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WK016 — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 16:40:11 MST

If he did that at Nintendo World Store here in NYC, I'd definitely go. Don't very much care for the skirt though. >.>;;

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gaming_otaku — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:03:25 MST

I don't think it would have sold well even if it had been on the 360 or PS3. Japan isn't gaming much in general, and the game just doesn't seem as instantly appealing as many other games. Maybe it's great, but somehow, that point isn't coming across well. Think Psychonauts or Prince of Persia: Sands of Time: both great games on various consoles, and neither sold well. You may not be able to put these games down once you play them, but there's that "oomph" missing from getting you to play the game in the first place.

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griffinrider — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:43:18 MST

@AlphaTwo: Good Insight.

I don't particularly care for this GTA sort of game, but I'm pulling for it to do well in the states to spur other 3rd parties to bring unique games to Wii. They came to DS eventually.

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Metropolis3 — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 15:00:23 MST

Lol, GO JAPAN!!! Looks like there are heroes!! Hope the game bombs here in Europe too!!! Serves Suda's racist spineless attitudes right!! Europeans can handle blood as well!

Its not just about the blood, i'm not that sad, it's just that, a) Suda51 went against his promise of releasing the gore-fest over here, b) blood was a key hype point for me, and c) now the cool blood has gone what's left? Clunky overworld, repetitive combat, overall sub-par graphics and stupid fountains of ash. Cool characters are NOT worth £40 ($80). End of.

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chaos242 — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:41:59 MST

I would have gone just to ogle the chick. Fuck, she's hot. Only a few Japanese chicks can pull off the blonde hair and she's one of them. Good job.

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Suzaku — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:15:21 MST

Well, Suda and Kojima are gonna team up to continue the Snatcher series... So hopefully they'll get some love. And maybe they'll make some stuff for the PS3...

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Dauragon C. Mikado — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:23:56 MST

Man if I saw that cosplayer I would have bought 5 copies.

Anyway, yeah this is pretty sad. If I'm not mistaken this has been going on for a while in japan right?

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alzheimers — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:54:17 MST

Aside from Miyamoto and Carmack, how many of you would recognize a "famous" video game maker apart from the crowd around you on a busy street?

Especially if they looked like they were trying to sell you TP.

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DamienMagi — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:38:38 MST

If they were in America and in the Indiana Regieon. I would force my friend's that have a Wii to buy this game. It's much of a chance from the ever so many "compilation" games. Mario Party style games.

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UrielOblivious — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:07:51 MST

That's just sad. I would have bought NMH, and meeting the creators would have been a nice bonus. Damn, why don't I live in Japan.

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UrielOblivious — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:05:28 MST

That's so sad. I would have bought that game. NMH looks like so much fun, and meeting the creators would just be an added bonus. Damn, why don't I live in Japan.

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erlik — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:59:44 MST

I'm a little surprised at the "that girl is HAWT" posts. Maybe it's just the lighting, but to me her face doesn't look pretty at all. Nice legs, though.

erlik

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inphanta — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:43:07 MST

@RawSteelUT: Rubbish. If this was on the 360, virtually NOBODY in Japan would've bought it. And if you think so-called "core" players would've bought this on the PS3, then you've obviously never heard of Ico (a niche PS2 game that didn't do well).

It would've been no different in the west. Regardless of platform, this is a game that will only sell to gamers. But this is probably going over your head as you'd rather make generalisations about the Wii's ENTIRE user base, wouldn't you?

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cybereality — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:52:01 MST

I think everyones just waiting for the *real* version of the game to come out in America to buy the import. Who really wants to play a "mature" game that foregos blood for gray sweat?

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thereturnoftheufo — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:47:19 MST

Here's my question. Did anybody KNOW about this event? Perhaps if some of the gamers knew about it, they would have had a better turn out. But it looks like no one advertised this...

And yes Famitsu has gone crackwhorish on their reviews.

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thereturnoftheufo — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:44:31 MST

@RawSteelUT: Lots of shit games get high scores in Famitsu. Like Lair. Like Ocean Blue.

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thereturnoftheufo — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:44:04 MST

It's a shame people ask for Wii games that don't match the casual player and no one buys =/

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Baku — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:22:57 MST

Thats a shame... I really want this game and I want it to do well, but seeing as it comes out the same week as Smash Bros... Well, yeah, pretty self-explanatory situation

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CallMeRotten — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:40:36 MST

Should have put it on the PS2, would have sold and bet folks would import it too.

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Ainai — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:55:12 MST

It's a damn shame. I would've been there had I not lived across the Pacific. Suda51 is a niche developer so low sales numbers were expected, but a no-show at an event of this stature is just plain sad (granted, it's not the scale of a Square-Enix launch party).

Let's not kid ourselves, people -- you don't play Suda51's games for the gameplay (a Nintendo staple). His games ooze style over substance. I plan to support Suda51's efforts once No More Heroes reaches the states because his games are anything but cookie-cutter.

Ainai

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ryoshi — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:29:44 MST

Jeez. I would KILL to be able to have Suda 51 sign one of my games. This is really sad.

ryoshi

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Jaded150 — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:23:47 MST

Damnit. I was Taipei until today, otherwise I totally would've gone down there to get a copy. :(

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Overklocked — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:22:45 MST

My money's going to this game now, not Smash Bros. Nintendo already makes enough money--Suda needs mine!

Overklocked

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Zen Grenadier — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:12:33 MST

Aw man, I would have Wada sign my entire Harvest Moon collection and Suda sign my copy of Killer 7 along with my copy of NMH if I was there.

I also would have grabbed 10 rolls of paper too. Good shit!

