Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch" - Kotaku Comments

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

kotakuspaceship — Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:24:48 MDT

@Video: Then what you have is a bad case of ignorance.

kotakuspaceship

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:36:52 MDT

@Plunkett: At times in this Halo DS saga, you (Kotaku) have poked fun at Casamassina's teasing/claims, even evidence.

In hindsight I and others might have made too big a deal of that, heat of the argument, etc. But honestly, you don't see how this could've turned "into a credibility thing"? o_O

FWIW, I read Kotaku almost daily and really like your witty, no-holds-barred, fast-paced reporting and commentary. But sometimes I get the sense that an edgy headline and punchy phrasing takes precedence over accuracy.

(Also, I don't think you and Casamassina hate eachother, but a webstreamed Uwe Boll-esque boxing match would be awesome kthxbai!)

CheekMystique

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N-G-G — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:54:25 MDT

Kotaku having issues with IGN?! Inconceivable!

While we're on the subject of Kotaku using IGN members' personal blog posts as news, here's another tidbit of information.

"I can completely validate Matt's claim that Nintendo handheld Halo was being considered by Microsoft. A few years ago, I had insiders from multiple development studios telling me about a "secret project" they were pitching Microsoft on...which turned out to be Halo for Nintendo handhelds."

"When I had posted a story about Halo coming to GBA/DS, that's when everything came crashing down. The next day I was assaulted from every side imaginable: Microsoft, Bungie, and the dev studios who were working on the project. Producers from all development studios freaked out that I violated their trust...none knowing that their project was also being pitched by other studios."

- Craig Harris, IGN

N-G-G

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Luke Plunkett — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 17:05:28 MDT

So...me and Casamassina have a blood fued now? News to me! Yes, he's the one who broke the story, and he did it quite some time ago! But as soon as he did it became NEWS. News for EVERYONE to discuss and investigate.

I find it a little sad so many people have somehow turned this into a credibility thing, or some issue between me and Casamassina. It's an interesting and unlikely topic, as evidenced by the turnout in this thread, so Brian asked Bungie about it, they answered, we posted.

Luke Plunkett

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maiky-nisute — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:45:21 MDT

so sad.

maiky-nisute

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:45:56 MDT

Just to be crystal clear. To me this is about trust (and who we should trust): do we trust game journalists more, or game companies?

Maybe we should only trust certain journalists? But who? Plunkett@Kotaku but not Casamassina@IGN? Why?

If a Bungie spokesperson can say "I believe this Halo DS demo was unsolicited," and we trust him over an independent journalist (with video evidence) who claims this demo was created with MS' knowledge but ultimately turned down, where does that leave us?

Is Kotaku the only honest and independent site left? Seriously: why?

If you don't believe Casamassina, please explain to me why, and why we should trust anything we read on kotaku.com.

CheekMystique

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:49:26 MDT

Sure, I sometimes cringe while listening to "Wiik in Review" with Matt and Boson(sp?), but I have yet to catch them in subterfuge, dishonesty or outright lies.

Their appreciation of things Nintendo might be mine+7, but I've always found them honest and truthful.

Does anyone have examples of why Casamassina should not be trusted? Can anyone tell me why he -- (yes I'm repeating this 'cause it's crucial) an independent journalist with NO STAKE IN THE HALO FRANCHISE -- is less trustworthy than a Bungie spokesperson. Anybody?

CheekMystique

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EnigmaNemesis — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:29:38 MDT

@CheekMystique:

Maybe they dont like him because he is a fanboy journalist?

EnigmaNemesis

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:23:00 MDT

@P_40E: YES FUCKING YES INDEED I AM! I'm *seriously* suggesting that an independent journalist with NO STAKE IN THE HALO FRANCHISE is more trustworthy than an honest-to-God stakeholder!

Do you have *that* little faith in Casamassina? Because you "don't know him"?

