ZombiePuppy

1) it'd take a long time to get port to the 360, due to size alone. but it could be done, because the hardware's similar enough, though not ideal (as any game not built on that sytem isnt ideal).
2) you might want to check wikipedia on this: the wii's hardware cannot do what 360/PS3 can do. There's a generation gap right there. The very fact that you think there's nothing more to a game and its engine/requirements than graphics tells me you arent going to fully understand this.
3) "tacked on waggle controls". When you use the remote in Wii sports, it flows, right? cause it was made for wii sports. You ever play Ultimate Alliance, Godfather, Spider-Man 3, any other port not set up for the wiimote? Think past RE4 for a second (great game, but of course it worked, it was first on the gamecube, same hardware). Its awkward; because theyre tacked on. If you dont know the difference between using a regular 360/PS3 controller with 2 analogs, a d-pad, 4 buttons, 4 shoulder buttons etc vs a wii-mote & munchuck, you should prolly play another system sometime...youll keep seeing it, games made for the wii's unique control setup are gonna continue being the best ones.

i dont know why im bothering here; after reading through your comments, you want MGS 4, FF XIII, Tekken and god knows what else ported, i cant help but tell you, you should just get a PS3 someday and be done with it. I didnt buy a PS3 to play Mario Galaxy or Smash Bros, you shouldntve bought a wii for those games.

i wish i knew another language so i could get you to understand, more importantly than the fact that the above games woudlnt work on the wii, you shouldnt want that. Do you think Wii sports could play on PS3? Sure, itd be prettier, since you think its all about graphics. Why woudlnt it work? because original games made for that sytem are the best ones. Stop begging creators to strip down their hard work to something that woudlnt even resemble the game they spent years and possibly millions on, just so it can look and play horribly awkward on a system its never intended to play on. It makes no more sense than those who want Halo DS.

TheIrishNinja

asherdude

eastx

TheIrishNinja

polkalizer

Tisteldun

Lyrai

for one, ok, 480p instead of i. shut my mouth; that's such a huge difference.

since you like quoting things from years back, let's look at kojima's journals on previous games, since you clearly know something about him and his works, right?
Document of Metal Gear Solid 2, perfectionist that he is, Kojima goes on about the things he'dve like to have done with the scene early on when the water tanker blows, as far as interactivity, but sadly the hardware didnt allow for this. Its not something he's unfamiliar with; the original Metal Gear 2 for MSX (which only got ported here on Subsistence's extra disc) had a lot of earlier attempts at things he couldnt pull off until games went 3-D, and even then, he did a lot of innovative things in Metal Gear Solid that stepped up the series and changed how we play games...ask practically anyone, MGS 1 was one of the most influential titles of its time.

He's like that, he wanted the blu-ray data storage size and such features for this title, bad enough to commit to an exclusive, if even timed. He acknowledged early on that, yes, this could be done on 360 with some work (and to omo or whatever's credit, youll notice i wont say that it wont be done at some point). Why is this title again delayed? because he's a known perfectionist, and were usually grateful for the product when its ready; its why there's so much interest in this, the ending of the series.

Has MGS ever been ported, to systems of equal or greater strength? Yes, it has, to reach a wider audience, often meeting abysmal sales but it has happend. Kojiam's team has never been know to take their tremendous efforts and make a cheap shill to appease people, that's now how they work...if you get a metal gear game on your gameboy or the like, its a different game.

I get that you think that Wii Sports is crazy popular (it is!) and why you somehow think that has anything to do with this: because you werent aware of any of the things i just said, youre simply that big a fan of the wii, you think tacked-on waggle controls simply must improve everything...meanwhile, were getting rumble (possibly more?) because kojima wants it with the sixaxis for this game, so tell me more about how motion controls alone make gameplay "better".

Id tell you to get a ps3 if you want to play this so bad, but you dont seem to know the series at all, so the best i can say, once agian so youll hopefully hear me:
1) if you are somehow a fan of MGS of any kind, there's' the 20th anniverasry soon. Perhaps youll get some classic ports of Snake Eater or otherwise, with tacked on controls since the layout doesnt work at all for this series.
2) Kojima has already said he'd enjoy making another game, once he's done with this series, for the Wii. Go look up Zone of the Enders, Snatcher and Policenauts to see what else he's done outisde of Metal Gear, and get hyped because he's one of the best out there, so whatever non-MGS4 game we end up with, im willing to bet itll be great.
Didnt he once say something about wanting to do some online zombie game, too? i forget the specifics.