Zen Grenadier

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bitnard — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:00:03 MST

I really don't think its a problem of good taste in games in part of the Japanese gamers as the sales of the wii games globally is generally the same heck even the hardware is selling more than the software except for wii sport & wii play !!
Nintendo wanted casual market and it got it non gamers having wii parties to play the wii toy !!.
anyway the gamecube had the same thing resident evil zero anyone ??

bitnard

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Gunhaver — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:22:55 MST

@RawSteelUT: Actually, there's frankly embarrassing amounts of money to be made on the Wii by third parties. One word: makecasualgames.

After all a fool (in this case, anybody that buys casual games) and her money are soon parted.

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Wa-Keen — Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:10:18 MST

zomg, that girl is fine!

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questworld — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:27:45 MST

If this was on the PS3 or 360 instead of the Wii, it wouldn't be one of the games I'd clamoring for to get a Wii version. Not to say it's bad (not that any of us really knows for sure), it just feels like, well, Manhunt 2 for instance.

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questworld — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:21:55 MST

It's not like Killer 7 did well on either the PS2 or the Cube so I'm not entirely surprised about the lackluster interest in this one. I personally only got a mild increase in interest for this title based on some of the quirkiness and characterization. Otherwise the combat isn't wowing me much. It looks rather boring and repetitive, at least as far as the henchmen go. I might try it out but I'm pretty much on the fence on this game (more on the no buy side actually).

And let the whole "Wii is only for Wii Fit type of game" speak simmer down. You know very well that if games like Metal Gear Solid were the ones coming over, it would be selling better than this. Just because it's stylized with supposed M-rating levels of violence, it doesn't mean that that's what makes a "mature" game a big draw to crowds. I'll bet if the PS2 got this game it wouldn't make much of a dent either. I mean we've got games like God Hand or what not and those didn't exactly light up charts either. I guess we'll see how well it does in the North American market.

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drbrownt0wn — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:05:43 MST

@Digitalguardian: I don't want shit =[, which is why I own great games like Zack & Wiki and MOH:H2. Third parties need the support big time - and gamers need their hands on these games if they want MORE of them.

It's pretty obvious to me that since this is a transition time in gaming (with Nintendo gaining a stronghold, temporary or not) that third parties would not suddenly flock or succeed on a Nintendo console like they may have in the SNES days. With that noted, it really is up to us folks with the moneys to push through these times and show that we really DON'T want Bratz the Gamez and other shovelware.

I'm buying NMH on day 1.

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fumar — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:43:04 MST

God I hope Americans buy this, I know I will.

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Leanid — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:22:22 MST

I doubt NMH would have any sort of mass appeal in the west either, especially America. The style of the game just doesn't fit with the general gaming population in North America. Not enough shoot'an and FOOTBALL FOOTBALL FOOTBALL for the mainstream gaming audience.

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dead_red_eyes — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:27:49 MST

@Kuraudo:

Agreed. I feel really bad for those guys. If I was in Japan, you could've bet on me being there.

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darconi — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:26:13 MST

I hope you people know that Uncharted sold just as well in Japan as NMH, which translates to it not being a wii casual problem. Its just the nature of the market there.

Nevertheless, feel bad for Suda, he needs a hit! All of his games have to be honest bombed, even for consoles like PS2. Killer7 on the PS2 sold a lifetime of around 30k. Hardly a hit...

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Dudemeister — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:09:21 MST

This post made me sad. :(

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Leptok — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:05:44 MST

I just came for the miniskirt cosplay chick.

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tebunker — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:46:07 MST

It does stink for Suda, but did anyone actually expect this to sell really well? None of Suda's games have sold well, but all reports from Japan actually show that NMH has sold more in one day than any of his other titles did in a week. So way to misinterpret something.

If he sold 50k to 100k copies it would be considered a success. Hell he doesn't need to port it either, because the PS2 version of killer 7 sold less than the cube one.

I think folks have some weird expectations here.

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justhesh — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:23:54 MST

More proof in my ongoing theory that Japanese "gamers" are a poison to the industry as a whole.

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RawSteelUT — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:18:41 MST

@inphanta: Niche certainly, but it would have done better than this. This is just a pathetic showing. At least another platform would have had the core users showing up to grab the game. The Wii's audience just isn't the type who's going to buy anything other than Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play and Mario Party. That's just how it is.

And yes, there are lots of FPS games, but games in the US have a very good market. While it's the most popular genre in the states, the FPS is FAR from the only thing on American shelves.

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inphanta — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:11:30 MST

I think using something other than toilet paper might've helped sell the game. Also, anyone who thinks the game would've flown off the shelves if it was on another console is an idiot. Games like this just don't have mainstream appeal and never have. Also, As much as I'd like it to, I can't see this game selling buckeloads here either.

@little_dragon: The west is hardly the cradle of innovation loving gamers. Looks at how many WWII FPSs are out there...

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ThisCharmingMan — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:48:48 MST

It's strange. One would THINK that this game would do quite well in Japan, because of it's, well, overly Japanese style. It's destined to be a niche title here in the states, but I really thought this game had high hopes in the land of the rising sun. Shame. I'll still be scouring the ol' game shop for this title though.

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blackdice — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:40:45 MST

i'm going back in time to go to this event

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Tiberian — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:02 MST

Thats just depressing.... Good games like this wasted and outshined by something like Wiifit, which isn't even a game.

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DARK DVNT; DARKDVNT [Xfire/Yahoo/Aim] ;Plz visit my website, k, thx. — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:53:51 MST

You can put me down for a copy. Ever since I played Killer 7 and got wind that Suda51 was making a new game for the Wii, I had my mind set on purchasing it. From the teaser trailers and other content released I feel that the game will be one of the underrated hits that we will talk about a year from now.

