, never less.

since im immune to the hype of the games on the 360 and ps3 (since i got a high powered pc that plays crysis)

im content.

sometimes i think people deliberate set themselves up so that they can topple off the mountain they built themselves to climb up.

:rolleyes:

Onizuka-GTO

Rain-man

Now all of a sudden, with more powerful hardware, developers can't seem to remember how to develop? Look at these Wii games...it's like they forgot what textures are...like all of sudden light sources were invited yesterday and they didn't get the memo, complexed geometry is now some new fangled term made up by hippies that smoke too much pot. It's pathetic. There is no excuse for it. None. It's not even like the Wii doesn't have a fanbase to justify the support. The fanbase is there and growing across the fucking world like a plague. Casual gamers aren't the only people buying obviously since many a kotakuite have stated they own one just as an example. Even still, the Nintendo faithful don't deserve to get better support?

All I'm saying is, I have games on PS3 that are digital crack. If I didn't have to drag my ass to work at 1 I'd be booting up Warhawk after I finish posting this. I'm loving my PS3 because I have great games to play that are addictive with the replay value and are great show pieces for the hardware.This is one year after PS3 has been out. What's Wii's excuse? What's the excuse for the 3rd parties? They can't be this incompetent, can they?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

And if you look at other winning consoles like the PS2, then about the time it's nearly obsolete, there will be a slew of hits coming out just in time for retirement! It seems these things always get shut down just as devs hit their stride... But I wouldn't worry about the Wii. Last summer I got mine as a long-term investment because with so many sold, there WILL be lots of good games in a couple years.

fuchikoma

If people actually did that it would backfire so fast its not even funny.

The customer service whines would go unread, and all you will have accomplished is remove their last incentive to actually make good games, since their crap games start selling just as well.

brent_w

brent_w

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

The PS2 Library has always been cluttered with untold amounts of no-name no-budget garbage games for the exact same reasons and nobody even batted an eyelash at it.

brent_w

@DigitalHero: There's more then three good games coming, but till the shows start this year, we won't know anything.

Say what you will, but Wii Fit's gonna outsell most of the stuff for other systems next year, save for maybe GTA.

Foxstar Sixtail

dgonchild

Foxstar Sixtail

DigitalHero

I hoped the Wii remote would allow for new interactivity with games, but so far it has done nothing more than replace button presses with waggles. Heartbreaking really.

JET

natiahs

I grabbed my Wii after waiting in the cold outside a Gamestop last November. By the time Super Paper Mario came out and utterly confounded me with its tedious gameplay, I pretty much gave up on Wii.

You're right: there's nothing to play on Wii. Strike that: there's nothing compelling on Wii. I'm sure Trauma Center and MOH are good games, but how do you justify playing those over something like Call of Duty 4 or Uncharted? You just can't.

I hate to say it, but as a longtime Nintendo fan, I'm just completely turned off by Nintendo now. Wii has been such a colossal disappointment for me, that I'm really not sure if I should even keep the console around.

Long term: Nintendo gained my mom as a customer. She buys a new copy of Tetris every year. They also lost me: I buy twenty games a year and now they'll probably all be Xbox360 titles.

Good work, Nintendo.

lordjoebill

I just beat Galaxy, smash bros is coming up soon, but what's after that? Nothing really on the horzion mentioned yet.

mikecoscia

And, on the Virtual Console, I was ALSO talking about recent (Sep.-Dec.) releases, some of which include: top level shmups like Axelay, Cybernator, and Gate of Thunder, never before localized stuff like Sin & Punishment, AAA platformers like SMB3, and even effing Baseball Stars, among lots of other excelle.nt selections. I will save my breath from going through every worthwhile title that was released since clearly you can look those up, and I AGREE that there were some poor choices, but for someone who HAS already bought all the excellent VC games released last year and earlier this year, there WAS what to play.

If the games that were released both on the VC and the Wii itself didn't appeal to you, whatever, fine, it's all subjective, but for my personal tastes, there was a great deal of excellent stuff via both channels to play.

