exo

I don't care how big your POS TV is, how great your projector is, or how great you think it looks.

Point is, the game is not the same resolution as is printed on the box and Bungie is trying to act like it's the fault of people who were smart enough to figure that out. If Bungie had simply either left the resolution off the box or printed what it actually was, THEN you could claim this is all mindless whiney bitching.

Whether you think you can tell a difference or not is not the point, the point is Bungie is staright up lying about their 1080p resolution as the box claims.

Now, I have to go play my latest game by projecting it onto the bloody moon by using an amplifier on top of the Luxor. I'm sure it's going to look just as tight as 1080p... losers.

exo

exo

LOL!!

joelface

Bob_Shinoski

Actually, get the hell out. Seriously.

We deserve to complain about something valid.
They ADVERTISED 720p and 1080p when they delivered much less. That's false advertisement. And NO it does not look great. The jaggies/artifacts and horrible splitscreen-ratio is enough to make one with an HD TV larger than 30" go crazy.

Not only that, they insulted the complainers who have a valid reason to whine, and said "it's because of lighting----fuck off" basically. If the hardware simply can't handle being at 720p and having that kind of lighting because of the limitation of DVDs, that only proves that the PS3 is headed in the right direction with Blu-Ray's space.

dogenzaka

Oh the irony.

What was that again PS3 bashers?

dogenzaka

dogenzaka

dogenzaka

dogenzaka

dogenzaka

I went to one on friday, and I was horrified at the splitscreen. Some people just didn't play because of it. It's unnecessary.
It should have been split evenly horizontally, or evenly vertically.

dogenzaka

I completely agree. I don't know about you, this is unforgivable. I personally have an SD TV, but the way Bungie handled this is just irritating.

Also, it's quite frustrating how because it's "Halo" it gets off the hook, if it were any other game, people would go "lolol don't buy it".

dogenzaka

What is unforgivable is that retched format they took for splitscreen play.

dogenzaka

I noticed it the first 20 seconds of the gameplay. And I got bashed for noticing it. Sad interweb, so sad!

EnigmaNemesis

So technically this is not a high def game... but for people with most TVs it won't be noticeable. Maybe for you big projector guys though. :-)

But people should not be mad at these "geeks" for figuring this out... The people over at that beyond3d forum were not bashing the game... They're into this stuff and they figured it out. Bungie later came clean... and with a fine response.

But to you people saying this is fine with you because you want a better frame rate...

Does this mean that Bungie has already reached the limit of what the 360 can do? If they (with all their M$ support) can't get true HD resolutions and need to make sacrifices (albeit it ones that make no real difference) then doesn't that suggest the 360 is further along in the lifecycle then MS would admit? Isn't it supposed to be a HD gaming system? (Just playing devil's advocate here!)

Fair or not... This isn't HD, it is "almost HD"... and that is probably why they were smart not to let this get loose on the world wide interweb for as long as possible. Flame bait is flame bait... it isn't up to Bungie to feed the fire.

blykmik

Neopolitian

And then they wouldn't need to address side-issues (such as disc problems) in press releases specifically focusing on something else.

Sauceinator

Your XBOX 360 (or PS3!) will never be as powerful or able to render as well as a high end PC.

Don't get me wrong, I love my consoles ( I have both 360 and PS3) but they have their specific uses and hi-rez gaming is really not a consoles specialty.

axiomatic

Fistynuts

eastx

With a decent deinterlacer (like most HDTVs have), an interlaced image really isn't all that bad. An interlaced image certainly isn't equivalent to half-resolution (which is what you seem to be implying).

Marlor

HockeyMac18

But what if you are enjoying all the fun (like myself), yet miffed at the non High Def Halo 1 and 2 videos like promised, or the true 720p/1080p like stated as well?

Oh and dont forget the "every game will have FSAA on the 360 and be 720p as a STANDARD". MSFT's words, not mine!

EnigmaNemesis

ManekiNeko

but as far as this story goes, people will pick apart anything won't they? "lets ignore how fun the game is and how beautilfully smooth it runs to argue about some pixels!"

essko

My favorite fanboy poster is back! Woot!