What I would kill to be there and get a copy signed by Suda51, let alone meet hin in person. Hopefully he does the same in a venue close to my residence.

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Rebochan — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:53:10 MST

@JonC: Because the whole point of being a fanboy is to insist that the only games worthy of existing are the ones you, personally, want to play. Anyone else that doesn't play them is, by default, dead to you and not worthy of even being classified as human.

Also wouldn't shock me if there's a bit of xenophobia laced into that - I've noticed a very disturbing amount of anti-Japanese sentiment among gamers in general lately.

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Blind_Evil — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:50:05 MST

I think this lends credence to N'gai Croal's theory that Japan is a one-platform dominating sorta market.

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Blind_Evil — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:46:24 MST

What the hell is wrong with those people? This is beginning to get ridiculous.

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Kenofthedead — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:37:36 MST

I'll be buying the game tonight after work tonight and I know of a few others that will be buying it later this week.
It won't be a huge seller, but I believe it can have a medium run, enough to make up for production and bit more.

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HobbaHobba — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:31:50 MST

Time to port this to PS3. With PS3 gaining momentum and actually *working hard* to get its customer base back, Sony will more likely to help suda get more advertising and publicity they deserve to sell well.

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NPC — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:23:34 MST

If they promise the same thing for tomorrow(toilet paper, creators, chick in mini skirt) I hop on a plane INSTANTLY. Man, something must be up, this isn't like Akiharbra to pass up a lady in a short skirt!

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Anemone — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:55:20 MST

... ungrateful bastards! I would give up testicles, not my own, but part of my collection to just see Suda.

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reddevil — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:50:20 MST

Wow this is embarrassing.

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RPGZero — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:17:30 MST

I wouldn't buy the game either, so maybe not just a Japanese thing?

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JonC — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:31:43 MST

So many ignorant comments about Japan here.

Why can't accept the fact that not everyone has the same taste as you?

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Ping5000 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:27:52 MST

Way to ruin my free day.

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Gremory — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:07:43 MST

Its the first time I feel bad for not owning a PS3 or a 360.

I am fine with Nintendo frenchises and even minigames, I admit to enjoy them, but if such awesome games like No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki are left behind I cant see a bright future for the Wii. At least not the kind I future I wanted to see for it.

It seems I have to settle for one of the bigger systems next year...

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BTFzor_Freestyle — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:07:40 MST

I have to agree with everyone about advertising the hell out of games. I mean if a run of the mill shooter like Halo 3 can sell gajillion copies for the fact its constantly up its own arse, than I'm sure a good game will sell just as well.

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DONNYchiban — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:05:34 MST

Maybe Suda got the date wrong and the game wasn't released yet?

Unlikely, but.... nah.

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Grave — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:05:17 MST

@RawSteelUT: You know what a 34/40 from Famitsu means? It's good, but... still not as good as Nintendogs.

This is why we don't trust Famitsu anymore.

Grave

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toneroni — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:01:13 MST

how sad, i was hoping this would sell well. I thought japanese audiences would eat this up. Guess not. Wonder how it'll do here in the West...

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00000000 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:35:36 MST

Man... that bites. I, for one, love Suda's work. Maybe the Wii was, from a consumer standpoint, a bad fit for this title.

00000000

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Speedstars13 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:26:23 MST

Japanese are not stupid; remember there are a lot more elders in Japan than the younger populations because of longer life span. Just so you know, ages of 20-45s (estimated) are the minority and Japanese don't play as much game as they used to. Got to make living and grow up!!
The link is awesome, make me wanna buy some toys.

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MidnightScott17 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:07:32 MST

Stupid Japan. Suda51 obviously needs to release his games in the US, Japan doesn't like anything but Training Games <_<

I'm gonna laugh when No More Heroes sells a shitload of copies in its first few days in the US. :)

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shouryuuken — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:07:07 MST

@Electroqueen: lol kuz resident evil 4, the godfather, and the highly publicized manhunt 2 all missed out on the wii.

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mydjsobad — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:02:00 MST

They should come stateside and do a signing. I'm sure American fans would make up for the disappointing/disrespectful showing at Sofmap.

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Excalibur — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:54:13 MST

Crap... that really sucks for Suda and co. I plan on getting this to at the very least do a tiny bit to encourage developers to make more games like this. I hope it ends up (commercially) better off than Okami or Psychonauts, though I'm not sure if it's even close to their par, I'm just hoping for more off-beat games.

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StormTec — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:46:17 MST

Actually, I wonder if it's not because this seems, to the Japanese at least, a game catered more to Western tastes...

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Bokusatsu_Tenshi — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:39:27 MST

I'm in between sad and happy with this.

It's sad because looks like a great game, and something different to your usual "family entertainment" model from Nintendo. Any effort in putting something different on the Wii right now is good enough for me.

But it's happy because I just plain hate the idea that just because the guys are good developers, they can't just work like everyone else.

I think the "idol treatment" is one among lots of diseases our society has nowadays.

Was already bad enough when it was limited to rock stars and actors/actresses... now it's just infecting every other segment of the entertainment industry.

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Jaybones — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:25:08 MST

I picked up the game from Akihabara this weekend (I don't think it was the same day those guys where there) and got myself some of the toilet paper. I know I probably shouldn't use it but the thought wiping with Travis Touchdown's soft face was just too much to resist!

Oh and it's an awesome game, shame it hasnt enjoyed the popularity it deserves at the moment.

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OtherAdam — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:23:42 MST

what the hell is going on with japanese gamers these days?

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giant_historical_crabs — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:22:49 MST

i really enjoyed killer 7 on the gamecube...

sure the gameplay sucked, but the style, animations, characters and voiceacting compensated... i loved it.

