Maybe you have some weird definition of "biological" or "gender", but whether a person is male or female (what I call gender) is definitely what I call biological.

almo

hikkifan1986

Luckydan

Robert Isbell

I work at EB and before the regular customers knew me they admitted that they thought I would know nothing. It's frustrating, extremely.

CallmeMongoose

rhinestonedarling

this is English?

JohnDoe

typeofbreastcancer.info

The common thread in all of these women's experiences illustrates the fact best - quoting from Tory, "it was more difficult at first than it would have been for a guy coming in. I really do genuinely think that."

She is only describing discrimination she felt. Most discrimination happens behind closed doors. It's why women are much less likely to hold positions of power in companies. Clearly, it is not because of incompetency since competence can be found in equal numbers across all genders, but because of conscious and unconscious bias from people in charge (who happen to not be women).

hikkifan1986

hikkifan1986

theherlihyboy

Roberta Williams is the #1 woman in gaming.

@zoesch: Agreed 100%

I'm all for more people in gaming.

Alls I care about are mo betta games.

balls187

Isn't it time to stop talking about this?

miniboss1232

There was always a fair chunk of women there (though not much, maybe at least one every project), and although it surprises the guys in the group at first, after the first month of testing you're all just comrades shooting at each other and counting the kills while keeping track of the bugs in the end. (CRC flunkie after QA testing)

MelodyKitn

Automageddon!

There's always been plenty, best example? Roberta Williams.

zoesch

budash2

Eville1 says SKUse me a sec.

..Better than playing Barbie's Horse Adventure or that god awful Superman game. Ugh.

Eville1 says SKUse me a sec.

Automageddon!

Tei

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Eville1 says SKUse me a sec.

Seems to me a lot of men had mothers growing up ...

@Chilly Hollow:

No offense, and I don't mean to single you out, but it's curious to me how often you hear women complain about age and sex prejudism as they get older whilst saying that men get more attractive as they age. You never hear them complain from 15-40 when they absolutely run shit ...

Meanwhile, men are represented as complete and utter child-like idiots in the media. Every other commercial and sitcom has the knowing, omniscient mother and the moron father who couldn't wipe his ass without her help. Why is this an acceptable stereotype? If there were commercials or shows showing women barefoot, pregnant and ditsy, locked by ball and chain to the oven, I'm pretty sure they would be overwhelmed with complaints.

I guess it's the same sort of thing for clubs and institutions. You can have a women's club, a women's college, a black college, but no men's clubs, no white colleges, and there are only a handful of men's only colleges. Why is that? I'm not arguing that there should be, but the whole concept of reverse-discrimination just irks me. There's no such thing! Discrimination is discrimination, regardless of the impetus.

Maybe I'm getting old, but I just don't see why there are always uplifting news stories about women trying to go to the Citadel or whatever, while the guy who wanted to play female field hockey was crucified. I'm really not a misogynist, I'm just wondering why there's a shifting double-standard instead of its elimination. (And, yes, I realize that historically, and even currently, women have been oppressed. But does that mean that the opposite is warranted?)

Strangelove

But then, I also worked with amazing men in QA that likewise will never get a minute in the spotlight. I think it's an aspect of game production that would do to have more attention paid to it. And the funniest, snarkiest, most creative people I have met were also in QA. ^_^

mkillerbear

mgslegrand

Tei

As far as a lead character being a woman, there are many examples, Shamus, Lara Croft, etc. And, of course, any character I create in a game is a woman, because I simply prefer women to men. Quite frankly, if Lara Croft had been "Larry Croft" I wouldn't have had any interest at all in the game.

bornonce

y2julio

Jay

Krytha

@Dead Air ummm Dead Air: I know you're trying to be funny, but why even mention your opinion on a woman's attractiveness? Maybe if her job was modeling it would be a part of the business, but putting someone on the hot-or-not scale is generally objectifying and demeaning. If would be more fair if you also objectified men in the gaming industry ( for example, Myamoto = not hot) at the same time, oh and also if you put your own picture up and invite comments about your attractiveness.

gojirah

I'm hoping this is a generational thing that folks in their 30s won't experience, but I am not about to put any money on a bet that this'll be the case. Prejudice is very hard to eradicate, either in oneself or others. It appears when you least expect it.

Chilly Hollow

Automageddon!

NumberONE

We all went through grade school and high school where 90%+ of faculty were women. I would hope after twelve years of schooling with four years of college and possibly a few years of post-graduate education one could control that self-serving id a little and do your damn job.

Caduceus

Jade and Altair can eat it.
That is all.

NumberONE

lethalphoenix

Ghede

The Portal is all knowing.

swirldude

Swift_

lethalphoenix

Ok, in all seriousness, after reading the interview I can see that her experiences are about what we'd expect them to be from a pro. woman in the industry, but I'm about getting to the point where I feel that to really see how far women have come, we need to stop giving them the gold star for doing their job. It's quite the accomplishment to penetrate the boys club that is games, but now it's time to get to work.

I do agree though that hey all unfairly aren't taken seriously in the beginning. Jade Raymond is a producer on what was prediceted to be the hottest new IP in games, and I don't think a publisher like Ubisoft would give her that gig just becasue she's pretty. Now the marketing of her with the game, that's another story. But I'm sure her intial job is due to her qualifications and skills. Don't pervert that with italics later.

Also, I take it back. This Elspeth Tory is kinda pretty.

Dead Air ummm Dead Air