neonlampshade

The PS3 controller is always [-rumble].

The extra controller that you can buy next year has rumble.

kNZA

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*******************ASSASSIN'S CREED SPOILERS AHEAD************************

I hated how everytime you assassinate someone, the VR "glitch" graphics go apeshit. Talk about ruining the immersion. thumbs down!

rainofwalrus

Should have specified, the spoilers in my post are pretty minor, no specific plot devices or points are discussed.

snugglecakes

*******************ASSASSIN'S CREED SPOILERS AHEAD************************

Where to start. I wanted to like this game so much, and it really is great fun, but jesus. I'm barely halfway through the game and the repetition is starting to wear on me. Do the same 5 activities for the entire course of the game. There's still those amazing holy shit moments, but the repetition is really overwhelmingly bad.

I have gripes about the story as well. Every time I kill some asshole I have to hear why he was righteous, and I was wrong, in which case I head back to the bureau and then explain how I feel conflicted, only to get shot down by the guy who runs the bureau. This can be a good way to add character depth, but when it becomes predictable and tired after the third assassination, it comes off as trying to jhard and almost a bit pretentious (which might count for something as I don't think I've ever been able to say that about a game before).

The AI is mostly horrible as well, with half the time guards seeing some random act out of the corner of their eye yet the next time you stab some schmuck in front of them they could care less.

Glitches abound as well. Even though it's to be expected out of games I suppose, I had multiple glitches where some sort of trigger failed to set or launch properly, and I had to restart from the last checkpoint because I couldn't do anything.

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Sorry for such a long rambling. The game is actually pretty damn fun, hell, I played it all day yesterday. But I definitely feel a bit underwhelmed and maybe a bit disappointed. Maybe it was too over hyped for me, but it definitely fell short of what I was expecting.

I can't imagine playing through it more than once, let alone really even messing around with it a month from now.

End of Rant

snugglecakes

"The cities, as I stated earlier, are truly remarkable pieces of art. These big open worlds, which are fully interactive, do come at a severe cost on PS3. There is considerable texture pop-in and noticeable framerate issues. Playing back-to-back with the 360 version, it's obvious that Ubisoft did not devote enough resources to the PS3 edition. The framerate is considerably worse, so much so that it begins to affect gameplay in the later levels. You can get through the first two-thirds of Assassin with the framerate being just an annoyance, but it becomes more of an issue for the final third of the missions."

mesostinky

Edit, saw the video. Very hard to tell from such a small video but the PS3 does look a little sharper and the Xbox does look a little smoother. Whatever, I'm just psyched that the game doesn't suck.

mesostinky

I don't want to get achievments, I don't want a gamerscore, and I don't want others to know what games I've played.

L_K_M

ビッグ ボス

I know some people take the concept a bit too far and use it as an e-peen measuring stick, but for the more typical gamer, I think it's just an incentive to get more out of the game (so long as the achievements are done well).

I know I'd have personally shelved some games when I was done with the main story had it not been for some achievements that inspired me to go back and do some side quests and other neat things I might have missed out on otherwise.

Besides, this all practically a moot point since Assassin's Creed practically has achievements built in (getting all the flags, finding all the vantage points in an area, helping all the citizens, etc.) which I'm sure are there for the PS3 version as well. For the achievement haters out there, what exactly do you think you're doing by going for those side quests? It's the same thing as achievements, you're just not getting gamer points for it.

ビッグ ボス

L_K_M

Discussion OVER

HOVA

SwedishChef

L_K_M

I don't trust their reviews anymore at all.

ExceptionOE

My dilemma is that when I went into GAME today and looked at the back of the retail box for both versions, the 360 says it goes up to 1080p, but the PS3 says it only goes up to 720p. Can anyone confirm this?

jonnybegood

TRUE that.

although, whatever... i don't really care.

joelface

questworld

Libo

deceptobot

Visually, no one's really gonna notice the damn framerates or graphics...except for me on my brand new 1080p HDTV!!!