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crashlanding — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:18:54 MST

I've said it before (at least somewhere): people don't want "different" or innovative games.

ICO, Psychonauts, Okami, Beyond Good and Evil, Killer7, and now (probably) No More Heroes will go down in history as great games that no one played. Psychonauts was out sold by Jaws Unleashed of all things (check a metacritic score for JU and you'll know how bad that is). Thank goodness Psychonauts is on the 360 BC list now, and Okami is getting ported to Wii.

I'm crossing my fingers that Okami for Wii actually sells, because everyone who games should experience Okami. Not counting on it though.

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fightinfilipino — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:59:40 MST

...was this game advertised at all in Japan?

i suspect this game might not be selling well because video game companies *don't freakin advertise*.

you've got a new demographic, sure. but that means you have to put a little effort into actually *reaching* that demographic. ADVERTISE to them.

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fuchikoma — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:45:40 MST

NMH looks sweet. I would definitely check it out.
...but coming from the guy responsible for Killer7, I would NOT buy it on the first day - I would rent it first for certain.

Still... to do that poorly is just shocking.

fuchikoma

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RawSteelUT — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:44:00 MST

The game got a 34/40 in Famitsu. That speaks to its quality. The Wii audience just doesn't care because it's not Wii Fit.

I expect a 3rd party exodus from the system within the next year.

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sinny — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:42:43 MST

Well, if i were suda i´d start the port to ps2 right now...

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Mongoosekun — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:14:35 MST

There was a bitch and moan in a recent Game Developer were Japanese developers were calling out a 'Nintendo Bust' in their region. Basically they were quoted as saying things like most 3rd party sells are in the toilet.

Perhaps the wiping paper was trying to make the best of a bad situation -- nothing at all to do with the in game bathroom save mechanic. I kid I kid. ^^

It is troubling how sales have been in the region lately, and people might just be burnt out on 'fast food' style Wii / DS games aside from the big name titles. 'Crazy Ken' wasn't so crazy after all -- some people actually want a full Final Fantasy game instead of a remake with mini-games.

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Digitalguardian VII: Revival! A Commenter's Comeback! — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:55:27 MST

If Wii owners want shit, they'll get shit. Reap what you sow. Still sad though.

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SanjiX — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:53:56 MST

God, they must of felt terrible. Man, i'm gonna go out and reserve this game when the weekend hits. ONE RESERVE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

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melcrose — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:47:51 MST

I'm playing it now. It's (for SURE) my favorite "sandbox" game on the Wii.

Though the game play is far from "revolutionary" it works. The thing that is awesome are the little touches: watching TV in your apartment, playing with your kitty, and odd-ball missions that keep you laughing and going. Well worth the time and trouble. A fan boy on another board called it a "system seller", and after spending a few hours with it, I agree.

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RPGr — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:45:19 MST

@badasscat:

Really now? You think a PS3 can save "traditional gaming" (in Japan)? I always thought that it isn't supposed to matter what system a game comes out for but that it comes out. You know, system agnostic and all that (coming from a guys who owns all 3 current next gen systems).

I'd imagine that all "traditional gamers", would have invested in a Wii by now. It's cheap enough to be a second system easily enough. There are traditional gamers on the Wii (as seen by buyers of Zelda: TP and Mario, although we do know Zelda did fairly poor in Japan too).

In any case the numbers in Japan have indicated a downward trend in traditional gaming. Couple that with the fact that even established franchises have been on a downward trend (and the practical death of IPs) and the upward trend of the new "casual gaming crowd" and all I see is the shrinking of traditional gaming crowd.

I'm not saying that that one affects the other directly, that wouldn't be true. It's just that I think the traditional gaming market has shrunk in general. Casuals aren't being converted, they mostly remain mutually exclusive from traditional other than a few oddball games here and there.

Yet there is no denying that games aren't selling as big of a number as they did before (take the shrinking number of games sold in the Final Fantasy series since 7 and 8).

The actual underlying problem though is hidden and / or complicated. Is it because people are growing out of gaming? Is it oversaturation of the market choices (i.e. too many games)? Is it the larger budgets of gaming titles making things riskier? Is it something much more complicated such as the fact that the wages of the average person is not keeping up with inflation?

Either way, this game much like Okami seems to once again to be a critical success but a commercial failure. Games that should be bought, aren't being bought. Why is that? I don't think it really is as simple as saying "because it isn't on the PS3". At the price point of the Wii, there should be very little reason why "traditional gamers" don't have one. It being on the Wii instead of the PS3 is not a valid excuse.

RPGr

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sadkermit - soon to be banned for standing up to the ummm nazi. — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:39:43 MST

No More Heroes + six months = bargain bin game.
Didn't anyone learn from Killer7?

Tough spot to be in, that event...hopefully it'll be an artistic wake-up call. I've never had much hope for NMH being any good (IMO) since I thought K7 was a worse sin than all the combined efforts of EA.....horrible gameplay. Horrible.

sadkermit - soon to be banned for standing up to the ummm nazi.

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Electroqueen — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:35:45 MST

That's sad...
No More Heroes was possibly the first really mature video game for Nintendo in a long time. I guess Japan thinks Nintendo should only sell family friendly crap.

Electroqueen

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MURDERFACE — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:33:43 MST

Damn that sucks i feel sorry for Mr. Suda san. Is JPN pissed cause they are getting Pixels and not blood on their version of the game? Oh well That just means that we get more toliet paper and chicks in miniskirts when Suda does the tour of Eb-games stores in the US like ever other Japanese game creator cause if people will wait hours in line for Kojima they will do the same for Suda. And i will be the first one waiting in line =)

MURDERFACE

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DonWii — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:33:22 MST

All I see is Japan isn't buying original titles/New IP's.

