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shawnpfiore

I'm much more impressed by the likes of Assassin's Creed, MGS4, and Mass Effect. Haze and Halo 3 if you insist on strict FPS examples. Crysis, in turn, looks better than any of the aforementioned games graphically, yet seems quite generic gameplay-wise.

If you find KZ2 to be 'fucking awesome', good for you. Based on the trailer, I didn't. Games are well on par with my expectations, but this one I can't help but find quite uninteresting. I see technical prowess, but lack of substance.

Also worth noting is that any creative industry unavoidably faces many levels of criticism. If you think gamers are spoiled, read some movie, book or music reviews and be amazed :)

kryo

darkserenity

Watching all of the E3 game demos (including Halo 3) and seeing somebody trash them in every forum has made me think. We, as gamers, must be ridiculously fucking spoiled. I'm seeing games and game play that look just phenomenal to me, and yet there is something to ridicule or not be satisfied with in every forum post. What is the deal? I can seriously say, I would not want to be in game development right now. Making games for people so critical and unappreciative would suck, and be a waste of talent.

Bemaggot

Bemaggot

The most generic thing however, based on the trailer, is gameplay. Enemy AI seems to consist of "stay put, run a bit, loop" -- except with the big damage tank guy, who just does "run towards player and shoot". What's up with this? To make your FPS really stand out, do something UNIQUE -- clever enemies, group behaviour, whatever... something we haven't seen yet.

We've seen Killzone's graphics on Gears, it's enemies seem to come straight from Half-Life 2... Where's the original bit?

kryo

questworld

I agree too. Someone fucked up, that much is sure.

floppylobster

Gears of War's architectural style was a unique integration of neoclassical, baroque, and art deco, which I found very impressive. Bioshock is going totally art deco, which is a very gutsy move that has produced some truly astounding imagery. This, however, is just generic oppressive industrial stuff. If I didn't know better someone could tell me these screenshots were from FEAR 2 and I'd believe them. It's very competently done, sure, but not astounding or groundbreaking.

Oppressive, dirty, industrial settings are to FPS games as bright green fields and blue skies are to RPGs. Not that there's anything wrong with having them, but they aren't anything to be astounded by.

Toasticus

Thank you!!! Graphics don't make the game gameplay does. And honestly gameplay wise it doesn't look that great. I mean hell, you can do a lot more in Halo.

Kemuri

funkonaut

GospelGangsta

raversnet

Scazza

Cueil

Cueil

To beat the best you must be the best.
1. The worst fire fx i have seen since 1984 AfterBurner.
2. Their was not a single realtime shadow on a object in the game ever.
3. limited mapping & FX
4. Lack of 1080p or upscale.

When it comes out i will see if these are fixed.

marcofdeath

Cueil

Covert-X

fturecord

I read that this game has a £21m budget (so far), which is around $40m.

For that money, you should be employing the best developers around.

I think even the worst dev team in the world would have a hard time messing up a $40m game!

GHz

I'm right there with you. Sony rushed this one. Plenty of time to make up for it though. They started off bad and now pretty much anything that they do right can be considered an improvement over the past.

Toad

Call of Duty 4 with grey shades.

Ejvid04

CrimemasterGogo

Of course, I'm well aware of that. It was a common comment during the marketing of Killzone on the PS2. Though I'm more referring to art-direction within game-design. Goggles aren't new. Glowing eyes aren't new. I'm just saying, the combination of the two got much more popular through the hype of Killzone.

And yes, I do find Killzone's design to be stunning. A beautiful blend between the industrial, urban, grim, bombed out, heavy and slightly cartoon.

hezz05

CVV1

crashlanding

Show me more Echo, MGS:4, Heavenly Sword, Little Big Planet, Infamous, or fucking even Unreal.

imskacore

Toasticus

MrSatan

Aftershock14520

For people who don't understand what I'm saying, the GOW pics had the player standing further away and the KZ2 pics had the player standing closer. Apply an equal zoom and one is going to be ALOT closer, thus making the texture look like shit.

Nice try...

ReginaldTheSeventySecond

Zanch

Not to mention it has 7 or more months left and we all know that graphic polish is one of the last things that happens.

Lachoy

From an artistic point of view, this is one of the best things out there. Killzone triggered a small trend at the time of enemies having glowing eyes, or at least popularized it. The art-direction itself is stunning, from the design of every character and environment to whole design document of the world, story and atmosphere. It has links to WWII in tone and gameplay (future combat will never be that hectic, I'm sure of it).

