Purple Dave

Starcraft2008

leeny

Anyways, keep one thing in mind. Humidity affects _people_, not electronics. Computers don't have sweat glands to help cool them off, so the amount of water vapor that's in the air will have much less effect on how your computer runs than it will on how miserable you feel when you're just sitting there.

Purple Dave

sauvage

illustr8dman

But rather that than making a compressed overheating piece of defect hardware, to avoid that "zomg hueg" image.

Malmer

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

what about snes vs. genisus(spelling?)

Vecha

meh, i realized how retarded my sentence structure was with a bit of tough love.

I was trying to agree with those cats but with my sentence structure from one of the first posts it got all fucking out of whack.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

In any case, it makes sense that the system can withstand low temps; semiconductors work swimmingly at low temps, if I recall. However, at hot temps, that's a pretty neat feat. My desktop computers stuttered quite a bit in the hot conditions in my old apartment, where the outside temp was in the 90s, and inside, because the landlord didn't want to fix the air con, reached much higher.

onikuwagata

Insomnia Bob

cool

BigChiefSmokem

Don't misconstrue what i said there. I'm not saying the reason for defective units is the amount bought. Thats microsofts fault for shitty production at fault.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

What I meant to say was the failure rate of 360s while we don't really know the exact number, we will have many many more defective units pop up as the units get sold. Hence, the reason why we have MORE defective units returned for the 360 than the ps3, numbers wise....is due to a higher volume of units being sold.

Does this clarify the retard moment? Certainly does for me.

Its all just guessing guys. Read the words I used in the sentences with the numbers, and the fact that I used question marks. I forget sometimes that the internet isn't the best place to come across and try to have a discussion due to the lack of a way to convey real emotions.

Here, the supposed 30%+ failure rate.[gizmodo.com]
Yeah, I suppose you are right though,can't have any real number crunching till microsoft themselves say something. However much like sony, they refuse to admit they were wrong about something.

I heard the 12 mill or so number somewhere. I wasn't sure which it was though. Owned or shipped. Guess that random guessing didn't really work to my advantage for the disscussion.

this settle some of the discussion?

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

Bravo sony!

Vecha

The only things we have to go on is how "squeaky the wheel is". The 360 is by far, hands down, without a doubt, the loudest squeaking wheel on the video game market. I know I've heard personally countless amounts of media, community posts, and immediate friends and family complaining about 360 issues. Though, on the other hand I could count the amount of PS3 complaints I've heard overall from anyone- anywhere on one hand.

Thats how I know you have no facts. Because they don't add up. But I'd love to be proven wrong- if you can supply us with some actual proof of some numbers that do add up.

The US loves Halo with a passion. They have no desire to see the 360 fail. They just want their 360's to work. But Microsoft is producing an unsatisfactory product with great games that people seriously want to play. But because of poor hardware choices the 360 can't deliver. But only after they've gotten the money from everyones pockets. That pisses people off. Hard. And that's why the wheel is squeaking so loudly. And thats how we know the 360 is a seriously flawed product. (At least for now.)

When we get the same situation out of the PS3 or the Wii- I'll agree with you. But they're both far, far from it right now.

-Niric

Niric

You've been lucky, others haven't. In fact, I've personally had problems with most Sony products, but not the PS systems (PSP aside).

So really, everyone's glad that the PS3 is well designed to withstand wear and tear compared to its predecessors.

SG79

Phenom88

Here's what you said:

Only reason we have more customers coming in with busted xbox360s is because we have more xbox360s sold than the ps3. Yes much higher rate of failure for the 360. And a much higher volume that were sold too.

Flawed logic and paragraph, so work on that if you have a short fuse and don't like to be argued with or corrected. Check your facts too, because the current SHIPPED 360 units worldwide is about 11 million. The 33% is the defect rate of sell through, not shipped, clear as daylight (not an entirely accurate figure since it was based on a EB/Gamestop store poll). Not sure why you went on explaining what it meant given what I said. So chill out big guy.

SG79

essko

Your "facts" are factually flawed. That's why everyone gives you a hard time.

PapaBear434

Karmax

my rumble controllers are the only thing that ever gave me troubles.. sometimes when the rumble is turned on, the game acts all fucked up, like every button is being pressed at once. but if i turn off the rumble the game works fine.

but thats the controllers, not the console.

joelface

VakeroRokero

Now people are just trolling to piss me off.

The number of defective units reported is determined by the number of units sold. Not the number of defective units can be determined immediatly by throwing a random number around saying 33% of ALL xboxs are defective.

33% is the number of defective units reported/returned/repaired. Thats 33% of the units that have been sold and returned to people. Not the number of xboxs in the world.