But what do I know, CLEARLY I have sub-par reading comprehension skills, huh?

HAGE

Reading Comprehension, can we have some...please?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

As long as Nintendo has a first party people know they are going to something to play so what I don't get is why haven't developers come to their senses by now and started actually producing better for the WII.

zsavior

JudgementOfCrom

htd

Witzbold

I sir would like to invest in that dust-resistant console of yours that you speak of.

Witzbold

HAGE

y2julio

And congratulations, you named 12 or 13 games that aren't on the VC. I agree that the selection could be better, but don't act like there's not a HELL of a lot of great stuff on it.

HAGE

I'm constantly hearing about Wiis, XBox 360s, PS3s, DSes and PSPs collecting dust.

Someone needs to make a dust-resistant console.

Marlor

But here's the problem, I was an idiot and bought the Wii at launch just like many of us. Some of us have already played through Metroid Prime3 Zelda, etc...what's left for us? The business acumen in me says "it's great business sense" as far as the marketing of the Wii. But the gamer in me says "Wii is a shinning example of what is wrong with the industry today." Christmas and New Years came and went...what big name title arrived for the Wii? We've already been playing Mario Galaxy which is a great game, don't get me wrong. But let's be real, Mario Galaxy ISN'T a game for everyone despite what Nintendo says. I know people that grew up on Mario and they're sick of Mario games. They're sick of the fetch quests. Other than Mario Galaxy there was absolutely nothing worth buying on the Wii this christmas. Nothing.

Even on VC the selection is dismal. Nintendo got us all excited when NEo Geo support and TG-16 CD support was announced, but what has it amounted to at the biggest time of the year for people that already bought games the best games on VC or waited for something more? Not a damn thing. No King of Fighters, No Samurai Showdown, No Last Blade, No Valis 3, No Ys, No Valis 4, No Gaires, No ThunderForce2, No Zillion, No Kenseiden, no Tetrisphere, No Secret of Mana, No Goldeneye (I know I know...total impossibility there, but that would have been an awesome christmas gift)

All of these games that could have made VC a great alternative to the trash that 3rd parties are constantly releasing on this console and it just isn't happening. Sorry for the rant...but this has really pissed me off when I feel like Nintendo convinced many of us that Wii was a console for serious gamers and casuals alike. No it's not. That's a blatant lie. After owning it for a year, Wii does nearly nothing for me. It's sitting next to my PS3 that gets played daily, collecting dust. I'm not a casual gamer and the Wii has been a major disappointment. Thank goodness for my PS3.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

It's a slight against Wii, and not the PS2, because unlike the Wii, the PS2 has a huge library of excellent games.

Which were all released within the first year of the console's existence, right?

I love this fantasyland where the PS2 was dominant and full of amazing games immediately after it came out.

HAGE

The problem with publishers bringing bad games and miserable ports to the Wii is that if it goes on too long, it will have a negative effect on the Wii. People will (eventually) stop buying them, and those that own them will start selling them on ebay for a fraction of what they paid when they bought them on ebay. Right now the Wii is experiencing great sales and fast growth, but if devs and publishers don't make the active decision to bring some GREAT games to it, thta'll stop eventually. Now, I like my Wii. Just got it this xmas, and I've been playing Twilight Princess, Galaxy, and Metriod Prime 3. There's a couple of other games I'd like to pick up, but after brawl comes out I have to look pretty hard to see a game I wanna play on the horizon. I guess what I'm getting at here is it would be a shame if Nintendo's success was destroyed by third party laziness.

What The Geek

The only game I'm definitely going to buy for the Wii in the first six months of this year is SSBB. Other than that...nada. I'm not convinced that No More Heroes is going to be good and Mario Kart Wii isn't really want I need for the console. After playing Mario Kart DS, I would have preferred a sequel to that.

