Seriously though, maybe it's time the game companies just plain give up on copy protection. It's like a flimsy lock that just keeps honest people honest, accept with copy protection it keeps paying customers from playing their payed for games.

HollywoodBob

They'll use harder to crack protection. GG asshat.

StartingAces

I don't want the creators vision fucked up for *ME* cuz some whiny ass bitch can't comprehend that Irrational's original solution to the widescreen/narrowscreen dilemna is the best idea (widescreen horizontal FOV = narrowscreen horizontal FOV... Get it? Fucking Get it? Sweet jesus people are retarded). Whiny ass FOV morons + anal copy protection do *NOT* make the fact that BioShock looks better on a DX10 PC worth it...

Sorry, but it's better on the 360. Prettier on the PC (a kickass PC) but better on the 360.

Seriously Kotaku... please confirm that the "fix" will simply be an "option" to allow people to fuck up the FOV as much as they like. Please tell us that they're going to keep the default FOV correct.

yonderTheGreat

Agreed 100%!

amatecha

Like I already said in a more recent thread here on Kotaku, what are you going to do when, 5 years (or more) from now, you want to play BioShock on your PC, after you've bought a bunch of new ones and installed the game on those, installed at your brother's house 3 years ago on some PC that no longer exists, installed on your ex-ex-ex-girlfriend's PC that no longer exists.. Oh, just give SecuROM a call and reset the activation count because you no longer have access to those machines, right? What if SecuROM is no longer in business? What if their authentication servers no longer exist?

Sure, 2K will fix the problem *for now*. But this is no gaurantee that your $60 ensures you'll have a playable game for much of a long time. I'm saying this as I just installed Riven ( a 10 year old game) on my nearly brand new machine, with no problems other than having to grab a couple QuickTime DLLs from an old version.

Somehow I feel the ability to play older games is going to leave us behind as companies bring forth more and more extreme methods of "copy protection". Ironically software pirates will never have to deal with these issues. Thanks, 2K, for making me jump through hoops to legitimately play your game while software pirates get a free ride every step of the way! ^_^

amatecha

And yeah, the analogy isn't strong, but if we must assume that the analogy takes into account that the product can be illictly duplicated and they're assuming that I am going to do so just because I can, then that paints them in another unfavorable light, doesn't it? You know what I honestly do when someone asks if they can borrow anything of mine that can be copied? One of two things:
1) if I trust them I let them borrow it and say "don't copy this. If you like it, get your own."
2) if I don't trust them I tell them, "no. Get your own."

Hmm...here's a good example. I can't own my internet access. I lease it from my cable provider. I don't like that, but they don't treat me like I'm going to abuse the lease out of hand, so I am okay with the relationship. I even defend them by not allowing others to leech off of my bandwidth. I feel they respect me as a customer so I respect them by paying my bills. If they had a policy that made me feel like a potential criminal I'd find another provider and *lease* from them. 2K is *selling* their game. So I feel doubly slighted here.

Shumina

Pretty cool they are giving that dude a new video card.

Import98

sycodude

Toasticus

matt57488

I don't buy a steak at a restaurant and expect to have to give it back after five bites. I want to eat that fucker in its entirety and turn it into Shumina-poo later. That's what I paid for.

Shumina

sycodude

The reality is that 16x9 was always the intended viewing ratio for Bioshock, but in order not to completely screw over the people with 4:3 screens they just upped the vertical viewing area instead of chopping off the sides for them.

Granted, there are a few informed complainers here and there who (mostly) understand the situation and just feel that the FOV in 16x9 is too tight. But frankly, that's a matter of taste, not a matter of fact.

The 16x9 issue is not a bug, or an oversight. It's an unwarranted shitstorm due mostly to inappropriate comparisons to the cropping of widescreen films, which your average gamer is unfortunately more familiar with than the issue at hand, which is game camera FOV.

Toasticus

iwanttobeasleep

Im buying this game to support the pc and not to become one of the 360 borg.

LEvine told joystiq.com that install limits will be raised and online verification will eventually be removed. Acutally a smart move vs pirates until the game gets old.

kornedbeefy

I ask you, is a developer not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

No, says the l33t h4x0rz, it belongs to everyone!

