AND GAMES DONT KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. Get it right!

NeoSnake4/ねおっなけ4

NeoSnake4/ねおっなけ4

MPG187

1. That is racist
2. Games are not real, if anything I am a f888ed up life cuz I didnt have them while all the rich kids did. I dont see my white cracker friend who owns San Andreas acting like a thug, yet I do and dont even own a console (only DS, PSP, PC). And I do other things I cant mention here....

MPG187

GGL

40% of all people know that

GGL

It's actually a pretty good argument against video games as a major root cause of violence; I'd bet violent games don't sell particularly more in Detroit than anywhere else, which rules them out of causing the problems there. (Doesn't mean games don't contribute to violence, but does mean they aren't responsible for the increased rate of violence seen in specific cities like Detroit.)

quen

She's listed under Democrat.

Pezdispenser

mcderek3000

*80's freeze frame

MagnusGman

While Some of what you say is correct your view is obviously skewed by your coke bottle glasses.

Yes there are some bad neighborhoods. But there are many, many good neighborhoods. Downtown Detroit is very beautiful btw.

Obviously people like you who dont know, just assume. And the populace may be majorly black, that doesnt equate to being majorly poor. In fact, most white people who live in the suburbs WORK in Detroit. Not to mention a few notable colleges, (CCS, being one of the top art schools in the nation with high connections to disney studios and the automotive industry) bring a ton of wealth and diversity into the city. Both of which have a pretty large amount of asians, indians, caucasians and african americans.

And I dont know where you got your "facts" from because 75% of children arent being born out of wedlock and have no one raising them. You sound like you have a bone to pick.

Onegai

Anyway, if she replaced most of the things on there with games similar to 50 Cent: Bulletproof, she'd have a top-10 list of games you should never buy anyone :D

MetaKz

There's a ton of them, too. Maybe we should start a failed-at-parenting online database? Or (my personal favorite) give people breeding licenses and anyone caught with a kid and no license gets the ever-loving crap kicked out of them.

I hate people. . .

The Great Moof

I personally agree with alot of what has been said I personally dont know the statistics. I do think it is 1st and for most a social problem. I will not say that family life is the sole cause but it is one of the biggest. For instance a Parent that ignores the rating and uses a game using the system as a baby sitter is probably negelecting in many other areas too. Many Single and Non Single parents are guility of neglecting there children as well but I dont think anyone will deny it is harder for the single parent to be there when they have to provide as well(doesn't help if the come from the same situation as their kids), though our sociaty has changed to one that even many couples both have to work just to get by(or afford the bigger house or phatter car). But what happens to these kids who dont have a good family life it varies. Some find new families in the form of gangs some do like many adults and find an addiction to fill that whole in there life leading to all kinds of issues. And some will really shine and pull them selves out too but they are the true minority and I would place money that most of those have a great Parent/s behind them. Definatly the economy will effect this whole situation and edjucation can help to some extent but being but its gotta start in the home.

Konchu

Highlighting what games are not suitable for the little tykes is fine - blaming urban rot and violence on games is BS, espcecially when that rot started long before Colecovision was a glint in its invetor's eye. Detroit is just the worst example of a rustbelt city that lost its industry and responded in the time-honored socialist way by raising taxes and driving out any remaining productive citizens. New car plants are being built all the time - but not in Michigan. Why would Toyota, Honda, VW or BMW want to build a plant in frigid Michigan, with its crappy schools, urban blight and insane unions, when they could open one somewhere in the Sun Belt, with nice waether, good taxes and a grateful workforce?

Canoehead

rednikcam

Agreed. What's sad is, Detroit is actually quite nice downtown, but the animals that live down there don't give a damn about their community, so it all goes to hell, and has a (deservedly) poor reputation.

Now, that said: St. Andrew's Hall = awesome concert venue.

KaneRobot

Gunhaver

Darkest Daze

It's a major break through in science...

That Girl Hates You

Stormrider

What a genius!

inphanta

Instead of making lists that no one cares about, they should get the industry to put up a ratings board and put a label on the front of the box that denotes a rough recommended minimum age and give brief descriptors about the game on the back of the box.

headcase88

When I was a kid my parents did let me watch films like The Terminator, Robocop because they themselves had seen the content and thought that it wasn't too violent.

However, parents don't play video games to make a judgement on the content, and assume that any video game is suitable for children.

Add to that the fact that kids these days probably have a tv in their own bedroom, so will most likely play the video games on that tv than in the living room, and the parent will never see what kind of games their kid plays.

I'm pretty sure once a parent sees their 12 year old kid brutally murdering someone in Manhunt they not let their kid play it any longer. That's assuming the kid's parents actually pay an iota of attention to whet they get up to.

