<![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed! - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed! - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Well my Halo 3 xbox died. It shows no video... just audio.

CedricSharan

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Maybe with an extensive price drop then i would consider... Beside. as someone already pointed out. No one likes to play a console twice...
Air Force Ones, Jordans / Jordan Shoes, Jordan Release Dates and Nike SB Shoes.

138webster

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> The problem is the GPU, not the CPU. Why did MS only change the CPU chip to 65nm, but leave the 90nm GPU chip? If it is so cost effective, then why the delay????

osxgp

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Sad thing is that I have the Halo 3 console and it does NOT have the new 65nm chip inside. It was manufactured on 8/11/2007. Ive done some mod work on it and it did not have the new heatsink. Guess it sucks to be me. Oh well.

osxgp

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> hello, I have read alot about the new Falcon Chips and I am still not sure if my Xbox 360 has one,

The manufacturing date is 2007-11-19

The team is CSON

The Lot nuber is 746

It has 203 wats

Can anyone let me know if my xbox has a falcon chip please.

StarSlayer

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> ok, so i'm trying to get an xbox with the falcon chip for my bf. i bought this holiday bundle before i knew about the chip and all the reviews say the console that comes with this bundle doesn't have the chip. then i read about the 175w and the team FDOU and on the sticker it's both the team and the 175W. Does this console miraculously have the falcon chip or am i being scammed by the evil corporation that is wal mart?

Abi91

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> my 360 arcade dated september 5th 2007 just gave me a red ring of death after 24 hours

kingme

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> The Xbox 360 platform will never reach its true potential until Bill realizes that MS is in the software/game development business - and su*k at hardware - Apple/Mac you are not Bill. The 360 needs to be designed outside MS - using something like the Nvidia chipsets and a Intel Core2 Duo CPU with Nvidia onboard GPU. Don't know who makes their chips now? IBM perhaps? Take a clue from Apple/Mac who dumped Motorola and IBM and went with Intel. The Intel Core2 Duo are the only choice at the moment for gaming - and Nvidia for GPU. Let someone like ASUS/MSI make the MBs - and stick to software and gaming development. Everyone I know is getting or building a Core2 Duo system for gaming, and using the Xbox 360 as a doorstop.

[www.nvidia.com]

Cheers...
Nate

Bamadawg

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> what about lot #732? I haven't even opened the box should I wait?

ACE02

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I bought a Falcon 360 yesterday from my local Best Buy (FDOU/734, and I checked the heatsink when I got it home).

So mark the date 10/1/07. We'll see how long it lasts.

I can't believe there are Falcon RRoD stories (yet)... I live on the west coast of the USA, and lot 734 just started popping up this week.

Also, the news about how to identify a falcon 360 was just released a couple days ago... I'm not saying they won't fail, but I think any reports this soon reek of mischief.

FlapjacksAreTasty

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> What MS Should do is the following: ALL the consoles they get back with RROD They replace them ALL With new chip and heatsinks. And put a sticker on all boxes that have new CPU / HEATSINK

SAMF2000

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Quite frankly, I sometime wonder about the "falcon RRoD" stories that are currently poping up. Are they sure they have the falcon to begin with?

Also, what proves that this RRoD Falcon isn't just a scare tactic by some diehard Xbox360 haters to begin with? I mean, it's easy to take a picture of a RRoD system, and brand it a Falcon unit.

Zantagor

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Dudemeister3: New HEATSINK, NO x-clamp...

CerberusXTX

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @zoz: for the one millionth time, it is the DVD that makes ALL the noise, I have a Nov. '06, and a JUNE '07, and the difference is clear, they made the DVD drives so damn loud by using an extremely fast Spin, reducing load times....

CerberusXTX

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @splines: The GPU needs a die shrink too does it not? I was seeing reports of it over heating also(looks at my 8800 sli heating the room). Man is it going to be a crispy winter!

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Now just put that configuration in an Elite, drop the price and you have a customer!

LVP

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @RPharazon: That depends. What's your sign?

Moonshadow101

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Is it okay if I have an August 24, 06 model?

I mean, it being exactly a year apart, that must mean it'll go through quantum changes, somehow?

Right?