Toasticus

UltraMagnus

I am positive that SecuROM has made 2k a lot of money from pirates coming out to buy the game because atm they cant get it any other way.

with no (or weak) protection it might have been possible for the game to hit the scene weeks before retail ala the 360 version.

I hate copy protection too but i'm not going to boycott a game that will eventually have it removed anyway.

Zodduska

Jim on the Wall

jobble

Also the heading for this article is just about the funniest thing I have read all this.. hour. Huz. Zah.

Deletable_Man

lotario

Then again, if they were any smart, they wouldn't have put this SecuRom rootkit in the game in the first place.

They should reward the guy who cracked Bioshock by removing SecuRom and thus making it usable with a free vga card as well.

MajoShinpan

light up a cigarette she said
and calm the fuck down
you got a serious side to you
that could give the whole world a frown
now nothin' really matters to me you see
check out these holes in my gown
let your eyes lose their focus a little
let your guard come down

Spoony Bard

provoko

provoko

optimusprime

As for my $0.02, I've been playing it on the 360 the last two nights and loving every minute of it (even the frustrating ones). I personally like the viewpoint on my 44" HD DLP and don't really see what the 16:9 vs 4:3 fuss is all about.

offrampoffmap

You say you "moved on" before playing HL2 because "fixes" took too long?

Now you are going to skip Bioshock because of what? you currently can't install it 20 consecutive times?

That is like saying, and I am trying to appeal to your 16-year old brain:

"I think I will pass on making love with this super foxy babe who is ready and willing, because she has a small piece of lettuce stuck in her teeth." "Never mind that I will have a great time, and the bit of lettuce will be gone in a few moments and be forgotten, I absolutely just demand everything to be 100% perfect before I decide I am ready to bestow on this goddess my clumsy, plain-ass self."

"So, yeah, sorry Ms. Crawford, you are just like, 2 pounds too heavy for me you fatty, I am going to wait for an even better babe to come along later. (burp)"

Mega-Driven

kuthroat

Simple CD checks and serial keys are well enough, no need to push it over the edge, no need put redundant protection schemes. Legitimate buyer should not even have to worry about such things, all he need to know is to type down serial key when asked to and have a CD/DVD in drive to play. It's just a game, not some professional software that costs around kilobuck, even they don't have anything like that.

Piracy has been there for a long time yet I don't see major companies going down because of it. It's quite simple in fact: "losses from piracy" are already enrolled into the price of a retail product. That's right, legitimate consumers are paying a little more.

What publishers don't seem to understand is that they cannot win this war directly by implementing insane protection schemes. One way or another it will be cracked regardless. So why hurt the loyal customers who paid for a game and spent their money to support developers and publishers?

I hope developers will eventually release patch to remove all kind of protection from BioShock so that legitimate customers can play it without any hassle, without being worried about "proper" uninstallation and SecuROM tokens.

Also it makes me wonder: how much does such system cost? I mean they, publishers, have to pay for "protection" services like SecuROM verification servers or whatever such service is been called. Probably it's a hefty sum, so again it comes to the point when legitimate customers are supporting restricting themselves. I think it's just a wrong way to make business.

May I shoot you? Just in case, you might be a murder or become one! Reminds me of Minority Report.

Treewyrm

Down with all copy protection! Yeah! Fight the system man! Information should be free! Yaaaargh Matey!

I had a cd drive "killed" by StarForce copy protection. (on the X3 demo a while back- what a disaster) Yet, I still appreciate that companies are trying to protect their investment, and I feel shitty about all the games I pirated, I mean "evaluated", when I was poor(er). Presently, I can afford to buy the games I want to play, and I feel good about it.

The Securom issue with Bioshock made me a bit leery, but I think they handled it well, and came to a good compromise. I can install on 5 machines, simultaneously, 5 times. I think that should have 99% of people covered. I can't imagine a situation, other than piracy, where I would need more access to the product.

That said, I still think it would be best for all if there was no DRM on anything, but people just can't seem to help themselves from abusing this, and companies who invest tens of millions of dollars can't be expected to just leave their shit on the table. It is just the world we live in, get used to it.

Mega-Driven

"OMG WTF WIDESCREEN!?!?"

