ctunightfall

BS, the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE was also founded upon sex and reproduction, if people weren't horny in nature our specie would go extinct. Where the f do you think you came from? Cloning? Or did you burst from a stone?

For milleniums people were (and are still) screwing and having kids when they were in their early teens. It's only when the world became industrialised (only a centuray and a half ago) and life expectancy lengthened that some people (whom are well off and lives a comfortable life) started to marry later and having kids later. I bet you that if you trace you family tree two or three generations back that at least one of your relatives would have married early in their teens and had your ancestors. The fact is that society treating teens as children is a recent phenomenon, and that it only applies in developed countries. 200 years ago 13-15 would make you an adult good enough to start a family in a most places, and in some case still holds true today in some less developed countries.

houkoholic

FunkyJ

erlik

ddc

ddc

A game featuring 16+ girls would be perfectly normal for most of the world. And all in all it is fantasy. And there is no difference between this and GTA. Saying only pedo's play this is saying only homicidal maniacs play GTA. The entire purpose of that game is to hurt, kill and subject people to extreame violence. Dont fool yourself, saying that this game is pedo training (as said above) is the same as JT saying that FPS's are training for mass murderers.

RedOne

MajoShinpan

Jaimz11785

Leaderz0rz

Penetrate an underage girl today for FREEDOM!

ablemancain

People need to except that the world is not based on one moral standard. Japan, a country that was extremely isolated until recently may have developed its own moral balance?

But in my opinion and my morals, the japanese are f*cked up.

Galls

ddc

FL_Gator

Type-R

ca$h

ca$h

Since I could give a rats ass about either I guess Im pretty free after death!

Then again Id say Im living in hell waiting for november to roll over with all the gaming goodness that awaits.

Witzbold

But are you ok with Bioshock where you kill beings that happen to look like little girls?

Avinash_Tyagi

No wierder than walking into a store and buying a game that lets you murder people, I don't see how people can have such a moronic double standard: sex evil, murder good, yeah there's nothing messed up with that view, riiight

Avinash_Tyagi

BPMΣ

You'll go to hell. ;)

Sparkamus

Fadakar

Fadakar

I thought you made a very good point until you decided to ignore it yourself :(

Seriously though, if you're still OK with graphic and often realistically portreyed violence but say "What the Fuck?" at a game where you poke fully clothed adolescent cartoon girls (as the chances of Nintendo actually allowing a real h-game on the DS are zero) then I'm rather disappointed with the world in general.

Miitan

ablemancain

Sorry but I consider violence to be as bad, the fact that you don't shows how twisted out socieity is

Avinash_Tyagi

One thing I'm curious about though, is the fact the PS2 game was called an erotic one. My understanding is that all the PS2 versions of games had the hentai portions removed or something, and only the PC versions had any sort of real ero stuff. If that's true here, then wouldn't it be better to call it a dating sim or something? Never played this game so I'm not sure here.

Shadowmist

1.) Men are designed to find women most attractive when they are at their most fertile. While women 18-29 do and should garner most of the attention in this regard, many girls are shapely at 16 or even younger. While I certainly don't condone grown men chasing after this age group, I see nothing wrong with a vague "shapely teen" representing 16-19 year-old girls being available to fantasize about. Not my taste personally, but maybe some guys want to imagine they're back in high school actually getting laid?

2.) Just because Japan has a different standard than you're accustomed to doesn't mean it's bad or perverse. High school girls are certainly fetishized to a significant degree here, but it's something of a two-way street -- they hike up their knee-length uniform skirts to miniskirt level and even wear them on non-school days. If hot young girls walked the streets of American cities in matching, revealing uniforms, I'd be willing to bet a sexual subculture fetishizing them would spring up pretty quickly too...

erlik

BADDA BING

Witzbold

AnonUserAnonymous

Well, MAYBE in this case that's true. But the witch-hunting game takes place in high school, does it not?