What is it, like 12 million-13 million xbox 360s in the world that are owned? maybe 20 million total?

Out of the 12-13 million 33% have been reported as defective. not 33% of the 20 million. Out of the 20 million it'd be more like 10-15% failure rate.

does that make any sense to you?

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

A major store like BB is mailing out 360 units instead of the standard exchange if you have an extended warranty. They certainly wouldn't be influenced by online hype or care for it. That alongside MS's own admission that the hardware has problems, and the extended 3 year warranty (that cost them $1.1 billion).

With that said, you actually still think that the main reason that there are 360 defects is because of the volume sold? If that were the case, we'd be hearing about Wii and PS3 hardware failures in Japan. Even with the low install base, the 360 defects are common.

The console is poorly designed (not spec wise of course), and it's been apparent for a while now. Changes are coming about, albeit slowly.

I've yet to hear problems about the Wii. And two problems with the PS3, both of which have been firmware brick incidents.

SG79

The system software, though... remote play? Doesn't work. Streaming media from my PC to PS3? Barely works. Playstation Store? Works 99% of the time with a few errors.

Xbox 360? Just works (when it works, that is). I've got a Good Enough Xbox 360... that is, if it red rings me, it's only at boot before the logo comes up, and a simple reset of the box clears it. I think it's the connection between my hard drive and console... but who knows.

Anyways, they're both great systems. If someone was to pick one or the other, I'd say 360, though, due to the fact that the OS is simple to use and it works with Windows PCs very well.

redgopher

Eru

Ugh

Whatever man. I'm not at ALL denying that there is an issue with the xbox 360s. If thats what you're trying to pressure me into saying.....I never even denied that the xbox had problems.

I said that the 360, wii and ps3 have had issues.

Of course the number of fucked up returned/repaired ps3s won't be the exact same as the amount of busted fucked up xbox 360s because there isn't as many ps3s out in the consumers hands.

whatever dude. take what you want from these thoughts and selectively read yourself.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

-Niric

Niric

Not just returned to a store, returned to Microsoft for replacement. Where did you come to the conclusion that I was only referring to store returns? I never even used the word store in my entire post once. For any reason.

You're selectively reading.

-Niric

Niric

Tanod

Cell towers - old man cares not about them - yet we still get cell signal when it's well below zero.

Radars - running in artic conditions - well beyond well below zero.

Satellites in orbit...uh...it's really cold up there, yet AMAZINGLY enough we still seem to get all those signals received and transmitted.
I could gon, but I'd just be an ass if I did.
Bottom line is electronics are subjected to colder environs and operate in them n a regular basis. Just an FYI. Of course temp affects performance, but typically colder temps = more efficient operation.

Back OT, I think this is really great news...colour me impressed with the heat tests. And no, I haven't heard anything on PS3 failures - good job Sony, THAT is impressive.

sadkermit - soon to be banned for standing up to the ummm nazi.

I've sent my fucking 360 back twice before I got another one.

So some are being returned as defective without customers pulling the consoles out of the box?

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

ZombiePuppy

Yet every time Kotaku posts something about 360 of any kind people step forward and say... 'Yeah- I'm on my 3rd.' And 'Yup- I'm on my 2nd. Or even, I'm on my 7th'. And we still hear people say this stuff. And how long has the 360 been out for? Its simply unbelievable.

Now compare that to how many of those type of comments you see in this or any PS3 topic about PS3 related issues. I personally haven't seen a single one. I'm sure I've missed some. But even then there is a huge difference between those to things in a customer service standpoint.

As I explained in an earlier post: People only complain when there is a problem. If there is no problem- you practically never hear a thing from anyone.

But when you hear several people get a game system that needs to be returned 2 or 3 times- yeah... Thats just bad luck. But if you have just one person (like Brian Ashcraft of Kotaku) that has had to return 8-9? It's no longer a question of bad luck- thats a serious product quality issue.

-Niric

Niric

There are always going to be issolated cases where you get a bad unit. Sometimes you get a broke egg, even if you handle it with kid gloves.

Call me when PS3's failure rate is over 30%.

PapaBear434

HarrisonHopkins

JAC83

downinlow

justhesh

-WPack911

WPack911

Wait, there's one explanation: Halo keeps me hooked now matter how awful the hardware is. There we go, that's it. :)

augie_doggy

SuperMaxZero

Ecks

I swear, I almost died laughing when i saw your post. +100

bubuli

@MajoShinpan: Two words. Killzone 2.

LordMaim

Yeebles

DrunkenTrom

*Plug in*
*RROD*
The friction in the air while taking it out must've overheated it."