Jaimz11785

Scazza

dave4mel

AND... Whoever thinks the AI is stupid, just change the difficulty level to HARD. The AI gets way more challenging (enemies dont wait for you to do your stuff), but the other stuff remains the same.

FP Belias

I asked for the PS3 version ... cause I only own Resistance so far for the PS3, while on the 360 I own 40 or so games...

Should have Ratchet FTOD before xmas though...Looking forward to getting into that one.

I do like achievements - its not that they do anything special, they are just one of those little touches. Like seat heaters in a car... just nice.

I'm sure Assassins's will be a good enough game - it has a lot of cred working for it. Only reason at this point I would return the PS3 version (once I get it) would be if a major bug was found...

JohnnyHundo

I nominate the right to use the word Fanboy be revoked. You own both systems woo &*^#*&^% hoo! You're still the pot irrationally screaming at the kettle when you use that term..

metal_dawn

kylenalepa

chirokitsune

wtf007

Stream_Of_Consciousness

chorx

Justcrim

VenoMuS

wtf007

sand0789

There was a time when I would have agreed about MS being more evil than Sony, but that was before SecuROM and rootkits. Actually, since Win2K my MS hatred has mostly dwindled, while Sony works hard to keep me hating them.

On to controllers: Sony's analog stick placement in the DualShock was just an afterthought on the original PS1 controller, and isn't particularly good imho. I really like the 360 controller, and the new LB and RB are way more useful than the old Xbox white and black (they took a page from Sony on that one).

But I don't mean to come across as a 360 fanboy... I'm waiting for the PC version. This is definitely a mouse/keyboard game. The only games that I prefer on a controller are racing, sports, and the classics like Sonic/Mario.

Raptor007

Atamisk726

Iberianpower

agthang

DELETED

@Tsaketh:
You get to sit on a bench and eavesdrop?? GOD DAMN IT WHERE'S THE PC VERSION!!!??

Akin

I'd provide a video, but nobody at work has a camera.

Squishy3

Thanks for that link. Was a good read.

I have to visit Penny Arcade more often.

EnigmaNemesis

/agree

EnigmaNemesis

Jovah45

Yeah, thanks a lot you scholar!

Now I dont feel like opening it. Some spoiler warning!

For fucks sake!

EnigmaNemesis

Not pissed, but goes to show gaming sites are like car magazines, etc that are like anything else. A game (and Wreckless was the first game where the whole site was converted via advertising banners, which is now popular everywhere) sways review scores and gets people to drop money on piles of shit when you are not honest.

EnigmaNemesis

krokus

LLamaStar

No? OK, I will nice job Ubi.

-EDGE-

So you're still pissed about a review from over five years ago? Wow.

Strangelove

j13

Spiffyness

Tepoz

Reviews are all subjective. You like it, great. But they are very biased like anything else. As if reviewers are not fanboys, persuaded by advertising, or *gasp* human too.

EnigmaNemesis

kavits001

y2kenjination

Wierd.

EnigmaNemesis

Skyler

BMErdin

Wickerman1972

An example of what I mean can be shown in Lost Planet with the Shai-Hulud level. When I saw that beast I ran like hell, and if a friend had told me he killed it I would have been sceptical to say the least. However there's an achievement proving it's possible which opened up a new challenge to me and added something to the game I might never have looked for. In fact the more I think of it achievements can be an evolution of games magazines, revealing the cool little secrets hidden in a game which gets you hunting to see them for yourself. Of course that's when they're done right when they're done wrong they're tedious, boring things that are of no use but it's not fair to say they don't add anything to a game or aren't a feature, you simply get out of them what you put into them.