RPharazon

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @SuperTurtle: man, i hope you're right. there's a few tales in this thread now that i checked back bout them still dying, and that's discouraging, i really want one of these things to be solid.

TheIrishNinja

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Unastheslayer-PSN: And does it look good so far. Oh yeah.

Jandlecack

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> This is just another reason why I MUST WIN THE HALO 3 CONTEST. If I don't I may be forced to start using the stupid "360 4 free" websites... *sigh*

FeendRendor

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @psxndc:
I read about it on the article (think it was 1up) about the guy who lost over a dozen Xbox 360s to various problems. Can't for the life of me find it now (my Google juju is weak) and this was before the extended warranty so it might have changed.

bnpederson

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @PapaBear434: Well that does make sense... I've had the RROD already, I had someone mod my unit and install an internal fan. Hopefully this will stave off any DVD problems as well.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> If this does indeed clear up the reliability problems I'll snap up a 360 the day NG2 is released. I can resist the power of Gears, and I careth not about Halo, but I need me some Ninja Gaiden.

Unastheslayer-PSN

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> hmmmm, Microsoft just sent me a brand new 360 after my launch console red-ringed a month or so ago. The manufacturing date was 09/02/07 so I wonder if it has the new chip in it. Anybody know how I could find that out, short of anything that would void my warranty?

SquirrelPhister

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I think we got a price drop and reliability in one punch, simply by the fact it's not made in sweat shops in China anymore.

Ejvid04

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @GosoVision: I remember hearing that a few revs of those things actually had fans that spun in the wrong direction, causing the console to run even hotter.

Even still, I'm on a launch 360 and have had very few lockups, although the dvd rom drive is starting to get weird. Poop. Once they fab better video chips, I'll bump up to an Elite.

Chucklestyle

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Well, is it not the gpu heat here?

Well, if any of you even bothered to look at the photo, it not a heat sink we have, its a heat pipe here. Is this also a new heat pipe added into the heat sink?

You folks do realize that a heat pipe is 1000 times more effective than a heat sink. And, you don't even have to have air flowing over the heat end.

So, I don't care if the cpu and gpu run twice as hot, we have a 1000 times the heat transfer ability with the this heat pipe. And, already have a poster here claiming that less heat comes up then his wii.

Anyway if the photo here is legitimate, it clearly shows a not only a heat sink, but also a heat pipe.

So, they can double the heat of the gpu, and cpu..and still have 500 times more cooling. Of course, they not doubled the heat output the of gpu, or cpu, so, if this is a new heat pipe, then we 1000 times more cooling ability then just using air….

This Sounds like VERY good news to me.

Super Turtle.

SuperTurtle

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> There's a new CPU... but wasn't it the GPU that was causing the overheating, not the CPU?

stop2

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Moonshadow101: Uh, why would they do that when Premiums already have HDMI?

Toasticus

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Dudemeister3:

The new heatsink is mounted differently now so there shouldn't be X clamp problems.

OGHowie

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> For me, I was getting the RRoD from my Intercooler. As soon as I took it off, it stays on.

*knock on wood*

GosoVision

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> A little too late Microsoft.. a little too late

Desertwolf

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @dogenzaka: Most likely, yes. Unless, of course, the problem is with something else, like your disc drive or whatever.

Know what would be cool? If they gave you the board with the HDMI output, but didn't put a port on the back to punish you for not buying the Elite. That'd be awesome.

Moonshadow101

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> anyone know what the lot numbers in question are? because my lot #730 seems to have the new stuff from the flashlight search.

vgfanboy

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> So this is the question.
If my 360 craps out and I send it to Microsoft, will I get the new chipset, perhaps even the HDMI port?

dogenzaka

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> My speculation has always been the heat of the console actually warps the PCB where the clamps that keep the heatsinks attached to the GPU/CPU are. Now, with that in mind, if you keep the device horizontal vs vertical, gravity will help you keep that heatsink in place. Refurbish it with better clamps and better thermal paste/glue, and it should last.

My 2 year old premium is still working fine, has only locked up once (during the Strangehold demo, which makes me think it was demo related and not box related). It's still loud, though. But that's not from fans as most people think, but actually from the optical drive.

fuzzycuffs

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @bnpederson: Out of curiosity, how do you get a new console? Mine was just sent in two weeks ago and I haven't gotten it back. Can you put in a link to MS's policy on this or is it just a friend of a friend said he did?