TheIrishNinja

That has to be the most illogical statement that I've heard you say today. Do you even proof read your posts? First you say, "i dont think its gonna work in 480i" Well, the Wii runs in 480p 16:9 widescreen which is a bit different than 480i. Now you say it's not about graphics.

Well. Ok. The blu-ray data won't fit on a DVD. But the mass majority of that data is going to be graphical data. Massive texture maps and vector data for a 1080p display. Drop it down to 480p and you'll get it down to a DVD -- maybe a couple to DVD's. But it would still work.

What the Wii is known for, is its controller and how it gets the player to interact better with the game. That's why Wii Sports is so damn popular. The only thing that a Wii port of MGS4 would loose is graphics. And what it would loose in graphics, it would more than make up in gameplay.

Now get a grip dude and go to bed. I think it's past your bedtime.

asherdude

Metal Gear Solid 4 cannot be done on the wii. You clearly have no understanding of what the wii is good at, and what is not good at. This is about far more than graphics. You have even less understanding of kojima and his works.

I have a wii. This isnt about fanboyism; you know what is about fanboyism? Wanting a game ported to the sytem of your choice when it makes no sense at all. Whare youre asking for is like saying "i want Resident Evil 5 on my DS". its retraded; youre not gonig to get the same game at all, youre going to get a few of its mini-games at best, or maybe a card game based on the series. Where am i losing you here?

""I'd like to run away from MGS 4 creation and create something for the Wii but unfortunately, I don't have anything that I can announce at the moment."

read it, again. he's saying he'd love to do a wii project, as soon as metal gear solid 4 is done. It doesnt even imply MGS. youre becoming the worst kind of fanboy on this, seriously.

@Omoplata: you dont work in the industry. you likely dont work in any industry. you're salty MGS 4 is an exclusive, for however long into the forseeable future, and you wanna go beyond speculating after getting denied, to actually somehow punishing kojima for the product he built, in the house he built. I keep waiting for your punchline, cause this must be a joke.

TheIrishNinja

Tora

Tora

Action Bastard

Nice try, you might try noticing that I gave you yes, a flavor of corporate reality in the tech world since you obviously dont know how it works. You gave the fantasy of Kojima telling management what to do. I gave you a taste of reality - in the end you do not have "free reign" - you can be sued for violation of NC/NDA and for breach if you suddenly decide to try and go mustang on your employer. On top of that no company is going to take you if doing so would make them liable under your NC agreement, as well.

You could see this as "fanboy fantasy", but that would only be because as a rabid fanboy that probably has never worked at any job involving IP in your life, you dont have a clue how it works.

But if fantasizing about Kojima running roughshod over his bosses and Konami's upper management arouses you, more power to you. NO ONE gets free reign - whoever holds the purse strings will always make sure they have the last word. No employee has complete free reign, not Kojima and not Kutaragi. And in the end Kojima is an employee.

If it is a corporate mandate to go 360 with MGS4, they are going to go, and Kojima can complain, but there's not a damn thing he can do about it. Unless he has personally financed his own studio, owns all the rights to all of the IP, contractually has prime responsibility for determining sales, distribution, and market strategy, etc. which quite obviously he does not. He does development...end of story.

Flash forward one year from now. See what happens.

Omoplata

frygar

Well, you still don't get it, do you? Shelve the fanboyism or graphic whoreness (which ever you fall under) and look at this logically. Kojima said that he'd love to do something for the Wii and the way he said it, makes it seem like he doesn't like working on the PS3 version of MGS4.

"I'd like to run away from MGS 4 creation and create something for the Wii but unfortunately, I don't have anything that I can announce at the moment."

How else would you interpret that quote? If he wasn't under contract, I'd bet that he'd quit and join one of the Wii teams. And make MGS4 for the Wii would probably be a dream come true for the man.

asherdude

TheIrishNinja

It was interesting to see how the FoxDie will play out in this installment...if the soldiers all spazzing out was indeed the work of FoxDie.

