gwolf

GT HD well, that's like comparing a real pretty woman with a picture of a more pretty woman, which would you rather have?

gwolf

neostars

Hmmmm... you MUST be describing yourself... but your not pretty.

dadeisvenm

Webdemon

PlayerX

Lost_Fable

And showing cosmetic damage on only a couple cars is useless. Might as well not do it at all if you aren't going to do it on every car.

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DNess

DNess

SolidFro

Gamerleet0374

Let's start using our heads before mindlessly typing and clicking submit comment.

Type-R

With that said, Cosmetic damage I can forgo this generation, but it'd be nice to punish reckless drivers in online play that use your car to take a turn at higher speed and ram you into a wall :)

Also damage modeling would be nice for long distance endurance races, but hey, I could never go for more than a hour drive.

teh_bear

Yes
idk
no
Yes

mentalboy11

dadeisvenm

Damr

Uh yeah, they do get back on the track after major repairs are done in a 24 hour race. Have you ever watched one?

"And if you are going all-out racing all the time, then you aren't racing effectively. You shouldn't be spinning, period. The only excuse to spinning is that you, the driver, put too much stress on the car, and that is one thing you shouldn't do."

Are you speaking from your own racing experience?

Yes, people do spin cars. I've spun my own car during autocrossing on several occasions. It is pretty easy to do when you have ~400hp at your command.

Also, I didn't say that you go all out all the time, but you do go all out at times. And in a video game, you are more likely to push a car hard since there is no threat of dying. So you are even more likely to crash in a video game than in real life. So there should be a penalty for it.

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jeoung91

jeoung91

@thecactusman17: [Damage modelling]... also alows them to show off the high-end safety equipment that they produce for racing and passenger cars, which are a big selling point in many modern family cars, which is exactly why Ford sponsored the few games out under the moniker of Ford Racing and none of the games have damage because Fords are quite unsafe (the ones you'd actually drive in the game). Does anyone want to drive the newest ultra-safe Volvo? No, they want to drive the carbon-fibre Lambo or Ferrari or {enter name here}, which while are safe, are so technical the street cars don't survive crashes drivable, so showing off the safetly measures are quite moot. It's always moot as you can't get killed in racing sim games- if it were possible, then there would be more incentive to use super-accurate damage modelling. How many games are there that use liscenced cars that you can crash into undrivability- and not like in NFS or MC where you just restart in a renewed car? I can think of Pro Race Driver, which is great at damage modelling but isn't very well known or played because the damage modelling is so great. Unless you have the patience to learn the skill, it isn't fun restarting the race 80 times because your rear end got trashed and you don't have drive in your left rear wheel anymore. There are a few others that only deal with certain race series (NASCAR/F1 games), but those are race cars manufactured to withstand crashes to a better degree than street cars. However, in your basic non-hardcore/consumer race game, they balance damage modelling and playability to the point where damage modelling isn't accurate, it's just showy and doesn't affect gameplay as much as it should so that you can progress through the game.

denki

If you stand still for too long in this industry then you will get overtaken very quickly..

Thats what has happened to GT.. People now see it as kinda lame (well, definetly not the system seller it once was)..
Sure it has nice graphics and the handling is good but what about car damage, weather effects, in car views, customisation options etc?

Gran Turismo 5 will not get my money unless those things are included..

wogsy

Consolcwby

miketuck3r

Car companies (especially high-end car companies) actually want very realistic damage modeling. Not only does it absolve them of all possible blame (your car exploded in this, why would you expect a better outcome in real life?) but it also alows them to show off the high-end safety equipment that they produce for racing and passenger cars, which are a big selling point in many modern family cars.

thecactusman17

"If we can't do it our way, we won't do it at all!"

At the very least, give the car mechanical damage.

Anyway, Yamauchi is full of shit. If you are going all out while racing, you will end up spinning at some point (I know since I have done it in real life). If you do it near a wall, you may end up tagging it (luckily I haven't ended up tagging anything). I do have friends that have tagged walls while racing. It does happen, whether or not it should. Watch any 24 hour race and you will see cars hit walls and scrape other cars. If someone else tags your car, you will end up in the pits, behind the wall, trying to get your car fixed. This is what happens in real racing.

There should be a penalty for crashing into anything in any supposedly realistic driving simulator. And the penalty should be bigger than just the time you lost in the space.

Rectangle

bullshit. utter spin and nonsense :D. its cost cutting pure and simple.