Dynasty Warriors 6 sold 150k+ it's first day, while Uncharted sold about 10k.

Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles sold about 100k first week, while N0 More Heroes sales seem low.

DonWii

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slingblade — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:33:02 MST

That Sylvia cos-player is one fine mama....

slingblade

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kNZA — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:24:27 MST

@Baff:

Well said!

kNZA

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DimensionWarped — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:23:05 MST

This is just tragic. I feel for the guy. There is little more sad than a person's home country being a place where the game is doomed to fail.

I'll definitely buy the game, but being American and all, it just isn't the same.

DimensionWarped

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heretrix — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:17:13 MST

This is why more Japanese developers should come to either Europe or the US. They are appreciated a hellava lot more. Now you know the reason the guy that made Lost Planet wants to make more westernized games..this is exactly the thing he was talking about.

heretrix

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Chief2BeaR — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:11:53 MST

hehe

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WasabiJoe — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:10:18 MST

I would have brought Harvest Moon SNES for Wada to sign. I remember playing that cart for 8 hours straight back in my younger days.

WasabiJoe

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KenzinFive — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:05:31 MST

I would have to agree somewhat with the statement made earlier that there was probably little to no advertisement for this event in Japan.

Still, I feel horrible for Suda and Wada, especially since No More Heroes is one of the titles for the Wii I'm looking forward to the most (after, you know, Smash).

I will say this though: I think it's guaranteed to sell MUCH better in the States then in Japan, simply because of the game's style. And maybe also because of the different fan bases in America and Japan.

So, Suda and Wada, do one of these things in the States, and us grateful America fans will be more than willing to come out for it. And buy toilet paper as well.

But, make sure to advertise it, OK?

KenzinFive

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jynxycat — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:59:26 MST

@Nullzero:

lul, this game won't sell here, not on the Wii.

jynxycat

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Ludwig — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:58:41 MST

I didn't really found the game interessting .. watched over 20 minutes of gameplay and it was pretty much the same minute repeated over and over again ... JK! ..

I hate when japanese developers promote a game as a free-roaming/open ended game and end up being like a Snes Power Rangers free-roaming kind.... (Thought I love when all of sudden a real free-roaming thing comes out! like Dead Rising :33)

Ludwig

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Ningen — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:58:28 MST

I agree with all of you guys. This is really fucked up. the look on their faces in the photo makes me wanna cry. Fuck Japanese "gamers" and fuck the casual market.

Ningen

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Kai_ — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:54:25 MST

@Baff: Nice one, man. It's so true. I'm buying your game, Suda!!!

Kai_

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youruglyclone — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:53:37 MST

America loves you Suda!

Played this game this weekend and man I couldn't put it down until I was #1!

Needless to say, Japan has finally found a way to disappoint me...

youruglyclone

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badasscat — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:50:57 MST

@RPGr: I wish people would quit saying this. Traditional gaming is dead on the Wii. But it's never been anything else. The Wii is not the machine that gamers there want; it's the machine everybody else wants.

There are just as many gamers as ever in Japan. Some of them were waiting for the PS3 price drop, and now they're buying. Some are waiting further, because the system's still pretty expensive. Some are waiting for some good games.

But in a year, you're going to start seeing PS3 games making regular top 10 appearances there, and that's the system where most of the "traditional" games are going to be.

badasscat

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jeffx — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:31:53 MST

that is so sad, poor guys. I would have bought 2 copies just to show them my support. Definitely buying the NA version on day 1!

also, regarding that akiba blog post... I wonder how well Silent Hill Zero is doing in Japan? There would be a stark contrast here if an American-made Japanese-type game outsells a Japanese-made American-type game...

jeffx

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onna76 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:25:44 MST

@Alkusanagi, why not buy a WII with No More Heroes and you support the guys as well :P

I own a Japanese WII myself and would have supported this game if it would interest me, but unfortunate ... it doesn't. Other then that I support all kinds of new franchises and HATE it, that they're bombing! Zack & Wiki, Dewy's Adventure, Opoona and now No More Heroes, all lousy sales. Games such as No More Heroes and Zack & Wiki doesn't deserve this. I was always a fan of the Japanese gaming market, but since about 4 or 5 months I'm really starting to hate it.

onna76

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Kinburn — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:09:02 MST

If they wanted people to come they should have advertised it was happening. There's plenty of North American gamers in Japan that would have loved to meet them.

Kinburn

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Knukleur — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:04:52 MST

Maybe some store across the street had sale on toilet paper and everybody was already stocked up. I hear those Tokyo apartments can be awfully snug, so an extra roll might present a challenge to storage logistics, especially if you can't figure out if NMH paper counts as green or red for feng-shui.

Knukleur

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Starcraft2008 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:03:38 MST

Maybe everyone was scared away because the cosplay girl only has one arm??? OK, I know she has her arm behind her back and she kind of blends into the background... at least I hope so because the idea of cute ladies without all the normal appendages freak me out.

Starcraft2008

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JGab — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:57:54 MST

I feel bad...because it will fail here too...

...it comes out the same time Brawl does...bad timing on their part...

JGab

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St0ck — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:55:16 MST

They should have and attend a US launch event for NMH, it would be much more successful

Its a shame to see devs taking time out to meet fans, to have no one turn up

St0ck

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beeporama (brian.j.parker) — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:52:54 MST

...and THAT'S what happens when you cut the limb-severing and blood geysers from your game!

Seriously though, shame this.

beeporama (brian.j.parker)

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RPGr — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:49:40 MST

Ouch, looks like it is true... traditional gaming culture is dead in Japan and being downgraded elsewhere.

