<![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected? - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected? - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Also, i would like to ask what is the difference between the player who downloaded and printed his cards for nothing. To that of the player with a higher income be it his or his parents that bought every card he needed from ebay.

Each source of the card had to be originally bought and each source of the card means no money actually goes to the card developers. The only difference here is that one player has an income that allows him to purchase more cards than the other but at the end of the day they both have all the cards.

bimb96

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> -sigh-

I read through the first 100 post's here and to be honest the majority of people here are looking far too into this.

@ the people who think this will create an unfair advantage.

To start this game requires skill even more soo with set 2 and a set 3 coming into play. Granted having every card available to you will give you an advantage but only a small one at that. A player will always have to know how to make a good well balanced deck. Harder to do so with such a vast chioce of cards.

Second with more cards becomes less familularity, you have to learn what all the cards do to react quickly and not make stupid mistake's.

eg placing a card in a wrong position so that it is possesed or attacks an allied and an enemy creature at the same time.

Players that know how to play and win are those that took time to learn to play and took time to slowly build there decks that suit them. Players that copy every card there is and think it will make them unstoppable are short lived and unsatisfied. What is there to do when you have copied every single card and find you are still loosing? Nothing.

@ players who believe this is "wrong"

Granted this is against the law, however i ask you to take a look at your goverment, infact take a look at the world. You may notice that it is infact corrupt, taking the moral high ground will never get you far. The human race is selfish by nature and by taking a moral high ground you are also being selfish,how? Simple by taking the moral high ground you are thinking you are better than the person that on that instance did not. How is this relevent? Simple,

By taking the moral highground on this point do you stop to think about your other moral decisions in life? Have you devoted your life to helping the sick the needy the starving, ending wars saving the planet, endagered species etc. I myself find that very doubtfull, so before lecturing and judging others for there chioces in life without knowing anything about them take a look at your own. Let he without sin cast the first stone.

@Those who believe breaking copyright will be the downfall

Everything that has copyright laws broken must first have copies bought, everytime someone is caught for breaking copyright laws they face massive fines. More money to the producers. The fact is here people by breaking copyright the item in question is advertised at much cheaper prices than it would normally cost.

Be it films, music games or cards. It makes the item in question much more accessible and therefore much more popular, this then means that when new music or additions to a music artisrs work a popular game or card sets come out those of us who can afford to buy the originals will do. Copyright laws are in place for a few simple reasons.

1) so that only a small minority of people break these laws to distribute
2) to make money off those who break these laws
3) to cause this very moral ethical debate

Copyrights have and always will be slacker than they could be, so that this very thing will happen. -IF- violations of this law became so bad that companies went out of buisness then precuations to stop it would be increased. Personally i hold no grudge against someone that commits a violation while the developers of games like this one are making millions.



bimb96

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @AGiES: I'm pretty sure Hasbro/WotC created the system, the monsters, rules, etc. Sony probably knows jack about how to make a card battling game, so I think they only programmed the actual video game.

Darth_Mall

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I really hope this doesn't ruin sales of the game boosters. At first I was tempted to just copy all the cards I wanted...until I bought a booster box and got a helluva lot of the ones I needed, and after some other booster packs, and planning to get even more tomorrow, I will hopefully only need just a few more cards. As much as the negative types think it's silly to waste money on the cards...there's a rush of excitement when you see that one hard-to-get card you wanted right there in the pack.

That said, I don't think the copying really unbalances the gameplay. Unlike some CCGs, there's very strict rules, and damned if you'll be able to summon that uber-powerful 9-mana-cost monster in round 1, 2, or sometimes even 12. Unlike, say, Yu-Gi-Oh, which, if I'm not mistaken, if you wanted you could just stack your deck with the ridiculous cards (like dragons and other rares) and completely unbalance the game by owning the other guy with your OMEGA SUPER DRAGON LEVEL TWELVE. Again, I don't think Yu-Gi-Oh restricts you by not letting you repeatedly summon uber-monsters, if someone knows how the game works, correct me on that.

I've never gotten into CCGs before -- this is my first real one, and I love it. If others enjoy it enough, I think they'll try to get the cards the honest way, too.

Darth_Mall

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> This is outrageous like someone else said before its only a matter of time till you can download every card and then half the fun is gone in collecting the cards, and the true collectors will loose out in the game because they will be playing someone who has downloaded the ultimate set, What Sony need to do is start giving each card a serial that can only be registered once, then apply an update to the game to start using these serials, then they should offer a recall service to all people who own original cards and allow them to send them off to be replaced with new cards with the serials, someone needs to start a online patrician and campaign, via a new website like this site to boycott buying cards till this done.

krisfairholm

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold:
I absolutely don't expect people to drag their PS3s around. The game is playable without a PS3. Sure, it requires a little bookkeeping but not much more than other games.

If the game isn't meant to be played face to face, I wonder why Sony suggests that as an option or even bothered having cards printed at all? If the game was meant to be entirely online, don't you think Sony would have used some MTGO-like system of distributing cards? Yes, the tactile feel of the cards and the inclusion of low-level interactivity with the cards is a great addition to the game. If Sony was so concerned about the cards being copied, though, don't you think they either would have designed better copy protection or wouldn't have bothered with that aspect at all? I think it's foolish to assume Sony had no idea just how easy it is to copy these cards.

As has been stated before, the people this game appeals to are hardcore CCG players. They will buy the cards. The segment of hardcore gamers who enjoy CCGs and own a PS3 are a ridiculously small segment, Sony knew that. Companies don't make decisions about these sorts of things without doing a little cursory research. They most assuredly took a gamble on the game and it probably won't last that long anyway. I've got my stack of cards and as long as I've got the disk and a few playable decks, it will be something to pull out every once in a while.

The ease of copying these cards is now common knowledge and the methods of doing so are in the wild. It's useless to worry about it at this point because there is nothing you can do about it. People who want to copy will copy.