Nice one...lol
On the article at hand...Another reason to justify my purchase...Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside :)

TheApprentice

markusdragon

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

Can you even name a dozen and a half exclusives that interest you that will come out before christmas?

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

Wow, I have NEVER heard of any of these issues you speak of.

Perhaps you were writing a story of an alternate dimension where the PS3 and Wii are just as defective as the 360. Or it was a dream. That could be it.

/still waiting on 360 #4

PapaBear434

What are you guys going to say when that is no longer an issue? Like, say, buy this Christmas when there are about a dozen and a half exclusives out for it?

Let me guess: "None of those games interest me. Meh to them."

PapaBear434

Dimipapa

Easy fix is to buy some LCD cleaner. It has anti-static stuff right in it.

Clean it with that, take a dryer sheet and just gently brush it on the surface (just enough to get the powder from the sheet on the surface of the PS3.)

Then just use another sprits of LCD cleaner, and you won't have to dust it for two weeks.

PapaBear434

TehFluffz- Yea.... I remember the first update for the wii brickin assloads of the system but because nintendo is a good company and actually owns up to its fuckups(for the most part. i still say the wii is just a gcn.)

I also remember hearing about the ps3s blueray drive destroying discs. The system has its fair share of problems. but none are as wide spread as the 360s. Due to the sheer volume of the 360s being in the wild is one reason why you hear more about it than the ps3 issues.

And no, I dont have a ps3. I'm waiting till november-december to see what goes down with the games. (I'm still pissed about no anti aliasing though.)

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

Still- in a technical comparative hardware stance the PS3 is a much better deal than the Xbox 360's top of the line model. Even at $600 with a 80GB HDD, and a copy of Motorstorm. And didn't they explain that the home button didn't really change. Its just an effect they added to the box art?

-Niric

Niric

Kyle81

It can play a number of different media but it can't protect my life? No deal.

Do Kesubei

tehFluffz

You should call SONY about it, and tell them what kind of TV/monitor you're using. Some TVs like the Westinghouse models have a flaw in HDCP, and just need a firmware update. HDTVs -- buyer beware. ^^

@manjikengo:

At long as consumers take it, why should Microsoft bother to fix anything? They got out of doing a recall, and people lined up around the block to buy new consoles with the same defect. I would've liked to have seen a recall just to send a message to other Consumer Electronics (CE) companies in the future. Now down the road they'll give the opposite example. I'm sure people will crowd around for the next big console release regardless.

Mongoosekun

Dude, don't twist my words. I was talking about the area I was in and how many ps3s were sold that didn't go right to ebay.

About 40 percent of both systems have been defective. Having 40 percent of about 100 xbox 360s sold being defective is of course bad, but when you look at say 20 percent of about 30 ps3s sold being defective is just as bad.

(The numbers are just an example.)

I know what you're talking about with the percentages of 360 failures and I agree. It's lame and stupid. Microsoft should have done something earlier before the consoles release to ensure the quality and that they would not be losing money.

But the ps3 has a failure rate too. It, like so many people have said, is not made of god.
Sony is losing much more money than they should be with the ps3 just by producing them.

I personally don't understand the move they are making going with the 80 gb system. Must be some japanese business marketing that isn't gunna work in the states. The exact same system but with 20 more gb space ,no hardware emulation, shiney new pshome button color and motorstorm. (why didn't they just market their own hard drives like microsoft is doing rather than making an entire new sku.)

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

So you want to insult it based on a hypothetical that would kill almost any heavy consumer electronic?

Seriously, try dropping any non-cartridge based console from three feet and it would likely have trouble functioning.

PapaBear434

The bad news: What games?

HarrisonHopkins

Nothing will ever change that and at least the failsafe in the PS3 work s the Xbox360 tends to overheat and kill itself rather than shut itself off.

Vietone

Veltis

Pound my tom-tom

Also gloss black with a chrome logo rules. ^^

Mongoosekun

justhesh

It is good that my system isn't overheating and freezing up on 1 game only. I took a pic of the insides of my new 360. I got the new heatsink so......my question is.why the fuck was this not part of the 360s release up until about march 2007?

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

Zing zing! Always a good fanboy around to put sony down. Thanks for putting those commie bastards in their place with all that propaganda that no other company every uses because companies like nintendo and microsoft are all perfect and never do anything wrong never ever ever!

To whoever said the only reason that there are more customers bringing in broken xbox's is because it's sold many more... it's all about %, and the % failure rate for xbox 360 is very high... much higher than it should be. Hopefully the new 360s will fix that problem.