Halo is nice looking, but drop dead gorgeous? Thats going a bit to far. It has lots of jaggies and the textures are kinda low res. Its no where near the visual quality of Gears of War, or even Jerhico.

Further its smooth, but it doesnt look 60fps, it looks nice in motion though.
Further I guess you never got to the last level, driving the warthog, theres tears all over the place.
Further the resolution is decidedly ED, not HD. For anyone that owns a 720p/1080i/1080p TV thats glaringly obvious

And sorry, Bioshock on the 360 is a far better graphically and as far as the SP is concerned. (MP I would agree with you)

Belain

dolo54

Edge of Blade

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Edge of Blade

We don't care.

Go back to SonyDefenseForce.com. They will give you the Microsoft and Halo-hating validation that you are so disparately grasping at.

Edge of Blade

Thousandfaces

Just judge the game based on what it is, not what it claims to be.

TheToiletDuck

For people here to say this is misleading is insane, and grasping at straws. Shame on being prostitutes and trying to state that supported resolution = rendered. That is just pure bull crap that some posters are trying to make a mountain out of this. No one was pulling a fast one here.

The fact is that the game is dazzling, ..yes, graphics wise it drop dead gorgeous

Further, it incredible smooth playing. Talk about polish for a game.

Further, there is no tearing of graphics like in Heavenly Sword (another ps3 flop). And, there no lack of poor processing and frame rate drops like in Lair (Lair is a game with in house support from Sony, and proves the cell is a flop when it comes to making smooth frame rate games).

Halo is pure smooth next gen graphics.

Further, the game resolution is STILL higher then the previous gen. So, you getting a next gen game experience graphics wise, NO MATER HOW you slice and dice this.

It better then anything else right now availing.

Just wait until the developers get the hang of using the multi-core processor in the Xbox, and start utilizing more of the 3 symmetrical processors in the 360. These guys are not even scratching the potential of the 360's processing …

Super Turtle

SuperTurtle

SamuelRPGstory

"No what'll be funny to watch is all the haters burst into flames when Halo 3 is announced as GAME OF THE YEAR."

I hope Halo 3 DOES get game of the year. It will vindicate all of us who said HD isn't necessary for great games. I've said it all along. Games can look great even if they don't run at 720P and up.

subnet6

b-osiris

Reuptake

@anonim1979:No more Bold please. Remember to close your tags. If you mess up, post a respond subsequently with a post that closes the tag [/bold] but replace the ][ with ><, respectively, for example. Please clean up after your mess.

@Nickname: Bungie isn't Microsoft. They made "Rise of the Triads" and "Gnop"

onikuwagata

Although it still kinda sucks that the 360 and PS3 are claiming to be the HD systems. I still love my 360 though.

Dhighness

Upscaling is a staple of the HD era, and if you want to throw rocks, throw them at the way the 360 handles it. If you're honestly shocked that the 1080p image your setup produces wasn't native, you should've whined about it WHEN YOU NOTICED IT, before the interwaves gave you a halfassed reason to that they had to examine the frame buffer to get at. This topic, in terms of whining, is of a very small calibre, and you're doing yourselves a disservice escalating it.

If you look at a game and go "i'd buy this, but it's not 720p so fuck it" you're not a fan of video games.

Halo 3 looks like Halo 3, which is what they set out to do. They don't owe you shit beyond that, and for "a game of this magnitude" the biggest caveat they had to avoid was unstable framerates or otherwise compromised gameplay. It's a smooth and steady game that plays great and has an incredible multiplayer suite. 640p? Grow the fuck up.

Sunjammer

That's just stupid. It PLAYS awesome. It LOOKS like dogshit.

JimK

Amazing_Steve

vagrantwade

McKack

Deuce

BigManZam

Zho

freakfunk

You little crybaby bitchers! Halo 3 looks AWESOME. It looks and plays like EXACTLY what was expected of it- get over it! And to all the little flame war children or closet techies that WISH they could create one FRAME of Halo3- cut cant' - don't bash the game because you think- SOMEHOW- that it gives YOU some sort of merit!

GameChad

If you're reading this, i think it's time you did your public some good.
The fact that there's so many people that think this is a bad thing goes to show people are completley clueless these days about how hardware works.