And the Raiden/Vamp fight...awesome! I don't think it was over the top. I mean, jeez! Sure, it's unrealistic, but who cares? Games are supposed to be unrealistic, and over the top! That is why games are GAMES! They are meant to ensnare our consciousness, captivate our senses, pique imagination. I think, in an attempt to attain photorealism in video games, gamers have forgotten this. Don't stop yourself from enjoying a game because it's not real enough. If you're looking for something 'real' then go outside and run up a wall or sneak into an air vent while communicating with your superior.

Anyway, that fight was awesome! Raiden is such a badass now! And Vamp...is still kinda fruity. In the way he dodged Raiden's attacks anyway. But that's how Vamp gets the job done I suppose, so I won't argue.

Oh, and Vamp is a freakin vampire...that in and of itself is rather over the top. For this genre anyway.

emoldy

Action Bastard

youre comparing a cutting-edge game here to RE4, a great game granted, but one that'll be about 3 years old by the time this is out. Think about that, just for a minute, and then, realize that a) if you want to play this, you want to play it right, and b) again, you should be very, very excited about kojima doing something new for the wii that's built around its architecture.

people like you asking for ports of everything this side of GTA, i really dont follow one bit. Did you have any concept of the strengths & weaknesses of the system you purchased? I sure did when i bought my wii.

TheIrishNinja

Action Bastard

WINTERSNOWBLIND, I can empathize with you there; there are indeed a lot of fan boys here, the majority being the Playjerks. Sure, MGS4 may be announced as exclusive (even though I'm hearing it was said as 'premiere' in the conference) but that doesn't mean the Playjerks should rub every Xhead's nose in it. That's just assinine. Truthfully, I own a PS3, originally for games like DMC4, FFXIII, and MGS4. But now I have titles like Resistance, Ninja Gaiden, and The Darkness, which I thoroughly enjoy. Someone said this earlier but I want to repeat it: People need to stop viewing a console as 'amazing because it has this exclusive over that other console with that "shitty" exclusive,' because that's just retarded.

I would love to have a 360 for games like Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Gears of War and Condemned. Some others that I'm extremely interested in are Mass Effect, BioShock, and Too Human. I now also Guitar Hero-less, because that stupid Pelican adapter does not function with GHII (bastards) so that would also fix that dilemma.

Whether or not MGS4 stays exclusive or not is not my concern, because as of now, it's 'exclusive' and being made with the PS3 in mind. Hopefully, that means it will use the full potential of the PS3, and not be some crappy port like F.E.A.R. If it does eventually get a 360 port, bravo for Microsoft and their consumers. I just it's everything people like me hope it will be, but I'm not too worried about that. I've enjoyed every MGS title thus far, so I will no doubt enjoy Guns of the Patriots. :)

emoldy

Kirakun

asherdude

Its not happening, you should let it go and be happy to have such a great creator interested in the wii format - i know i am, whether he works on Snatcher, Polienauts, or something all new, im sure it wont disappoint.

TheIrishNinja

But based on that comment, I'm sure that he'd love to move MGS4 to the Wii if the bosses give him the go ahead.

asherdude

@asherdude: no, theyll ask if they can repackage MGS3, Portable Ops or something.
Konami - specifically, kojima's team - dindt get their name to be synonymous with quality by stripping down things to play them on last-gen to make a buck.
by your argument, wouldnt it make far, far more sense to do that for the vastly superior user base of the PS2? because its not any more likely.

TheIrishNinja

asherdude

Sharpless

You dont have to believe Sony; Kojima said it, too. And if youre serious about wanting to see a wii-port, youve never played a MGS game, that's a horrible suggestion.
Also: big difference between sega trying to bring back an old franchise (granted, looks great so far) and uh, a once-again confirmed exclusive porting to hardware that cant nearly handle it. Cmon now.

TheIrishNinja

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if MGS4 comes to the Wii. Nights did, and who saw that coming?

asherdude

GIT I SAY cause no1 cares... same goes to the rest of yall

BigChiefSmokem

before the cynics/realists slate me, yes, i know the games industry is all about the cash and the PS3 doesnt have a huge user-base yet yadda yadda yadda, but all the same still feel sorry for them.