As to your personal comments regarding me admittedly with the number of people who've told me I'm fucked up in the head you might be right on that point. When my friends experimented with mind altering substances they told me never to touch them as the thought of me on them scared them, one of my friends also said he wouldn't let me near any children he had in case any of my personality rubbed off on them as he was scared at the thought of having smaller versions of me running around his home. Shallow however is debatable, and can't really be refuted without a proper discussion for which this isn't the proper place but I would like to say in my defense I will carry the memory of seeing Dali's Christ of St John of the Cross in the flesh in an art gallery and not on a computer screen to my grave.

pandaman1982

From PS3.ign.com ([ps3.ign.com])

...These big open worlds, which are fully interactive, do come at a severe cost on PS3. There is considerable texture pop-in and noticeable framerate issues. Playing back-to-back with the 360 version, it's obvious that Ubisoft did not devote enough resources to the PS3 edition. The framerate is considerably worse, so much so that it begins to affect gameplay in the later levels. You can get through the first two-thirds of Assassin with the framerate being just an annoyance, but it becomes more of an issue for the final third of the missions...

StormGoatMan

brello

If the game got better reviews (not a good sign when IGN calls it the first true next gen disappointment), it was going to be a launch-day pickup for me.

Strangelove

Zboyhop

It's not just marketing. It's going to be a universal standard in the next (8th) generation. It will probably be remembered as the biggest advancement of this generation. (Which is kinda sad when you think about it.)

Edge of Blade

Everyone is saying 'go 360, rumble & achievements FTW' and I'm sitting here thinking 'go PS3, I still get rumble and the machine is actually quiet & reliable'...

crackp1pe

Edge of Blade

DarthWind

Bring on the banhammer!

TaggarT6

Brian Ashcraft

And for the record I feel exactly the same way about PSN or Home Trophies. It's a stupid way to trick people into thinking they're getting something extra without any effort. I'd much rather have another gamemode, player skin, bonus level, etc., than some stupid trophy or achievement. I think most gamers would too.

Kanti

zaky

Seriously though, it's not like it was with the Xbox and PS2 where there was a huge difference between each version, so in this case the only real winner is Ubisoft.

Hiero Glyph

BigChiefSmokem

After reading the mixed reviews and playing the Uncharted demo one thousand times, though, made me less excited about this game.

bubuli

zanzibarlegend

[www.gamersyde.com]

sylvaing1

RTYPE1124

@pandaman1982: And no, they are not a game feature, they do not add a single thing to the game, anymore than some 'look under the cap for some prize you'll never win' contest makes Coke taste better. If you are under the age of 12 I can see how you would make that mistake, but they don't give you anything. If they unlock something extra in the game, that's fine, but they don't 99% of the time. And if you need a score to settle arguments between friends, then you are seriously fucked up and shallow. If you want to say it's a guilty pleasure that's fine, I like some pretty stupid things too, but yours, as well as other peoples, sad defense of this marketing ploy just make them all the more pathetic.

Gaming is about fun, not making up for your tiny pecker with a huge score. If you really feel the need to show off so badly, then learn to play guitar, or get some steroids and hit the gym.

Kanti

(Not to mention they only put in the PS button and springy L2/R2 buttons after the 360 did it, and the motion control after the Wii, both of which were done much better by their originators than by Sony.)

TempvsMortis

RTYPE1124

Seriously, I don't remember screaming at and insulting people who got 100% in any Metroid game.

SuperMaxZero

freakfunk

At last I could kill people on the orders of Raccoons without being confined to a hospital for the criminally insane.

pandaman1982

I also like how there are "Acheivements" in MetPrime3, after a fashion, despite the fact that they don't factor into a greater "score" or anything like that.

DaiMacculate

Kanti

MasterSauce

They also allow you to settle certain arguments among friends if they don't believe you did a certain thing you no longer need a screenshot or a video, your achievements are an easily accessible form of evidence. Not to mention more than a few of them are fun to get and make nice additions to the old high score and speed runs people do to get more life out of a game purchase. For completists and perfectionists especially they're a valid point of interest in purchasing a game.

pandaman1982

ビッグ ボス

Personally, I couldn't care less about the small differences in the game, I'll just buy it for the console with the most comfortable controller.