After a year of owning the Wii, I can honestly say that is has been a major disappointment. Even the VC over the last few weeks has been terrible.Whoever decides which games are released on the service on a weekly basis should be fired and never allowed to work in the industry again. PS3 is going to be getting a even more love this year and this may be the last "hurray" for me and Nintendo consoles if this situation doesn't turn around within the next 6 months.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Give Wii 1 more year, if we aren't looking at some really nice 3rd party stuff in late 08/early 09 then we can call that segment of its market a failure. Same with PS3, to be fair.

DaiMacculate

I really like Wii Sports and Super Paper Mario and I know there are like two or three games that are worthy besides these ones.

Anyway, I still regret it because I thought the console would have lots of good games after some time, because it sold a lot of units and stuff.

And to think I didn´t get a 360 because of red rings fear. I shuould have taken the risk instead...

lucasreis

The problem is that there are a handful of prodigious shovelware developers whose products are published under a variety of different names, often by third-party publishers.

Two of the most prolific shovelware producers are Data Design and The Code Monkeys.

Data Design's games are published under the "Data Design", "Metro 3D", "M3" and "Popcorn Arcade" names. Many of their games are also published by other companies, under the "Bold", "Phoenix Games" and "Conspiracy Entertainment" brands.

The Code Monkeys' games are published by a range of publishers, including: "Phoenix Games", "TDK Mediactive", "Fox Interactive" and "Hip Interactive".

The actual developers get little credit. It is the publisher who has their name on the box, and their logo most prominently displayed on the title-screen.

Marlor

KM91

RobTheBuilder

Actually they are shreddered and mixed with cement.

If you call that mint...

"KE"

majortom1981

They'll likely be discovered in mint condition in 2000 years by some archaeologist and be haled as the biggest archaelogical find of the day.

Sugaray

Saith17

Sugaray

My360broked

Mucki

The PS2 took a while to drop to a low price, and be adopted by casual gamers. The Wii had that from the get-go, for better or for worse. Hence the Wii has been targeted for shovelware much earlier than the PS2 was.

I don't think the deluge of shovelware will stop good games from being made. The shovelware isn't good, but I don't think it is a disaster either.

Marlor

Well, Wii may have loads of shit, but it has Galaxy and Smash Bros. I have no choice but to dodge the shit and go for the gold. If I love the 'best' on the Wii, im gonna go for the Wii. I'm not really into the 'best' on 360.

Seestoff

It's a slight against Wii, and not the PS2, because unlike the Wii, the PS2 has a huge library of excellent games.

gnugeek

When reading the thread on Target: Terror I went to metacritic and compared the percentage of games that rate 50-, then checked the percentage that rate 90+ for the Wii, PS2, PS3 and 360. Click on my name to view the previous post (or check metacritic yourself). Percentage wise, the Wii is getting a lot more crap games than the other consoles.

Personally, I make a point of complaining about crap games because I like playing good games. If you also like playing good games, I suggest you do whatever you can to make sure you can get good games.

Doshu

tehFluffz

Ouch! Poor Wii

thinred

Every time I go into Best Buy or Blockbuster or wherever, I only see like a couple of decent movies and the rest are all shit!

Movies like "Daddy Day Care" really how terrible the state of DVDs has become. It's all just kiddie crap and shovelware.

I think Panasonic, Sony et al should do something to block this onslaught of shitty movies that we get year after year, and FORCE Hollywood to ONLY make stellar, AAA movie titles that cater to MY tastes.

In the meantime, I guess my DVD player will just sit and collect dust..

Jonathan in Kichijoji

Witzbold

monkeysaresilly

As for the Atari collapse, it is an apt comparison in some ways. We don't need to worry that the game industry as a whole will collapse because of Nintendo's shovelware; we should probably be more in fear of how expensive it is to develop for the 360 and PS3, but Nintendo can certainly damage its reputation. Returning gamers and expanding markets in gaming are not going to give Nintendo too many chances. If someone buys a few shovelware games by Popcorn Games, they won't blame the developer; they will blame Nintendo and will get back out of gaming again, possibly for good.

kingofallcosmos

@theovercoatthatsgogol: Yes?

