2) No matter what, Nintendo has at least 1 first party Game in the top game sale every week, wheather it for Handheld or Console for the last 20 years.

3) Nintendo design there system for Nintendo game, Everyone else has the pleasure to design for it or not. What type of 3rd party game they produce is up to them.

4) Sony & MS needs 3rd games, It's a must. That why they market 3rd party games. Their bottom lines depends on it.

5) 2 years 360 has been on the market and just now seeing a great release of games, Bioshock, Halo 3, Cod4,ASsisan creed. These games have just been release within the last 4 month period. (Only 1 game is a first party title.) Give the playstation 3 & Wii another Year. (Nintendo has been out one year and produce 5 AAA Titles. All 1st Party)

Blackbutter

Seriously, the sight of Suda51 sitting there, lonely and unloved, will haunt me forever.

RawSteelUT

I never said Nintendo had to hold anyones hand but they should certainly be doing a better job in terms of 3rd party relations don't you think? You do realize that Nintendo can only make so much money with their 1st party titles right? Most of their profit should be coming from 3rd party titles in fact.

''Stop trolling and go do some research, if you think there's more crappy games on the Wii then the 360, or PS3 then your not paying attention. Don't use Metacritc as such a watermark, there's stuff they miss.''

Research? Wheres yours? Metacritic is a great review site and alot of people trust it. And how do they ''miss'' things? They gather a ton of reviews from a variety of different video game sites. Its pretty darn accurate. Look at both the lists for all the Wii scores and then compare it with the PS3's; notice all those Wii reviews listed in the red and compare it with the PS3 reviews that are also listed in the red. Then look at the amount of reviews that are positive (green):

[www.metacritic.com]

[www.metacritic.com]

asianmacker

I must ask sir what kind of drugs you are on then.

"No....that is their duty. And if they are too arrogant to realize that, then they have ALOT to be worried about. Didn't you check out the most recent NPD report? 75 percent of the video game industry revenue is from GAME SALES. The long term sustainability of any console is dependent on GAMES because thats where most of the profit comes from. You can't just sell a ton of consoles and hope your future is secure."

Go re-read what I wrote. Nintendo's duty formost and utmost is deliver Nintendo brand games worthy of the name Nintendo so they can make money. Nintendo's duty is not to go hold the hand of third parties every step of the way.

Stop trolling and go do some research, if you think there's more crappy games on the Wii then the 360, or PS3 then your not paying attention. Don't use Metacritc as such a watermark, there's stuff they miss.

Foxstar Sixtail

So Reggie is basically admitting that the Wii has bad games? Took him long enough. Its a shame Reggie doesn't go out there like Jack Tretton and Phil Harrison to secure quality 3rd party developers and exclusives. Is all the success getting to his head? Seems like it.....

@ampillion. Yes, I am a sentient, typing iguana.: The difference is, that the PS2 also had a ton of quality titles. The Wii has a few good titles and the rest are just terrible.

''"Publishers are working extremely hard to take advantage of the Wii and it's unique abilities. Those publishers who do a great job enjoy fantastic sales."''

This is probably the biggest problem of the Wii; it doesn't have much abilities. If you look at all the triple A titles that are coming out, they are either on the PS3 and 360 and not on the Wii. Of course, graphics aren't the most important thing in the world, but developers are making their games with amazing graphics; its just how it is. Unfortunately for the Wii, it will never see any of those types of games because it simply couldn't handle it. Would COD4, Assassin's Creed, UT3, and DMC4 be a great additon to the Wii libary? Sure, but its just not possible.

@Ninja-Z:

''It might have more crappy games than other systems at the moment because it is still new technology that developers have to get acquainted with.''

Its not new technology lol.......the Wii is essentially a GameCube 1.5. Not to mention the fact that motion sensing technology has been around for ages.

@Sixtail:

''Nintendo's only real duty is to deliver games worthy of the Nintendo name. As long as they do that, they have nothing to worry about.''