Sasuntsi|Davit

Furthermore, I wish that politicians in Detroit would just keep quiet. Evey time they open their mouths we look bad. Let's face it, we have a hip-hop mayor more worried about his bling than the state of the city, A inept school board, and a finance office that hasn't had a balanced budged in years.

D1STORT

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

Thrill Kill, and it never went to publication. You can only get it via warez and pirated!

So if you (or someone in your house) went to that effort to get it, then your dice man!

EnigmaNemesis

junta0

That was beautiful my friend!
*wipes tear*

EnigmaNemesis

Stop making sense. That's not allowed. Also, if you're white you're a racist and if you're black then you're an Uncle Tom. Just want to cover the bases since someone else will inevitably come in and say it.

Sad but true!

EnigmaNemesis

EnigmaNemesis

Akamashi

Maybe if there weren't so many deadbeat dads and uninspired parents, then we wouldn't have this problem. Just look at Japan. They have more violent games than us, yet they have a very low crime rate.

KM91

Shmoopy

Argyle

I never took that list seriously because of that, as Halo 2 was HARDLY among the 10 most violent games when it was released. Not even close.

All of the games on this list SHOULD be on this list. Irresponsible parents take note. Oh, and if you don't know what your kids are playing, you are irresponsible.

DARTH_TIGRIS

GameraTheGreat

Throtex

I was robbed at gunpoint while walking to class one day. The 14 year old kid who did it is in prison for 3 years. You drive down the street at noon and everywhere you look there are drug deals, teenagers walking the streets instead of in school, etc. There are shootings all the time, etc. Based on what I have read, the city was prosperous until the 1970s when the manufacturing jobs began to leave. Then, as more people lost their jobs, crime & unemployment went up. The gov. was stupid enough to build a bunch of subsidized housing units around the city, trying to "mingle" poor people with the middle class by building project housing literally in the middle of all the middle class neighborhoods. Then all the middle class people moved to the suburbs, and now the city is a shell where 1/3 of the houses are boarded up. I have never seen anything like it, 1/2 the city looks like a 3rd world country.

lawblob

cokpendejo

geekgrrl

She would've at least garnered a bit of respect, as having done some work, if she included something like The Darkness. As an adult, that's a game that is satisfyingly violent. Hell, if the devs were smart, they'd drop a line over to her office and anonymously and say so... get some free publicity.

Tenth

rdcarvallo

Separately, any attempt to segregate any online community will be thwarted, bypassed or otherwise compromised allowing the "too lazy" to do it with little or no effort. And my reference to communism had two reasons, the first being to get one step closer to Godwin-ing this story and the second to contrast how insane the general public is getting about things. It's not as complex as people think. How about you just tell your kid "No", when did that stop?

ShawnC++

boots555

GameraTheGreat

DreamToDream

MURDERFACE

Congrats on being done with classes, by the way. Good luck with the BAR; what jurisdiction are you taking? Being in my 2nd year, I am already sick to my stomach at the prospect of re-learning Civ Pro, Crim Law, and all the other stuff I have probably already forgotten. Maybe Capcom could make a BAR prep Phoenix Wright game.

lawblob

tetracycloide

Throtex

Spiderbait

lawblob

And when a new technology appears that civilization will be distracted by, video games will slip out the back door over night and let virtual reality take all the slack, just like television and movies did the night they sneaked their way out from under the public eye.

Coldbrand

ShawnC++

Throtex

yeah that needs to be on the list.

StartingAces

... Are you kidding me? Are you actually serious here?

Minority, in the context it's being used here, is part of the english language. The way it's used here is how it is used by the government.

Nitpick all you want, but geez, don't grasp at such tiny little straws.

JChaos

Kermi

lawblob

I have absolutely no problem with a person releasing a list of particular video game titles for parents to avoid when shopping for children, but scapegoating videogames shows how tenuous her grasp on the subject really is.

I wonder if as a prosecutor she ever sought a reduced sentence since it wasn't entirely the perpetrator's fault he raped and murdered that girl, as he probably saw it in a video game?

Look, there are many causes and factors to consider when studying violent behavior, but the most powerful desensitization usually comes from seeing violent behavior or the result of a violent act in person. Violence breeds more violence.

Being exposed to video game violence can also lead to this, but it's usually just one contributing factor and rarely if ever a significant cause.

Usually exposure to video game violence just desensitizes you to video game violence.

chinesedentist

GameraTheGreat

Well put.

I suppose Ann Arbor is prosperous and safe because no kids play video games here. Give me a break.

griffinrider

ShawnC++

Infradead

lawblob

We're not Worthy.

*looks around*

Come on, someone had to say it.

edb87

I didn't originally mention "black kids" to be racist, I just thought everyone already knew that Detroit was basically a 90% black / minority city. But the principle applies to anybody of ANY color; lack of family and community stability is what leads to these types of problems; poor urban areas have practically zero family or community stability, and also happen to be places like Detroit, with 90% minority populations.