Latonone

youve never played forza :)

Latonone

denki

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Ixero

Sparkamus

I think polyphony digital have become swelled heads.

and

WHERE IS MY GT MOBILE?

wurtwurtwurt

Latonone

g8or8de

Sparkamus

TrettOff

My comparisons of FORZA and GT tell me that FORZA is about as uncompromising a simulation as has ever been made. That may not be fun for some people but it is what it is and I prefer it. Hard as it is it's much more satisfying.

I bought a PS3 for a simulation called GT5 but I honestly don't think it will be able to match FORZA in the reality department.

gwolf

Kyle81

The Forza demo had damage set to "cosmetic". With the damage set to "simulation" in the real game, if you ran into a wall at 150mph, your car probably would go 3mph max, in reverse only. The engine would be smoking, and it would pull hard to the right.

Yeah, the car should be destroyed if it were an actual simulation of damage, but car manufacturers aren't comfortable with "life threatening" damage done to a car in a game. So ending your race is the next best thing.

Rectangle

Even gt4 got better reviews than forza2 (you can't really compare them but still). And in some places DiRT got better review than forza2. So why do guys even bother to compare forza2 and gt5?

TaMs

I will trade damage models for a phat in the drivers seat camera. But this is next gen, I demand realistic weather effects and a robust online experience.

And to the point of customizing your cars... for some its nice to be able to choose more then the standard 5 generic colors they offer.

Belain

Unastheslayer

Check out the giant plus trees in this trailer at 1:25 into the video:
[www.gametrailers.com]

It's ultra realistic!

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kiigan

Damr

Damr

megahurtz

djricekcn

I don't think these simulators should bother having damage unless it is at least as good as DIRT's.

Sparkamus

When these driving sims can get Burnout level car damage, sign me up. If it's just gonna be superficial scratching, leave it out.

firelogic

devil-illusion

Vehicle damage? so far no, some car manufacturers don't want their cars to show damage so that is up in the air.

Weather effects? yes gt3-4 had races in the rain from what I remember

Customizable paint jobs? good question

In car camera? yes they are modeling the entire interior of the cars

devil-illusion

Buttah

EDGE

Mikolai

I prefer the driving mechanics of GT over Forza when it comes to "realism". So yes, I am still awaiting the release of this game.

LostToys

4 tracks for what is ultimately a demo. How many did Dirt or Forza 2 have? 2?

LostToys

Polyphony has been releasing prologues for the series since GT3.

GT HD is more Sony's monkeying than anything else.

LostToys

It sounds like GT has just not been able to keep up with the times - there's a lot of features they keep saying they're going to add, or want to add, and all we end up with is a very shiny drive through the countryside lacking the substance of many of its contemporaries.

humilitybecomeshim

ittekimasu

End of story.

nuck44

Unastheslayer

Cartman86

Slapping tacky decals onto those exquisite car models just doesnt seem right to me... *imagines the Audi R8 with orange flames on the sides* yuck...

HenryTownshend

That and having no balance between competing cars and yours. Hopefully they'll do some more limitations on what cars can be entered instead of just "4WD only" or "FR only". It's exciting to join an FR race with your Trueno or Miata at first...until you realize that the cars you're going against are NSXs, Porsches, Corvettes, etc.

Mikolai

LSDARBY

Vehicle damage? yes no (Not sure i think he said the racing version of the cars will have damage but again am not sure.)

Weather effects? yes no (Haven't heard anything on this)

Customizable paint jobs? yes no (Your guess is as good as mine)
In car camera? yes no (Yes)

Jamaicangmr

There are new options on the PS3's horizon, and Polyphony no doubt want to tap in to these. Not just for a more robust user experience, but to set some standards in the process.

So what has had to suffer in order to incorporate such addtions? Resources and development time don't just squeeze themselves in unless things get pushed back or nixed.

x999x

can't we just leave Forza out of it when GT is brought up?

Dakobah

ca$h

The features sound like a watered down attempt to counter Forza 2's amazing online experience.

They are just getting around to features that were in Forza 1 and are still watered down.

What about the deep physics/mechanics.

Not to mention the car auctions, engine swaps.

Face it, GT is like having a blonde bombshell of a wife who is dumb ass f*ck.. and only with you for your money.
While Forza is like a beautiful, sophisticated, brilliant woman who is also a high paid doctor & part-time model who pays her own bills and acyually likes f*cking your loser ass.

Forza <3

PronKing

Though, none of those features you listed is why I whore myself out, like a crack addict sucking strangers off for spare change, to buy each and every version in the GT series...

(I'm kidding, I have a good job ;), I just wanted to make a crack addict reference.)

Aex

ValkyrJunkie

InsidiousTuna

Tezs

Crunshii

Those are the questions, and I want answers!

Belain

homiebear

DigitalHero