No....that is their duty. And if they are too arrogant to realize that, then they have ALOT to be worried about. Didn't you check out the most recent NPD report? 75 percent of the video game industry revenue is from GAME SALES. The long term sustainability of any console is dependent on GAMES because thats where most of the profit comes from. You can't just sell a ton of consoles and hope your future is secure.

''If you people took a measure of the amount of shit on the 360 and PS3, it would outweigh the Wii by far. Stop riding Nintendo for shitty games, no system can escape them and as long as they sell, they will always infest the system with the largest install base.''

I don't know what kinda dream world you are living in but the Wii has WAY more crappy games then the 360 and PS3. And if you check Metacritic, look at all the weighted averages of the Wii game reviews and it will give you a good indiction of the poor quality.

asianmacker

questworld

questworld

1. How the hell do people still keep forgetting MP3:C?

2. People need to stop citing The Orange Box as a reason to buy a PS3/360. I own a 360. I bought The Orange Box for the PC.

Mact

I forgot about that game!

I rented it and quite enjoyed it.

Mact

Call of Duty 4
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Assassin's Creed
Lost Planet

And that's just the games I have followed.

Saying the 360 doesn't have many titles is ridiculous. Stop being fanboyish, please.

Mact

But there is a difference between criticizing Tetris for being what it is and criticizing Cruis'n for being what it is.

Yes, some things are subjective, but there are absolutes.

Cruis'n is an absolutely hideous game no matter how you look at it. For being a simple racing game, that is inexcusable.

Mact

Crawl to China

Please tell me you started gaming in the Ps2 era. That has to be one of the runner ups for the most backwards retardest comments draped in the tiers of opinions. I have ever read on the internet. And that's saying a lot.

Considering that Nintendo's 1st party titles on the system alone are some of the highest rated games this generation. Not too mention some solid games that aren't mini games. I have to read your comments and put you on that popular list of people that want to act like 6th graders and bash the Wii for no good reason. When in reality I doubt you've ever even picked up a Wii-mote and played any of the games that you're bashing.

And your comment about real gamers? Okay now looking at the list I must assume that "real" gamers aren't into games that by there nature aren't interactive movies?

Wow considering that I own a Wii 10+ games (non of them mini games), it must actually be my ownership of a 360 and 5 games that validate my status as a "real" gamer.

You haters are such noodles (ie: lamers)!

Just answer me one question does the constant baseless hating ever get old? Ever?

FunKrusher

Reggie...give us a break. Subjective my ass.

Nintendo could make it a requirement to have certain criteria met before a game is released on Wii. Examples ...

Glitches

Control schemes that don't work

Obvious unfinished design

sound glitches

framerate issues

pathetic texture work or models (ie: looks unfinished)

Glitchy animations (ie: looks unfinished)

Examples of games that should have been denied release on Wii...

RED STeel

Farcry

Monster Truck 4x4

Metal of Honor Heroes 2

OffRoad Extreme

Cruis n'

Trauma Center

Avatar

Donkey Kong Barrel Blast

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Brackynews

As far as this thing about 3rd party junk, I think a bunch of companies are only in the gaming market for a quick buck. Don't act like all 3rd party games are good... Sonic the Hedgehog for the 360/PS3... freaking terrible...

By the way, I never saw what was wrong with 1st party titles, the way most people talk about them it's like it's a sin to play a game thats actually GOOD... I'm speculative about 3rd party games, but doesn't stop the fact that I have more 3rd party games than 1st party. (out of all my systems and all that is.)

Shaoko

There's also the issue of Nintendo's agreements with third parties in the NES era leading to lawsuits, monopoly charges, rebellions of developers starting in the SNES era and expanding in the N64 era, etc.

[query.nytimes.com]

The suit centered on Nintendo's former practice of requiring private game developers to grant Nintendo exclusive rights to new games for two years in exchange for a license to use the Nintendo system.

Nintendo said the practice, which it dropped in 1990, was necessary for quality control in an American industry that had been weakened by a proliferation of mediocre games. Atari said Nintendo used its exclusive-rights contracts and monopoly power to lock up lucrative games.

sxp151, the happy-headed nose

Foxstar Sixtail

I think Super Mario Galaxy should be the goal for any game developed for the wii. Galaxy shows us that the games can look Awe inspiring and have high end graphics.