Gypsie

lol

BigChiefSmokem

hansamurai

And we realized......METAL GEAR SOLID was a perfect game.

MGS2 and MGS3 strayed from it in that the 20-30minute video breaks really killy the flow.

In fact I fell asleep during the MGS3 intro scene.

I'm looking forward to MGS4....but PLEASE cut down on the friggin' 20 minute movies.

GoonieGooGoo

It's hard to 'jump ship' without a boat. They don't even have the engine running on Xbox 360 unless they just started a few months ago. Either way *this title won't be on the 360.

I still expect a remake made by another Konami developer maybe 1-2yrs+ out.

@Truepatriot:

Yeah, mods and keyboard + mouse. Imagine if they let 360 and PS3 players in the same server? It wouldn't even be funny -- well it sort of would since fanboys would go insane either way.

"This server bans kb+mouse players!"

Mongoosekun

TheIrishNinja

NotSoCool

Oh please, you guys act like these guys are radical platform-loyal zealots, so much so they would risk their jobs.

State again clearly for us - are you firmly of the belief that a true drama queen move of Kojima threatening the guys who sign his checks at Konami with "dont you dare try and port that code to 360 or I WILL LEAVE THE COMPANY!" will actually take place?

Are you a true fanboy or what?

You know what the real life management response to that would be, fanboys who have never held a real tech industry job before and therefore do not know WTF they are yammering on about?

"Great Kojima, now sit down and STFU, we own the IP, we will sell it the way we want, if you want to bail over this in an infantile hissy fit and duck and run to another company, we would be happy to allow our team of lawyers on retainer to sue your personal wealth out of existence for violating the NDA and Non-Compete agreements you signed in exchange for the fat paycheck you now receive. On top of that you wont be working for anyone in the gaming biz for a year. And we will still end up porting it any way we please. The 360 devkits are already here, get back to work."

Omoplata

You don't understand Hideo Kojima's power within Konami. He is the former Vice-President of Konami and he has created one of there most successful franchises for Konami as a publisher.

He has his own production team 'Kojima Productions' which makes the Metal Gear Solid games with him. He probably owns the rights to everything 'Metal Gear Solid' except the actual name itself. I doubt Konami would go against him as they couldn't publish the games content without his permission and they wouldn't want him to leave.

It's on the PS3 as an exclusive, the Konami President's statement a few days ago was probably to deflect the press from the 'PS3 Exclusive' statement today.

Kevyn

Action Bastard

@asherdude: yeah, cause thats clearly the same thing.
you lie about things when youre waiting to announce them at E3....where's your argument now?

Just saw the trailer, shit that was amazing! Vamp's back, and yeah his fight with Raiden's over the top, but any more so than the earlier stuff we saw of Ninja vs those mech things?
So, Snake and Meryl are teaming up again, then? I just really loved the "I'm no hero, never was...just an old killer." thing.

TheIrishNinja

Marius

Frenzy54

WHO CARES!? JESUS if you have a PS3, you can play MGS4, no one that's gonna play it cares how well MGS3 did, the game was awsome, end of story.

All people here should care about is the games, this could potentially be a really good game if MGS3 is any indication (3 is by far the funnest SP experience i've had in years.)

Hopefully this doesn't dissapoint me like MGS2 did though.

It's funny, cause all posts regarding MGS4 all of a sudden turn into:
"ZOMG, IF THIS GAME COMES TO XBOX THE PS3 IS DEAD, LAWL"

Again, NO ONE CARES. if you want to play it play it, if you don't then don't, we don't care about your opinion, it has no value whatsoever, even if the game would come multiplatform people that own a ps3 would still buy it, DEAL WITH IT.

Kamus

asherdude

Any day now. For realz.

ClosedAccountDueToErrorsAshCouldn'tFix

At least the 360 fans can actual admit that there's a game on the PS3 that they think looks good, and actually want to play. Reverse that, and look at the PS3 fanboys, and you will see nothing but "lol halo sucks, we dont want it anyway". etc.

WinterSnowblind

@Warren DeMontague: different story, isnt it?
one word: exclusive.