Mpalm

If you have to point out how well it works- then it has problems. If you don't hear anything about anything- it works great.

-Niric

Niric

DrunkenTrom

At least we know the fan system is working great. vacuums the entire rooms dust supply into it. lol. Wouldn't be a good thing though- if it couldn't handle it- but it seems to hold up just fine.

-Niric

Niric

tehFluffz

I wish MS could have done this. I still have my day 1 Xbox and love that brick. I've been through 5 360's now and have pretty much given up on the whole 360 experience.

Dark_Cheetah

I assume besides the obvious piracy defense- the feed drive probably helps reduce the possibility of that happening as easily as it did back on the PS2.

At least- in theory it sounds like a good thing. So lets hope so.

This testing only reminds me how much I want to add a 360 to my collection. But I just can't do it knowing there's such a low chance of it holding up for more than a few months. My Brother threw in the towel at 28 days before it was too late for a return... I'd really love to pick up Halo 3 when it comes out. I want to see them test the new low heat model CPU 360 this way. I'm curious how it will hold up. I only need some convicing that it will last a couple of years and I'm sold. Otherwise I don't want to mess with shipping stuff back and forth while I've got a copy of Halo 3 sitting there just waiting to be played.

-Niric

Niric

I myself had mine work for 3 months, than it started scratching disks, got it fixed, than it RROD'd, seeing as I'm just no the kind of person who takes up with that shit, I had it fixed (which since I'm not in the US, is much more of a bitch than for you) and sold it.

About the number of fanboys - I'm pretty sure PS2 fanboys aren't defending the PS3 just as XBOX fanboys aren't defending the Xbox360.

It doesn't matter how hot it is outside, I mean, if every time I want to turn on the 360 I have to check out the weather channel than screw that.

tehFluffz

keyransolo

Spelling the word through "thru" in an article is inexcusable.

Cyber

homernoy

DragonKnight

dolo54

You sir, fail for not reading.

I did say NEARLY unbreakable. Yes, I did slip that in. I'm not about to make such a bold, idiotic statement that its entirely unbreakable.

Taste my last post again. Can't taste the difference? That's because it's Diet Fanboy. Only half the calories.

Tyber_Zann

AEV

Noks415

In terms of a sledgehammer, fair game.

Papa Midnight

IT'S NOT UNBREAKABLE. Holy shit.

It still works after being in extreme temps. How does that make a system unbreakable?!

smashmyps3.com ring any bells?

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

If the PS3 still lives after all that. Then im glad a bought one. You are making it sound like the really is indestructible, but i dont think you were aiming for that. where you?

Noks415

Sony themselves has already tried to kill it aplenty, by making it ludicrously overpriced (especially in Europe and Australia), the compulsory Betamax 2.0 crap, making the Cell a pain in the ass to program for, crippling it by removing the Emotion Engine, spouting braindead PR propaganda again and again...
Yet it still lives (not by much though).

MajoShinpan

The PS3 is the goddamned Terminator. I'm gonna mod mine so that it spurts out a random Schwarzenegger quote every time it turns on.

Nothing better than a nearly unbreakable game system yelling "RUN! GET TO THE CHOPPPAHHHHH!" at you.

Tyber_Zann

-

Dogswithguns

to anyone who thinks that the ps3 is infallible: I love sony products as much as the next person, but lets be reasonable. everything brakes for one reason or another.

jerrt

Although the temperature would certainly suggest steam room (which feels much hotter with all the humidity), rather than a real sauna which would (well, *should*) average around 160 to 180 and perhaps even reach 200 degrees Fahrenheit.

Melting_snowman

Balance_In_Life

Phlycheez

You're delirious... Nothing I said is trolling brotha. If they did this with a 360, it would be just as stupid.

Cellien

Kokuryukai

Belain

To both of your comments. I'm saying I've seen my fair share of issues with the ps3 and xbox 360.(Also, I'm sure there are more Sony PS2 fanboys than xbox and xbox 360 fanboys. I was one of them.)

Only reason we have more customers coming in with busted xbox360s is because we have more xbox360s sold than the ps3. Yes much higher rate of failure for the 360. And a much higher volume that were sold too.

One thing that's hilarious is when customers try trading in xbox360s that have 3 lights of doom claiming the system worked 5 minutes ago.

"Yo man this worked 5 minutes ago"
"But it's not working now, and why is the system itself so hot? Did you leave it in your car for the past 2 days?"

Just to give some backstory, at that time it had been over 100 degrees every day for the past 4 days at the time.

Seriously though. This new Xbox 360 I got is running much much cooler than the previous one I had. new heatsinks must be working.