SirDanF

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> It strikes me, saucily, that having serial numbers printed on every card and having every card be manually registered into a website would have been an incredibly effective and simple way to copy-protect every card. Once a card has been registered it can't be registered again.

Sauceinator

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @witzbold

"PEOPLE DONT BUY CARDS = NO MONEY TO THE DEVELOPERS = NO NEW EXPANSIONS = LOSS OF INTEREST IN THE GAME = DEAD GAME"

This game was targeted for the hardcore ccg people. The cards will be purchased. Of course there will be a loss in interest, but what will buyers do with the, now useless, eye? Buy more games... and although few will buy the cards, many will buy the game. Mission Accomplished. By the way, I can see a lot of people buying the game because its easy to cheat... then the EOJ company add a super duper security system. Forcing people to buy the real cards since they bought the game.

LittlestLamshi

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> People, people. Ok, lets stop and think here. What's the audience for a card collecting game? The hardcore. Ahh yes, and who would buy these cards? The hardcore. Since the cards are so easily replicable, people are genuinely considering buying the game. Now since people bought the game they have a PS Eye right? Ok, so, they have a game and the Eye. The game will wear away in its super awesome coolness and people will have this camera. What will they do with this camera? They will get bored and look for games that need the camera. This marketing strategy is ingenious.
- allow the hardcore to buy the cards and boosters (which only they would have bought to begin with.)
- since all the less off people will see that hey, $70 bucks i get an eye and a game... SWEET!
- because the buyer has this eye, they will most likely buy more eye games.
- since it is so easy to cheat, many will buy the game, although deter some.
The overall market for this game increased. BRILLIANT!






LittlestLamshi

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @thousandfaces: Did you even read the real reasons why it will ruin the game.

Let me cut it short and sweet.

PEOPLE DONT BUY CARDS = NO MONEY TO THE DEVELOPERS = NO NEW EXPANSIONS = LOSS OF INTEREST IN THE GAME = DEAD GAME

Thats why we are worried.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I kind irks me to see people post about this ruining the game. As an AVID M:TG player back in the day I certain played against players that had EVERY card at their disposal. Needless to saw I certainly beat them more often than not. Despite the apparent "advantage" of having every card, SKILL is still paramount in constructing decks and utilizing them in CCGs.

That being said people who do this and play without the other player knowing they are proxies are pure cheating douchebags.

Thousandfaces

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @busboy33:

You're arguing that cheating levels the playing field. It doesn't. It gives an advantage to cheaters and thieves who wish to break the collectible part of the card game. It puts all of those who intend to follow the rules at a disadvantage

You argued that collectible and card game are two different things, but they aren't when you're talking about a collectible card game. They're integral parts of one unit. Take them apart and you have broken the nature and intent of the game.

I think we pretty much know anyone who says this 'levels the playing field' either doesn't intend to ever play this game, or, if they do, intends to cheat and steal from the manufacturers.

That's the analogy I was making when I said it reminds me of software pirates claiming to deserve a full copy of the game prior to making a buying decision. It all boils down to rationalization for theft and making things worse for those who choose to follow the rules and laws.

doubtful

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Wolfkin: You do know you can usually buy singles of cards dont you? Usually at card shops, granted they begin to sell singles of the cards for EoJ.

You want something search for it.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @TheRebellion: I say who cares. I don't want to spend a ton of money to get the one rare card to make my deck complete to play against my friends. It's not like going to a pokémon tournament and bringing only legendaries.

Wolfkin

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Did any of you try to play with these fake cards? I did try and they weren't marker copies, but high quality scans printed on color laser printer. The game picks up cards but it is loosing them frequently, practically after every change on the playing field. They you have to wait for camera to rescan and it's not always successful - so in short, it's unplayable.

Real cards have no problems in the same conditions.

So, I say, go ahead and copy.

aryend

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> that's hilarious.

essko

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Aej: ...nope.

Eye of Judgement will be remembered as one of the many great, insanely expensive gimmicks of the 00's.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Although I am no longer into CCGs, and do not play EoJ, I think this may be less of a big deal then people are making it. Since PSN evidently has security measures to prevent this, I doubt anyone will be able to get away with this for that long. I'm pretty sure that Sony, insanely incompetent as they might be, can make at least some functional way of dealing with cheaters, at least online.

Aej

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @SirDanF: So you expect people to drag a ps3 around with them to play with friends or a local gameshop eh? The whole purpose of the online feature is so that people dont have to go wandering around the creation looking for folks to play together with.

Proxies are fine and all, but what you fail to see is how it will effect the longevity of the game itself, since its mainly meant to be played online against others and not face to face.

If people dont buy the cards, they dont make further expansions, people stop playing the game since theres nothing new to look foward to.

See what Im getting at and the rest of us who are worried about the copy issue?

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> You should try experimenting... [www.ctrlaltdel-online.com]

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Eye of Judgement is a lot of fun to play online and against the computer. I don't plan on copying cards but I see no problem with it. If someone decides to put together a deck of the best cards available with fakes and brings it against me, I look forward to the challenge and learning experience of the game. In Legend of the Five Rings (the last CCG I played somewhat seriously), many casual players use copied cards (generally known as Proxies), to test new deck concepts or build a deck they found online. Proxies are often also used for players who have just a few copies of a card and multiple decks that they may use it in, so that they don't have to constantly disassemble and reassemble their decks. Net-decking isn't generally a problem in L5R cricles because the best players build their own decks and playing a deck properly is still entirely reliant on skill - winning by knowing when and how to play a card, not just playing it. Eye of Judgement has a similar quality in its base gameplay, for now.

So what if players who make copies of cards dominate online play? If Eye of Judgement has real-life events, you really think those players will be allowed to use proxies? I've never been to a tournament where proxies were allowed.

You have problems with people who use proxies? Ask politely that they don't use proxies online. Better yet, don't play online at all, play with friends in front of your tv, play at your local gameshop (if they exist in your town anymore), after all, this is a CCG first, right? And that's how you're supposed to play CCGs, not alone in a meticulously lit room with a bag of cheetos, your PS3 set-up and an internet connection.