---

Btw luke next time would you mind putting up a picture from Dark Crystal? God I loved that movie.

Witzbold

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

Erwin

"Labyrinth: The Computer Game" was the first Lucasarts adventure game, paving the way for Maniac Mansion, Monkey Island and Day of The Tentacle. The Labyrinth game was partially written by Douglas Adams.

Marlor

That's the reason for the crud. Big-name developers were caught by surprise, they didn't expect the Wii's sales success. So while they are taking their time to get on the Wii bandwagon, the shovelware producers are having a field day.

Good Hardware Sales + Casual Gamers + Lack of Games = Shovelware Profit.

And we have people like Data Design Interactive/Popcorn Games to thank for this:
[217.199.176.105]
[217.199.176.105]

Marlor

TheIrishNinja

Tito Bellic

blkpaladin

Mayu-mayu

Hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, did you take your name from The Neverending Story?

@sbrumm1983:

It seems that TONS of people like Zack & Wiki. I see that it's all about the puzzles, hell yeah. I'll definitely check it out.

dead_red_eyes

*runs off to cry into his pillow*

On topic, yeah the PS2 did get its share of crap but a lot of 3rd party gems got through. The Wii might as well he a compost heap as far as 3rd party is concerned.

nya-chama

Kudos for Labirynth reference.

Barts

Jason144

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

Because the Wii doesn't have any worthwhile 3rd party games. You answered your own question. So far the only games of note are really remakes of Gamecube or *are Gamecube titles. The Wii mostly sells games bundled with hardware add-ons.

Mongoosekun

NutManIV

Totally forgot about RE 4. We just rarely have it so I forget about it. Thats great.

sbrumm1983

Don't forget to try out Zack & Wiki.

Is anyone else having flashbacks of the Atari and the fall of the video game industry. Now, granted, I don't think it will get anywhere near that bad, but seriously there is to much junk out there. I mean I sell games and I try to sell Zelda, Mario (the good ones), Metroid, and Z&W. If they want something else I tell them well ok there is a step down to Trauma Center, Marvel, and maybe like Rayman or something like that. The hard part is convincing them that they shouldn't get crap like Spider man or Soul Caliber. Or, dare I say, Mario and Sonic.

sbrumm1983

[www.youtube.com]

Moonchilde

marissa_melee

asianmacker

The one that comes immediately to mind is that, with one notable exception, this isn't that different from what happened in the '80s. The NES caught fire with the public and publishers scrambled to release anything they could, because there was a public clamoring for everything.

The difference? Twenty years ago, Nintendo had a licensing program with limits on the number of games their licensees could release in any given year. The idea was that fewer opportunities would result in companies picking their releases wisely. The idea was to avoid a repeat of Atari, who drowned in a flood of their own crap.

'Course, the Atari analogy isn't a terrible one, but this time around, you've got tripartite competition, rather than a single entity on whom the fortunes of the industry rest.

Catch-22. With competition, Nintendo can't enforce the release clause their licensees used to have to abide by, but at the same time, the competition ensures that if any one of the consoles out there pulls an Atari, the industry should still survive.

jallen

Frank

Funny thing is, people said this would happen. And got jumped on with snide.

Then again, with their attachment rate so low with games compared to the 360 (other than their first party titles), it is a hard decision for publishers/developers to put time into quality titles that are lucky to see the million sale club.

EnigmaNemesis

Sure, there are a few games, not in the genres that I really enjoy.

All the absolute garbage games have made me trigger shy to buy anything, all the reviews make everything look like crap by association.

I'd much rather pay $60 for the Orange Box, or Uncharted or Ratchet & Clank and know I'm getting something that's worth my money, rather then spend $30 on a guess.

Where are all the Japanese titles? Is localization and license negotiation that hard? Japanese Wii and DS games are much higher in the "Innovation vs Cash In" scale. (Whereas the Japan-only PS3 games seem to be very very high in Cash In.)