I think you should interview developers and ask them why it would be preferable to sacrifice resolution in place of more realistic rendering effects.
I think evry developer will agree that when bandwidth is limited there's no point in going a really high def route if that's going to cost effects for which the hardware was made in the first place.
It's not like we're going back to the 480i ages, they just have to make the game as balanced as they can.
I think, in my book that Polophony Digital is a victim of people that think this way (including sony of course, since they're the ones probably making them do this.)

It'd be really cool if you could get developers to SHOW you, what can be done when bandwidth is used on graphical effects as oposed to just higher resolution.

Kamus

This is why i think that as awsome as gran turismo 5 is looking (really, hats of to PD for making a game look THAT good at 1080p when the biggest bottleneck in the PS3 is the RSX at that resolution.)
I just can't shake of the feeling, that if PD can make it look THAT good at 1080p they could've made some really amazing things at 720p.
This is what happens i guess when Sony pushes it's agenda of having "the 1080p console" on PD.

I'm sure people that have no clue how video chips work will say "but 1080p is better! ZOMG"
with out realizing what they are sacrificing, but then again people that don't even own 1080p TV's wouldn't mind having their games look truly next gen at 720p.
a Bad choice by PD, what bungie did here is what i think is going to become the norm as games become more realistic.

Kamus

Soldrak

Pornosaur

For chrissakes Subnet, going from 480p to 640p is a hell of a lot more of a leap than going from 640p to 720p. Drama queen.

Soldrak

Maybe I do need to see that sarcasm fixer upper.

sauvage

Tei-sama

Many game are packaged with 1080p (Ninja Gaiden S.) but aren't native.

Fabrice

munkah

man, can't you people be happy with having HD? I still can't justify plopping down $2000 for a HD tv...

UncleBenny

munkah

Microsoft and Bungie should expect this much of controversy, since they hyped it like this is the best game on the planet.

As for upscaling DVD player.. some player can do it better than others. If you look on some audio video forums, there are some suggestion on which player will do better scaling than the scaler on the TV. I don't know how good the scaler on XBOX360, but some upscaling DVD player just isn't worth the money. Either you buy a good upscaling DVD or let the TV do the scaling. More and more, the word upscaling DVD becoming just a marketing gimmick.
The big difference between upscaling a DVD compared to a game is that DVD is on the soft side (not soft, more like no aliasing).. if you were to upscale DVD and do some sharpening, it would look very nice. If you do the same scaling on a game (esp. without AA), then the sharpening only make the jaggies more pronounced. How about smoothing then? Well, it could produce a more smoother picture, but at the cost of more blurrier picture. That's why I'm moving to my next question...

If I'm not mistaken, the GPU architecture of the XBOX360 (I think because of the eDRAM) should allow XBOX360 to have 'free AA'. Because the problem ,by looking at the Halo 3 screenshot, is more because the lack of AA than scaling 640p to whatever it is. There is even some article that suggest that a minimum of 2xAA is mandated by Microsoft. Someone should really ask Bungie on why the game doesn't look like it using any AA. Is the performance hit really that bad? how bad is it? I don't really care about it though, just curious. If the gameplay is good than is good. Something like AA or high res graphic (esp. true 1080p) is a nice bonus. I'm one of those people that like more object/complexity on screen than adding AA or res. Sometimes I even think what those console (PS3 and XBOX360) do if they would make a game targeted at NTSC/PAL res. It would really blow the Wii in terms of graphics complexity. But as it stands now, it wouldn't happen. Both are console that targeted for HDTV, and I think they should at least look good enough on HDTV set (at least compared to a Wii on HDTV set).

Rurouni

In PAL-land, Wii games run at standard PAL resolution, i.e. 576 vertical lines.

Halo 3 has 640 vertical lines.

So, Metroid Prime 3's vertical resolution will be 90% of Halo 3's when it is released in PAL countries.

Does this mean anything? Nope. But I find it interesting.

Marlor

But now that Nintendo has made the Wii, anything under 720p is no longer HD.