The title of the game (No More Heroes) really does describe the reality of the situation of gaming...

RPGr

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ビッグボス — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:49:19 MST

If I were a Wii owner, hearing stories like this would greatly worry me. I see it as a sign of things to come as far as third-party games go. Yes, the Wii's install base is huge and it might drive third-party developers to develop for it, but why would they bother if they can't sell their games to the large install base that's only interested in Nintendo games and non-game gimmicks like Wii Fit?

ビッグボス

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Granthunter — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:41:43 MST

The fact is, that it is hard to catch the interest of the Wii install base, but it is damn near impossible to do it with a single player game. Most people in any region bought it to play local multiplayer with their friends, Mario Galaxy only has a limited component and this has none at all. The result is an audience who does not care because they don't want to invite their friends over to watch them play something. Want evidence, the games that sell: Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Mario Party 8.

Granthunter

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pandafresh — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:25:21 MST

i want this game badly, but need a Wii first... and i'm not payin no $500 for no Wii dammit.

pandafresh

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Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name. — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:24:39 MST

Ouch. Hopefully this isn't a sign of things to come.

@Nullzero: You're right, No More Heroes has a lot of stuff that would make it sell better in Western territories, the US especially. Every nerd should own a copy anyway.

It doesn't look nearly as obtuse as Killer7, I don't see why it shouldn't succeed.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

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Sugaray — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:23:42 MST

You know you're having a bad day when you can't even give away toilet paper......with a hot chic standing next to you to make matters worse.

Sugaray

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shrewd — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:18:41 MST

I, too, would have been there. :(
Is it just me or does the link in Wada's name not work?

shrewd

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eastx — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:16:23 MST

Penhalion, quit your trolling.

Yeah, it's a shame that Wii 3rd party titles don't sell...

eastx

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Nullzero — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:09:42 MST

Man, that's a total bummer for Suda. If he'd come down to Osaka with an event like this, I'd definately hop on the train to Namba/DenDen Town just to shake that man's hand and tell him to keep up the hard work.

But is this TOO surprising, really? Suda was saying from the START, that this game is geared towards a foreign WESTERN market. The characters, the gameplay, the style. It's all marketed towards a non-japanese market. That was the plan. So while I shead a tear for Suda and his studio, I cross my fingers and hope he does better in his target territory.

Still, I'd love to get a signed copy. Come on back to Osaka, Suda!

Nullzero

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AlphaTwo — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:06:56 MST

For all those who suggested: "Oh, put it on a 'better system'". Really? If, in a hypothetical world, NMH was listed as a game on the 360 or PS3, you would actually care? No. If it was on the 360, it would have been overshadowed by every other M rated titled, and on the PS3, it isn't MGS4 or GT5 or Killzone 2 to save itself. The only real shot this game had any chance of exposure and to stand out was on the Wii.

AlphaTwo

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little_dragon — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:05:21 MST

@penhalion: So, did you play the game or is that just an educated guess?

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penhalion — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:00:16 MST

I take it no-one here has played no more heroes. I don't think people didn't turn up because the game isn't mario party. They didn't turn up because the game isn't that good!

Mr Ashcraft you should no better than to advocate people buy a game simply for the sake of buying it. As someone once said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I would argue that the road to crap games is also paved with them.

penhalion

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Brian Ashcraft — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:46:09 MST

@TheBoxNinja:
Can you read?

Brian Ashcraft

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GOLD5 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:44:35 MST

@GOLD5: Three words.. MGS colostomy bag. Remember me at launch, babe.

GOLD5

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greatinsight — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:43:47 MST

Oh goddamn it, what day was this? I just made my first visit to Akihabara this weekend. I would have snagged a copy even though I don't have a Japanese Wii.

greatinsight

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GOLD5 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:40:45 MST

I just don't understand why toilet paper is the new in thing for cross-marketing with games. Is it just cheap to make it or what? Why would you want people wiping with your product pics? Wouldn't people be afraid of colors coming off down there? The best part would be getting the hot chick to sign it. [Butt-head voice] Hey baby, wanna sign my roll? huh-huh-huh-huh. I guess if you're friends came over it would be like advertising. I could see it working in the states if the game were Desert Storm and the paper had Osama on there..

GOLD5

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Antiterra — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:32:52 MST

@Baff: "PS3 might be hard to program for, but Wii owners are impossible to program for.
You got a good laugh out of me, which, considering my mammoth headache (light... hurts...), is quite a feat.

Anyway. I was pretty enthusiastic about No More Heroes, but now I'm not so sure. The main character looks pretty cocky and obnoxious, and it feels like the game as a whole is trying too hard to be hip and cool. I don't know... Maybe I've seen so many wacky indie Japanese movies that the prospect of playing one doesn't seem all that fresh and exciting.
NMH will probably be an excellent game, just one I won't feel like playing.

Still, that doesn't change the fact that I want to kill myself everytime I look at Japanese charts.

Antiterra

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TheBoxNinja — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:28:59 MST

Free butt-chafing toilet paper?! Chick in Mini-Skirt?! IM SO THERE! wait..... their advertising a game? woah....

Lol now that that is over. Really in concept No More Heroes seems like a good game... *but* honestly the graphic style is just... well... terrible. I would actually consider buying this game if it was done with "normal" style graphics.

but... one question... why was the creator of Harvest Moon there?

TheBoxNinja

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Insomnia Bob — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:27:27 MST

@Witzbold: Poodlefuck indeed, sir. Poodlefuck indeed.

Insomnia Bob

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shiwasu — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:26:16 MST

Do any commenters in Japan know what the advertising was like for this game?