Mikami187

Scazza

Achievement Unlocked: Responded to wrong post.

See, they're fun.

shipwreck

Barts

The only good thing IMO to fall out is that this game and other recent releases is that the platforms are close to approaching parity. For people whining that the PS3 is "too hard" or not as good as the 360, the releases in the last month demonstrate that not to be the case. Give it another 6 months and I think people will give up even looking.

DrXym

I have both and I decided to go 360 because I do prefer the controller, having achievements, 1080p. In fact I think I will always go 360 for those reason's. There was one more thing but i cant think of it at the moment.

parad0x360

Kokuryukai

Enough with the fanboy apologists, achievements are not real, they are not a game feature, so don't choose a game based on that. It's the same game, so buy it on the system that has better controls, or is less likely to break down.

Kanti

Rachet and Clank had Skill Points(even before 360) they might unlock some artwork but they were in generaly just something cool to do in the game. And Sony will have Trophies soon so they will have there own flavor of achievements. There is room for improvement for achievements but I think they are here to stay.

Konchu

bangbangblah

nxp3

I have both systems, but bought it for the 360 because I was leery that Ubisoft could code a PS3 game based in my experience with Splinter Cell Double Agent: Slideshow Edition. I am happy to see that Ubi has apparently gotten it's PS3 game together. Although, in all the PS3 screens I have seen, I have not seen the crowd depth that I see on my 360. has anyone compared a the density of onscreen NPC's? Lame I know, I am just morbidly curious.

AlreadyDead

None of you apologists are making achievements sound any less lame, you just sound like suckers who bought into Microsofts talking points. It has nothing do with community, because who gives a crap what someone else's score is, and it has everything to with marketing. And as long suckers like you people fall this crap, game designers are never going to put that much effort into real game features, because they know they can just add some tacked on cheap gimmick, and you fools will buy it any way.

Kanti

Kotaku - The Happy Clique for Hypocrites!

Caduceus

But its real. All of the other sites are giving it way too good of scores for what the game is.

Is it a good game? Yes, is it a 9.0 or higher game? Definately not. The repetitive elements in the game just kill the fun.

Towns people all say the same crap every time you rescue them or walk by them. Every 9 missions are exactly the same as the one before it, you spend 95% of your time doing the same stupid investigation missions which hardly involve any killing or fun/skill what so ever, and the other 5% is spent killing your main target.

This game is stellar the first 3 hours, you will think it was sent from heaven. Then you get into 9th, 10th, and 11th hour and you realize you just spent 8 hours doing the EXACT same thing hearing the EXACT same sound voices you heard the first 3 hours.

The only thing more repetitive than this game is me putting one foot in front of another every day.

So PLEASE don't review this game until you have killed at least 6 of the 9 targets, assuming you make it that far before your bored.

This is definitely one of the bigger disappointments this year. If you only have money for Mass Effect or AC..save your money for next week on ME.

arsenic0

PlaidNinja

dirkxxdiggler

TaggarT6

I swear I'm deathly afraid of my 360 conking out.... it had better not die while I'm doing my Mass Effect marathon!!!

goddessakasha

provoko

I will pick up the PS3 versions due to the fact that I prefer the Sony controller. Also, my 360 sounds a bit like a jet engine when its reading discs. I prefer the soulless calm of my PS3.

sascha23

Sugaray

I never did get Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow to work right.

PapaBear434

OGHowie

tetracycloide

Mongoosekun

ElektroDragon

The Vampire Raziel

sinny

Rianor

TJH518

nobodysleeps

The 360 versions always offer controller vibration, achievements, and better in-game dash and communication abilities. When all things are even, Microsoft's console just offers extras that Sony is taking their sweet time implementing.

shipwreck

And with regards to IGN - it is exceedingly poor journalistic practice to edit an article like that without noting the correction. Especially in a case like this where it's a substantive change.

4dSwissCheese

[mild spoilers below...]