Zadaz

setuzoku

if people do a little research on what the good third party games are, they will come up with more than just 'omg none wah', but the problem is that with this torrent of shovelware that's basically here, it's becoming increasingly difficult to NOT dismiss all gaming efforts on wii as pieces of Cruis'n horror.

drbrownt0wn

Glitch

I can forgive the Wii for lacking AAA third-party titles during its first year. That's understandable. I expect 2008 to be slightly better than 2007 in terms of good third-party titles, but it still seems like the Wii doesn't have a single third-party AAA title scheduled for 2008. It's bad enough that the Wii is not an ideal platform for multiplatform gaming. We get to miss out on RE 5 and Soul Calibur and many other exciting games.

Nintendo seriously needs to find a solution to this problem before it does more harm to the Wii. I know, it's just wishful thinking.

I suppose we can expect Wii ware to be the next target for receiving crappy software (especially casual games).Oh well, there seems to be a few things worth getting excited about.

Hiltz

so this guy says it's not their fault it's the retailers fault for buying the games to put on the shelf?

FP Bleentastic has cake

Balance_In_Life

Only because I had to.

ON TOPIC: This is the exact reason why I won't buy the Wii. At least with most of the games on Xbox or PS3 they try. No not in this case, in this case they are trying to cash in on the Wii with games like Crusin' USA. Ohh well saves me money at least.

I will say though there are a few games that I want to try out such as SMG, Metroid, Zelda.

Balance_In_Life

FightingChance

mcscan

Luke, you always choose the best picks.

dnzperson

@dead_red_eyes: Don't forget Zack and Wiki. I'm only partly though but good fun.

gunstarhero

However, I will mention that Godfather Blackhand can be gotten relatively cheap, and that game shows exactly how properly implemented Wii controls can make an average game more fun. Definitely worth checking out.

tebunker

Crazy_Buffet_Happens

Crazy_Buffet_Happens

UnJamma6096

"What began as a trickle at the system's launch is cascading into a churning, roaring river of shit"

Bravo man. Bravo. :)

WatershipDown

I've got enough games to keep me content (Ièm not just playing with my Wii, the crap shouldnèt bother me. It really shouldnèt.

Just wait until the PS3é360 start getting Wii ports and people bitch about the systemsè graphics.

(I know my keyboard broke someone in there0

Dorcas

Thrillhaus

TOCATL

retronaut

- Classic British Motor Racing
- Kidz Sports Basketball
- Monster Truck Offroad
- Myth Makers: Orbs of Doom
- Rig Racer 2

I feel like I've lost a few intelligence points merely typing the names of these piss awful shovelware titles. It's even more sad when you realize next week isn't looking much better.

I do get what Paul Rinde is saying though, demand is high, people are buying, so why not cash in?

PaulHunter

I used to own a Wii and the only other game I had which you did not list was Resident Evil 4. Other than that, there aren't any other must-have titles for the console. Smash Brothers Brawl and No More Heroes (which I do not think will perform better on the sales front as the former) are two games to look forward to in the coming month. We will see what graces the console later in the year.

Here's hoping for some stellar titles.

smellyelite

idrisz

Spiral

Erwin

TOCATL

Witzbold

Throtex

KeroseneClimax

Crazy_Buffet_Happens

True.

dead_red_eyes

"PS2 > GC graphic-wise.."

Ooooo, I don't know about that.

dead_red_eyes

Erwin

oh yeah PS2 > GC graphic-wise..

Wii isn't even current gen in game industry, developers place Wii along the same lines as ps2.

idrisz

Shaoko

This is how I see it turning out:

You and her are friends for awhile. Then, she realizes that she's fallen in love with you. But, you meanwhile, have realized that you're in love with Witzbold. And little does anybody know, Witz is having an affair with Delicious_Bunny, but she's in love with Anemone.