*ascii guy with hand to his head.*

Piratedoom

sauvage

Current gen is expensive. There is no reason to short change the customer.

S2000

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Zantagor

@fdisk: I never had any problems with Half-Life 2.

Too bad I have to suffer through SecuRom on a product I paid for while people can avoid it by downloading Bioshock on [www.mininova.org]

Heyyou27

To the people who thinks this is just whining or that it's okay, the game is worth the hassle:
Why do you think anti-monopoly laws were made? Why do you think MS extended their Xbox 360 warranty? If all consumers are as passive as you and just accept things as they are, at what state would consumer rights be today? Is standing up for what you believe in so distasteful that you have to insult other people for doing it?

Serenade

The fact is that I don't go around handing out $50 for unfinished products, products that don't deliver what they promised, or products that simply don't meet my standards.

Bioshock's problems are small in comparisson with other games, I agree; they are small flaws on an otherwise great product; but when a company fucks up the only way they fix it is with the reaction this community has had.

Don't tell me to calm the fuck down when the only reason 2K is fixing all these problems so quickly is the reaction the community had.

fdisk

Zantagor

MikeTheSpike

Vanst

I'll stick to the ripped version ty.

Kaedex

thebluick

Rekno

sten28

Sorry but that's a load of rubbish. Every major game with copy protection gets cracked in very short time. Often by the time its released. The only people genuinely affected are those who purchase the game legally.

slight

poetfox

But that new securom copyprotection is really pissing me off.
Iam a Steam user and i bought the thing from the steam shop.
Now the main issue i have with the new Securom is:
I tend to format my Windows drive VERY often and so far i didnt had to worry about deinstalling, and then to redownload/reinstall all my steam games again. (I just keep them on a different partition and right after ive installed new windows, i can access and play them again. In other words, i dont have to redownload anything)

Well, the new securom copyprotection completely scews up that flexibility of steam.
You have to deinstall the game before formating your windows drive (if you dont want to lose the "install credit") and then after installing windows, youll have to redownload that game again.
Now imagine you have 4 or more games like Bioshock purchased through steam, then each time youll have to redownload a fuckton of gigabytes before you can play those games again.
And what happens when your drive crashes, or steam craps out before you could deinstall those games properly? Right, youll lose your install credits.
Purchasing games through steam will make no sense anymore, since i would rather have such games on DVDs, so i wouldnt need to redownload the crap all over again.
That new securom thing is just ridiculous and annoying and its hurting legit customers more than the pirates.

neojam

I remember the Geforce 7800 / Half-Life 2 issues, where the game wouldn't recognize certain model video cards and would error out. People had to wait 2 weeks before they could even PLAY the game.

The game rocks, the patches will come.

Just chill out

3xch4ng3

dv8godd

Infradead

If I'm not correct, Doom 3 had similar issues because of copy protection and shipping issues. People said they were entitled to pirate it because they were getting the game a day later/it was a pain to install. When I bought Doom 3 a year after the fact, installation was cake.

Game companies are very aware of the "THIS SUCKS I'M ENTITLED TO PIRATE THIS" attitude. While actual rampant piracy is what makes those "in the know" of the copy protection world create things like SecureRom, this kind of thread might be the motivation the guys in the board room need to put it into place. All this entitlement and threat of piracy does is make it more likely that the next "likely-to-be-rampantly-pirated" game will have even tighter protection.

Saying "this will eventually be fixed" sucks, especially because so many gamers enjoy the rush of being in the first group of people to get at a game. The demo made it blatantly clear that this game is awesome (anyone know a store in Boston that has the 360 version in stock?) and this game is probably worth the hassle. It's not like the DRM makes this game into ET.

StartingAces

If one more person says that, I shall have to destroy them. It's no more a Rootkit than Windows XP is, which let's not forget, also requires activation.

Calm down, idiots.

gypsumfantastic

calmer than you are, dude

CALMER than you are, dude

rainofwalrus

hansamurai

InvaderBotGir

sauvage

i'm sympathetic for your friend simply because he has no internet. PC gaming isn't worth it at all imo unless you've got internet specfically for patches, downloadable content an multiplayer. ;P

cadekun

This DRM things run at privileged rights because run as drivers. On the NT kernel the drivers are really standalone. That much standalone, that can somethimes even run on other OS!... a NT driver is like a tiny kernel at itself.