Antic791

Tcata

MadMinstrel

But lets look at another piece of consumer electronics for a comparison the upscaling DVD player. Now with alot of modern TVS DLP's LCD's etc it doesnt really matter what source you put on them the tv is displaying its maximum resolution upscaling the content to make it fit the screen so why do people drop money on an upscalling dvd player. Well for most it is because it can upscale from the source that is actually a little bit higher quality. Also some tv scallers are not that good. So it allows dvds to be viewed at there best on an HD TV.

In my opinion the xbox 360 is a highly HDTV friendly system cause of its scaller it can out put all of its content at what ever resolution is needed to work the best on all the TV's on the market.

I personally dont think we are going to see all games become 1080p native content this generation quite simply it is super taxing on the hardware. The games I have seen be 1080p native really have been games like sports titles and fighters that have a more limited space the game takes place in is some cases though cleaner there seems to be less going on even simpiler polycounts in places. The exception so far to this has been Lair but it suffers some frame rate issues and I have a feeling the game could have been made even better had they saved those resourses and made it at 720p.

My PC I built about 8 months after I got my 360 came out struggles a little at 1920x1200 resolution on some content and it has alot more resourses availible to it than my 360(man I already need an upgrade I want to cry)Basically all I'm saying is it takes a fairly nice system to run 1080p res on the PC hard for a 400 dollar console to match that(I know its actually 1200 but its about as close as I can get without distorting the screen as it is 16:10 not 16:9 1920x1200 vs 1920x1080). I bet it will be next gen before 1080p is the standard across all games and then we will be wanting the next big res in HD. But I would rather have comprimises in resolution made than comprimises to gameplay(yes Wii fanboys I said it)as long as I don't have to compimise too much.

Konchu

highfloydelity

blacksamurai87

In response to DV8GODD - splitscreen becoming archaic? it's one of the main benefits of having a console. If I wanted to sit in my room in the dark with a headset on playing online I'd walk over to my desk and sit down at my PC. Is it any wonder the Wii is trouncing every other next gen console in sales.

Olmy

I'm joking, of course, but I still like the PS3 anyways.

Combinator

monkeybeach

Kermi

/agree

When they ADVERTISED all over the shitnet and back that they would be remastered in HIGH DEF, and 5.1 sound.

Well no crap 5.1 sound, the original Xbox had that, but they are NOT HD, (well maybe to Bungie's new standards that is HD, since upscaling is HD to them)... they look worse than if you put Halo 1 and 2 in the 360 and watch them.

Such a sham.

EnigmaNemesis

I bet they are not running at 720p like 07 was to get the silky 60FPS.

I put both in for comparison, and 07' looks far superior and less "blurry".

EnigmaNemesis

It is done so each split picture remains 16x9 and not 16x4 or whatever it would be.

EnigmaNemesis

NotSoCool

I'm touched.

Though I would like to say that if I were in your shoes, I'd be asking more questions along the lines of "why don't any of our (few) exclusive games look as good as Lost Planet or Gears of War?" and "why do our versions of multiplat games run like shit?".

You paid hundreds more for what has continually turned out to be an inferior experience, but Halo 3's eighty missing lines of vertical res somehow means that we're the ones being fleeced?

With all that's happened in this console war so far, you guys do NOT have a leg left to stand on, but still you keep dragging those bloody stumps up onto your little soapboxes and dare to bequeath lectures in wise consumerism to the rest of us.

The shamelessly oblivious gall of the vocal PS3 advocates is quite simply incredible.

Supine

The issue is, how do they get away with blatant false advertising of 1080p? You can upscale snes games to 1080p. That's not what the term means.

I also love buying the legendary edition to find out the "remastered" cut scenes are compressed worse than youtube.. and are just scenes someone hashed together in about 2 hours w/ adobe premiere.

triple

I'm not saying it's bad for the game, obviously, Bungie seems to have a godo reason for cutting down on the reso. WHat bothers me then is that I expect a 1080p game to run NATVIVELY in 1080P, thereby using the full resolution of my tv, and thereby offering me a nice clear and crisp picture.

It seems to me that ANY compromise in the area could and probably WILL hurt the graphical quality. So in a way it's quite misleading. The game might be just as fun to play though, but as pointed out, if HD is being touted as the next big thing and I shell out a good few thousands of euro's on a new tv and audio setup, I want to see some goddamned use for it.