-p-

psxndc

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I've had the Halo Ed Xbox since release in the US and it's frozen a few times. 2-3 times in Oblivion when opening a door to loading screen, and 2 times in a row trying to load Halo 3 at the beginning (before it even gets to the main menu). Checking friend status on dashboard is really slow too, although I'm hoping that's because everyone is on live playing Halo.

OtherAdam

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Whoaness: I don't think Nintendo has ever fabricated their own CPUs. The NES used a 6502 manufactured by Ricoh, the SNES used a custom 5A22 by Ricoh, the Nintendo 64 used a MIPS processor, and the Gamecube and Wii use a custom IBM PowerPC CPU.

Doomstalk

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Sorry but even if this does lower the temperature of the xbox the x clamps under the heatsinks will still warp the board causing the RROD.

Dudemeister

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> <_<

>_>

What's Captain Falcon's favorite snack?

FALCON CHIP!

ZeroFlowne

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Soldrak:

The DVD drive is placed directly above the graphics chip. It causes havoc on both components.

Now, the red ring IS the big issue, no doubt there. But these are an issue that are almost as bad, and pretty prevalent. I think most people just get the RROD before their disk drive starts giving them any issue.

PapaBear434

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Kyle81:

As a card-carrying Sony fanboy, you have the ability to do statistical analysis using tiny, purely anecdotal samples?

What other powers do they grant you?

kNZA

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> there's already a pic and report of a falcon halo 3 red lighting.... oh how to think they would actually fix this in addition to downsizing the chip... how foolish are we.

JimmyHACK

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Kamus: People thought the new chips would make the systems more reliable and less prone to breaking, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

The new falcons aren't going to do nothing but save MS money.

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @bnpederson: "That said, if you return a RRoD console you can always request a brand new console rather than just letting them refurbish your old one."

If you do that in the US, they will tell you no. Or at least, they told me no. Several times in fact! I think in some other countries they have to give you one if you ask tho, so YMMV.

NateN

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Please bring these to the premium edition boxes asap! I don't want a green xbox!

I do like all the reports of how much quieter they are. Thats a huge bonus. My old premium was louder than my snoring wife..........and twice as much fun!
ba da bing!
;)

subnet6

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> WHOA, this is AMAZING NEWS! i'm gonna pick one up so i can overclock the living daylights out of it...
Oh wait...

You can't. whats so exciting about this anyway? this mainly benefits MS than anyone else because of cost reductions.

Sure.. it runs cooler, but guess what? it doesn't run your games faster, welcome to the world of consoles. color me unimpressed.

Kamus

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I just picked up a premium w/halo3 on Friday afternoon. It's a newer premium, cuz it has HDMI out. Mine says lot #731 on the box, made by team CSON. I've had a pretty halo-intensive weekend, with around 4-6 hours a day (all matchmaking), and no sign of any trouble.

With a disc in, it runs louder than any of my other consoles, but it's still quieter than my desktop PC. And I felt the surface of the system after each play session, and it didn't feel too hot. My Wii almost gets hotter just idling in WiiConnect24 mode. FYI my 360 is in the horizontal orientation, resting on top of my ol' faithful PS2.

teh_sideburns

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Kyle81:

i would like a source to that statement.

Dakobah

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> After having lost my 4th 360 (waiting on its return). I will take the wait and see. I hope for people new to the 360 that they have no issues with these new units. Nothing is more frustrating then constantly having to ship you console out for repair.

EDGE

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @quen: Its not just overheating that's causing RROD, I believe its a combination of a poor quality board that flexes, coupled with the heat generated by the console. I wouldn't call this overheating as the console is supposed to run at that temperature. I'd say that if they incorporated a better motherboard that doesn't flex easily (like that which comes with most PCs) then heat would not be an issue at all..

The PS3 runs pretty darn hot too (try putting your hands on the exhaust vent) but I would guess that using a better quality motherboard and better positioned drive avoids the heat issues the xbox 360 has.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> anybody know if these are in the elites already?

greenz

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @PapaBear434: How common are these other issues anyway? I would guess, not so common. The vast majority of warranty issues involve 3RL (RROD), I haven't heard of disk read errors until now (that is, if you're saying it happens a lot rather than on the rare occassion).