The last (or rather, ninth) assassination is particularly irksome because you're forced to fight it out with half the goddamn city and a target who apparently has superhuman health. And after THAT it becomes a straight combat game for another hour. Ugh.

It's kind of amazing that Ubisoft got so many things right on the technology and controls side and did such a poor job of actually making the GAME fun. All it would have taken is a wider variety of missions and more freedom with the assassinations to make this game amazing. Oh well, there's always AC2.

Z-Word

def PD

Zootalor

Kudos for capturing the mood of the gaming public in the run up to a heavy game buying season.

hchaudh1

Malice

And yet you get no points for that achievement.

And the achievements in Assassin's Creed are ones you would expect.

Kill 100 guys, find all flags, and so forth. Who cares.

Achievements give the game some more replayability.

SgtAdam

IGN AU gave it an 8.7
You could almost say that's two totally different opinions. Play it if you want it's better than wasting time on Spanish for Everyone.

[ds.ign.com]

ViralArtist

tehFluffz

Oh well.

AtomicAgeZombie

I only own PS3 so I don't have the dilemma of a better/worse choice. I do have the problem of having to avoid un-playable third party titles (F.E.A.R. I'm lookin at you). Glad to see the third party games coming round.

crashlanding

Kokuryukai

I trust my fellow Kotakuites more than any review site though, so people who have this game and have played it: is it good? Forget about which system to buy it on, should I bother buying it at all?

ach77

Mukatsuku

GreenCard200

nice try any way! Great normal maps by the way too! I see you man keep it up WooT!

Runna

"There are few differences between the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions. PS3 owners are blessed with a slightly more solid frame rate, although the 360 version features a little more contrast in the lighting, so it's pretty much a wash."

[www.gamespot.com]

No choice for me anyway, since I only own one of the mentioned consoles (bless me for once).

All in all it sounds like equally great work to me, looking forward to play it.

Morph_inc.

Mukatsuku

Makes me wonder if, in the rush to get a review out first, every site is reviewing the same code or disc version of the game. Maybe a couple of non-final versions being reviewed for speeds' sake?

crashlanding

KEELr

tornaydo

d.omen

- 360 & PS3
- both hooked up to separate HDMI ports
- don't care about achievements
- Rumble is debatable
- I'm on 360 #4
- Mass Effect coming out next week = getting that too
- I've only got one more chance to get a new 360 (on EB/Gamestops dime)if this one RRoDs, within the next 10 months
- other than Conan, and Eye of Judgment, my PS3 isn't doing much

I should probably get the PS3 version, yes?

Tenth

Whatever. The initial reports of a game breaking frame rate on the PS3 version seem to be untrue. I can handle a little drop here and there.

Polluted

Really man this is a big year for PC gaming... this game would have no chance of selling unless they made it duke it out with the other big games.

If they do that then it would be mixed with Quake wars, quake 3, crysis, and faster climbing are just plan ol rocket jumps...LOL

Man a rocket jump into those open rooms and a few shot gun blast and a rocket jump out would have been sweet! Or at least a plasma gun wall climb which is always impressive!

WOW talking about this game just makes me happy about ID tech 5 for some reason? back to work for me!

Oh yeah buy this game people! Support the letters D and H! We need crysis level graphics next gen!

Runna

chip5541

balls187

Buji

Mukatsuku

JohnE5

myxylplyx

y2kenjination

The missions are somewhat repetitive, with only 4 or 5 variations, but it's fun just running about killing guards and climbing up high towers to jump off them. Oh and the framerate is very stable on the 360 version, so I'm not sure what Gamespot are talking about when they say it's unstable. I think the game streams the city from the disc so maybe their DVD drive is knackered?

photoboy

XsTatiC

Leonidas16

Or, the logical alternative:

Realize that, whatever differences there may be, they are so minuscule that the general public can't decide what they actually are, and, therefore, are inconsequential.

If you want the game, buy it for the system you have. If you have both, flip a coin. Does it really matter?

This obviously isn't a situation where the PS3 owners get the shaft because their con