The problem with DRM, rootkits and our computer not crashing is the danger to start a arms race. If piracy guys, and DRM guys start a war on our RAM, bad things will happend. The first move on the DRM guys will be really evil: make his drivers "invisible" on the system. And that the first move off all existing rootkits.
But making something invisible, also remove the ability for users to remove it, or know that the source of problems are there.

That type of invisibility will stay only a few hours/days, anyway. As piracy people is way faster than DRM people.

The next move for DRM and rootkits guys on the war to control our computers, is to use some crazy supervision or virtualization kungfu, and to fight over control or interrruptions, or something crazy like that. Well.. I am not a expert, but these people are, and war comes like that.

DRM is the trigger for a war. The arms race war to control our computers high-level privileged. The one that stay on top (either DRM, or some Piracy ninja code) wins. And we hare the population, the ones that will suffer that.

The thing is.. Is not needed to trigger that war. Never whas. Is not the first time that dev's tryied that approach. And whas proven bad[1]. We have learned that PC computer games run better with a CD-Key system. People that use other systems (no cd-key, or DRM) are creating problems for everybody else.

[1]: If you think copyprotections are new on PC games, you sould learn more.

Tei

And it's exactly that: a game

Once you start paying >$40 for it. The "just a game" argument doesn't really apply. This isn't like the time I bought Monopoly and the car piece was defective. (bent wheel)

Wolfkin

Agreed. I don't care about the widescreen "issue" or the slow servers or all that other crap, but I will simply not accept this bullshit copy protection. End of story.

L_K_M

While PC game piracy might not be a big issue in the U.S., it is DEVASTATING to game companies in Asia, particularly China and Korea, where games are pirated and then SOLD in quantity at dirt-cheap prices. So I can understand a PC publishers desire to limit game installs. Otherwise, every computer sold in Asia (and by some unscrupulous independents in the rest of the world) would have a copy of the game on its HDD.

bornonce

Belain

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Still, the limited install thing is pretty crappy. It means that if you have multiple hard drive failures, you're out of luck, and that isn't cool at all.

However, there may very well already be a nice crack out.

Also, the game is really freaking good. It's worth the hassle. I haven't had any stability issues, myself, aside from a few crashes when I decide to risk minimizing the game to check an IM or something like that.

Rallion

Doomstink

Eastman

RootkitRevealer will expose hidden/unreachable keys like this, as it is a trick commonly used by rootkits. In this case, though, there's nothing any more sinister than that.

Honest :)

Jakey2.0

K0MMIE

Skylance

All crap like SecuROM does is encourage otherwise legitimate buyers to wait for the crack to appear. After all, why should someone pay 2K for the privilege of owning a game which is more restrictive than a version which can be had for free?

Reviewers should dock a point for any game - no matter how good - which has such a hideous copy control scheme. It might act as an incentive to companies to think more carefully about their legitimate customers before raping them.

DrXym

Buy the 360 version:
No Limited Activation Non-Sense!
Unlimited Resale!
Able to buy it second-hand cheap!
Play it on as many 360's as you want! (since they all will be broken sooner or later)
Mod the thing and pirate it like crazy!

As for the PC Version:
Get a great lookin' coaster to set your drinks on after the activation servers go bye-bye and there is no-one left to call to bitch to!

Yep, Nothing to bitch about, move on, sell your expensive hardware and become one of us....the console borg.

upstart

Either that or you're just HUGE fans of the game...

Ethereus

Is it disappointing and worth appealing to the powers-that-be to have issues addressed? Yes.

But is it cause for homicidal rage? No (unless it's acted out in-game).

dv8godd

thresixty

I've felt this way since the demo came out, glad someone brought it to 2k's attention.

PS. I'm loving the rest of the game. I work alot, so I haven't had much play time, but I jsut fought my first big daddy last night, and man that was awesome.

3inst3in

Yeah, except that's not true. People have tried that and uninstalling it doesn't affect the number of times you can install it at all. If you were to install it twice and then uninstall it twice then you're completely boned as you can't install it again. Well, maybe when they "graciously" up it to five installs you'll be able to.