TheIrishNinja

And later all we will get is a kick ass ninja action game with Raiden.

The game is exclusive geeze. Stop moaning about timed exclusive, it belongs to the Playstation platform. If you are so unfortunate to own a 360, buy a Playstation and the problem will be solved.

Marius

If you're wondering, the original MGS sold nearly 6 million worldwide and the XBox version of MGS2 sold less than 1 million copies.

Buttah

Oh-My-God. how do idiots like you manage to breathe? don't you forget evry now and then?

you are getting told, in your face that this is a PS3 exclusive. DEAL WITH IT, GO PLAY YOUR XBOX AND STFU.

I swear, i could bring you the bones of jesus christ and people like you would still say he resurrected.

Kamus

Assassin's Creed.

FlapjacksAreTasty

But if you remember, Solid Snake got all of the weaker genes of Big Boss, which would explain the problems he's suffering now.

superbabyproject

shadowstrike

Brynj

frygar

But, I believe this to be a timed exclusive, or being saved for E3 '08s Microsoft Announcements.

Justcrim

Maybe, but that's never been concrete. Advanced aging for Solidus took place all his life. He didn't suddenly have a rapid growth spurt. So, can we apply this to Snake, who aged normal UNTIL now? Can we assume the medicine he's taking is for Fox Die? However, isn't Fox Die incurable? Who the hell is really the old Snake! This could go on forever

xaosoax

Grael4

I believe that the Xbox version of MGS 2 was indeed gimped, but the radar thing is supposed to be there.

Maybe you would enjoy MGS3, which has no such radar.

superbabyproject

TheIrishNinja

Everard

Sorry to fly off the handle there Irish. I'm just a bitter MGS fan. I'm one of those people that bought MGS2 after hearing all the reviews saying it was the best game of all time. Then after buying and playing it for a while, it turned into a ex-girlfriend simulator. That was annoying to the highest degree. Then came MGS3, which I admit was better. But then they go and release a special edition version that even costs less than what I paid for...ugh. Damn it! I promised myself I wouldn't rant this time. Sorry again there Irish. :)

romBox

If you listened to the conference, he did not say anything about it being exclusive. Jack did mention that he "hopes to hear it being exclusive very soon", but nowhere was it stated that it is an exclusive.

ninjarr

@Kikujiro: its all in line with that kojima's said, the entire time. further speculation is just that.

TheIrishNinja

Whoa hang on there a minute. The aged look is a result of the cloning process, not Fox Die, that's why Solidus looked so old.

superbabyproject

Finally, what I REALLY do not understand is the thing about "Kojima leaving = no 360 MGS4". Why would they even need him to port the game ? He's a thinker, not a crucial programmer.

Some developpers NEVER do the ports themselves. Look at SE for instance : all their ports since the SNES>PS1 ones have been done by a society called 'TOSE'.
Capcom recently received help from nVidia to port Lost Planet.
Hell, even Virtua Fighter 5 is not ported by its original developpers.

Kikujiro

well as with all metal gear's, there's a hell of a lot of speculation on the plot and what truly is or isn't. Remember the Fox Die virus still lives inside Snake, which is the reason why everyone assumes he looks old and is dying (after all, Meryl is still young, so, it's clearly not far in the future). I've read a bunch of theories though, including the Old Snake is not really Snake theory. Which is very plausible. Guess we'll just have to see...I'm just glad I get another chance to kick Vamp's ass.

xaosoax

Kinsella

woodywood09

Brynj

reddevil

TheIrishNinja

Now that's more like it, some discussion of the game itself. Personally I'm not a Vamp fan, I'd like to see Raiden kick his ass for good. What does strike me is how vulnerable we've seen Snake appear in the trailers so far. We've had the coughing fit, the general old appearance, and now the stumbling / failing to shoot Liquid in this trailer. Hopefully we'll see a little more badassness from Snake soon.

superbabyproject

[www.gametrailers.com]

interficium

And be honest, for Konami it is all about profit, any company is. Any third party is fair game. Now having said that I don't expect MGS 4 to be ported to the 360, but saying it will never happen is just as ridiculous as claiming it definitely will.

