They've done it once. All of their previous consoles have either been the most powerful or second most powerful. Learn the facts before you spout off ignorance.

LORDofDANCE

SK

ghibli303

They don't supply the boxes anymore, so I had to find something on my own.

You see, I bought a MacBook Pro in February... and the 360 is about the same size, just fatter... but the box is perfect, and the irony exquisite, so Microsoft will get my broken Xbox in a box with a big black Apple logo on it.

TheBard

The Wii is supposedly just about as powerful as the original XBOX. Exept that it's 8 times smaller. For a company to make a console and get as much power into it as another that is 8 times its size, is hardly what I consider releasing 4 year old tech. I'd like to see Microsoft or Sony try to make a console as small as the Wii and make it more powerful. More so in this generation than probably any other, all 3 consoles are the latest tech in their respective strengths. And for the Wii, one of those strengths, is its size.

No_Shame_To_My_Game

well thats because nintendo has a habit of releasing 4 year old tech...

battlemaus

YoRone22

I can't believe I'm defending Microsoft here (I ditched my 360 months ago), but you people are insane.

1. MS does not have a 3 year warranty to "keep from getting sued". The legal obligation of MS is the same no matter how long the warranty period is. Toyotas have a 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty ... are they worried about "getting sued" too?

2. What sort of "compensation" would you expect to get from a company that sold you a car with a design defect? One Million Dollars? A yacht? Here's the real-world answer for you -- not much. If you have a car with a defect, you will only get it repaired for free *if* the car company admitted it had a defect. Let's take Toyota again... since they sell a lot of cars, they have defects as well. They NEVER admit they have a defect, and therefore getting "compensation" is not possible.

Sometimes I feel Americans live in this fantasy world where hiring a lawyer will somehow solve all their problems.

Your lawyer would charge you more for two hours of his time than it would cost to buy a new 360.

FlapjacksAreTasty

Please cite a reference for the "30% or more" failure rate you seem so fond of proclaiming.

Weren't you also the one who initially state the "Forever Blue" software that was locking up Wiis was built by an American company (which it wasn't).

I don't believe in the stereotype that all Japanese are xenophobic and anti-american, but you aren't helping things.

FlapjacksAreTasty

I bought a warranty from MS directly, at launch, w/o ever knowing what kind of problems the system would have. Glad I did. Even though M$ nullified it buy giving a 3 year for FREE which for me is additonal extension for no charge. Should I be refunded? Probably. Should MS have a less faulty product? Hell yeah!

I'm not being bent over, I covered my ass from the get go. (there's a quote for ya, lol)

@Kyle81: I was too busy playing my Dreamcast. You can't deny internet growth since that time, and it's becoming even MORE mainstream with additional broadband penetration. If sure those spats were fun also. ;)

SAKY

I hear you. I have been feeling the same way you have. I think you nailed it. Your questions to ask yourself are excellent. I don't think people sometimes realize that when things like this happen their reactions set the trend. If they accept it and even defend the offending company (especially when the company is only proactive to reduce fiancial liability), then how is that going to make them try that much harder next time. I mean the only reason we have a 3 year warranty is to keep you from sueing them. I think this is outragous. If your car had a design defect where you went without a car and had to buy another or rent one, you would demand some sort of compensation.

battousai2k

UK Resistance is funny.

LORDofDANCE

Uh, how soon we forget.

[news.bbc.co.uk]

[www.ukresistance.co.uk]

[www.cpsc.gov]

[www.dpreview.com]

News Alert: It's not just Microsoft. Nintendo seems to be the only company capable of high quality manufacturing.

LORDofDANCE

.

thing is i dont get them any more (the lights), now my system just freezes up randomly, but within a 10-15min span.

guy says the problem (3 red lights) is linked to connecting the consol to a surge supressor seeing as the consol has 1 built in

VenoMuS

They just had to realign all the defective lens for them to remove the disc reading error, and it took Sony exactly 3 days and the problem was solve since then, and if that happen again now I know what to do and it take 5 minutes, I wont lose my console for a month.

Veltis

TheOtherBarber

Random J

AnEternalEnigma

M$ should get rid of the RROD and introduce the BROD in their "falcon" Xbox 2.3

devilhunterx

Witzbold

ajacy

Justcrim

I live in the hope that all content becomes free after a while.

SamuelRPGstory

My SNES turned yellow and I got no support at all.

Jooptang

However, since I'm not living in the US, I suppose I'll box it up and take it back to EB. This was one console I definitely wanted the in-store replacement warranty on.

I can't stay angry though, because there's a whole bunch of awesome looking games arriving soon. As long as I have a console to play them on, I'm not going to give up. This time the 3 year warranty kicks in, I believe.

splines

If true its not worth 600$. I would feel really bad knowing that my product is going to fail even if I have 3 year backup of RROD. At this point it seems as if the product failure rate is actually over 80%. Im serious its just that ridiculous.People rant about it everyday some owners just push it off as a average type of thing Of course you have people saying " oh mine is still 1 year running and no problems at all" But think about it IT WILL HAPPEN. You're PS3 will fail and the thing is you don't know when its going to happen be it from extra heat this summer or just those days your play for a long time....... the design is flaw Its going to happen in 3 years no matter what. At this point buying a PS3 and not getting RROD for 5 years is actually RARE.

Back to 360 point of view you guys really need to look at who you're supporting here you guys really need to get back at MS (sue hehe so evil) or just don't buy there product

PS using PS3 as the replacement for 360 seems appropriate since it just the idea of what you are paying for.