"(aside from secuROM and widescreen, which are now effectively non-issues)"

...huh? How is secuROM a non-issue? It's easily the biggest issue with the game right now. Clearly you need to check out all the pissed PC gamers over at the 2K forums.

I personally am pissed as I preordered a copy of the PC LE from Gamestop over a month before it's release and was not informed of this until after I had opened my copy and made it non-returnable. 2K won't offer any sort of refund or any real fix, so what am I supposed to do with this? I don't even know if I can trade this into Gamestop
as they'd have no way of knowing if the game had any installations left without trying to install it on a PC.

rainking187

he installs. and cant play the game he bought cause of the moronic steam activation.

game got traded in, guys lost interest in half life franchise forever.

great going valve. :)

Latonone

MrSatan

ill second that. nothing has changed. and securom is still a total fuck up and the only people getting fucked is real customers.

Latonone

dacrunch

They've upped it to 5. So what. It should be infinite. Half-Life 2 is incomparable, it could be digitally distributed for one, and for two it included no limitations such as this, instead it allowed more freedoms to the end user.

No, I will not calm the fuck down. Pirates will enjoy a hassle free gaming experience, legal users will not. That sucks. 2K obviously struggle to feel what its like to be an average customer like us.

Of course this issue will eventually fade away. Thats the saddest part, we are slowly losing any sort of rights we have. So now we can't even install the game X number of times? They still haven't addressed the issue of the uninstaller not 're-crediting' your serial. That blows, no further fucking explanation required.

Passa

-_-

BlackDove

UltraMagnus

A bug like the wide-screen being a cheap hack is unexcusable in a game put out in 2007 when one of the systems is primarily 16:9. That kind of bug should've been caught in the first day of spec testing, which I'd be surprised if it wasn't. Presumably, the issue is that it got prioritized (and not fixed), and someone assumed that people wouldn't realize it, which is obviously a stupid assumption when you are dealing with HD 360/PC gamers.

Overall, I think the big issue is now that games and gaming has gone online, developers and publishers think that it's ok to release a game with KNOWN issues and just fix them later, or if enough people complain that it becomes a PR issue. This has been a problem for a few years in the PC market, and with the current gen of consoles, I wouldn't be surprised if this nightmare spreads.

Screw patches - put out reliable games or delay the release. Be a responsible producer and put out a quality product that you can be proud of - you know, the kind of thing that every other company on the planet goes for. You don't see this kind of thing happen in any other form of entertainment, and in my opinion, this is one of the many reasons why the video game industry and video games aren't looked at in the same light.

The Gorgon's Gaze

Zyzex

Paroxysm

I agree. We have restrictions on DVDs - they're called rentals either online (limited lifespan or viewings) or off. Otherwise, if we pay full price for a DVD then we can watch it as many times in as many places as we like.
I've said this before but perhaps not on kotaku - if games developers and publishers want to use these tactics then they have to start charging rental costs instead of ownership costs. £40 a game for what is effectively a rental is not on and i guess that we're not the only two people who think that.

For all the other people who are willing to accept these measures without question you will eventually reach a feature that you do not agree with and then you will start complaining too... everyone has their limits. Will it be sooner or later?

Duoae

UltraMagnus

Buy a 360 and all these "problems" vanish.

Spilt_Milk

If the issues of FOV or SecuROM were never pointed out, would you even notice? Why do you need that extra 2 inches of screen to play the game? And why do you need the game on all 27 of your l33t PC's?

Just take a deep cleansing breath, play the game, and move on with your life.

It's not a big deal.

quiddy

A set limit on number of installations won't stop pirates. It's just a pain in the ass for legitimate consumers. What's it there for, then?

UltraMagnus

periodical

Currently my biggest issue is the damn thing is unstable as can be. I keep thinking I've found a fix, just to have it crash the next time I try to play. It is the buggiest game I've played in years.

HeadcrabzLuvU

"Supposed to" and "realistically will do" are fairly important things to consider when arguing so called "freedoms".

Nesvand

Luke, i have a great deal of respect for you but this statement is completely inaccurate...

We're going on two years now for digital distribution and we're still seing problems. Is it going to be the same when the Orange box releases? Yes, it is. Is it acceptable? No, it's not.