3rd parties, stop the ports, stop the party games. Follow Mario's lead.

leeallens

krunkjuice

@Millz: Nintendo can't market other parties titles for them. It's their own damn fault.

@Jabbertrack: Here's a newsflash. The "Nintendo Seal" was a marketing ploy dreamed up in the 80's to help kind of smooth out the backlash from the big crash of 83. It worked all but two years once the system launched in the USA and then on, it became impossable to run the games before any sort of testing board. How do you people not know this? Ask anyone who worked for Nintendo in the 80's, read Game Over or ask a video game retailer who's been around long enough.

@manicfoot: You would be incorrect. Most kids are causal gamers and will open and play a crappy title for a few days or weeks, then trade it in towards something else. No parent is going to get pissed at Nintendo for a bad game being on the system and those that do are not worth worrying about. Most retailers worth their salt will steer parents away from shit.

@kusarigama: Nintendo's only real duty is to deliver games worthy of the Nintendo name. As long as they do that, they have nothing to worry about.

@7th: Yeah, there's a load of shit on the DS too. Guess what? There's a lot more of the good stuff too. Beyond that your bias is showing, making any view point you state, tainted. Try again.

If you people took a measure of the amount of shit on the 360 and PS3, it would outweigh the Wii by far. Stop riding Nintendo for shitty games, no system can escape them and as long as they sell, they will always infest the system with the largest install base.

Foxstar Sixtail

Mukatsuku

Iberianpower

Tzepish

In 8/16bit era it sure as hell was. And on handhelds they have always been and still are.

ara

And I hate all you people you nay say on the Wii because it doesn't have your precious HD graphics. Gaming is not all about who can put the prettiest picture on the screen, the games have to play well too. It's about the whole package and, quite honestly, many developers have put out some shite games that looked really good but they seriously forgot about the gameplay and control bits.

I can admit that all the systems have some top tier games on them right now, and Orange Box doesn't count for the 360 and PS3 as it's a port of a PC game (PCs kick console ass any day), but each have their fair share of total crap games.

We're still early in the cycle of two of the three systems, and still not that much further ahead for the 360 to be honest, that the really high quality games are going to come out. The best games on a console general come in the mid to late years of a console's lifespan as developers finally figure out the best ways to utilize the system.

Give it time, when more developers take Nintendo's hints about how best to use the Mote then we'll really have some killer third-party games for the Wii.

NoaAltwynn

Leofan7

Never "seen" this happening but heard a few developers insinuations regarding this policies .. dunno

Ludwig

Soldier_CLE

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

The credibility of this console? Did anyone knock the PS2 as a terrible gaming system merely because of the load upon load of crap titles that were made for it? No. In fact, you can probably directly blame the PS1-2 era for most of these crap titles, because they started the whole 'cheapware' generation. Did that somehow make the PS1-PS2 bad for gaming?

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

There are 11 games that have an average score above an 80, and two of the games over 90 are gamecube games. Being a nintendo fan, that's pretty troubling.

If nintendo wants to retain the credibility of this console, they really need to put in some quality control.

kusarigama

Earth to Reggie:

No publisher other than you is enjoying fantastic sales.

Millz

TheHeartless

PJ Moreno

Yes, the Wii has crappy games. It might have more crappy games than other systems at the moment because it is still new technology that developers have to get acquainted with. While it doesn't have stellar graphics or mind-blowing specs, the implementation of motion control as the system standard means that developers have to work around an entirely new control system. Nintendo's got it easy since they were the ones responsible for motion controls. Everybody else is still catching up, learning the basics if you will. This might actually be a logical explanation for last-gen ports and mini-game compilations. These sort of games aren't too taxing on a developer's budget and allow for some experimenting with the Wiimote. Therefore, once developers get to producing an original title for the Wii, they'll already have some experience under their belt. With the PS3 and 360, they don't require as much re-orientation as the Wii when developing games. That naturally means that developers will be able to pump out more stellar games in a shorter amount of time.