And according to reliable sources, the Japanese have been into other, let's say creepy, affections with young girls.

PapaBear434

Thrillhaus

The girls in the pic accompanying this story look to be about 18-20 years old by Japanese standards. So the pedophilia angle doesn't really ring true. These girls are in an age range that just about every red-blooded male on the planet fantasizes about.

erlik

American society draws a lot of strange, subjective lines. Violence is ok, unless it's a game, and then critics start trying to decide what's "acceptable" violence. Is it to much to put a shotgun under a guys chin and pull the trigger? Or is that ok, but putting a guys head in a vice going to far?

The subject of sexual content, Americans are horribly uptight about. Sex is dirty, and is the quickest way to raise your movie, comic book, or game rating. Hell, if it's in a game, it's an automatic "M" rating, even if it's not part of the actual game (see PC version of Oblivion's "boobie" patch.) The level of acceptable content is a lot less clear here.

This crap gets debated back and forth, ad infinitum, because it's all based on personal prudishness and levels of individual, embedded shame.

Where Americans seem to have a universal line in both these subjects, however, is when it involves kids. You don't hurt kids, you don't have sex with kids. Hell, the idea of hurting kids, even evil ones for the purpose of survival, is one of the main plot points in the upcoming "Bioshock." And they even offer a reward for not hurting them, encouraging you NOT kill hurt or kill the little wenches.

America has this notion that a kids life is a very fragile, and somehow more important, than a full adults life. It's obvious why that is, so we won't get into that here.

Other cultures have other feelings on the matter. The attitudes toward sex and violence and appropriate ages for both are much different than they are stateside. It's to be expected.

But that understanding doesn't stop this American from going "A game where you are a Pee-Wee Soccer coach where you try to molest pre-pubescent girls? What the fuck...."

PapaBear434

crewwolfy

Alalu

Everybody here (in Japan) leaves their bike with the tiniest lock I've ever seen, while back home in the Netherlands, even if you have a big chain lock in addition to your ART-approved ring lock, it will still probably get stolen at some point.

I also often leave my door to my balcony open (live on the ground floor) even when I'm away for a short while, or while I sleep. If you try that in the Netherlands, you can say bye-bye to your laptop and wallet.

So, at least my perception of Japan is that there isn't much crime here, compared to the Netherlands. At least for these kind of crimes.

Grauw

I'm not even done with Doki Doki Majo Shinpan yet, and now there is another game on the horizon? Sheesh. If it's out by October, I might actually pick that up while I'm in Japan.

ビッグ ボス

Some people like poking images of young girls who go "Kyaaaaaa!" in games.

Some people like killing people and stealing their cars in games.

While neither is right, neither hurts anyone and both are fantasy.

Any arguments relating to people playing games and wanting to act them out can be applied to either game and is therefor moot.

That is all.

Miitan

Just because you've been more exposed to violence and may consider it passé versus sexually explicit content doesn't mean that the former is any more "acceptable" than the latter.

What was your point again? Oh, that's right. It was moot.

humilitybecomeshim

KFC.... Finger Lickn' Good

Impurethinker

Yes I know Im going to jail...

Witzbold

Surely then, if using your book, then you'll have no objection to labeling games which lets players play terrorists, Nazi Germans, drug dealing gangsters, hired hitmans, or human-wiping alien races then as "bad" too, no? Surely these cannot be socially acceptable and are bad fantasies and people should be ashamed to play them. Heck we shouldn't be allowed to enjoy games with bad fantasies too because they infuse bad ideas! But hey what do I know? Since my book is different to yours, right?

Think about this one long and hard and tell me again, why draw the line there?

houkoholic

Who wants to touch ??

AbyssUK

ok so what your saying is japanese pedohilia (which isn't what the ds games are promoting anyway) is wrong (which is it) so not sociallly acceptable.

Shooting people in the street, stealing cars, breaking laws, knocking women/men anyone to the ground and stomping them to death or close to is not wrong as its socially acceptable i.e. gta?