We're consumers and we pay our money for something in return. When we don't get that we complain. The main problem is that unlike more normal pastimes or common commodities, gaming is still very esoteric and so we complain online, in forums rather than mouthing off to our uncomprehending families and friends. This may magnify the effect but doesn't mean we shouldn't complain. Would they have upped the limit as they have done without complaint? No.

The main thing that i hate about this (i can stand servers being down etc) is that they were never transparent about the whole activation deal. Not one of the official responses detailing what is allowed and what is not has actually matched yet.

First it was 2 installs.... then 2 transferable installs.... now (in your post) it was 2 transferable installs but 3 allowable reinstalls on each of those PCs.... and now it's 5 transferable installs and 5 reinstalls...

That is seriously messed up. As a consumer i NEED to know what i'm paying my money for but as time goes on it's getting less clear because of the DRM and the publishers' and developers' lack of willingness to tell me.
If they don't sort this issue out (as it's been since before the release of HL2 that this has been going on) then PC gaming is going to die.

Why? Because you can't get a refund if you're not happy. Shops won't take games back, Steam games are non-fundable.... What kind of idiots do the games industry think PC gamers are to take that crap?

Duoae

UltraMagnus

@UltraMagnus: How gracious of 2K to allow 5 installs instead of unlimited like almost everyone else. Or you know, you could seek help for your ADD so you stop installing the game on more than 5 different computers more than 5 times without ever uninstalling them.

I have to say the only problem I came across was the game refusing to load while I had DX10 files loaded in XP. Other than that, I can't say I've had much to complain about, I guess I'm in the lucky group :p

Nesvand

Unacceptable. I mean I don't install games in multiple systems simultaneously, but the very least I'd like the peace of mind that I can install any time I want without limits. This doesn't even make sense to me. To have to verify online every time you install is one thing, but to actually have a limited installation of a software? Why? Am I comprehending the situation here correctly?

questworld

AndyboyH

And yeesh, people like to go nuts over these authentication deals with PC games. What I say it, if you're going to legally purchase and play the game, you shouldn't be upset, because if you just do it the legal way it is almost always just as easy as anything else. Occasionally there are minor difficulties, but really not much to get hissy-fitted about.

EmTeeZ

Meh. I really can't imagine playing "Civilization" or "Total War" games on a console.

Sure, it might be possible with a HDTV, but I'd much rather be sitting at a desk, with the tech-tree and/or map spread out in front of me, playing the game on a monitor that is only a few feet away, rather than sitting on a couch trying to read the text and see the tiny units on my TV.

Marlor

just cause it reads it as a rootkit doesn't mean it is one. I've had various virus scans read other scans and other programs as viruses, and tried to get me to delete them...

Think of it this way, Sony was sued already for a rootkit issue, you think they'd do the same thing so soon?

Lot Krotan

Darkest Daze

Plus, the thing updates itself to keep a blacklist of programs - without letting you know about it. Imagine my surprise one day when I couldn't play C&C3 suddenly, and it turned out that it was because SecuROM suddenly hated Process Explorer (A legitimate Sysinternals utility endorsed by Microsoft).

TetraNitroCubane

Darkest Daze

HAHA, just giving you a hard time

VenoMuS

dacrunch

Heh, as much as I am an old-school PC gamer, I have to concur. Give me a console keyboard, mouse, an anonymous-IP service to allow me to continue torrenting media, and I'd probably chuck my PC in the river without so much as a twinge of loss.

The only real lasting argument for the PC is the ability to steal/sample various media. I just can't let go of that "try before you buy" all-access pass, since there's so much shit out there as is.

Hagglegaggle

GenMan

I don't see that "this has happened before" is a worthy excuse. How gracious of 2K to allow 5 installs instead of unlimited like almost everyone else. Guess how many installs pirates will get?

UltraMagnus

People want to bitch, and that's what they do.

Lot Krotan

Could you say "man" anymore?

AnEternalEnigma

umcloud

Which is good, because I don't have time for it. Now to see how Bioshock runs on my current PC. I'm planning an upgrade soon, and I think I'm going to need it.

Mawich

-

Drake Lake: Phase Lunaire

UnJamma6096

All they do is hinder and hassle the legitimate user while the pirate always conveniently finds his way around.