Of course, bad developers will always be bad, but it's foolish to think that Nintendo's third party support with the Wii is atrocious. Developers just need time to actually get the hang of the system before they can start pumping out the games all of you are craving for, and then the Wii's third-party support might mean much, much more.

Ninja-Z

Does this make sense to anyone?

Jabbertrack

manicfoot

sxp151, the happy-headed nose

You forgot:

Mass Effect
Call of Duty 4
Beautiful Katamari
Ace Combat
Orange Box
Assassin's Creed
Bioshock

...and that is all from just the last quarter.

Lackshmana

Yes, I am serious.

Age of Empires
Megaman ZX
Megaman ZX Advent
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Meteos
Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania Portrait of Ruin
Contra 4
Bleach: The Blade of Fate
Geometry Wars
Final Fantasy 12 Revenant Wings
Dragon Quest Monster: Joker
Lunar Knights

None of those are "casual" games, none of those are Nintendo games, none of those are ports.

The DS is the home of REAL Mega Man games, REAL Sonic games, and its a lot of fun for anyone interested in playing video games aimed at the gamer market.

The point I was making regarding the DS being a better strategy than the Wii is that 3rd part games on the Wii don't sell, while games on the DS do.

Lackshmana

KaneTaker

There are more than a few titles worth owning on EVERY major system now available. Saying there are 0 titles worth owning on PS3 is just plain ignorant and stupid. It's a dumb argument, stop bringing it up.

The point is that since there is no quality filter for nintendo, all the really shitty games that normally wouldn't even be on a console slip through and waste space on retail shelves. You can defend this by saying that "oh but good stuff gets through too!" but wouldn't it still get through with a quality check in place?

There's a pretty big difference between a game that you think is strange, and a cell phone or flash port of a game that was barely fun on said medium. I'm looking at you cake-mania.

This is all subjective of course, but I'm positive that if you go and look at Nintendo's current selection, you will find more than a few games that never deserved to even come out. Much more so than Microsoft or Sony.

Conversely though, it gives fledgling developers a chance to get their games out to a bigger audience without being shut down right off the bat. But if they're not going to try hard enough to pass quality assurance tests, do we even want to play their games?

CaptLtrl

Mohrdikai

I can't argue that the potential isn't there, but I've been skeptical of the entire thing since the beginning, and so far I feel like I'm right when it comes to third-party games.

Right now I don't think Nintendo has much incentive to push third-party developers to create quality games; their console is selling like hotcakes and their first-party software sells just as well.

It might not be until the the Wii sales start to taper off and first-party software is fewer and far between that Nintendo will finally put their foot down and say "Stop making bad games."

Big World

Are you serious? The DS library sucks just as much as the Wii's it's just that there's so much more suck to choose from on the DS.

You have a handful of great games, mostly Nintendo titles, surrounded by shitty ports, rehashes, twitch casual titles, and SNES/N64 games that have just had touch controls tacked on. Same concept, different "innovation." It's a handheld Wii, a game system based on outdated technology that relies on its control gimmick and price to stay relevant.

7th

Anyway, the presence of shitty games doesn't imply the absence of quality games. Like with cable TV, more popularity -> more choices -> more crap + more quality material.

killerrobosaurus

@Iberianpower: Thank you for proving my point...again.

KaneTaker

Vecha

Considering the fact that the Wii has established itself as the best selling console of this generation that only opens new doors in terms of games and exclusives. OF course not every game on the system is going to be as good as a Nintendo title or a PS3 AAA title, but that's not to say that the Wii won't have any good third party games. The fact is that Nintendo's use of a motion-sensitive controller is relatively new to program for compared to how games have been developed in the past. Writing off the motion-sensitive control scheme in the first year (of what can only be an at least a 4-5 year console war) is nothing less than short-sighted. I agree that many 3rd party games have been crap but you cannot doubt the potential the Wii has to bring some unique, great games.