Right what you have there is a double standard you see, you can't accuse the Japanese of being perverts and sickos because they like games involving women, effectivly softporn and say its theres nothing sick and wrong about you to like games like GTA because its socialy acceptable to do the things you can do in gta... because guess what its not. the horror. Surprise surprise you can get the death penalty for shooting someone, you just go to jail for pedophilia hum, in the US anyway, should go complain to congress about that and get them to switch that around.

charsuipau

ca$h

Without getting too graphic, these games are designed to get people off who want to touch little girls. Games like GTA are designed to attract a wide audience of normal people. GTA stays within socially accepted bounds. How many times have you gone to the movies and seen someone killed. Now how many times have gone to a movie and seen sexually explicit content containing underaged girls? Now why is that?

ca$h

What about playing a game as a murdering gangster who beats up/kills hookers, sounds just as bad to me

Avinash_Tyagi

ca$h

How? Most gamers probably don't even know how to handle a real gun in RL and would probably piss their pants when someone points a real gun at their head, and yet it's not "sad" that they're pretending to be a save-the-world-hero and shooting up enemies left and right? What makes that any different than a loser who can't get a GF in RL and want to live a fantasy of getting laid?

Oh wait, it's no different, because *gasp* both are living a form of fantasy via videogames.

houkoholic

Shooting an enemy is not "sad", this is.

That's the difference.

Karttikeya

Oh, like people playing FPS should feel a little shame because they enjoy head-shoting people? Get real.

It's hypocritic that gamers would readily defend violent video games as fantasies when people like JT opens his trap but then can turn around the same second and tell amongsts themselves that games involve sex is "wrong". Why the double standard? What makes it different? That's what I want to know.

houkoholic

MetaKz

Oops, I meant overweight.

Karttikeya

ca$h

No more than playing FPS makes you have murderous intents.

houkoholic

psychobadger

Hoogie

Gamemaster

ca$h

ca$h

Less perverted then it happening in real life

Avinash_Tyagi

Hoogie

ca$h

I'd rather them touch computer versions of little girls than molest real girls

Avinash_Tyagi

Those type of things happen in every society, but even taking those things into account the rates are far lower (some stats staee that only 16% of all sex crimes are reported in the US for example)

And better to have Abortion be legal

Avinash_Tyagi

ca$h

Let's face it, every culture has its own dodgy set of tastes. The Japanese just make games and cartoons about them, and seemingly aren't as repressed as the west (the Christian world?) in showing them.

aldo_14

Uh-huh, you don't think the crime rates in the US are higher than reported as well, get real, a lot of crimes are never reported, especially sex crimes

@Karttikeya:

Actually its a lot lower

Avinash_Tyagi

That's what the typical Japanophile would say.

What you said could mean anything. Like "Canada has a lower obesity rate than the US"...by only 1-2%.

Karttikeya

grosolan

I'm sure there are plenty of erotic games that have come out on previous consoles - we just never heard about them because they obviously never make it to Western shores.

What would bother me is seeing someone playing this out in the public. I'd rather they did it in their own privacy time!

SeriousStu

MegaPanda

Japan also has useless police that don't bother tracking down even harassers caught on tape at train stations, legal non-tracked abortion with no age limits either, and several other factors that contribute to a very serious problem. It's so bad that several train lines run special women-only cars to reduce the rate of crimes.

Bellamy

ev1l_er1c

It's not like the West is devoid of hot coffees or BMX XXXs.

Kuraudo

And before the comments go all "what pervs!" I ask you, which is healthier: Wanting to virtually touch boobs or virtually gut-shoot someone?

Zadaz

Japan has lower rates of Sex crimes, childhood pregnancies, etc. then the US

Avinash_Tyagi

Hoogie

Avinash_Tyagi

No offense to your adopted homeland there, Ashcraft, but they have some... Interesting preferences in gaming.

But hey, to each their own. Their very perverted own.

PapaBear434