Then why the fuck is Kotaku more believable? Do you know Luke Plunkett (disclose your biases here!)?

Matt Casamassina has a looong record of reporting on Nintendo/gaming, and I have yet to find an example where he has misled his readership on purpose -- links?.

Let me turn it around, do you *seriously* take a stakeholder's word -- whose interests are more-or-less maximizing shareholder monies -- over a journalist armed with video evidence (that you wouldn't have gotten in a million years from Bungie or Microsoft)?

(And let's agree to disagree on the bullshit "I believe" cop-out. I take it as "I don't want to be caught in a lie so I'll give you my 'I believe something' take on what I thought might've happened -- that Microsoft ultimately decides on anyway, by the way!!")

CheekMystique

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EnigmaNemesis — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:12:10 MDT

Viral Marketing!

EnigmaNemesis

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leshrac55 — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:00:54 MDT

Well, it still sounds like they don't really want to talk about it... It seems to be a bit more than just a little tech demo. Casamassina said that it actually had a well-known developer and publisher behind it, so clearly it was a bit more than just some indie development team with a cold submission.

-Jeff
[alinktothefuture.com]

leshrac55

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mrsultana — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:52:26 MDT

Definitely looks like something I'd buy for my DS. Something alot of friends would, too. I guess they AREN'T just in it for the money.

mrsultana

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P_40E — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:33:15 MDT

@CheekMystique: See Jarrard's qualifier "I believe"? Doesn't that suggests he doesn't know? He didn't say "It was an unsolicited pitch." To me it looks like he wasn't even in the loop.

Are you seriously suggesting that BUNGIE would know less about this project than Matt Casamassina?

It's not that I think he's untrustworthy, but since I don't know who he is I don't have a reason to trust him. And when official word from Bungie directly contradicts him (no, I don't think "I believe" completely invalidates what he's saying), it definitely qualifies as "rumour smash".

Let me ask you, though, what is it about this guy that makes him so much more trustworthy than Bungie?

@badasscat:

A third statement from Bungie's quote: "but nothing ever came of it". Unless they built almost the entire game without ever seeking approval from Microsoft, it didn't get very far at all.

P_40E

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Tkat — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:07:48 MDT

i dunno why my posts are not showing up
it was real, MS came to my old company with 3 SKU's and this was one of them, then midway thru the cycle with 2 of the SKU's they pulled Halo and gave us something else.

2 of the 3 SKUS came out, the last one (the halo replacement) never did cause I canceled it.

Tkat

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EnigmaNemesis — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:43:25 MDT

@NoBullet:

Of course, Nintendo fanboys think they (Nintendo) is Hollier than Thou!

And totally dismiss and overlook the same shit they do as the other 2 does as well.

EnigmaNemesis

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:40:39 MDT

@el_rezzo: Yeah, pretty much like "Halo Wars."

The difference here seems to be that it was turned down by MS (and that Casamassina broke the story, which people apparently hate).

The reason why it was turned down is a valid and interesting question, but "why Casamassina is a whore" seems to be the more important talking point...

My theory:
1. Developer X contacts Microsoft: hey, we have an idea for Halo DS (shows Photoshop screenshots), what you say?!
2. Microsoft says: Umm, weird but... okay.. Umm.. what do you have in mind?
3. Dev X creates a playable demo and shows it to Microsoft.
[4-13. Much skulduggery]
[5-Y. Casamassina gets wind of the story and tells us very little about it for a long time.]
[5+N--16. Kotaku + many many others fall head over heels to tear Casamassina a new asshole.]
15. Microsoft: Umm.. guys, thanks but we're gonna pass, ok?
16. This post ('There's been rumours, "proof" and heresay [sic] flying around the place for years now, culminating in this week's "footage" of the game.') and our comments.

CheekMystique

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badasscat — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:25:52 MDT

@P_40E: Notice how Matt C's article makes Halo DS seem much bigger than it ever was?