Then, I sell the rights for the whole thing to Hollywood, and pocket a fortune off of Kotaku: The Movie: A Love Story

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

Yeah. It really does suck that they don't monitor their relases like Sony and Microsoft. I'd go so far to say that Nintendo has probably released more crappy games than any other system has .... this coming from a BIG Nintendo fan.

dead_red_eyes

Crazy_Buffet_Happens

I also worked at EB when the Game Boy Advance came out. Again, a river of shit, though I do not remember it being as mighty as the GBC's. Again, the games moved.

Now we are at the Wii and honestly the river of shit is far mightier than even the GBC. The list of pure unfettered garbage on that system is mind-blowing. There is little doubt in my mind a lot of these games are moving, too. Nintendo doesn't monitor releases the way Sony and Microsoft does (it was in a EGM article about 6 months ago), and they collect fees off all the games anyway. So much for caring about the customer!

chantastic

CitizenTian

How in the hell could I forget about RE:UC ?! I bought RE4 the day it came out for the GameCube, but I admit that the wii controls look really fun ... and the fact that it comes with the extra content seals the deal! Thanks for the reminder!

dead_red_eyes

dead_red_eyes

y2julio

I saw my baby, crying hard as babe could cry
What could I do
My babys love had gone
And left my baby blue
Nobody knew

What kind of magic spell to use
Slime and snails
Or puppy dogs tails
Thunder or lightning
Then baby said
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Put that baby spell on me
Jump magic, jump (jump magic, jump)
Jump magic, jump (jump magic, jump)
Put that magic jump on me
Slap that baby, make him free

I saw my baby, trying hard as babe could try
What could I do
My babys fun had gone
And left my baby blue
Nobody knew

What kind of magic spell to use
Slime and snails
Or puppy dogs tails
Thunder or lightning
Then baby said
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Put that baby spell on me
Jump magic, jump (jump magic, jump)
Jump magic, jump (jump magic, jump)
Put that magic jump on me
Slap that baby, make him free
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Jump magic, jump (jump magic, jump)
Jump magic, jump (jump magic, jump)
Put that baby spell on me (ooh)

You remind me of the baby
What baby? the baby with the power
What power? power of voodoo
Who do? you do
Do what? remind me of the baby

Dance magic, dance, ooh ooh ooh
Dance magic, dance magic, ooh ooh ooh
Dance magic

What kind of magic spell to use
Slime and snails
Or puppy dog tails
Thunder or lightning
Something frightening

Dance magic, dance
Dance magic, dance
Put that baby spell on me
Jump magic, jump
Jump magic, jump
Put that magic jump on me
Slap that baby make him free
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Jump magic, jump (jump magic, jump)
Jump magic, jump
Put that magic jump on me
Slap that baby
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic
Slap that slap that baby make him free
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)
Dance magic, dance (dance magic, dance)

dead_red_eyes

also, it's not quite something to get upset over. it's a passing phase taking the long way out.

Crazy_Buffet_Happens

Is anyone ever going to point out the inconsitancy here?

When PS2 was dominating the marketplace, they had the most released titles without a doubt. The vast majority of these were throw aways. I know, I worked the stores during its hayday. Folks would always ask about the titles and I would have to point them towards the handful of games that didn't suck.

In fact many of the better titles in terms of critical review were on other systems that had fewer titles and fewer sales.

The mainstream gamers came in buying Madden and a few shitty games a year. The hardcore came in an bought a few of the quality games, usually the big hitters. (Final Fantasy, Ratchet and Clank, etc)And the rest of the games collected dust.

So why is it that this is a slight against the Wii when it was a positive for the PS2?

They both were the weakest graphics of their generation, and the best sellers.

I think America at least loves crap games, or at least the option of buying them. So let us not be hypocritcal about this.

majsheppard

y2julio

Cucco

Erwin

Your comment is full of Win sir.

dead_red_eyes

And baby said ...

mjpm

dead_red_eyes

drbrownt0wn

Thrillhaus

y2julio

y2julio

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

Fonzy