Brynj

Can we be serious now?

Scynix

xaosoax

okenny_unbanned

My loss? I guess so, if you mean all the money I wasted on such ridiculous games. Then yes my wallet took a hit that I wish it hadn't. Damn you Kojima and your hype machine!

romBox

ExiledVip3r

Actually you're in the majority, MGS 3 sold poorly. As much as I love the series sometimes I wonder why Konami sinks more money into diminishing returns. I mean MGS 4 couldn't have been cheap to make and prior sales couldn't fill them with confidence, though I'm not complaining.

Brynj

MGS4 is Kojima's baby. Its a symbol of Kojima in his greatest form. Its the last game, and as such, Kojima is pouring everything into this game, going as far as to delay the game until 2008. There is no way Konami would do such a thing. For Konami, it probably has less to do with maximizing profit, and more (if not all) to do with appeasing Hideo Kojima.

Also, Tretton wasn't the only one to call it an exclusive. Kojima himself called and exclusive, and has called it an exclusive numerous times.

Next-Gen-Gamer

@Mikew3st: @QuickPick: @RolexDPracer: denial isnt pretty.

@InsidiousTuna: you can have a trophy, yes.

@jb2002smg: funny, i keep reading "exclusive".

@T3kN: yeah, when he wantes to finish the story, he's clearly a liar.

@PENI_MASTA: haha yeah, in the hearts and minds of a lot of people on this thread, and nowhere else!

@WinterSnowblind: yup, it wont move systems, neither will FF. Only Halo does, right? Nice try.

@alucard_0007: That's exactly what youre saying; many have been comfortable just taking shots on the ps3 cause its been cool for a while, and felt safe theyd get all the games they wanted without having to pay a price they inititailly didint go for; now, the bad press is running out and theyre missing out: pages of cheap shots on threads like the virtua fighter 5 one last week leave a lotta saltiness here that some arent willing to accept, so its either "its coming later" or "i didnt want it anyway", "its so overhyped" etc. weak!

@MookieFL: not when your system is looking to close the gap at a higher price point; sony needed this. i appreciate competition, but this is gonna boost the userbase like its been needing...to that end, it serves your argument.

@jb2002smg: oh cmon, you know itll be out long before this game.

@WinterSnowblind: i can say that about any game here, too.

@romBox: your loss, 2 got convoluted (i loved it) and 3 was a simpler, amazing plot.

feels so good.

TheIrishNinja

Buttah

Home is a lot of fun even in its current incarnation and that new stuff they showed should make it even...funner.

And surely you know that the Chewbacca Defense is unbeatable?

superbabyproject

maikeru

Hagglegaggle

I can't say I've ever liked MGS, but I'm always hoping that one day I'llunderstand why others do. I'm afraid I'll have to keep waiting.

Oh, Home looks like crap and Killzone 2 showed promise. Chewbacca was quite embarrassing.

Islandkiwi

It means it comes out in Japan, and the US, and probably Europe too, all at the same time.

DXY!

Hagglegaggle

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Sony "doesn't pay for exclusives", remember? Bah, right...

Doomstink

Funny that you say that. Keighley got to interview Peter Moore earlier, which will air on G4 tonight (E3 Day 1 starts in an hour). Keighley mentioned that he did indeed ask Moore about MGS4. So I guess we'll have to wait and see what he says. Honestly, I get the feeling he'll put a positive spin on the series, due to respect for Kojima, but then he'll say something stupid like "the game doesn't fit our brand" or some BS of a similar sound. Regardless, Moore may be able to completely shut everyone up, even though it shouldn't take him to do it.

Next-Gen-Gamer

Am I the only one who'd love to see a next gen Zone of the Enders? Considering part 2 was one of the greatest games ON the ps2

Desfunk

I'm not saying that I think MGS4 will come to the 360, because I don't. But your arguement doesn't make much sense. Sony have a history of twisting the truth, especially when it comes to exclusives.

WinterSnowblind

maikeru

Grael4

Personally I'd rather concentrate on how it's going to be 57 varieties of awesome than worry about whether the 360 is getting it or not.

superbabyproject

miss_ali1984

Yeah, the interweb and every pre-teen on there has turned consoles into some fucked up tirade!