How do you know how big the game is/was? All we know is Bungie said it was an unsolicited pitch that MS at some point (initially, eventually, whenever) declined to approve.

Games are canned at 80% or more complete all the time. The two statements contained in Bungie's quote - a) that it was an unsolicited pitch, and b) that MS declined - give absolutely no hint at how much of a game actually exists and how far along development was.

Regardless, this whole "my article's better than your article" thing amounts to nothing more than a pissing contest. It's really pretty childish.

badasscat

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el_rezzo — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:06:21 MDT

So bottom line is someone other than Bungie tried to make a Halo game for a Nintendo console and Microsoft said no. Doesn't explain why they said no, was the pitch poorly made/organised or did Microsoft just want to keep Halo on their platforms?

el_rezzo

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:49:21 MDT

@P_40E: Ok, let's compare and contrast shall we? Emphasis mine:

Casamassina: "Once upon a time, a very smart publisher came up with a brilliant idea. It contacted Microsoft and got the ball rolling on a very unlikely project: Halo for Nintendo DS. Needless to say, there were many egos involved and unfortunately because of some issues that I won't detail, the project was eventually cancelled."

Brian Jarrard: "This rumor has been circulating for a while and as you know we even saw some real life screens and assets this week. Ultimately it's up to Microsoft to decide if and when they take Halo to a different platform. That particular demo was in fact created and I believe it was an unsolicited pitch a long time ago but nothing ever came of it."
---

See Jarrard's qualifier "I believe"? Doesn't that suggests he doesn't know? He didn't say "It was an unsolicited pitch." To me it looks like he wasn't even in the loop.

Forgive my ignorance, but I see absolutely no disparities between these two statements.

Is Casamassina that full of shit and so untrustworthy? And is Bungie's Community & Franchise Director so trustworthy that an "I believe" = RUMOR SMASH: HALO DS UNSOLICITED PITCH/FANMAIL?

CheekMystique

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stop2 — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:45:04 MDT

That doesn't put it to rest at all. Because now that it's been confirmed as real I want the rom.

stop2

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NoBullet — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:41:15 MDT

@DELETED: Stop kidding yourself people, NIntendo would never do this and you know it.

ARe you kidding>? Have you seen the trash games theyve been approving for the DS? I'm talking about the real obscure ones no one talks about. And you think Nintendo wouldnt want Halo? Haha.

NoBullet

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P_40E — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:18:57 MDT

@CheekMystique:

The demo doesn't support his claims at all. Reread his original article about Halo DS. Now read the quote from Bungie at the top of the page. Notice how they don't quite match up? Notice how Matt C's article makes Halo DS seem much bigger than it ever was? If he had claimed from the beginning that it was an unsolicited pitch that was rejected, nobody would have cared. But claiming that there was an actual project well along in development, with approval from Microsoft? That's how his love of attention could be an issue.

P_40E

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:49:31 MDT

@PhotoBoy: How the hell is Casamassima's love of attention an issue?

He claimed he had seen a Halo DS game, at the time he didn't provide evidence (for whatever reason -- NDA, promises, etc.), but said something to the effect of "Believe me, it exists."

People refused to believe him and ridiculed him (and IGN) in absurdum. And here we are today. He is proven right.

If you don't want to blindly trust somebody's word, fine. But when evidence comes in supporting that persons claims?

I have little respect for people who refuse to (set aside their feelings for Casamassina and) acknowledge that.

This weak "fanmail" spin has the trappings of such a respect-losing instance.

CheekMystique

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Earthslide — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:47:56 MDT

Even if it is a Goldeneye patch ... release Goldeneye instead!

Earthslide

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XbhaskarX — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:57:53 MDT

There are fifty new FPS games every year, half are Halo ripoffs, what is so crucial about the game being Halo?
If it can be done, why not a similar FPS game for the DS that is NOT HALO?