But at the end of the day I guess it's easier to laugh at people like me who actually live in ghetto towns and who volunteer at urban community centers.

lawblob

ADVENTURE.exe

Throtex

That said, many of the worst offenders I've encountered on Live--those who are responsible for a T game becoming an M experience--are kids themselves, so that solution might not take care of the problem.

Lawya

ShawnC++

Cpryd001

Rockbot

@ビッグ ボス: You missed a base. How about "totally effed up reasoning"?

SouthernerCalifornian

So even assuming that parents are using the ESRB ratings, how many of them know that "game experience may change with online play" effectively means "this game is about to ramp up to M as soon as your kid signs on to live?"

Lawya

ShaggE

ShawnC++

RanChan03

OniMirage

Streeks1984

GameraTheGreat

Lawya

Regardless of how uninformed the list is, it's still a list of games that I, personally, would not let MOST children play.

The Mature rating does not have a "12 year old" cutoff. So, you would let a 12 year old play them, but not an 8 year old? How do you make that point to a parent who is too busy to study the games (debate on parenting skills can wait for another post)? You can't. The ratings in place are guidelines for parents. If someone wants to shout on top of a building to let parents know not to buy Mature games for their kids, then let them. I would rather that "reasonably intelligent 12 year olds" miss out on a great game, than some confused and easily influenced 7 year old have issues because they didn't understand the nature of the game they were playing.

Eyerox

Throtex

lawblob

lawblob

Ratuna

I'd give most of those games to any reasonably intelligent 12 year old.

Throtex

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

ggodo

Cappy

These games are not meant for kids. These are Mature games. I agree with her. DON"T buy these games for kids.

There is no need to attack EVERY adult that mentions video games. One day, you will be an adult yourself and will agree with the phrase "Mature video games don't belong in the hands of young children." What's so hard to understand about this statement?

Eyerox

Americo

MCFarley

Cappy

Well, ok, admittedly, I'm sure they've got more metal detectors at inner-city schools, so maybe my theory is a little flawed. But still, you get the idea.

BtownDesignGuy

Mosaab

Don't kid yourselves, though, folks. Killer7 is quite violent. Granted it's not constant or completely gratuitous like some games, but any game where you fight a pair of corpses that had their brains blown out, or a game where an explosion blows a person in half is pretty violent.

CyricZ

cebukid(im rick james, bitch)

I might even stretch a little to say that adults playing violent games isn't the best either, but (most of 'em, anyway) have the ability to discern reality from fiction, so it's not necessarily as harmful.

Nonetheless, it seems to me to be pretty OBVIOUS to parents that they shouldn't be getting these games for kids. I mean, look at the titles.

Grand Theft Auto, Hitman, God of War, Resident Evil, Manhunt. Do these SOUND like titles appropriate for kids? If you need further confirmation, the box art is pretty informative about what's going to be in the game, for the most part. You really can't get Manhunt 2 without knowing what you're getting. Yeah, the rating system's broken, but apparently so is the parental judgment meter.

TalKeaton

*Robocop extracts gun from interior leg holster, unloads several rounds*

Robocop: "THANK YOU FOR ADHERING TO ESRB GUIDELINES!"
OCP CEO: "That's some nice shooting, son. What's your name?"
Robocop: "JACK THOMPSON."

TitillatedOcelot

Seriously, what the crap? 300 and 50 Cent Bulletproof make the list, but we (Saints Row) get left out in the cold. No justice, I tell you!

sloner

lawblob

HyperWrench

y2julio

lawblob

Linkthelegend2

psst - no one tell (american) lawyers there's sex in games! then the witchhunt will be 10x worse. i'm surprised leisure suit larry hasn't been arrested yet.

geekgrrl

blaked569

seriously, some of you are just as bad as jack thompson, except in the other extreme.

blaked569

lawblob

Wait, what was I just talking about?

BtownDesignGuy

NoFunShogun

Otherwise?

Kids like to act out what they hear on the radio and what they see in videos. Simple.

Saint Anima

crazyscreenwriter

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

baked ham

I did just as much research as she did.

Zhen-Chan

SolCutter

Crack

FanDam

Throtex

ビッグ ボス

Don't know about you guys... but all this jumping on the "using violent videogames as a scapegoat" bandwagon is beginning to piss me off just a little bit now.

Clushje

Thassodar

Video games didn't make Detroit a hell hole. The people of Detroit made Detroit a hell hole.

PapaBear434

think they actually played any of these or simply chose on the title?

rabbitsoup_87

TitillatedOcelot

EmeraldDragon

DonWii

Theoban

sinimax

Nitemare1

Ninja-Z

lawblob

Huxle