SirDanF

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Im still too afraid to play online considering the fact that the AI is handing my ass to me on the easiest setting 9/10 times. XD

Unless its playing with friends from here that is.

The game is rather deep in the sense of how you gotta place / use the cards.

Plus if you play with a random board, it really changes the whole decks usefulness in a sense. Since the playing field is not "even" in the sense of you always start off with the same locations and variables like with other TCGs such as magic the gathering. But it keeps things even in the sense that both parties will not know how well their decks will work on the random maps. Cool stuff though. Even though Im getting my ass handed to me constantly. But I seem to learn a little more each time from watching the AI play though.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @TheRebellion: Sorry to blow it for you but the online game only shows you the sprite not the actual card.

Brutalitarian

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> It would be hilarious if they made a software update you had to install before going online which would take occasional pictures of your playing field. If Sony caught you playing with fake cards, they ban you from online play :p

ninjafetus

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Brackynews: Yeah. You have a good point there bout the holograms. I kinda realised how stupid that was myself after posting it, when pondered upon how holograms work in the first place.

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The game itself thankfully the more "expensive" rare cards are rather hard to use normally. Since a lot of the game itself is about proper mana management along with creature placement. Since whoever gets to 5 occupied spaces first wins. So I think in the sense of having uber cards all over the place, it wont be too bad of a problem, due to the fact that heavy tactics and thinking is required to play the cards correctly.

But, now BUT the problem will be the business side of things where if people dont buy the boosters and just make copies of cards, the game will DIE. No Im not over reacting, basically they will not make profit on the cards, therefore not be interested in continuing production of further expansions, which will cause interest in the game to drop therefore putting the hammer to the puppy`s head pretty much. :/

So now we will just have to worry more about if people will actually pony up and buy the damned cards. At least we dont really have to worry about cheating, after having played through the game and seeing how the mechanics work.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold: Holograms aren't an answer when dealing with cameras. They require depth perception and an optimal angle to look like anything more than foil or blackness. Just foil requires adequate light reflection. I don't think playing in broad daylight or setting up two cameras is the option of choice for most folks. Then you're getting into security by obscurity because nobody can be bothered to make the effort, and the Eye(s) don't have a built in light to standardize by.

@busboy33: You're right of course, it's not "theft" just to mess around and trick the camera, but done deliberately it is in fact "forgery" even if you don't play with the card online. And if the EULA has a line about not forging card images, whoops, time for a wrist slappin'.

@Eltigro: Too true. Also, Will it Blend?

Brackynews

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @KurtSubvert: You are right of course morality isn't really the issue. I just hate hearing what sounded like justification for cheating. Then again, already the secondary market for these cards has arrived, so within a few weeks, people will just buy the individual cards they need to have the best decks.

Look I get the whole if you are truly good, it doesn't matter what cards you have argument. While it is somewhat valid, it still misses the point. Why would I want to invest in collecting cards when some kid just ripped some copies of cards and made the same deck.

I find it odd that there is any discussion of this other than "wow that really sucks, Sony should try and do something about this".

Hengst2404

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Seriously, it's as if this conversation happened.
Sony: How are the cards.
WoTC: Good, we managed to print these little icons on them that--
Sony: BRILLIANT! PRINT MILLIONS OF THEM!
WoTC: But aren't we going to test them agaisnt--
Sony: Test what? You've got runes on them! They're impossible to copy!

Coquiton

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Maybe if they threw in a cd-key for each card that can only be activated X-times per month. It's not exactly like the cards have been mass shipped or anything. As for the cards currently in the wild, they could offer a program to replace them with cd-key cards after the game is patched to ask for key.

ReginaldTheSeventySecond

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Akin: and drive the price of the game even higher, so even less folk would buy it. :\

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @busboy33: Behold, the new face of countless EOJ 'fair play' trolls. Thank you for your lovingly twisted logic and helping to reinforce my feelings that you, and many of your ilk will ruin this game as a whole unless you have a large pool of honest people to play against.

This has ruined EOJ for me. Till they fix it (And i'm not sure they can, save for delcaring the pack in deck, and all boosters void and patching the camera), I will not spent $70+ on this game when some smoo with print outs and a freaking marker can boost his chances of winning 70% by skillfully putting together a deck of the best.

This was the same issue Pokemon had before it got past Neo, everyone uses Haymakers, RainDance and Energy Deny decks. The same thing will happen here, complex system or not, once the cheater figure out how best to use their decks, they will and completely ruin online play for anyone looking for a good random match.

WoTC should have known better, but the fault seems to be with the camera itself.

Foxstar Sixtail

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Hahah,

So all those sigils on the black bars are actually meaningless fluff intended to get players to think it's more complicated than it actually is. This could easily be tested by simply masking over one square with some black tape and seeing if it read. Apparently it did.

It's a Barcode. I always enjoyed Barcode Battler but mostly for the way you could find random packaging around the house and scan it in search of EPICZ!!

Unfortuantely, that game generated the items dynamically based on the barcode it read and EoJ has a limited preset cardpool (mostly because it couldn't work any other way).

Johnzim

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> so kotaku, whens the article detailing how to hotwire a car due? stealing is stealing after all.

this dosent make much difference to me as if im playing somone online id like to think tactics would make the meat of the game, and if somones using fake cards right in front of me they'll wind up getting hurt.

Rammsoldat

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Hengst2404:
That wasn't a defense. I wasn't trying to say what I did was ok. I was simply saying that even as a broke ten year old in 1993 I was able to copy cards for use in a ccg, yet the game in question still sold like hot cakes, which would lead me to believe that this "problem" with the EoJ cards isn't a new one or a significant one.

My morality is a completely separate issue, the discussion of which really has no place on this board.

KurtSubvert

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Doh even now there is a flash that can emulate the card patterns by just inputting numbers.

I think the copy protection was just for printing purpose.

zenoplex

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Shocking how the gimmick protected by supposedly "uncopyable" cards can not only be defeated with a crappy printer, but patient people with markers.