NeoAkira

Iberianpower

The last Nintendo system to win a console war had both great first party and great third party titles and that system was the SNES. No one can doubt the greatness of that system. But until we stop seeing PS2 ports with wiimote wrist mashing tacked on serving as the bulwark of the wii third party lineup, the sales are not going to be relevant. Wii doesn't get the respect that a market leader deserves and that's a big reason why.

Gagamus

And those two would be:

Conspiracy Entertainment:
Anubis II
Billy the Wizard: Rocket Broomstick Racing
Myth Makers: Super Kart GP
Myth Makers: Orbs of Doom
Ninjabread Man
Octopuzzle
Winter Sports: The Ultimate Challenge

Destination Software:
Arctic Tale
Balls of Fury
Chicken Shoot
Garfield Gets Real
M&M's Kart Racing
Monster Trucks Mayhem
Sea Monsters: A Prehistoric Adventure
Showtime Championship Boxing
Yamaha Supercross

The quality of what these companies put out is not subjective. It's crap. There is no level of standards if this is the kind of stuff that is quickly taking over store shelves.

shipwreck

If Capcom keeps up their Wii support (Street Fighter IV, etc) The Wii will be worth owning for Nintendo and Capcom support alone, IMO.

Robotube

KaneTaker

TOCATL

Silent Predator

Well said. Marketing dollars make huge differences in game sell throughs. Simple examples are ICO vs. Shadow of the Collossus. Both equally "odd" games, but Shadow had more marketing money and eventually became the platinum seller it deserved to be.

Zack & Wiki, on the otherhand, is a new IP, suffers from a terrible title, a kid-like them, no marketing, and only word of mouth to push it through.

kwan

That being said, I could make the same kind of closed-minded list on the Wii's titles, since that kind of shit is up to the interpretation of the poster. There is no golden standard saying Wario Ware is fantastic, as people who don't like minigames think it's total shit. So in my mind, the only games worth buying on Wii are:
Super Mario Galaxy
Twilight Princess (oh, but that's on GameCube too and with better controls and a non-flipped world map)
Er...
Smash Bros. Brawl (not out yet, crap!)
Um...yeah...there's some other ones...
No More Heroes?

See? I can make a blanket list and pose it as fact too!

Archaotic

I don't agree with the whole "dumping ground" idealogoy though. Sony's systems always had a high ratio of shovel-ware simply because they aren't a real gaming company and don't have a clue how to regulate quality, seeing as how they don't know what quality is. The ONLY reason that things like sandbox gameplay appeared on the playstation first is because sony knew they weren't a gaming company, so they bought any exclusive rights they could. You throw a stick of dynamite in the water and of course you'll get a couple record-breaking fish... while killing the entire lake in the process. I can't say enough bad things about sony. Simply put, they didn't learn Atari's lesson and are making the EXACT same mistakes. First they managed to get in the market by sheer luck. Next they use business tactics that only allow smaller third parties to work on their system. Then they start with the shovel ware. Inexplicably they don't lose much of a market share over all of this initially (apparently the consumer is also ignorant of history) so they get cocky, just like atari did, and also, just like atari, they come out with a high-powered system and don't bother to make any games for it. Mark my words, they'll be out of the console business within the next two generations.

I have no problem with m$ btw. They push innovation on the hardware and networking side of things. Xbox live is nothing short of brilliant and the pc-like architecture all the companies use now is all them. Nintendo is the one that always ends up pushing the actual gameplay experience though. Every generation they've re-invented the controller, for example. Sony has given us the eye-toy and... umm that's it.

HowardC

sn1per420

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

Actually that isn't ture at all man. First off, clerks are brain-dead. Secondly children give their parents a list, so they don't have to ask, the gaming industry is far to complicated for simple-minded mom and dad. (You tell your parents you want Super Mario Galaxy in passing and all they hear is "mario" so you could end up with super paper mario or mario strikers, or mario party. Thus the list). Third there are all kinds of good games for the wii and 5 or 6 fantastic ones. Titles that come to mind are:

Super Paper Mario
Zelda Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Rayman
Wario Ware
Guitar Hero III
ect....