Iceman B.

What the hell is wrong with you people? You can complain all you want about Bungie, but this is Microsoft people. MICROSOFT. The kings of making people upgrade their hardware. If anyone out there actually invested in a 1080p TV set and a 360 and expected Halo 3 to be your graphical showoff piece, then I have a computer to sell you that will let you get your email twice as fast but you are going to need to upgrade to Vista too :) It's Microsoft people! Not every promise turns out to be true.

All that said. Is the game fun? Yeah. Is the game worth $60? Hell yeah. It may not be as pretty as Gears or Bioshock. But man do you get a lot for your dollar here.

I've been over-promised features in gaming from before some of you were born. When I was kid my Pong controllers only went up. You had to do a cartwheel to move the paddle back down again. You kids are all a bunch of whiny bitches! Now get off my lawn!

HanSolomente

hchaudh1

I say let the cry babies cry them selves to sleep!

Runna

theprof00

RealmRPGer

vagrantwade

Jooptang

1.IS the Console HD-capable?
2.how many games do this lowest available resolution?
3.Can you really notice the difference?
4. If Halo 3, the biggest 1st party game does this, will others follow?
5. Can you guys give me examples of 60fps games and 30fs-onlu games?
6. what is upscaling and is it an HD feature?

VakeroRokero

superbabyproject

sklav

superbabyproject

eh, halo 3; greatest game ever made. case closed.

jfx316

"To everybody who's shitting their pants over this: which decision would you make?"

Why not make it amenu option? Framerate nuts can pick the low res/60fps option, and visual quality nuts can pick the high res/30fps option. Everybody's happy!

raygundan

Is it a big deal? not really, since everything else is there. Should you be happy about it? absolutely not. Think about it a bit more, people.

OmegaKulu

Bungie needed to tell everyone 6 months ago that the resolution was going to take a hit in order to bring better visuals, secure a high frame rate, and ensure that 24-hour gaming marathons wouldn't kill every 360 on the planet. Gamers would've understood and this whole mess could've been avoided.

maybe gamers should consider paying $115.55 for Halo 3 instead $130... Bungie made it painfully clear that 88% = 100% and anyone that thinks differently is a wack-job.

Excuse me while I go shine my tinfoil hat and count my toenail clippings... I usually like to do that before I flip through the extra $130 in my wallet (plus the extra $300 I've saved by not buying a 360).

draiko

[www.steelbook.com]

Spartan1308™

By the way, I know this one guy -- he's pretty handy with electronics, and I think he could fix that sarcasm detector of yours right up. Good as new, even!

:P

Toasticus

asianmacker

Rurouni

People tend to be more vocal about something when they're unhappy than when they're happy. It's unfortunate, but that's the way of the world, especially when you're looking at an audience as cynical as gamers are (generally). Sometimes being a 'creator' can feel like a thankless task because of this, but know that hard work doesn't go unappreciated. :)

Toasticus

sauvage

Secondly, there are 2 possibilities here. Either the Xbox 360 hardware is not good enough to run the game properly at 60fps at a resolution of 720p or Bungie don't have the technical skills to get it to run at that resolution, nearly 2 years into the console's lifecycle. If I was a betting man, my guess is that Bungie are technically good enough, but the Xbox 360 is definitively not up to the task at hand. Hence the short-cut/compromise the developers had to make, but cutting the native resolution down to 640p.

It will be interesting to see what resolutions and framerates Unreal Tournament 3 is able to achieve on both the Xbox 360 and PS3 when it is released in Novemeber/December.

And the tone of the reporter was unacceptable. Why should the consumer accept sub-standard software or hardware. Is he one of these guys who is happy to keep sending back his Xbox 360 every single time it breaks down. Yeah that will teach the developers and Microsoft what standard of goods we are willing to put up with.

sauvage

Doomstalk

superbabyproject

MadMinstrel

Murrytmds

Thank you! If it was 720p and a rocksteady 60fps, these idiots would still find something to complain and whine about. Bungie produced an amazing game experience but nope, some people need to bitch about something otherwise thier lives would be empty and meaningless. Oh wait. They're complaining about such a trivial matter, thier lives are already trivial and meaningless...