The true culprit in this issue, of course, is the camera itself. If it was higher resolution, it would be able to detect smaller differences.

Akin

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Well if you can see the other person on the screen you could definately tell the marker copies. However I am sure some people will be able to print card that look damn real. I mean do you really think you will have such clarity on your screen where you will be able to eyeball a good copy, one that has both fron and back covers. Teh chinese are gonna have a field day with counterfit cards. Sucks for people that really want to play this game.

Thankfully I am not one of them however it wasn't a bad idea for a game. Hope the funs not ruined for all of you that were really excited out there.

Genra

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold: I see your point.

This whole copy thing makes me wonder what sony or hasbro might try to do to combat it. If they even do anything.

PS3MAN

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> as much as i enjoy a collectible card game as much as the next ner, it IS paying like 400 times what it cost to make for pieces of thick paper, to quote gabe from a penny arcade comic "thats ironic, right?, thats ironic?"

I think they added those gold emblems as markers to make people think "damn those msut be some barcode type incription we couldnt copy that, but the gmable fell through.

the game still looks cool though, almsot enough to make me get a ps3 instead of waiting for a price drop.

But could trying your own permutations fo the code generate random stuff?
possible the falme throwing rubber ducky perhaps?


underground_slacker

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> when they said "impossible to duplicate" what they really meant was, "Please don't try this because we fail....."

how could they NOT test this?! and if they did, did some PR guy shrug it off and say "Lets just tell them they can't!!!! That should throw them off"

seriously....... I remember when PC games came out with certain copy protection marks saying they were unbreakable, 2 hours after release you could illegally download a copy (Don't do this of course support your publishers)

People take great pride in things like this, if you tell someone something is impossible they are bound to prove you wrong and they will work damn hard to make sure it gets done too.

I am saddened for the fans of this game that actually plan on buying the cards because they believe it is the right thing to do. I do not, however feel sorry for the devs/WoC shame on them it's their fault.

xBETAx

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @PS3MAN: The camera isnt smart enough to actually tell the diff between 2 of the same type of cards, asides from the fact that it needs to read both of the same types at the same time to register 2 of something. The cards themselves dont appear to have any special data that separates duplicates from eachother.

Plus I dont recall the camera seeming to take any pictures of anything.

So all the data that sony will have is just the fact that the player has certian cards unlocked really. Not actual "pictures" of what cards the player owns.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold: I am not sure myself but since you have to register your deck you would think that sony could get this info if they wanted. "To ensure that players do not cheat each other while playing a match, the game will require each player to register his or her deck. To do this, you must save your deck offline, with cards that you physically own, by showing the cards to the camera. To prevent players from registering multiples of cards that they own one of, the game requires that if you want more than one copy of a card in your deck, you must hold the number of copies of that card in the camera's view at one time. Once you have your deck saved offline, you may log in online and use it in any match. To further ensure the opportunity to cheat doesn't present itself, the game will shuffle each players deck and draw their cards for them. This method, if it works properly, sounds like a great way to stop cheaters dead in their tracks."

This is my main reason for not caring to much about copies.

PS3MAN

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Ok, seriously, simple things could have been done to prevent proxy cards being entered. Null/dead spaces on empty areas that must be readable by camera (unless covered by a card). Simple color detection or shape identification (of the card itself) to assist in the process. Barcode or close-up pattern scan before card placement for authentication. Sure those things could be copied/cracked, but it would be another hastle cheaters would have to deal with.

Then again, if EoJ was playable over LAN connection, it could make for Sony/WotC hosting a tournament at a gaming convention with a possible cash prize at stake. If it came to pass, you already know proxies would be banned.

Then again, what would I know? It's not like I've designed these things before...

bugashi

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Wow. That sucks for any EoJ players. Being able to copy cards is pretty weak, but to just draw the right shapes, I don't normally say this but "Daaaamn, Sony."
What happened to the hack-proof magic inks?

BMErdin

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I said it once and I'll say it again. Collectible card games are a scam in the first place and they deserve what's coming to them. "Quick we need money! Print some shit on paper and sell it for 5 times it's value!"

NPC

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @AGiES: If you can confirm this that would be great.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I don't think this is going to ruin the whole game. There is a precedent for this sort of thing in CCGs and the game design, if any good, should be able to hold up to this. I've written a lot more about this.

weizur

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold: WotC is just printing the cards. They had nothing to do with the design.

Agies

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Collectable card games are a bizzare past-time. Electronic collectable card games doubley so.

Raynre

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> A million monkeys working for a million years with a million...

wait... no...

Two monkeys working for 10 hours could make a full deck of EOJ cards...

SONY FTW!!!

yonderTheGreat

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @TheBigSmoke: Thats the obvious option, but how fun is a game without music.

Then again it is horrible music.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> href="#c2792459">Witzbold:

At least you can just turn it off.

thebigsmoke

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @TheBigSmoke: I do hope there will be new music download since it really fucking sucks hard.

I do hope people will bitch about it enough so that they release something to replace the current music with.

Its just so out of place it isnt even funny.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold:

This whole "screenshot" thing started on the official playstation forums today, but it seems like a rumour that's just taken off. No one from Sony has ever said there's any system of the sort, nor would anything in the TOS suggest it.

The other popular conspiracy is that Sony has more advanced card protection ready to roll out for the announced second and third expansions - so to sucker casual players in with "free" cards but then stick them if they want to keep playing.

Personally, I think it's a lot of time and effort to worry about what everyone else is doing. I find the game fun, and want to support innovate hybrid gamesystems so they'll get my booster and theme deck money.

Incidentally you're absolutely right - the soundtrack is brutal. Has anyone announced if we'll be getting custom game music with the (long-awaited) XMB-in-game update... whenever that is?

thebigsmoke

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Thankfully the Mana system also helps prevent idiots from being able to get those high level rare cards out onto the field also.

From my own experience its actually rather difficult to successfully pull out the heavy hitters. Without screwing yourself over in one way or another.