I wonder if this'll chart.

shiwasu

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web01 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:24:17 MST

This makes me sad suda is such a great guy must be a real bumber especially after the great fatmitsu scores and the decent mount of Hype for the game.

web01

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KeroseneClimax — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:21:36 MST

*Sigh* And yet another original game that doesn't involve step aerobics or you managing the singing career of prepubescent little girls, while secretly resiting the urge to hit on the above jail bait ones, bites the dust in the land of the rising sun.

I've never seen such a stubborn group of gamers when it came to checking out a new IP. Dragon Quest IV (a remake)sells in droves at launch, while Assassins Creed is practically collecting dust in comparison to it's launch sales in the U.S alone. I honestly feel bad for Wada and Suda, while praising them for at least trying something different in a country that is continuously shying away from new ideas unless it's simlar to something already done before. Then again, Psychonauts was also a hit here in the U.S, now wasn't it?

I don't know, maybe they're just having a slow start and sales will eventually pick up down the line. Then again, people probably saw the lady in the skirt giving them the evil eye and decided to settle for free toilet paper instead.

KeroseneClimax

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Zyzex_Remix — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:20:30 MST

Wow, this is really sad. I'm sure it'll sell better in the States, but not so much. It'll probably suffer the same fate Killer 7 did. Wrestling moves just aren't enough to save it from obscurity...now if Travis Touchdown stayed true to his name and was a football player, sales would be through the roof!

Zyzex_Remix

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Captain Impulse — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:16:13 MST

@AlKusanagi:
Amen to that.

Captain Impulse

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AlKusanagi — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:10:25 MST

360 port, please. We'll show you some love. Us 360 players in Japan might be few, but we're supportive!

AlKusanagi

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themunk — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:08:35 MST

This makes me so sad. There likely will never be a top-selling third-party title for the Wii. If the Japanese market influences development decisions, there may be no third-party games for the hardware. Hell, maybe there won't even be first-party titles outside of Brain Training and Wii Fit. Seriously, Japan, go fuck yourself.

themunk

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JChaos — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:05:58 MST

(And yes, I know that Capcom didn't develop this game, but it was the most readily available example of the situation that I could come up with.)

JChaos

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misteromar — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:05:39 MST

I just died a little inside:(

misteromar

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JChaos — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:04:55 MST

I suspect that there's a little more to this than meets the eye.

Capcom had a similar problem with this before, for games such as Killer 7 and also with better hits like Devil May Cry.

That problem is a lack of penetrative advertising. Killer 7 had almost no advertising except maybe a few magazine ads, where Devil May Cry had... what, one television spot? Devil May Cry got by because it was balls-to-the-wall fantastic and no other game did what it did. Killer 7? ... Not so much.

I'm willing to bet that there was very little advertising either for this event, or for this game as a whole.

If you're going to cater to the casual market, you had better be sure that they know your product exists. Casual, after all, means that people are not going to stalk news sites for information regarding your game.

JChaos

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badasscat — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:59:05 MST

@johnhummel: You're being charitable calling Japanese Wii owners "gamers".

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Smutking — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:58:21 MST

Mario Galaxy didn't even sell well there. Nothing does but JRPGs and Mario Party. It'll do a lot better in the West.

Smutking

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87th — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:53:04 MST

Poor Suda. He looks like he's about to burst into tears. Don't you just want to hug him? Well, I would, if he demanded blood was put back into No More Heroes.

87th

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$Bill$G$ — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:51:04 MST

Well you know - sell a games machine to non-gamers. You would hardly expect them do buy games, would you? (to state the bleeding obvious).

$Bill$G$

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thinkfreemind — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:48:02 MST

I feel bad sort of for the fact that they were out there to meet the fans and that none showed up. Guess the Japanese hardcore just aren't so much. :(

I am looking forward to the game coming to the States. They'll have my $50.

thinkfreemind

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Witzbold — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:44:13 MST

@shiwasu: You are correct there sir.

Witzbold

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CarbonatedWater — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:42:03 MST

Well if I was there I would have cleaned them out. The game looks awesome and I don't care what the Japanese play now, this game should be on their must have list.

CarbonatedWater

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lollercoaster — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:41:24 MST

I feel sorry for the guys, but at the same time happy developers are realizing the Wii is not the panacea for gaming it was turned to be: sure, it may have sold loads, but attach rate stinks and "casual gamers" don't make for very good customers for software houses in the long run.
Here's to hoping good developers will focus their efforts on better platforms.

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johnhummel — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:37:29 MST

Damn it, this sucks. I think the game looks like sheer awesome, and this is the response it gets?

Usually I love my fellow international gamers, but Japan? You're on notice.

johnhummel

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shiwasu — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:35:17 MST

I really don't think this has much to do with the Wii's 'casual' market. I don't think Killer 7 did that well either.

shiwasu

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ara — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:32:56 MST

I wish I could give Suda51 a hug, he just looks so cheerful in that pic even as no one is buying his game.

ara

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drifter13 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:30:00 MST

Well shoot. If I had known they were going to be down there I would have taken the day off work and dropped in to grab a copy, and maybe a picture or 2. No More Heroes was a reason for me to buy a Wii. I was gonna wait till after new years for things to die down, but if I had known. Doh.

I'll also say he should port this baby to another system, admitedly it'll lose some of it's unique features without a Wiimote, but the beefier systems could probably allow him to push a bit more in other areas. Hell, I'll take a PS2 port, that'd probably sell well and re-coop any loses.

drifter13

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Witzbold — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:27:05 MST

ARGH WHY DID I NOT KNOW OF THIS ONCE AGAIN!!1111111111

Witzbold

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ara — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:14:20 MST

Makes me sad. For Suda and the industry. I just hope the man doesn't get discouraged and brings the game to another system or at least translates it to west.

ara

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ミスター X — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:09:42 MST

Go Suda! I really do hope the sales do pick up. I also do hope that this is a fluke. *sigh* Damn Wii demographics. Nintendo of America better be publicizing the damn all the time!!