I actually have a much MUCH more difficult time listing 5 or 6 good games on the 360. (Sorry Blazealot the ps3 is STILL a POS and there are 0 titles worth buying, with the exception of ratchet and clank, which everybody knows is a poor-man's mario.) Seriously, think about it... the 360 has a whole years head-start and you have fewer great titles for it. The only ones I can think of are:

Halo 3 (Bah!)
Gears of War
Dead Rising
umm....
Guitar Hero III
umm....
Rock Band? No wait, nobody actually has the room or can afford that monstrosity, much less keep the guitars working. Great idea, poor execution.

So I think people need to quit calling the "wii kettle" black. Sure there are a lot more titles on the 360, there just aren't a lot of good titles, much less great ones.

HowardC

makemoney

First off, Nintendo has never really 'struggled'. Maybe they haven't been market share leaders for awhile on a home system, but they sell their consoles for a profit, or close enough to it. Even if they do not win a market share race, they still come out making money. Regardless of your opinion on their games, they are still running strong as a game company, and the only thing that will slow them down at this point is running out of ideas and failure to evolve with the market. Ideas they got, evolving however has always been a bit slow for Nintendo's end.

Second, using the "You keep your 'name crappiest games on system', I have my 'Expensive AAA games list, half of which will not be out for a year's time." argument to label who gamers are is about the stupidest thing ever done. 'Real gamers' can like anything. Sure, they like those games. Duh. If they didn't, you wouldn't see any of those games, since more than half your list is sequels and franchises that already have followings. I guess 'real gamers' should have loved Lair too?

I consider myself a 'real gamer', having grown up on the things and played them throughout my lifetime. Because I play Animal Crossing, or Wario Ware, or Harvest Moon does not magically make me less of a gamer. Actually, I'd say it makes me more of one, because I have a broader scope of games I can really enjoy. (Outside of the being broke/between jobs issue which ultimately makes me only one-eighth gamer.) I've said it before here, and I'll say it again. I will blame the narrow-mindedness of the average 'gamer' for a lot of problems. If you can't get over yourself long enough to try something really good outside of your blessed shooter/JRPG/simulation/platform genres, you're not a gamer. Because you're deciding to disregard quality just because it's not quality within your narrow scope.

Ultimately, yes, Nintendo should have some sort of control on what's put on their system. They should definitely sit down with third parties and tell them 'Look, mini-games, it's been done. You're not going to make a name for yourself on our system by making another one.' It'll always be hard to compete against Nintendo on their own system, because they usually have the strongest first party of all the systems. But with it's control system, someone should be able to find a good idea out there, and turn it into the next Katamari.

The gaming market has become the new 'popular' money machine. With the demand of the Wii and DS now, and the overall huge markets created by the PS2, gaming is much more a common household activity than it was in the NES days. If you think that, somehow, there would be less and less crap out on the market to take advantage of these entertainment dollars... well then, I guess people haven't really been paying attention.

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

Since the Wii is relatively new, everyone's going to have to deal with these confort-zone games, but as they oversaturate the market with mini-game compilations and Pokemon-wannabes, you'll start to see developers branch out with those unique games. The quality will be questionable, but that's the price you have to pay to see something new.

boopadoo

After all, from the looks of it, you're the one tooting their horn. I'm just stating facts. At my store, when people ask what's good on the Wii, we ALL say Galaxy. Nothing else ever gets mentioned because nothing else meets that standard.

Archaotic

Petz: Hamsterz. Kill me in the face.

CaptLtrl

Vader582

Seems like you read none of the comments, as not a single one of them refers to what you're talking about. You seem to be the only one bringing that up. Everyone besides you is posting intelligent comments.

Doomstink

Excellent logical rebuttal.

HAGE

KaneTaker

cooldood

zer0zen

I understand what Reggie's getting at, though, because once you try to judge based on quality (outside of making sure that the game is free of defects, and other QA basics) it truly is a slippery slope that could keep some great ideas from market (even more so than already get kept away by the business itself) because if whoever gets to judge the game happens to miss the point (which as we know, NEVER EVER happens in the game media) then the game never gets released. Iwata-san had an interesting interview a while back where he mentioned that nowadays in the industry, something like Tetris might never make it past a pitch.