XbhaskarX

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seantastic — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:55:36 MDT

Unless the cartridge is covered in lipstick kisses, digital fan fiction might be a better term than fan mail for the concept. Even then, that might imply that someone made this purely for the love of teh Haloz, and it looks to me like whoever did this expected to get paid handsomely.

seantastic

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Ashurahori — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:44:37 MDT

@PhotoBoy: I really don't get what you're saying. It might be true that this IGN guy cried wolf a couple of times, but we have evidence, straight from videos and Bungie's mouths, that this game existed. That's all we need. I mean, IT EXISTED. It was a demo, but a demo that was MADE. The amount of effort required to create a demo, usually isn't something one does accidentally, or over lunchtime. At least a few people bothered to produce this on a DS cart, and they had a game in mind. The fact that it never came to exist doesn't discount the possibility that the concept itself existed in a game cart. And was playable. And this IGN guy showed us evidence. Late evidence, but EVIDENCE nonethless. So let's stop behaving like the Baghdad information minister and AGCKNOWLEDGE what we see right before our eyes.

Ashurahori

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photoboy — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:30:02 MDT

Where are all these IGN/Assamassina fanboys coming from all of a sudden? The truth is Assamassina just loves having the inside track on upcoming games and cock teasing his readers to the limit of the NDAs he's signed. He just loves the attention he gets when he claims to have played something that he can't talk about and his readers start begging for scraps.

This Halo DS debacle wouldn't have happened if he'd had some actual evidence to begin with. Instead he just spun his usual crap so it's no wonder Kotaku didn't believe him. But then I don't believe anything IGN says considering their reviews never dip below 7/10.

photoboy

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JimElNino — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:01:44 MDT

Fan mail?

I'm almost insulted that you would try to get me to believe that.

It's by no means an 80% done game, but it was certainly not 'fan mail'. The game was in the works for sure, it just didn't make it very far.

JimElNino

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Latonone — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:01:37 MDT

@DELETED:

yes they would. but thats completely beside the point.

Latonone

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DELETED — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:46:18 MDT

Stop kidding yourself people, NIntendo would never do this and you know it.

DELETED

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NightOwl — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:38:35 MDT

Kotaku may have some historical beef with Matt C. that (in their opinion) justifies the treatment they did with this article, but I have to agree that Matt seems to have the better track record on this issue than anyone else has. Kudos to him for that. Regarding whatever he did to Kotaku's mom/sister/daughter....well I just don't know about that.

NightOwl

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Wyld — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 05:41:52 MDT

There ARE other big companies besides Bungle, you know, and it´s quite obvious that that game is not made by Bungie. Now, really, that IGN guy, or Bungie? Should I believe them? or Kotaku? err... which source is valid?

But following the logic of every single geek around the globe related to that fake or real issue, I will state this: Everthing around me, specially those on the internet, can be fake If I don´t touch it, and look by myself. Simples as that.

Lets put on wikipedia on every single article this "THIS SOURCE ISN´T VALID SINCE I DIDN´T SEE IT BY MYSELF - JOE"... I just must ASSUME that the article on wikipedia about anything is real? Or your momma?

Meh, you guys must assume that this comment doesn´t exists either. It´s probably a fake comment by some fake IGN guy trying to fakelly piss off someone who probably doesn´t exists either, if he says hello on a video on youtube, it´s probably a CG mixed with a cosplayed hired person.

It HAS been done before, so surely it´s possible, so surely it´s REAL??

I think I´ll let my brain explode now, see ya.

Wyld

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Huckleberry — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 05:16:20 MDT

Digital fan mail? Really?

Kotaku, I thought you were better than that.

Huckleberry

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Sub-D — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 05:13:23 MDT

@mrplow1817:

Not so, "little more than elaborate, digital fan mail." certainly sounds like a lot of discounting. From what Bungie are saying it seems as though the game was made (by a developer) but never got past the point of showing the game to Microsoft. To me, that sounds like the game was very much real at one point but never game to fruition - similar to the originally planned Sonic game with fish-eye view for the Sega Saturn.