Seems like a big part of the game is mana management.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I'd hope that people considering giving the game a shot don't let this deter them. I'm strongly in the camp that this isn't a huge deal. I'm sure there will be copiers out there, but there are cheaters in lots of on-line games.

Any "advantage" they gain is arguable, and not game-breaking - as others have mentioned the way the game is structured you'll be using commons far more in your decks than rares so you really can't "stack" the deck as much as you can in other CCG's (at least at this point - which is, admittedly, early in the game).

As a non-CCG player I've had an absolute *blast* with the game so far. The only downside of the "copying" furor seems to be having potential players not give the game a fair shake which would be a real shame as it's certainly an issue... but not a gamebreaker IMHO.

thebigsmoke

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @PS3MAN: I dont think its a screenshot is it? Since it looks more like the game just pops up a pre-generated graphic of the card itself and not a screenshot.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> i said it before and i will repeat myself again "Remember you must register your cards with the camera to add them to your online deck. When you put the card under the camera, it is visually inspected, and a screen shot is taken of the card. These screen shots can be reviewed by PSN GM staff at any time. I'm warning players now before you get all excited thinking you are going to get to play with fake cards. It is your own fault if you get banned from EoJ."

PS3MAN

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I still find it hard to believe that at no point did somebody during development test out copies, they probably did but maybe decided to take a bullet just to make Eyetoy sales. Just a guess, but it does irk me that theres been no official comment about this since reviews started rolling in.

CallMeRotten

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> the problem is, make cards with easy marks so the game has no problem with recognizing them or make tricky marks the game might have problems if just a little thing is wrong with the card.

Himiko

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @doubtful:

I disagree with two of your points:

"Bullshit Assumption #2: This evens the playing field.
Wrong. This reminds me of pirates justifying theft by rationalizing that they deserve to play through a game or watch a movie to see if they want to buy it. It's just pure bullshit."

??? Your analogy makes no sense. The "levels the playing field" argument holds that if having certain cards in your deck gives you an advantage, then its not "fair" for people with access to more cards to come into a game against someone without that opportunity. Pirates stealing a movie has nothing to do with fair competition. At all.

"Rule number one of ALL collectible card games is that you actually have to collect the cards. So you're breaking the rules and ruining the game for anyone who actually wants to follow the rules."

There's two things going on here -- collecting and playing a game. I can collect comic books. I can play poker. The "rules" for a CARD GAME are the rules that determine who wins a game. The rules for COLLECTING CARDS are "gotta get 'em all".
btw, doesn't this support the "level playing field" argument? If you are supposed to "get 'em all", then actually getting them all gives you broader opportunities to play.

"Oh, the other thing you're breaking is the law."

The IP argument against the scanned and copied cards will be interesting, but in terms of me just drawing with a marker on paper the required bars and shapes to make the game think I have a card, you are dead wrong. I haven't taken anything whatsoever from Sony or the publishers -- I made the bars and shapes myself. I paid for the PS3. I paid for the eyetoy. I paid for EoJ. Nothing whatsoever is stolen. The fact that the camera looks at my doodles and allows me to use certain cards is absolutely not any kind of theft whatsoever.



busboy33

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> The fastest way to get something done, is to tell everyone it's impossible. That ensures that everyone will immediately start trying to prove otherwise.

Eltigro

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> So I'm a bit reassured now about this since those that own mention that these illegal cards won't have a huge impact on the actual games. Sure it'll have some effect, but it doesn't mean the cheaters will always win. i think this whole issue brings a lot of negativity to the game, but the problem might not be as severe as all of us think...

vizion

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @amusedtoe: Says the guy on a gaming blog ;)

Oyn

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @kingclip: I haven't tried yet, but I don't think you need the headset. The EyeToy has a microphone built in.

jayntampa

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @KurtSubvert: Spoken like somebody who doesn't understand the underlying principle of these games. You can rationalize cheating and engaging in illegal behavior all you want, but in the end you are merely rationalizing, which by its very nature implies that you are try to make rational an irrational act. In this case the whole harmless crime seems to be your route of choice.

You obviously knew, even back in the 90s that using color copies of cards you didn't obtain properly was a violation of the rules. Just because you got away with it and just because other people actually "did" pay for their cards so the company isn't hurt is lame.

No offense, but it would seem safer to not offer these kind of defenses for this kind of behavior.

Hengst2404

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Spartan1308: You have of course overlooked the fact that this is a collectible card game, not a one deck card game. The whole point is collecting cards and everybody having different things to offer towards their deck.

Hengst2404

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Its not like these guys are cheating other players... they are just cheating the card manufactures. Even that is all in the mind of the beholder though. I mean damn, its not like they don't already pay money for their games.

If it hadn't come up simply from copying the cards, they would have been broken with gameshark. Personally, I find the bigger offense selling someone something they already own... in this case, the data that is given to the player by owning the card.

And really, I don't like the idea of playing a game where someone who goes throwing money around with no regard has an advantage. If you want to talk about fairness and legitimacy, perhaps you should consider that in a truly fair competitive environment, players aren't able to get a leg up on eachother simply from accumulating resources out of the game.

Oh, don't pay me any mind though. I have no plans to touch this game with a ten foot pole. I can't stand collectible card games partly because of this very reason.

DimensionWarped

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Has anyone here ever read a magazine at the supermarket? What about going to Books a Million to do research for a project - you buy some coffee, sit at the table, take a bunch of notes, then go home after a couple hours, ever done that? How about borrowing a CD from a friend, ripping a song or two, and making a mix tape later on?

These examples are wide spread and characteristically accepted because they aren't a digital medium. Why does it make it okay to not give a magazine publisher your money because you read the good articles in line, but it's not okay to download a couple pictures of some cards that are needed to unlock content that's already in the game?

Christ, if you like this, quit bitching about downloadable content that's already bundled on the disk, and you have to pay 4 bucks to get an unlock code.