Meanwhile, other developers see the potential now, but haven't had time to do much.

This is right on the mark, though. That, combined with the amount of followers out there. I DO shrug every time I see ads for Brain Wave, Horsez 2 and Hamsterz, but "me too" shovelware is simply part of the industry, most anywhere.

HAGE

Just do the same as with Nintendo DS to promote the gadget so casual and core gamers will be satisfied. I think it´s a bit of a issue, like promoting Adobe Photoshop for developers and for your grandma as well would be difficult, but they´ve done it, right? a professional software is a slang for "photo manipulation". Same goes for games alike. The marketing campaign of nintendo sure helped to gather you with your family waggling around with the wiimote, but at the same time, it gave a impression of a "simple and easy to learn", not the "you can do anything with it, even if you´re a retard of a neurotic geek you´ll have fun with this thing"

Wyld

At any rate, I do wish Nintendo would put some quality controls back in place. Crap like Crusin' is going to ultimately choke the Wii and consumers are going to start to assume that it's only a bunch of shit on the platform.

MR. FAP☆FAP!

Even more after the video game crash, Nintendo was a safe bet for third party holders.

But yeah, Never is too strong there, their was a time when nintendo was king of the yard, and it still has a very good shot the great-grandson can reclaim that yard this generation.

huginn

Vader582

Because Nintendo is a business, therefore they should know to look past the present.

Eventually, consoles will slow down in sales.

Yes, hardware is selling, but how about software?

Business is about projections, not just what is happening now.

Mact

muffinmcmuffin

Generic fantard much?

Nintendo, in fact, published 12 Wii games and 16 DS games in America in 2007. Of the Wii games, at least 50% could probably be argued as "targeted at the core gamer," whatever your retarded standard for "real game" is.

What most people who buy Nintendo games quickly realize is that almost all their titles, no matter how different or off the wall, all meet a certain base standard of quality and polish.

Nintendo's pretty easily the best publisher in the world at delivering a consistently refined end user experience. Even simple examples like the Wii channel music embody that kind of philosophy.

HAGE

I actually have a bit of an opposite theory.

I think the reason for all the minigames is that, initially, third party devs didn't know what the hell to do with the system.

They didn't want to throw there whole force behind developing titles for this system that could flop because, well, then your just screwed yourself out of millions.

Turns out, some minigames were successful (Raving Rabbids) and then crappy sequels were released. Meanwhile, other developers see the potential now, but haven't had time to do much. Remember, the Wii has only been out for a year now, and its success is just now arriving. Huge titles like MP3:C and SMG have been in development for years! Quality takes time, which is unfortunate in the Wii's case.

Mact

It's like marketing a hellokitty branded item to a boy. Sure he can use it like any other item, but the market segment intended here that the manufacture wanted clearly isn't for him. Nintendo isn't going after the hard gamer, they're shooting more for the casual and nintendo diehards.

huginn

Cuz why do anything about it when Wii is already selling like wildfire?

iamnotdryad

That or Nintendo's quality control team needs its own quality examined.

Cruis'n should have never existed in the form it does.

Granted, I love my Wii and don't regret buying it for a moment.

I loved MP3:C. Godfather amused me (so much fun with a Wiimote). Twilight Princess was great. I eagerly await winter break to break into SMG, Battalion Wars II, and Zak and Wiki. And, ultimately, I want Brawl whose release will make all other games irrelevant to me. Even then, I want Mario Kart Wii.

Problem is though, of all the games on the Wii that I love/look forward to, only two are from third party publishers. In fact, on release schedules for Wii, I basically skip over anything not published by Nintendo because I'm not interested in minigames. That's what portables are for... If you're going to give me multiplayer, give me a REAL multiplayer experience.

Seriously Reggie, what happened to kicking ass and taking names? Because some third party devs definitely need a spanking.