AnEternalEnigma

people are madd damn!

Runna

Laughing_Gas

Damn man where to you shop you can get 8 gigs of ram for 500 dollar and
$270.00 - geforce 8800 gts the 7950 is even less? I understand keep up with tech is a bitch but that what the hardcore do.

And man come on HL2? WTF man are you a foot ball player or some thing?

Runna

Also, I installed Half-Life 2 the day it came out without any issues, while Bioshock crashed multiple times, although not frequent enough to cause much concern.

Heyyou27

My 8800GTS 640mb does the job for now (Crysis!)

Rhaedaw

Half-Life 2, but it came out 7 days later.

JustinS

@Hagglegaggle: WOW that was even hard for me to follow! I hand the crown over to you! Please hope to god you are not that guy because people will be on there way to see you!

Hey every thing looks good to me. I'll wait for the patch... metorid comes out next week any ways.

Runna

actually it's a phenomenal game with a little stumbling problem right now. if you don't want to play it that's your loss. i'm loving it on my 360 and i'm hoping the pc version gets up to snuff soon.

evilkoala

Have fun with that. Talk about complete lies and bs from 2k.
Hope it doesnt invite those hellish rings on my 360.

ASchwarzenegger

Figment

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Seriously though, shit like this (and the skyrocketing prices of computer hardware) is why I play everything on consoles these days. PC gaming just isn't worth the hassle of patching five times in as many days after the release, updating drivers, checking readmes, borked installations, burning incense and aligning my carpet fibers in the proper direction, just to get the damn game to work. Not to mention that you have to shell out several hundred (I can't wait for the inevitable "OMG U NOOB I KAN MAK OOBER GAEM PC WIT NEWEGG FOR $700!!!") every two years AT LEAST to be able to play the games at decent settings. I slapped down $400 for my 360, and it'll keep me at the bleeding edge of gaming for AT LEAST the next 2 years, if not 4. $400 doesn't even get you a top-of-the-line graphics card these days, much less more RAM, probably a new processor, and maybe even a new mobo and/or power supply as well.

I mean sure, games on PC start to look better than their console counterparts near the end of the console's lifespan, but I challenge anyone to list a PC game that looked as good as Halo 2 when it came out, beside possibly FarCry and F.E.A.R.

Now if they could just perfect RTS and MMO controls for console... That's the holy grail of console development, and, in my opinion, the death knell of PC gaming.

IceCracker

Dimipapa

Fantastic game, those of you waiting for a patch to ensure you get a "proper picture" should really just get on and play this modern classic.

Obviously there are other issues with the PC version and so PC gamers have my condolences. Bioshock was the game that made the finally switch from PC to 360 for probably everything (and I did it because I have a widescreen TV, hahaha).

Kazzahdrane

@Iron_Dragon_2.0: WOW you had to male a call like that damn! I call to intall software all the time.

@daschupa: LOL What about 3.1 and dos man! I mean really it's friggin 2007 and I can run my game with a *.bat file!

hold up why is no one complaining about multilayer? These seas are fishy man!

I havn't went out to get it yet... too much work to do!

Runna

@Kirbytheslayer: My gift to you.

Hagglegaggle

I am sad, guys.

Drake Lake: Phase Lunaire

Phiedny

The only thing at this point that could get me to buy bioshock would be the complete removal of the install system which would probably be impossible without recalling all the copies. I'm not saying no protection. Just make it like every other PC game: CD Key + CD Check. No bull**** authentication and install limits. I should never have to make an international call because I've installed my game too many times.

Iron_Dragon_2.0

daschupa

Indy_aka_Rex

ExarKun

Len Bias Cocaine Surplus

Darkest Daze

Now even I seem stupid. Thanks a lot Haggle.

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

Witzbold

TheIrishNinja

Racing F is the most wanted torrent hacker on the nets. The cops will be coming to pick you up in a few minutes.(This part may be a lie, but seriously. If you're gonna lie about your name for stuff, at least get it right)

Kirbytheslayer: In-Kirby XMB

Bigfoot

tozza

Hagglegaggle

The demo for Bioshock rocked. Hope the full game is good as well.

-nesdude

nesdude

Bioshock weekend for me, broken widescreen and all.

VOOK

VenoMuS