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

crewwolfy

Mister Adequate

lordofsword

I gotta say, I had a PS2, and sold it after less than a year because I needed cash and the DRE thing drove me up the wall. I bought a second one about 6 months later and I abused the hell out of it. Left it on for weeks at a time, didn't dust it, dropped it, knocked it over, stepped on it a few times, and...

The only bad thing that ever happened to it was that after stepping on it once, aftermarket AV plugs wouldn't sit well in it. The stock one would, though.

Sold it to a friend after getting the PS3 and it's still going strong after nearly 6 years of abuse.

Sony doesn't get it right all the time, but, man, when they get it right, they get it RIGHT.

I still find this funny because when I went to rent a game for it one time, I got a diatribe from the tool behind the counter about how unreliable the PS3s were, and that he had a cousin that worked at a Best Buy and had "50 returned a day from overheating". Tool.

Evil J

tehFluffz

*Plug in*
*RROD*
The friction in the air while taking it out must've overheated it.

tehFluffz

Actually there was a story about three months ago where this guy dropped his PS3 down the stairs. Now I don't know what what material the floor was made out of, but he did say the case was ruined.

Through all that, he said it still worked.

(This was a thread on the PSU forums)

womfalcs3

velvet396

Balance_In_Life

KaneRobot

xpnet

RTYPE1124

Lachoy

t7bros

Iberianpower

dv8godd

7ucky

Cellien

TitillatedOcelot

Scuba Steve

daschupa

You don't remember the black screen of death, do you? It didn't affect many XBoxes, but it was something to be wary about when buying them. A friend of mine's box died shortly after getting it, but this bug was fixed pretty early after the first boxes went out, unlike the 360.

denki

Cuz I don't think it will still be firing after that!

The AK-47 does you know.

wait, this is the Guns-n-Ammo forum isn't it?

Kamizzle

Islandkiwi

lol hope you got some asbestos on for that comment

Snukadaman_

EmeraldDragon

my ps2, no more than a month from the purchase date started being unable to read the blueback and the old psx games.

It's not that I hate the ps3. I just hate how people are claiming it to be the best thing since sliced bread (I REALLY want Warhawk.)

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

I just hope these new hardware improvements for the Xbox 360 (especially the extra heat sink) help bring the Xbox 360 failure rate to something acceptable. It is really disappointing to see these hardware problems prevent so many people from buying an Xbox 360 and playing the great games.

FelixLighter

I guess not, the TV would melt before you could find a power outlet. :D

(just a joke guys, please don´t ban me :P)

re-online

TitillatedOcelot

Shadowmist

Lanky Bugger

I'd let her eat me.

VileMethoD

I'd be more interested in seeing how well the new hardware Xbox 360s survive with the added heatsink and the newer, smaller chips.

Lanky Bugger

wanttobelikelee

namegoeshere

TOCATL

1) I work in a rental store, and a customer came in recently to let me know that their PS3, not 24 hours old, was fried by a rental copy of Project 8. When they called Sony, they were told it was a known issue with the game. So even though it's a system with an unbelievably better level of reliability than the 360, it's not quite infallible.

2) Nearly died laughing when I saw the pic you chose for this article. I used the same one for a zombie expose on my site not too long ago: [fjetsam.com]

jimmycanuck

ManjiKengo reads DuneTiger reads Kotaku, seems pleased.

ShaggyB

:)

Pixelantes Anonymous

Maybe they should've built a Chevy instead?

Terinije

4 vids on deconstruction

Truepatriot

ARPRINCE

asianmacker

I was shitting myself! I thought it would be no good, the case had parted where all the buttons are (Eject disc, power button) and a little chip out of the front of the machine. I plugged it in asap, and see if it worked (I had to hold the console together while i pushed the power button) and it did! A few minutes later after studying the case i realised it just clicked together, so i just lined it up, pushed down and it's as good as new! Excluding the chipped corner... it's like when someone rips the logo off your mercedes or something...

Deano85

superbabyproject

rcarydon

cadekun

Dead Air ummm Dead Air

skuddington

TitillatedOcelot

as far as the hardware tests go, i'm sure the 360 would probably fare better if it was a good design, but with an admitted design flaw its just not a fair comparison. When you have to wrap your console up in 3 towels to fix a design flaw something is wrong.

with that said i can't wait to start seeing some info on 65nm stuff and the failure rates, if its <5% i'll be getting one but this 100% eventually and realistically 66% is just stupid to spend $400 on.

landu13

hvnlysoldr

deaftly

Still, good to know mine will still work when some games finally come out for it! :)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

doubtful