Mact

fearing

By and large, if you were a parent and you had to pick between the Wii's library of "Galaxy and nothing else worth playing" or the PS2's juggernaut, what would you get for your kid? Quality control needs to be exercised on Wii games, if not implementing some sort of Wii Budget Games label where people can KNOW before plunking down $50 that they're buying a low-budget piece of crap.

Archaotic

sir_blazeAlot

@Mukatsuku: I think you're pretty much right on, the real problem is the huge disparity between the capabilities of the Wii and the other 2.

Madeira

"On any system you will have a range of quality. Publishers are working extremely [complacently] to take advantage of the Wii and it's [limited] abilities. Those publishers who do a great job enjoy fantastic sales. As publishers understand how to take advantage of the [gimmicky] aspects of the remote you will see [more] and [more] games. We already have a certification program and publishers need to conform with a [couple] of key aspects to get certified. What we don't do is have some sort of filter for quality, because quality is so [bad on all of our third-party software]. Nintendo is working [cash in] glove with publishers to share with them our level of expertise with the [proprietary technology, which we will not share with anyone. I'm rich bitch]."

Big World

This is why i bought more games on the VC then on the actual retail.

I would rather play old Zelda and Ninja Gaiden games then shitty mini games any day.

MURDERFACE

Yeah, to hell with a quality filter. Wii needs more crappy games like Red Steel.

iamnotdryad

Iron Man Underoos

comment of the week imo

iamnotdryad

kevko

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Archaotic

So Zak and Wiki is selling through the roof then?
I don't think the quality of titles has anything to do with software sales on the Wii. I get the feeling that a system selling mostly to people who don't regularly play games is not gonna get a large amount of game sales. Color my pessimistic, but I don't see the Nintendo Wii ever having a particularly high attach rate when the majority of it's sales appear to be made by non gamers.

I'm sure Nintendo is just overflowing with happiness about this whole situation, but I very much doubt that developers are gonna be able to turn strong system sales in to strong game sales unless they completely convert to making mini game collections and "casual" games. This in turn saturates the game market for the Wii, and you end up with low cost, low quality, and eventually low sales.

Now, that is all a bit of a "the sky is falling" look at things...but I sold my Wii and bought a 360, so I don't profess to have a lot of faith or hope placed in the Wii.

On the other hand, the DS seems like a perfect model for Nintendo to follow, and I really wish they would. It has tons of the light games for people who bought it on a whim, and a killer selection of genuine video games.

Lackshmana

rockett1

Graphics themselves aside, why shouldn't we be able to pick up a game like God of War for the Wii? It doesn't seem that much of a stretch to me, especially now that the company is starting to shake the image of being the Pokemon company.

antialias02

No, it isn't. He knows full well that a lot of these third party games are mediocre at best but he doesn't care because he knows that they'll sell.

iamnotdryad

Yeah, Nintendo's probably the LAST company that should be educating people on game production, Mario Galaxy's quality be damned.

Archaotic

Mukatsuku

wearafrown

Nintendo has Never been known for its third party title exclusive hits. It cuts into quality and makes us suffer through new gameplay in terms of the same names and places we are used to (with some exceptions)

The Wii might bring some nice titles to match with its nitch controller, but we should hardly be expecting GoW (gears or god) esq third party exclusive killer aps.

@Aitrus233: That seal of quality really was never meant for reputation, it just meant that nintendo licensed the title and it wasn't a third party knock off

huginn

RJdog

Aitrus233

Having dealt in the realm of mobile game development, which are far less expensive and EXPECTED to be of much lower quality, we need to follow very strict quality guidelines, not only in terms of functionality, but also in terms of gameplay, UI, and intuitiveness. Game play testing companies need to be hired and give their stamp of approval before a carrier will even accept a mobile game, and they are within their rights to reject games for sucking.

I think Nintendo has enough of a reputation at stake where they should be implementing similar guidelines. There have been numerous Wii games where the control was horrible, and issues like that should have never passed Nintendo QC guidelines.

Robotube

zeezee