Ironhide-Delta

smeee

kuzuboshii

"We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet's propensity for drama where none exists."

No one even notices the resolution difference until they looked at a still screenshot. So instead of going "oh it must be in a slightly lower resolution so that it can look and play this good" they go "man I finally have something that I can really bitch about online! sweet! Never mind that it would have never noticed by just playing the game."

Same thing goes for the fucking widescreen Bioshock retards. If someone has to point something out to you for you to notice it, you don't have the right to complain about it. And you wonder why companies have stopped putting real effort into many of thier games? Why bother when all people are going to do is try to pick it apart and bitch and moan over ever little detail? Since it is going to happen regardless of how much blood, sweat, and tears you pour into a game, why not just make Madden year after year for the ungrateful little fucks? I don't blame these companies for the drivel they shove on people, because you whiny little bitches don't deserve any better.

kuzuboshii

Imagine the shitstorm if this was Sony.

Tisteldun

Anyway, if you read the news post in entirety, you'll find they end with this:

"There are teething troubles to be sure, with scratched disks, matchmaking shuffles, UI queries, Bnet hang ups and more, but rest assured we will be with you all the way to fix this stuff as and when it pops up and make sure your Halo experience is the best it can possibly be."

There you have it. They admit the launch wasn't flawless and are doing the best they can to smooth out the rough edges. My impression is that this isn't a case of a dictator telling us to shut up and eat our gruel, it's a case of a buddy telling us to relax and not take alarmist console war fodder seriously.

As for the splitscreen cropping issue: I personally found the super-wide splitscreen in Gears of War very disorienting and greatly prefer Halo 3's solution. However, I can understand that others might feel gypped, and I agree that they should have made the cropping optional for unranked or offline gaming. With ranked matches it could unbalance things slightly.

Have fun gaming, everyone.

Toasticus

As for the article, it was enjoyable to see Bungie tap-dance their way around that one. You *almost* believe after reading it that it isn't 640p :)

Oh well, it looks quite a bit better than anything on my Wii, and at least they didn't have me controlling Master Chief with motion control.

FlapjacksAreTasty

j13

Their attitude does suck and like many people have already pointed out telling their customers to chill out because they expect to get what is is written on the box is fucked up. That is the reason why they, like EA, won't ever get a dime from me.

When you look past all the hype bungie is just a mediocre game developer being caried by microsofts financial backing.

I mean for a game this highly anticipated with all this marketing hype there have been way too many fuck ups.

Halo 3 multiplayer is what saves it their matchmaking and party system is the only reason why I play it :)

Heihachi.vs.Kazuya

"In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it's practically impossible to discern the difference."

This is so wrong. If they want to tell that 640 didn't make any significant difference, than compare the upscaled 720p to a native 720p. I think someone should ask nicely to Bungie to do this kind of comparison. Although I agree with what they said that it is impossible to discern the difference, especially if someone see it from maybe about 9ft from their TV.

And yes, I think the way Bungie commented on this thing is kinda poor. They are good at explaining the technical side of this 'scandal', but the latter part isn't necessary. I think saying something like "sorry" could really help them. They should approach this in a more humble manner. After all, we are either already a customer, or could be a potential customer.

Rurouni

1. It's not 720 OR 1080. It should never have been, and NOT BE, advertised as such. Period.

2. It looks like shit. Admit it, Haloheads: the jaggies and low-res textures look freaking awful for a game of this magnitude.

3. They're right, internet drama is stupid, but they also caused it by lying about the game's resolution in the first place.

4. All of this was necessary to get that smooth netcode and keep a totally playable framerate at all times. So, it's a tradeoff. If it looked better, we'd be probably be limited to 8 player multiplayer - and then we'd all be a lot more pissed off!