Of course, it's all opinion and taste. But I really love what Guerrilla has accomplished so far.

hezz05

Yami

Well, keep in mind, game assets get re-used and it was a developer playing this game. I'd reckon the game wil last around 9-10 hours for someone that jumps in the first time. Especially since later levels get harder to beat.

Killzone's (PS2) intro level was quite short too but later levels quite longer.

hezz05

Irenicus

The FPS model works better on the 360 controller for two reasons - your thumb placement is in a more natural position. It's less inward, and more natural to holding a grip on a controller. Also, it has an actual trigger your finger clutches, and opposed to a button on TOP (instead of in back) that has less of a "feel" than the trigger. At least that's why I prefer a 360 controller and have never met a single person who prefers a PS controller over a 360 for FPS's.

imskacore

Kreean

imskacore

The 360 controller has no inherent advantages over the PS3 one for FPS games. In my opinionall console controllers suck for fps. If you want the ultimate experience then use a mouse and keyboard. Here's to hoping they include mouse and keyboard support for this game like they are for the PS3 version of Unreal 3.

MrSatan

So that would still be just over 6 hours then?

Unless they make you stay in the same building/ location for a good 2/3 hours, which would dwarf the 15 minutes that it took the guy to get through level 3.

Am I missing something here? It just seems a little strange that 15 minutes gameplay takes a whole 2GB.

GHz

Polyh3dron

What do you think?

GHz

As for gameplay... Killzone 1 was as rushed as games get. Also, it was Guerilla's first game, and they made some amateur mistakes. Now that they've got time, funding, and a bit of experience under their belts... small wonder it looks so damn good. I doubt it will redefine shooters, but if they can loosen up the stiff feel of the first, and get rid of the glitches and annoying characters, they're golden. Let us hope, though, that they don't try to be clever with story again... their first attempt at plot was atrocious enough that I couldn't bring myself to finish the game. Bad plot is acceptable, but bad plot that thinks it's good plot makes me cry.

Dangeresque- Got temp banned and learned his lesson! (Crazy!)

afmvdp

sarusa

I know that playing R:FoM caused my hands to cramp up like mad while jamming through Gears of War on the 360 was so very comfortable. It's all in the size of the controller and ergonomic positioning of the sticks.

knouri

But it's an FPS so meh. What a waste of talent. Could use those budget and development effort to a more innovative game.

HobbaHobba

Nintendo and 360 fans have been using that trailer as an insult for over two years. Now that Sony has come so close to the trailer, Sony fans and ps3 owners feel a lot of validation in our (rather expensive) purchase.

In the grand scheme of things, most playstation fans probably aren't all that interested in Killzone 2 beyond the ps3 vindication aspect. We want our Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Rachet and Clank, LittleBigPlanet, and whatever Team Ico comes up with. But for those who want a good fps too, it's nice to know the ps3 can do those also.

androvsky

However, the gameplay from the trailer at the conference seemed, well poor at worst, average at best. Here's hoping to see that was not indictive of the entire game.

Brynj

Toasticus

And don't even get me started on the triggers. :)

WinterSnowblind

Back on topic, I'm impressed they pulled it off graphically, but the trailer still made the game look too bland. I don't know if it's the art or the setting, I just can't see myself becoming immersed in this game. The first Killzone felt horrible to control, I hope that they streamlined the controls a bit, they always felt a little floaty.

Cwolf267

Chaz_206

Then is this game going to have just over 3 hours gameplay!?

GHz

Cartman86

WinterSnowblind

Silent_Shark

On topic, this does look amazing. I think it's pushed me off the fence into the PS3 yard.

Keldan

romBox

The moment anyone makes a game that ups the ante enough MS will probably scrap their system like they did for the original Xbox to release the XBOX 720.

I hope not though, I am slowly earning trust towards MS after what they did to me with their original console and I am actually enjoying a couple of games for it.

otarumx

whitehawk

Personally, I thought COD4 demo graphically smoked this game.

start-select

Yes, because this is the only game people will buy for the PS3.

Enough with the $500+$60 comments already!

EnigmaNemesis

When is this coming out? It'd be nice if there was a price drop again before it released.

Huckleberry

ca$h

sectionz

Nice touch with that, I like it.

Witzbold

I think 'wait Killzone.. is good?!' Sums up the suprise that most people feel when they see that the PS3 is starting to get its act together, I don't think that Sony have done enough yet, but look at all their consoles, it takes time to get the best out of them.

SorenKier

mnml10387

MrSoursop

EnigmaNemesis

rose_revolver

I'll save real judgment til the PSN demo comes out. Hopefully it'll play as good as it looks!

ca$h

Genfuyung

Genfuyung

xrunner33