Can we just leave it at, "the game existed but didn't get approved by Microsoft" instead of this sorry excuse for a lot of arse covering from those in the industry that both doubted and ridiculed IGN and Matt C?

Sub-D

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bnpederson — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 05:09:31 MDT

Much ado about nothing.

bnpederson

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mrplow1817 — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:46:41 MDT

@2811: You are completely missing the point of all this. Kotaku is not discounting the existence of this piece of software or that it was pitched to Bungie/Microsoft. Bungie has said on several occasions previously that they have been pitched Halo DS. However, just because another developer creates a demo concept doesn't make it Halo DS. For the product to be truly Halo DS, it would have to have the backing of Microsoft. If this weren't the case, any modder/homebrew programmer could just make the program and claim Halo DS is real. For example, there is a Metroid-like mod being built on the source engine. That doesn't mean that Nintendo is now making PC games. Neither does the Ocarina of Time mod for the Halo PC engine. As long as all that happened with this concept was it was shown to Bungie/Microsoft and they rejected it, Halo DS is no more legitimate than any user made mod.

mrplow1817

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CheekMystique — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:17:32 MDT

@2811: Hmm, from what little I've followed this Halo DS business, I agree with 2811.

IGN and Matt C got fucking *blasted* all up and down the net for getting/telling this story. And sticking to it. Which -- it seems -- turned out to be true.

The amount of shit Matt C and IGN got for this, only to get blasted *again* with posts like this ("proof", little more than fanmail, etc.)...

Feel compelled to shit on the story for not being anywhere near it? Sour grapes?

I like this site and I could be wrong, but from where I sit you're (Kotaku) cooking fucking weaksauce with this slant on the story.

CheekMystique

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MasterBalls — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:10:00 MDT

Hm as much as i'd like to see Halo Wii (note the sarcasm), I have a feeling that despite the fact Bungie developed Halo, it's still MS property.

If I want any company to become independant from Microsoft, it's Rare, even though Microsoft quite literally owns their asses.

MasterBalls

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El-Suave — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:04:25 MDT

If it was released as Goldeneye DS reskinned I'd be curious to see reactions of fans and the gaming press. I bet the exact same game would get much higher scores and be much more loved just because it's Halo.

El-Suave

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2811 — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:05:22 MDT

Wow, the whole internet, including Kotaku, and people still don't want to admit they got owned by Matt c. Come on people.

''proof'', lol. little more than elaborate, digital fan mail, omg. Kotaku, please, STFU, you guys got owned and still won't admit it. This proof of concept was not developed by somebody in his garage. Like Craig Harris from IGN stated, there were several studio's making a Halo DS concept to show MS. Why is this hard to believe?

Halo = cashmoney, DS game = cashmoney. Halo x DS game = cashmoney in the shape of a stairway to heaven. These articles about halo DS on kotaku are only meant to discredit Matt C. and save Kotaku's ass because they laughed at the idea of a Halo DS game.

There are people out there that want to make this happen, some of them are EA who allready had an FPS engine working on DS.

2811

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nya-chama — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:37:45 MDT

@crewwolfy:
Get Zelda then or Sonic Rush maybe O.o

nya-chama

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TDunne — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:26:18 MDT

I would like to see Microsoft change Zune to compete with the DS/PSP. The PSP is one of the best devices to come out in a while but it is plagued by lack of attention from the developers and Sony (and the DS does not have the resolution or horsepower for a killer fps app). It is a great portable media player but it does not have any killer fps games. A Halo type game on one of these portable gaming devices would be a big seller. It is too bad Microsoft does not have a device and does not want Bungie to develop for Sony/Nintendo.