Jack of Spades

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> This isn't that big of a deal. Magic Cards have been copyable since they first came out in the early nineties. As a ten year old playing magic I would occasionally use color copies of rares I couldn't afford. Placed in one of those ubiquitous a flat color backed plastic sleeves that almost all decks are sheathed in, you really couldn't tell the difference.
I don't think this affected magic sales much though, because since most people who play ccgs genuinly like the collecting aspect.

KurtSubvert

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @jayntampa: I'm with you -- if you start playing with folks you know, you'll be cool.

Can you chat over headset while playing? Anyone?

kingclip

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Ok on a side note to all those who own the game.

Any of you other folks hate the SHIT ANGSTY ROCK music they put in as the soundtrack? Its just so fucking out of place its not even funny.

Whoever decided to put this asstastical soundtrack in needs to get fired and quick. Worst music ever.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @jayntampa: The one thing I'd say is that you don't want them going too far though or it'll be like Bioshock and the people who actually buy the stuff will be left holding the bag when it's so complicated it doesn't work half the time.

ShineyBlueShoes

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @doubtful: I agree that it messes up the game; it stinks that so many people are so unethical.

Still, Sony should have done a better job of protecting their assets. That being said, I've probably bought 10 or 11 boosters and 2 theme decks ... and, I plan to play legit.

jayntampa

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Dishonest people are going to do what they want regardless, this is just piracy in a different form. Who this really impacts, as usual, is the people that want to play legit and actually collect the game. They're caught between wanting to play the game right and not wanting to throw money away on something that's been made entirely worthless.

ShineyBlueShoes

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> McWhertor "Guys, I can photocopy by trading cards to play on my PS3 and stick it to the man!"

Me (shakes head) "Neeerrrd."

mcderek3000

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @MikeH: @jayntampa:

Yeah, granted, I was looking at it from the 'copying copyrighted material' viewpoint by downloading cards.

I guess making black marks on a piece of paper may indeed be legal, but it really depends on any copyrights and patents they have.

Who knows, maybe it's covered under parody laws.

doubtful

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Copying cards is COMPLETELY illegal.

Making shapes with a marker is not illegal. If you can really do it that way, they're good to go.

jayntampa

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @doubtful: I'd be interested to know if this is really illegal, I doubt it.

MikeH

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Bullshit Assumption #1: This won't ruin the game.

Answer: The nature of collectible card games isn't just about playing the game. It's also about collecting, and the pride of having found a card that someone else doesn't have. It's not always about making the better deck.

Wizards of the Coast also has to make money to continue to support this game. If people are stealing from them, they don't make money, so they don't keep making cards.

Bullshit Assumption #2: This evens the playing field.

Wrong. This reminds me of pirates justifying theft by rationalizing that they deserve to play through a game or watch a movie to see if they want to buy it. It's just pure bullshit.

Rule number one of ALL collectible card games is that you actually have to collect the cards. So you're breaking the rules and ruining the game for anyone who actually wants to follow the rules.

Oh, the other thing you're breaking is the law.

Aside from the irony of PS3 owners complaining that a CCG is too expensive, just face it. That's the nature of the game, of all CCGs for that matter. You buy boosters to get more cards to build better decks. If you don't like it, play another game, don't ruin this one.

doubtful

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I envision the next step to is to make actual pieces instead of cards. Hey, it works for WizKids Games (Mechwarrior and the new Halo-clix game). Come on, lets get back to table-top gaming, the way it should be. With hand crafted miniatures.

On a side note, Sony can now say that the PS3 fully supports player created content.

Mecharine

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> ...

i guess someone should set-up some kinda defence force or summin' to combat this, huh?

as702ecs

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I've never been a fan of having to buy your weapons. It's like paying an extra $5 for a hadouken, or $8 for a new race track (come on Turn 10!). You're paying $40 for the game itself? Let this roll. Let people think they're taking advantage of the system. All those people still have to buy the $40 game.

Then again, I could be totally wrong. It's happened before..

crewwolfy

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> a way to avoid that is to sell the cards with a long "Serial number" registered on a database. and force people to validate cards with that serial number if want to play multiplayer with other people.

but this will not look sexy, maybe for the next version.

Tei

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Furious_Liver: hey, lorwyn is NOT lame. it's an epic set which just needs a little lovin', that's all!
as for EOJ, this is truly a failure for sony. wizards, i admire the idea, but i thought this rather bad shortly after its conception.

deathscent

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> One thing I forgot to mention though, a fuckup of this magnitude, will it even hurt the game the way we all think it will?

I mean think about it, first of all you need a good deck AND skill to win, having the top of the line of cards won't accomplish a thing. Which means if everyone has access to "all" cards right NOW, the rest of the game is up to wits.

Another thing is, how far has the development team thought ahead? To copy a card, it needs to be available to someone, who then needs to upload it somewhere.

Maybe future cardsets can be enhanced with more security measures, but at least theyaren't available yet, so not everything is spoiled, I'd say.
In the end though, this doesn't look like a good thing, from any angle.

Iceman B.

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Spartan1308: I hate it when people write off these games as "he who spends the most wins the most." I used to buy a basic Magic theme deck whenever co-workers wanted to play. They'd all laugh that I was going to lose because they had better hand-built decks. But I won as much as I lost, and it never felt like the guy who had spent entire paychecks on cards was necessarily doing any better than those of us with basic starter decks.

BrianReed

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Volomon: I guess that would be a big reason why I don't care for this sort of game. It's not based around intelligent strategy so much as it's based around spending a ton of money buying all the cards you want. I think they could make the expansion thing work a bit better if you took all the cards from each player at the beginning of the match and dealt them randomly. Then you could still have a mix of different and interesting cards, but you wouldn't have the problem where the guy who bought every good card he could find on ebay faces the kid who only has the starter cards. It still wouldn't be an even playing field, but it could be a lot more even.

Spartan1308™

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Also, assuming Wizards ever runs tournaments, I would imagine it would all have to be played live and in-person and thus require you to have real cards-- just like Magic: The Gathering, which can also be printed out from any color printer and used to play at home.