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I bought a 360 two weeks ago and asked for the new ones and was told they aren't available in Canada, only in the US. The only way to get the new cooler one with HDMI was to buy that fugly halo 3 edition. I went for the older/hotter/louder one. That Halo one is bunk.

SirSteve

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> If this did fix the typical red ring issue, great. However, only one of my four have gone in due to the dreaded red blinking eye. The rest have to do with the overheating of the graphics card (started artifacting,) chewing on my disks like a dog on a Frisbee, and just plain old disk read errors (like what is going on currently on box #4.)

The entire thing needs an overhaul.

PapaBear434

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I lied in that earlier post; Sony did make the Blu-ray drive, which might be considered a 'significant component' (I guess).

According to isuppli's original analysis, the Bluetooth module is also a Sony part, and so is the PSU. I wouldn't consider either of those significant. The main chips are all manufactured (and except for parts of the CPU, designed) elsewhere, as is the memory and HD.

Regardless, a simple comparison of the manufacturers shows that having a console built entirely from other people's components doesn't necessarily cause major problems. In fact, wasn't the first Xbox pretty reliable? That was built from standard components too.

So, this issue is a red herring; it's about system design or possibly manufacturing quality standards, and not about the components. 360s die because of overheating, not because Microsoft didn't make the DVD drive or the Bluetooth module.

quen

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @quen: Well since the GPU sits right beside the CPU, its not a leap of logic to think that reducing the heat on the CPU will reduce overall internal heat, making the GPU run cooler indirectly. Of course we all know the primary intention of going to 65nm is cheaper manufacturing, not solving the RROD issue so don't be surprised if this is in fact not the case.

Soldrak

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> People expected this to somehow fix the 360's problems, but it likely wont do much at all. The 360's issues are far greater than just the chips. On the official site and other places, lot of folks are still getting red rings with the new hardware

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Canada = teh awesome!

That's right I said it...

IntelSilver

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> So from some of the comments, and stories here of the dreaded RRoD, the downsize did little on the consumer end. I mean it's a little early still, but if reports are already coming in, it seems this merely reduces MS's production cost.

A-Rude-Hero

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> The only way to confirm that the CPU is 65nm is to measure the size of the die then compare it to the 90nm chip from the older 360. Since the back of the silicon is directly visible when the heatsink is removed, this is possible.

All he needs to do is take a picture from the very top of the chip, straight down. Then it can be measured relative to the size of the green package (which should not have changed in size). Then you can compare that to the old one.

Rectangle

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @tehFluffz:

Yeah maybe, but still I don't get why people think this would be the "Falcon".

Kreean

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> A friend of mine bought himself the new Halo360 yesterday.Hes had a premium 360 since launch which has never had any issues with it,but after an hour of play his new 360 got the RROD.Now i have to wait a month or so before i get the chance to buy his old one off him :(

Tom Clancy's Samuraidino

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Kreean:
Maybe they're worried people won't buy the 90nm models if the 65nm supposedly better version is out.

tehFluffz

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Wait, I thought the GPU was causing the overheats?

tehFluffz

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Whoaness: What are you on about? None of the other companies manufacture any significant part of their console. With the exception of Sony (who did a significant part of the R&D for the Cell chip), none of them were even significantly involved with any of the design work for their processors.

Let's hope this helps. Because the problems were caused by the GPU, it's not yet clear whether reducing the heat output of the CPU will help - but it certainly should take some of the stress off the cooling systems.

Incidentally there should be another way to tell whether you have a newer console without opening it up - run a specific sequence of a game while measuring the power consumption, on an old system and a new one (repeat a few times to verify). Power consumption should be significantly down, probably 10W or so?

Of course, differences in other components (DVD drive, HD) might also make slight differences in power consumption, so I'm not sure this would actually work. But overall it'd be interesting to see how much the power consumption differs between new and old models and whether this is measureable.

quen

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Umm, how does the label "CANADA" identify this new chip as a 65nm Version?
Is there any confirmation from Microsoft?
Why didn't they announce anything?

Sorry I don't get why people think this would be a 65nm Version.

Kreean

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Wait! Just the CPU has been changed? The CPU that had little to do with the overheating problem in the first place?