TDunne

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crewwolfy — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:25:42 MDT

I'm all about seeing Halo on the DS, but there's no need to make it an FPS that could never match the console versions. Make it a turn-based strategy, a side-scroller, or a shooter (while driving the warthog or other vehicle). And make it in the Halo universe, but not starring the 117. I'd probably buy that game. My DS hasn't been turned on in months..

crewwolfy

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Zanch — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:10:27 MDT

@bernbaum:

MS already owned Halo. Bungie didn't want to be a Halo farm anymore, hence the current situation.

Zanch

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Tkat — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:47:34 MDT

its actually real I worked at a publisher that MS actually was willing to sell the lic to with a few other games.

We got all 3 and then one fine day MS pulled Halo and gave us something else

the something else came out and did pretty well in sales.

Tkat

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serotoninzero — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:44:37 MDT

@bernbaum: No no, if its not commercial, it shouldn't be a problem.

serotoninzero

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DaveKap — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:37:56 MDT

With the death of one rumor, in comes another.

My friend has Halo on his cell phone. I'm not joking either. I'll send photos to tips if he lets me.

And no, I'm really not joking... though I won't explain why he has Halo on his phone... yet. ;-)

DaveKap

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agdTinMan — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:34:16 MDT

It looked like garbage. Why did the soldiers look nothing like the MJOLNIR armor? No way that came from inside Bungie, for sure.

agdTinMan

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Black-Dog-Howls — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:30:39 MDT

@CaptainHarrison: Maybe for the Nintendo QS or SPSPS. That Nintendo Quad-Screen is really something...But the Super Playstation Portable Slim is pretty wicked in the graphics department. Almost as good as 360.

Black-Dog-Howls

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Rurik550 — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:25:31 MDT

Rumor starting:

Marathon remake for PS3
Halo Wars DS

Rurik550

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CaptainHarrison — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:04:32 MDT

Doesn't mean they won't ever make it. And if I had to guess, I'd say they one day will. It just makes sense.

CaptainHarrison

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Jthmeffy — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:52:15 MDT

@bernbaum: rom rom rom rom rom rom rom rom rom kotakuites rom

i agree with serotonin.. no major backers means we should find it and try it

Jthmeffy

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Detha — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:46:30 MDT

@sdr309: Yeah, it was probably the Rogue Agent thing. RARE, then?

Detha

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N-G-G — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:46:14 MDT

Actually Microsoft approached multiple dev teams about creating Halo DS. You'd know this if you visited a real news site, like IGN (which this whole mess originated from).

Sourcing FTW.

N-G-G

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Detha — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:45:06 MDT

Yeah, do it MS! Make the DS your handheld!

Halo for DS!

Detha

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sdr309 — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:41:20 MDT

"elaborate, digital fan mail."

Bull. When he said unsolicited he meant Bungie or Microsoft didn't ask for it to be made. A third party developer approached them with the idea of bringing it to the DS and knocked up a model. (Which happens all the time, thats why he called it a "pitch") MS said no and "nothing ever came of it". It wasn't made by a fan. Its OK. This vindicates you. You don't have to admit you were wrong. Like you said its finished.

sdr309

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TOCATL — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:32:01 MDT

@serotoninzero: If the uncut version on manhunt2 leaked to the internetz, its possible that this "demo" will follow the same road...

TOCATL

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NoBullet — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:30:37 MDT

Hopefully MS considers releasing this.

NoBullet

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bernbaum — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:28:06 MDT

@serotoninzero: Probably not the place to be talking about roms dude...

bernbaum

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bernbaum — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:27:33 MDT

@mustang: So Microsoft owns the Halo IP and not Bungie now that they've split... Interesting.

bernbaum

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serotoninzero — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:23:02 MDT

Well someone transfer the rom then if its non-commercial I can load it up on my DS as homebrew.

serotoninzero

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beem — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:06:55 MDT

It was an unsolicited fix. Much like the early build of that Ghostbusters title for the 360 by Zootfly.

beem

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Seiryuu — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:05:05 MDT

Hmm... I dont know, the DS doesn't really strike me as the most loving of homes for a multiplayer only FPS.