BrianReed

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> The game is a blast and cheating does not necessarily help you in any way. There is no one "win" card. The CPU still shuffles/draws for you in online matches. And most matches are won by using small 1 mana creatures rather than the big heavy rares. Is card copying a problem? Sure. Is it one that will doom the game? I doubt it.

If playing fair means I have to buy 4 dollar booster packs, then I don't care - lets me support a game I truly enjoy.

AdeptVoice

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I'm still lost on the part where this destroys the game for other players? Sure, you've "stolen" all the cards by copying them off the internet, but you still have to deal with the rarity rules ("only 1 of this card allowed," or the even more restricting "1 of this species").

You still have to draw the cards.

You still have to have the skill to use them properly (says the guy that just last evening summoned a fire creature onto a water panel and watched it promptly die).

Does the download/print/copy of cards screw Wizards/Sony? You bet, and I won't be doing it as I dig having the cards in hand. Do you believe that nobody ever realized this would happen? Do you really, really believe that? Because if you do, you are as dumb as the guy who thinks pumping his deck full of rares and powerful creatures will make him teh win.

BrianReed

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold: I admit that I do not know much about cameras or recognizing light patterns, but I would think that it would not be too expensive to have a complex series of cuts in the corner of the card and have the camera read that (i would think this would be much harder to forge then a series of colors). I realize that this solution would have issues, and may not even be possible, but my point is that with a little bit more time in R&D would surly have saved them large amounts of money in the end. I am not sure about the general public, but knowing that people can easily cheat in a game has ruined many games for me.

Ultraseamus

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Someone seriously dropped the CTCG ball and Sony has another promising title crap out.

EndersGame

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Veltis: You have to mod your 360 to use those rips. This can mean running the risk of having yourself locked out of Live. I'm not sure about the Wii thing. I think you'd have to mod it now too if you have the latest firmware that which renders Freeloader useless.

Spartan1308™

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Volomon: Dont forget WotC. Since its not 100% sony`s doing. Im sure WotC had a large hand in the design of the game since sony doesnt exactly have a lot of experience in the TCG scene.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Maybe they should've gone with QR code.

They can see you place your cards right? Anyway, this'll be good for people who don't have money to buy booster packs and stuff.

yiggs

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> cant believe people are even going so far to copy these cards..lol although this might be a wake up call to sony to revise their whole strategy for the cards in general. kinda sad to see people refusing to contribute hard earned cash to a game that seems very promising. this is like the whole copying games to disc, i remeber when that became the rage i refused to do it. as it is music and movies are constanly being pirated daily. gaming is the last thing that we have that truly needs our money in order to survive.

zanzibarlegend

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Amazing_Steve:

Yeah, this game is going to get owned by all the cheapskates. Quite sad.

DigitalHero

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Spartan1308 How funs is a game with no possibility of expansions because they can't make any money in the cards.

Volomon

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> This sucks. It looked like such a cool and innovative idea. It's a shame that cheating is so easy.

Toasticus

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @VIZION No you can't tell if you are playing online. Before I was kind of upset by the copying but this is just plain said you can't base a game around such easily copyable things. Primarily people like me will just feel ripped of attempting to collect a deck to play against people with full access to all the cards from the get go.

Dumb ass Sony.

Volomon

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Ultraseamus: Did I ever say they needed military level protection?

Something as simple as even slapping on a special hologram sticker could have worked. But the next question is getting the camera to work with such a thing.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Hengst2404: I really think the whole setup where people can buy their way into a better position in the game is stupid. If I'm going to play a competitive strategy game, there should be a level playing field. My suggestion above about the screenshot thing is just an idea that I thought might be in the works. I don't actually think it would be so horrible for everyone to have access to all the cards. That's the only way it would really be a "fair" game. I'm not into card games anyway, so it really doesn't matter to me.

How fun would a game of chess be if someone w/more money to put into the game could start w/8 queens on their front line instead of pawns or buy some other kind of piece that would have extra power?

Spartan1308™

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Hengst2404:

Wouldn't you be able to see if they're using fake cards or not?

Again, I don't think we should publicize piracy issues like this. If it wasn't posted here, a lot less people would know about it. You might as well post about every piracy threat out there. Obviously Sony had to say it was impossible to break, and even more obvious was the fact that people were going to break it.

vizion

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Ultraseamus: As wise as a comment as they come, bravo!

REDFIELD8

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Witzbold: They do not need military level protection, just something a step up from bar codes. The system would still be cracked, but at least it would not be this easy, and the harder something is the fewer people there will be to take advantage of it.

Ultraseamus

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Time to try random patterns of black blocks and try to unlock some secret cards?

Reiichi

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> At least for now you cant copy a PS3 game and play it on the console, you cant say the same for the 360 and the Wii, the torrent site and the newsgroup already have all the games before their release date.

Veltis

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Also, I caught when people say that technically because of the card restrictions, this doesn't hurt the game. Again drawing on my Magic experience, when there is no cheating, people have to use a combination of both cards and skill to win the game. When people have access to all the cards at once, it really defeats the entire purpose of the game.

Why would I want to play somebody who has access to every single card in the game, while one card won't let you win, do you really thing having 30 of the best available cards against a mixture of a starter deck and a few boosters is fair?

Hengst2404

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I'm afraid this game is broken. I was joking yesterday when I said that Sony would unleash the Arbiters of Judgment, but who knows.

First cheaters in Warhawk, now cheaters in this. Unless they fix it, I'm not sure I'm buying it, and this was honestly one of the reasons I wanted a PS3.

doubtful

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Don't just ban em' lock out their consoles!

Xephos

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I think if they did use a camera that could pick up complex patterns and such, even more so people wouldnt touch the game due to the price.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Actually, the notion that this won't hurt the company are a bit off. Why in their right mind, would anybody play somebody in a Magic game if that person's deck was made entirely of proxies? They wouldn't be allowed to do that and people wouldn't want to play it. The number of collectors for something like this will always be smaller than the number of players and I for one am now questioning my decision to buy this as I actually bought the whole thing for the game. Might have to hold off on buying cards until I see what if anything they do about this.