JimK

Of course, this doesn't affect enjoyment of the game, but misrepresenting your product is fraudulent.

kagai

I know what you mean, Halo 3 definitely did not live up to my expectations. I just got back from playing campaign in the Flood ship, and to be honest, the characters looked really bad. I don't think the spider guys even moved their limbs while jumping, and the AI was as dumb as hell. I really could not tell the difference between Halo 2 and 3

Huxle

Vabor

Detha

Mrmoo2002

HOWEVER, Bungies pissy response to their resolution cludge makes me want to try and return the game to bestbuy. Hey bungie, we just bought 170 million dollars worth of your product, and when YOUR fans and YOUR consumers that have supported you all these years, point out that you hacked your resolution to SD/ED levels, you have the balls to talk to us like that?

Sorry I invested in a 1080p TV to play native HD games, not upscaled jaggies like a PS1. Your response to your fans and consumers, and the people that invested and "jumped in" to high def gaming is deplorable. I think you have grown a tad too big for your britches bungie... $170 million dollars too big.

Belain

The whole point of putting Halo on the 360 is to get Master Chief to finally go HD. If i wanted to play multiplayer, I could play Halo 2. But it seems MS fans don't want to see the fact that the game is flawed. Neither do the reviewers it seems. They'll mention some flaws, and still give Halo a high score.

KenshinSlayer

OmegaKulu

Much like the Bioshock "whiners", I'm glad someone pointed this out.

Genocyde

I'm not faulting Bungie for this, they obviously chose a resolution that would make for a great game-playing experience at a high framerate. But it needs to be pointed out so that when the MS/XBOX marketing goons start pointing to Halo 3 as the "ultimate in HD gaming experiences" or whatever BS double-speak they're using now, they need to be held accountable that they're comparing apples to oranges (or Halos to MGS's, as the case may be).

dougr650

"640p is such a resolution exists, cannot be played on an enhanced definition screen"

Actually, Halo 3 plays/looks just fine on an ED monitor.

subnet6

Pal

pridex

Tei-sama

The thing is, even the Wii could be displayed at 1080p. Is it really 1080p? no, but if you have a 1080p TV, than it will scale it for you. So, do you think a Wii game could put 720p/1080p on their box? Maybe... but it isn't nice.
How about those 2560x1600 LCD monitor. If I can connect my console to it (and works of course), could they label it 1600p? well, they could.. no one will care anyways... may as well put a large number :) Maybe DVD movies should start putting 1080p on their box just to know that their movies could be displayed on 1080p just fine.

As far as putting the supported resolution on the game box, it really isn't necessary. If any console game wants to put some resolution number, it better be the resolution that the game render it natively.

I don't think this is a big problem though. I just don't want to see this kind of thing become widespread and thus legitimate.
Imagine if TV manufactures start putting some 1080p number just because the TV could accept 1080p without any explanation, but in reality, it just scale it to 720p or 1080i. People that bought that TV will think that they have a 1080p TV but in reality they don't.

In the end, console gaming isn't about resolution. It never was and I hope It never will. If they could really make a game in 1080p, then sure they could boast about it. If not, then don't mention anything please.

Rurouni

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DXY!

If they're looking at it on a 1080p PROJECTION TV the difference probably IS indiscernible.

TechnoDestructo

Also, the dickish responses aren't helping, especially after the asshole mod on the Bungie forums who responded to the thread about the lack of custom game searching and XBL Public. It's like as soon as they got their money out of us, they deemed it alright to talk down to us like we're kids who should accept whatever daddy tells us, even if we know it's blatantly wrong.

Archaotic

It doesn't matter if the game looks good or plays good or sounds good or anything like that. You put inaccurate or misleading information on the box and someone's gonna call you on it. End of story. No 1080p. Not Yours.

UltraMagnus

KurtSubvert

What i'm surprised about is that no one has taken it to the next level and said "WTF it's supposed to do 1080p, it says so on the box, what's up with this 640p shit!?" I mean hell if you're going to bitch about it doing 640p and not 720p why not bitch about it not doing 1080i or 1080p either? Don't be half assed whiners! You have to be True-Whiners none of this scaled up whiner shit!

DeadPlasmaCell

sevink

I like those guys. Not THOSE guys, the answering guys.

justhesh

But I think this is overblown since I've seen people play it on a HDTV, the only negative thing is the vertical cutoff on two player co-op mode. The graphic, otherwise, seems fine.

ruibing

slacker164

DeadPlasmaCell

Spidermonkey

peteer02

SuperMaxZero