ミスター X

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Foglight55 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:09:09 MST

That really sucks, I think that this whole casual market Nintendo has cornered with the Wii is really discouraging for developers who want to make an honest-to-god actual game for the system, because most of the people that own a Wii are either too conservative to really know what video games are, or too young to know the difference, and those people far outnumber the people that bought the system to play actual games.

Foglight55

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el_rezzo — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:08:38 MST

This is one game that actually makes me want to buy a Wii so if this fails then not much hope for other games that aren't first party ever reaching my tiny Australian portion of the world.

el_rezzo

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Kuraudo — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:06:33 MST

@K-Squad: Yeah, that photo makes me feel horrible for them. Wada just looks embarrassed and depressed, Suda looks like he's making the best of a bad situation, but close to tears.

Kuraudo

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Witzbold — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:04:28 MST

Why was I not told of this event? I would have so gone. D:

POODLEFUCK I SAY!

Witzbold

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K-Squad! (Badass Edition) — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:01:55 MST

Wow, this is a tear jerking story. I feel so bad for those guys standing out there with nothing happening, man i would have dragged the whole town down to that place to throw a party for those guys. To have done all that hard work and be the kid left at the punch bar without a date. This is terrible, when it comes out here i'll be sure to pick up a copy (for supportive purposes)

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

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Insomnia Bob — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:00:32 MST

Ouch. That sucks... but as pissed as I'd like to get, I can't. I'm gonna pass on No More Heroes, too. Maybe rent it. Sorry, Suda. Better luck next time?

Insomnia Bob

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:59:07 MST

@Truepatriot: Aw man, if it had a part time job at the soup factory where you have to crush turtles by stomping on them, that would be so surreal.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

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little_dragon — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:57:11 MST

by this point I actively hate japanese gamers. they are a bunch of conservative and innovation hating pricks. remember the first trailer for DQ9? the one that featured real time battles that actually looked fun?

well, japanese gamers didn't like that (waaaaa! change!) so DQ9 is going to have the same 20 year old battle mechanics as DQ1. hooray!

that nobody is buying No More Heroes doesn't really surprise me. it's neither MGS nor FF nor DQ nor a first party Nintendo title. so it just might have game play mechanics that haven't been beaten to death ten years ago..

and we all know, that you'll get cancer from exposition to innovation.

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AMonkey — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:53:44 MST

Well that sucks, stupid casual Wii market.

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Truepatriot — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:51:14 MST

@Torgen: MOAR!!!
but yeah good point.maybe if they had a mario minigame?

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phinehas — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:50:15 MST

I agree. It's sad to hear of a system that really has a lot of potential to be awesome get neglected by 3rd party publishers because people neglect the 3rd party games. That will make for many sad/angry Nintendo fans who have to argue for another umpteen years why the Wii is great DESPITE not having these games - whoch might be true in principle, but hardly in practice.

Let's hope this is a fluke. That maybe the publicity wasn't enough, or that it was just an off day in Akihabara or something. Who knows? Maybe the game itself is horrible. Either way, I want Nintendo - MY Nintendo, which I love - to be good for more than just first party games and casual software. It's time for things to change... but how?

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brent_w — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:48:31 MST

If he game to Ohio you can bet I would show up to buy a copy & have it signed ... and I'd ask him to sign my Killer 7 copy as well.

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One Way Mule — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:46:40 MST

Things like this sadden me. Mostly because a lot of favorite games don't get brought and don't get sequels.

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GenRedLeader — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:46:22 MST

Poor Suda. I hope this is just a fluke. :\

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DarkLinkinfinite — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:46:00 MST

That's terribly unfortunate. I'd love the chance to get No More Heroes signed by Suda as well as my Killer 7.

I also don't think No More Heroes will sell much better than Killer 7 did over here. It just has too many things going against it for it to really burst out, I think.

Suda's games make me think of Art House or independant films here in the states. They may be great, they may be awsome, but the best of them will never come close to touching the next Pirates of the Caribbean.

I personally hope I'm wrong :(

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MrScaryMuffin — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:44:18 MST

@Orangeclover

I doubt it, as the media was there. As well, foot traffic alone (think New York x 10) through the store should be enough.

In either case, if they did this where I live (doubtful) I'd totally be first in line.

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Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:40:56 MST

@Truepatriot: It has coconut collecting, lawn mowing, gas pumping, and rival assassin assassinating. How many more mini-games does it need?

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orangeclover — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:37:14 MST

maybe this wasn't publicized enough?

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jamosthefifth — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:37:11 MST

"It's different" - Obviously not a good enough reason to to buy a game by itself.

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Mokka — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:36:20 MST

which entirely new franchises sold well in japan this year other than the so called "casual games"?

this is not a wii problem but a video-gaming-in-japan problem.

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Baff — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:32:11 MST

PS3 might be hard to program for, but Wii owners are impossible to program for.

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Truepatriot — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:31:59 MST

they need more mini games in NMH for it to sell <.<

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Kuraudo — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:31:44 MST

It's a real shame that No More Heroes isn't getting the attention it deserves. Suda deserves a hit.

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Grave — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:31:19 MST

What the hell? I bet they would have lined up around the block for another DS Mario Party, but they couldn't be bothered to show up for this. For Goichi Suda, I would have found a way to show up at least 10 times all by myself. :(

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edb87 — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:24:52 MST

Free toilet paper?

Yet another reason I wanna move to Japan...

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