Hengst2404

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> internet is smart, man, you exec sould not pretend to pass ugly lame protection schemes. stuff has to be engineered so this will not hurt the core business, and stuff.

good luck with this game, i support innovative gameplay, and this one game graphics look really nice to me.

EoJ FTW!

Tei

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I like the idea of EoJ. But it's not my kind of game. I think Konami should look at this and use it for Yu-Gi-Oh!

I think this game will have a clut classic but won't be really popular.

Sailorcancer

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @TheRebellion: I have the game in front of me, but have been too distracted by the absolutely superb Zack and Wiki on the Wii to play it yet. As I recall the cards - when being used in a multiplayer game online - are scanned into the camera before hand, then displayed (as your deck) onscreen. I'm pretty sure the opposing gamer never gets to see your REAL cards as such. This is to prevent you 'pretending' to draw cards from the top of the deck but instead having them off to the side of the camera then declaring "wow how lucky am i look what was on top of the deck!" and producing some kinda killer card.

Even though copies are possible obviously, the actual game experience doesn't change that much. You are still limited by what the game draws for you from your scanned deck (albeit perhaps the very finest cards), and two high quality decks are pretty equal. It's similar to the WoW card game - having masses of EPICS and RARES doesn't help you beyond giving you an excellent starting choice. It's not as if you can use every single EPIC all at once and actually win any game like that - or so I understand.

I imagine something must have gone down between Sony and Wizard, because the copy protection for this game is absolutely pathetic. I'm pretty sure very early on Wizard must have been told Sony would be putting very little marketing behind it or something - hence Wizard pulled out of developing an expensive anti-copying system. Just a thought.

RogueSquid

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Netnavi: Haha...holy crap, I heard about this today at work: "Jinx, poke, you owe me a Coke". What the hell, I'd never heard of that before in my life...although I'm only 24, and she's like almost 40. Holy hell. What an auspicious day.

chainlink13

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> More copy protection could also mean harder for the cam to detect. It's the same as all copy protection, it always comes as a cost. Most people playing this would probably like to collect the cards anyways.

ruibing

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> its exactly what i expeted, no matter how much raw power the ps3 has, we are still very far away from seen programs/games that can recognize COMPLEX forms trough a camera...

TOCATL

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Sad to see such a promising idea dying such a horrible death, but this latest IS pretty hilarious. It's bad enough you can fake them with lo-rez scan and a desktop printer; when they can be faked by hand, someone needs to be fired, Futurama style, from a cannon, into the sun.

cynopt

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Spartan1308: I think the banned route sounds like a good deal...but oh boy...there's one PS3 owner (out of what like 5 of us?) that might get upset and disown his (or hers) console. Good riddance, the damn thief!

chainlink13

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @chainlink13: You thought the same thing? You forgot Jinx, you owe me a soda!

Netnavi

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Spartan1308: uh you can't really tell if they are using fake cards since I don't believe you can see their actual physical cards.

Leaderz0rz

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> While Im all for proxy decks where people want to test out shit, Im not for all those "new" folk who are most likely the breed of "free (illegal) downloads of various games and music assuming its their god given right) who will be playing with no care as to the repercussions it will have on the games longevity.

Oh yeah in my profile I think I have my PSN name added for anyone who feels like playing. Although I still know fuck-o about what Im doing in the game itself, since Ive only messed around with it for 2 hours yesterday.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> But what if your drawings are Impressionistic? Does the camera recognize the colour strokes??

@chiablo: LMAO!

REDFIELD8

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> You know, it looks like a fun game, I saw one of my friends playing it and I was like "Holy Shit that looks sweet!"

I'm not really turned off as much as some of these fanboys are. Not only that, It looks like if you get the best beefed up card, it takes up resources that you are supplied with. So it doesn't really matter if you are cheating. You still have to play by the rules.

ffmusicdj

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @TheRebellion: Unless people get banned from PSN for this, it's not likely that a lot of people will care. The best thing they can do at this point is implement a reporting system where you hit a button to report that takes a screenshot for proof.

Spartan1308™

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Well of course they are gonna say the cards are impossible to duplicate, why would they say "yea just grab some markers and make your own?" I doubt they could ever make them impossible to copy unless they did something like the e-card reader.

Still people well see your fake cards and not play with you.

thebigxer

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> that's interesting tho, it recognizes the patterns.

I'm guessing there's going to be a DIY guide pretty soon for all the cards.

epionx111

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Its only a matter of time till someone makes a site where you can just print out every card. ._.

Nice work Wizards. >_>;

.......AND LORWYN IS LAME!!! ;~;

FP Furious_Liver, lacks independence

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> I'm guessing cards will have ultra/rare/ rare common tendancies. I guess the true hardcore fanatics will want the original. I'm sure it won't hurt the business.

I remember doing something like this playing magic...

I took a basic land and wrote "serra angel" ha ha this was before 3rd edition was well established.

epionx111

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> drm is the new snake-oil.

Tei

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> This reminds me of the old 'Magic Marker' trick to get around certain CD or DVD encryption that Sony spent millions of dollars developing.

Sony just needs to buy out Sharpie and shut down all marker production, since it's destroying their copy protection schemes.

chiablo

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Kaji: Id assume if you can get it dark enough for the camera to pick up, anything will work.

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As much as I love "free market" and Ill with the gaming industry, I prefer situations where both the consumers and producers win. One sided situations of either are bad for the industry in general.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> "simply drawing out the basic identifying shapes by hand with a couple of colored felt-tipped markers."

hahahaha, if this is true then someone (probably a team of someones) seriously screwed up, not sure how they possibly could have made such a big mistake.

Ultraseamus

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> @Netnavi: jinx, double-jinx, to the infinity.

chainlink13

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Felt tipped markers? I'd cry if I wasn't bracing for someone to declare crayons work as well...

Kaji

]]> <![CDATA[Eye of Judgment Card Creating Easier Than Expected?]]> Huzza