It's all about the GPU, thats the RRoD problem.

aden.exe

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> And I just bought an Elite two weeks ago. Fuckers!

kiigan

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> It is already confirmed, Halo edition of Xbox 360 do crash and have all childish problems as the other vers, someone at sweclockers [www.sweclockers.com] Reported that he had his crash 2 hours after he bought it...

And PS, it was never the CPU who had the problems, it was the GPU.

MugiMugi

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Whoaness:

can you explain to me how having a different cd drive creates a new stock keeping unit? it seems like someone does not know whan an SKU is

minus_273

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @versellios: verification > speculation

A-Rude-Hero

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Finally! Time to wait for them to put it in the Premium console.

V I |Z U $!

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Reliability is good, but what about the noise? Is the Halo 360 quieter? I'm really getting a bit fed up with how ridiculously loud my June '06 360 is. I played on a friend's PS3 recently and it was whisper quiet. Of course, the games were boring and I'd take my 360 any day, but the quietness... I know once you turn the volume up the noise gets drowned out, but that's not always an option for those 3AM gaming sessions. :(

zoz

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @yonderTheGreat:
You're thinking of bernbaum. It's understandable, we're both awesome dudes who so won't be banned today who post around the same time. Also we are teh sex. Oooh yeah baby.

bnpederson

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @splines: Apologies, the RSX is more than likely made by TSMC, or similar.

Nvidia don't have any fabs to speak of.

splines

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Whoaness: You do know that Sony gets the Cell from IBM and the RSX from Nvidia, right?

splines

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Hmmm... MS needs to put this on ALL models. If they do I won't hesitate to buy one right now...

Shijirou

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @bnpederson:

"No one likes paying for the same console twice, no one."

Which is why MS gets much, much applauding for the way they're handling the situation. No one need pay for the same console twice. At least, for 3 years.

Of course, that applauding is after all the booing and hissing for causing the situation in the first place... but still...

yonderTheGreat

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Congratulations to the people who paid MORE for the "halo 3 edition" when it costs Microsoft LESS to produce.

Reiji

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Removal of the heatsink reveals a new CPU with "CANADA" written on it."

So, if this one breaks we blame Canada?

Doshu

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I just got my replacement 360 back a few days ago, and I have to say that it burns just as hot as ever. Already had it lock up a few times too. No, this isn't boding well...

Hopefully Microsoft has learned their expensive and painful lesson here, and the next generation xbox will be rock-solid.

Sugoi

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Yeah it's not possible for any of them to produce their entire console, but I'm sure Sony provides the factories with many of their own internally made components since they are an electronics hardware company afterall. Nintendo and Microsoft, on the other hand, have to get all of their parts from some other company since they are software companies.

PikkonX

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> But how does it SOUND? Do you still need hearing protection and eggtrays around the console?

Waiting for confirmation on wether or not I should hold off till the 65nm gpu's are out... or just wait for the 45nm altogether.

Malmer

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> If Microsoft had rolled out their "new and improved" 360 before the Halo 3 launch, the sales figures would have turned Redmond into a giant cumstain.

Billqvist

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> [www.thebitbag.com]

They called it in August. A little late here.

versellios

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Witzbold: A mate of mine will only commit to getting a 360 if it's carrying the new thinner chips. He's hoping that Halo 3 would have spurned a spike in hardware sales, allowing for falcon-bearing 360s to work their way through the pipes a bit quicker.

bernbaum

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Whoaness:
"All of it has to be made by the console manufacturer just like Nintendo and Sony are doing."

Seriously? I mean, Sony had significant problems because they had to buy RAM at a high price initially in the production stages of the PS3 and there was an article stating that Chinese companies were expanding to meet demand on the Nintendo Wii. Nintendo/Sony certainly don't internally manufacture their whole console.

bnpederson

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> So it's JUST the Halo 3 consoles? Interesting sales pitch, but supremely lame. I'm not buying one of those damned things.

When do the new Premium-SKU consoles start shipping with the falcon chips and hdmi out? Someone on Kotaku told me they're out [i]now[/i], but I'm skeptical.

Atheist Jew

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> What should be looked at more is if the GPU is still in that boneheaded position (underneath the DVD drive).