SolidSnizzle

evilkoala

Kemuri

silentbob343

okenny_unbanned

$orry :( I didn't mean to make anyone look bad :( ...not even m$ or SONY PLAYSTATION 3 : Play Beyond!

okenny_unbanned

So again I ask you for your source.

baberg

One of the defects? It's either 3-Rings, or disc scratching, which you should find out before the end of your free one year warranty. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Karttikeya

MS: We've successfully opened the casing of your Xbox 360. In three minutes we should be at the Core...

AvidAbey

Kyle81

Just for one of the defects. I'm not going to debate the issue of the build quality, since even the company that makes the product will tell you it's horrible. The rub here is the design is flawed on top of any other issue. I'll leave you some questions to think about.

What if they do this again with the next console?

Is this OK for other businesses to follow suit?

Shouldn't you be compensated for going weeks without the defective product?

I'm not going to debate the ethics either. These are just things to think about when you defend a corporation that's giving you a raw deal.

Mongoosekun

(Google searching hasn't found a confirmation so far, just people sourcing rumors. Not that it isn't there, just can't find anything concrete)

Jazhuis

method47

eilegz

Collapse The Control

Kyle81

The 360's problems though are highly documented and have been occurring since launch day. This topic comes up and you get a ton of people who have had to deal with defective 360's, but defective PS2? not as much.

Kyle81

You don't have to. Once your Xbox 360 dies, you get a free three year warranty.

F'ing alarmist.

Karttikeya

Don't do that... you're making us PS3 owners look bad...

Enigma_20XX

@SAKY:

Statements like that trouble me especially. I guess this new generation is willing to bend over and take it. Nothing against the poster personally, however do I find the entire trend disturbing when so many echo his thoughts. You shouldn't have to buy protection money for a defective product.

Mongoosekun

The one I got red-ringed in July and I sent it in on the 23rd; I called yesterday, and they don't see it shipping out until Aug. 8th, earliest.

I hope this one keeps on working through the holidays.. I'd be super pissed if I couldn't play this holiday line-up.

endejas.

Look for it and you will find it. About how to find a Falcon. Look at the box - if the box says lot 0728 or later - it is a Falcon. Also the manifacturing date is 07/2007 or later. You can see the manifacturing date on the back of the X360. The manifacturing date is also encoded in the last 5 digits of the serial number (the first digit of the last five is the year (7 is 2007) and the next two are the week in the year). You can see either by lifting a flap on the back of the box (so you don't have to unpack the box in the store)

ALL the X360 manifactured 07/2007 already have the new Falcon (65nm) chips and the new GPU heatsink. ALL of them. Microsoft doesn't manifacture non Falcon ones anymore.

This is new consoles only. The refurbs/repairs still get the old 90nm chips but at least they get the new GPU heatsink.

mx5

Yeah. The sites been live for quite awhile now. I don't see how this is blog worthy at this point.

The site also isn't that informative about the repair of your console. All it will tell you is that they received it at the repair center. It's not as if you can get up to date reports or anything.

I just received my replacement console yesterday. Took less than a couple of weeks. I was hoping they'd send me my original console back to me repaired, but they didn't. At least this one was manufactured a year after my first one (January of this year) and I think it might be brand new (no installed extra heatsink installed like been reported in refurbished units).

I might invest in that newer version nyko intercooler or whatever its called to help the overheating that may occur again. That and play shorter gaming sessions. ;)

vonfaustus

EasyEJL

Yeah!! It would have made more $ense to $et it up at launch! Damn M$! (note to $elf, u$e more word$ with $ ... thi$ i$ fun people... try it out =)

okenny_unbanned

Look, if the 360 didn't cost $400, I'm sure people wouldn't complain as much as they are...

Enigma_20XX

uh, but it wasn't as expensive....

Enigma_20XX

No_Shame_To_My_Game

SAKY

0starter0

People in the know were well aware of the disc read problems of the PS2, that ravaged the console for a number of years. I have several frinds who have purchsed 3-4 of them and now have the slimline version of the console. Hell even the PS1 had problems where the owner had to flip the console upside down to get it working.

SAKY

SAKY

Nexus6

ca$h

also, it's somewhat shady. i registered a device over the phone, but it never showed up through the site. needs a lot of work. just like the 360 itself. a very low peformance division altogether if you ask me.

Strider_Seven

Xiedo

Veltis

Veltis

Ape.of.Gods

Kokuryukai

Source?

baberg

People that call others kid on the internet, with no provocation, usually are the kids themselves. I'm not saying that I disagree with what you have to say, but choose your words wisely. And use some more periods.

LORDofDANCE

NowJacker

Bladeneo

Veltis

You wouldn't happen to know if any pictures are posted would you? I'd like to see what one of these looks on the inside to see if they fixed some glaring problems, or if they added HDMI.

romBox

skullivan

I have no problem with people being mad that their broken. I understand that it's something that shouldn't happen. But the jokes! They are just annoying now. It's like when there's a PS3 post and everyone says something like: wow, too bad sony doesn't have games for the ps3. Quit it, already!

LORDofDANCE

phalanges

Gouki4u

Candlejack

zozart

The less heat CPU (Falcon) is already released and some stores already got stock of the new ones

mx5

Moonshadow101

setuzoku

MC Double Def DP

LORDofDANCE

Cheers!

SK

ghibli303