And Master Chief on a Nintendo platform? It would be like having Sonic and mario in the same game on a Nintendo console.. or uhm.. Crash Bandicoot whoring itself all over the.. every pla.. hmm.. Sony really needs to get a mascot...

Ah! Or like having that high resolution Helghast guy fighting the uhm.. covenant in coop.. ah I give up

Seiryuu

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

mustang — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:03:45 MDT

Probably one of the reasons Bungie broke the shackles.

Now the can come up with new IPs and make new games for the DS or whatever platform they want. But no MS IPs.
HaloDS buried.

mustang

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

BrainofJTD — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:01:56 MDT

@TOCATL:

Well, sure it would. Doesn't mean it's even conceivably possible. Not now.

BrainofJTD

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Video — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:59:44 MDT

@TOCATL: I know that, I used to play Quake 3 Arena.... those where the times.... but you understand what i mean because a game that only can be play online or lan multiplayer without bots will not sell at all...

Video

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TOCATL — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:57:51 MDT

@Video: Its posible, its been done before, quake3 in the pc was a multiplayer only game with option to use bots with AI for single player...

TOCATL

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

Video — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:54:28 MDT

@TOCATL: I believe that too Tocalt.... but when you want to play alone you can add bots in your multiplayer....

Video

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TOCATL — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:51:48 MDT

@BrainofJTD: If the game would be focused on online multiplayer only, no campaing only multiplayer,and using the full power of the ds and all the storage capacity in the ds cart, it would be a huge hit for the ds...

TOCATL

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

Padriac — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:50:11 MDT

I don't even get the controversy. Somebody put together a rough version of Halo for the DS hoping ot get dev/publishing rights. Microsoft said no. What's so hard to understand about this?

Padriac

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

BrainofJTD — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:48:04 MDT

Has anyone ever honestly bought this?

BrainofJTD

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

Video — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:45:39 MDT

Another thing... I never play Halo so do not get scare...

Video

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

Video — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:42:39 MDT

@lotkrota: well my first language is spanish so maybe i mistaken if you say so....

Video

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Dangeresque- Got temp banned and learned his lesson! (Crazy!) — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:41:30 MDT

@Dangeresque: Forgot to put a disclaimer- that statement is not necessarily fact, it's just what probably happened. An educated guess, as it were.

Dangeresque- Got temp banned and learned his lesson! (Crazy!)

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

Lot Krotan — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:41:28 MDT

@Video: did you read the article before posting? The guys from Bungie said it was real, but it never went anywhere...

Lot Krotan

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

Dangeresque- Got temp banned and learned his lesson! (Crazy!) — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:40:39 MDT

@Video: No, it ain't fake, but yes, it's a patched Goldeneye. That's what it comes down to- EA approached Microsoft with the possibility of a DS Halo, and knew they would likely be turned down, so they skimped on the money, and just made a few small changes to Goldeneye for their demo. The Warthog likely did not work at all, for instance.

Dangeresque- Got temp banned and learned his lesson! (Crazy!)

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Tcata — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:39:33 MDT

@Video: It is, and isn't.
It is real in that, it was made and pitched to MS.
It is fake in that it holds as much legitimacy as a homebrew game.

Tcata

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

bernbaum — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:38:16 MDT

Ultimately it's up to Microsoft to decide if and when they take Halo to a different platform.

Fanboys, start your engines.....

bernbaum

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

burgerdog — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:38:00 MDT

That quote doesn't read to me as it was fan created, but that it was something Bungie did and either did or thought about submitting to Nintendo. The unsolicited part being that Nintendo or MS or whoever didn't ASK the Bunge to make it...

burgerdog

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Video — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:36:39 MDT

They got the game from golden eye and patched to look like halo.

Video

Halo DS Was An "Unsolicited Pitch"

Video — Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:35:47 MDT

I still believe is fake....

Video