Lord_The_Night_Knight

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> That's great! One year, and six freaking months after I bought mine. It hasn't died on me yet, but I am expecting it to. I say a prayer everytime I turn it on too. Really... I do.

FIRST!!!

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I've heard that this might not solve the problem because a lot of heat comes from the GPU (which still uses 90nm) and not the CPU. Is this true?

cyhborg

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Man, I know my 2 friends wish for these chips. Too bad you cant send the old system into MS and have them replace it.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @TheIrishNinja: GLOSS PIANO BLACK!!! /drool... Yes I think i just might have to do that one. I was thinking about adding a coat of high gloss clear coat to my Elite when I got it. But this makes much more sense. Sorry I'm really anal when it comes to my set up. If it isn't gloss black. Or Black gunmetal it just doesn't go up there. (Other then my HD Dish Network box. Those bastards haven't made a black one yet and my dad won't let me paint the thing.)

Balance_In_Life

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> It's nice that the falcon chip is out but RRoD from overheating isn't the only problem the 360 got. The entire console needs an overhaul and have fully integrated components rather than just buying components from other companies. All of it has to be made by the console manufacturer just like Nintendo and Sony are doing.

Microsoft not only has RRoD, but its DVD drive is constantly changing as well. It's like 3 actual SKUs for one announced SKU.

Whoaness

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @zlimness:
Personally I doubt they'll put it in any returned consoles. After all it'll need a whole new motherboard right? I doubt it's able to just be stuck in there and run.

That said, if you return a RRoD console you can always request a brand new console rather than just letting them refurbish your old one. It makes for a longer delivery time from what I recall but that would probably get you a falcon chip if it happened Q4 and beyond.

bnpederson

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> This person already got the 3 red lights with his Halo 360, but I'm not sure if he had the new CPU or not: [forums.gametrailers.com]
Looking at his pictures, tt also seems his was made a few days before the date mentioned above.

PikkonX

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Balance_In_Life: haha, keep on truckin' then, man.
also, if youre just hard up on the color, why not go with a premium and get one of the skins from decal girl's site? i got a sharp wii one offa there, no complaints.
check the black knight case they got:
[www.decalgirl.com],4150.htm

TheIrishNinja

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> I wonder if they will put this in units that has RROD:d with the old CPU. I mean we have a 3 year warranty and we kind of want it to not break again. Anyone have any info on this?

zlimness

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> So... Where do I get one without the crappy-green box?

MadMinstrel

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Balance_In_Life: My TV won't hit 1080p i meant.

Balance_In_Life

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @TheIrishNinja: Elite is black. Thats the only reason I want one. I won't use HDMI because my TV won't hit it anyway. Plus I ran out of HDMIs /cry... Component will hit 720p anyway, thats all I need. Damn though, I won't be able to be called a Sony fan boy at work anymore. Gonna kinda miss being the only guy backing Sony 100%. Now only 99%

Balance_In_Life

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> If this puts an end to the RRoD, I'll be on board in a New York minute. Maybe less.

Kaji

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @bernbaum:

DS Ultra Lite. Coming Christmas 2008.

I'm just kidding. But seriously

regnez

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @bernbaum:
"Give me reliability over a price drop anyday."

Both would be nice though. ;-)

bnpederson

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Balance_In_Life: Give me reliability over a price drop anyday.

No one likes paying for the same console twice, no one.

bernbaum

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Well it's one thing to have them in the system. Now we have to wait and see the results. I do believe this will alleviate the problem, or most of it at least, but not so steadfastly to jump right in. For now I'm gonna sit tight, wait, and see.

A-Rude-Hero

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> @Balance_In_Life: Seconded. seriously.
i dont know if anyone's expecting another price drop or not by the holidays - tho its possible, if sony does so first, mebbe? - but while the premium's got HDMI now, im digging the drive space of the elite. Confirm theyre in the wild, and im a paycheck or two away from joining in.

Either way, this is great news.

TheIrishNinja

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Now we wait. Elites started dying not long after release should you trust teh anecdotal intarwebs.

If the green boxen start kicking the bucket old-school, we know it's a deeper problem.

splines

]]> <![CDATA[Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed!]]> Put it in the Elite and damn you MS you might just make a sale.

Balance_In_Life

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