EnigmaNemesis

I own all three systems, so I guess that means I suck too :D

I can see MGS4 eventually coming to the 360, the same way MGS2 Substance came to the original XBOX, years after it was originally released on the PS2. Until you hear anything else, MGS4 is a PS3 exclusive and none of your whining or crying or "zomg PS3 is still too expensive" will do a damn thing.

Is it me, or did the console gaming scene suddenly turn into partisan politics?

DXY!

RolexDPracer

Now then, time for a dose of reality. This is it. There will not be a port. Sony was very descriptive with all their exclusives. It was either exclusive, or exclusive for this year. MGS4, however, was said to be exclusive. Not exclusive for 2008. Just exclusive to the PS3. You can talk about Konami deciding the game's fate, but lets be realistic. The gaming industry has a great deal of respect for Kojima. This is his final MGS title. I highly doubt Konami is going to disagree with anything Kojima says regarding this game. Even so, it should also be noted that the game has so much hype, that most PS3 owners are going to pick this game up. That alone will make profit, and with the eventual increase in install base, the profit will rise. There's no risk at this point.

Its done. Everyone else is over it, and they're not going to wait for you. The rumor is dead.

Next-Gen-Gamer

edb87

Amen Brother!

asianmacker

ca$h

RTYPE1124

Sales are doubled at five major retailers. I don't recall ever reading that sales were risen by "700%" except for some of those meaningless figures pulled from the Amazon movers and shakers list.

And even then, doubled compared to what? 700% compared to what? It remains to be seen how impressive that'll actually be once the charts roll around. It'll be interesting at least.

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Also, I doubt MGS4 will hit the 360, but you will notice that Kojima never once said anything about it being exclusive. This press release says absolutely nothing about it being exclusive. The only ones saying it were Sony. It gives a slight impression that they're keeping their options open lol.

semjaza

More simply put, it's TWO YEARS WORTH OF XBOX LIVE SERVICE. $100.

Remember PSN is free. At least for now.

littleman

theK

As far as this attitude that"PS3 now has a game worth owning"...that's just ridiculous. Sony showed more than a few potentially great titles for the PS3. I remember when guys at my local EB ripped Devil May cry 4 for being more of the same when it was first announced for PS3. All of a sudden when it was announced for the 360, it became a great game. The rule of the day is "hate if it's not on your console regardless of how good it may be in reality." Stupid.

and this bitch fest about price, get over it. Neither console is cheap and this attitude that 360 is a great deal at $400 is retardedly and stupendously ass backwards. $400 ain't cheap and if it was that easy to support the 360 then MS wouldn't have had to stuff the retail channels last year to reach that 10 million shipped goal only to have 360s barely moving since then. Sony knows they can never release a console for $600 ever again regardless of what's in it.
So why bitch? Enjoy the games you play on 360 or PS3 or whatever and call it a day. Why cry because Kojima didn't come out and suck on MS's nipple with a MGS4/360 annoucement? Suck it up and enjoy VF5.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

I'm not sure if I'll ever get a P3 (already have 2 of the 3 next gen consoles, so it's hard to financially justify), so even if it came out in 2011, I'd still get it. It looks great.

Really, we all don't have the patience of a 13 year old. I'm currently playing Animal crossing on my wii for the first time and I've always wanted to play it.I'll be playing katamari and RE4 for the first time very soon as well.

Sony, Nintendo and MS have all "made" a lot of great games the last few years*. I'd like to play them all.... eventually. :)

* I realize that statements like that might make Fanboys' heads explodes. I apologize in advance.

rluzinski

Konami Press Conference: uh... we're making MGS4 for the 360 as well.

That would make a good YTMND.

nlyonssmith

Krellie

Scynix

you know .. now im starting to doubt this .. konami put out a cryptic message yesterday . and now again with some poem .. and then JT seemed nervous when he said exclusive over and over like trying to get kojima to say it ... oh shit .. now we have to wait for the konami press conf at 5:30 PST!

sectionz

Then MGS3 comes out and also a Xbox port with virtual missions. I trust Kojima about as far as can throw him. MGS2, and MGS3 were both mediocre games. And ended with me swearing off the series altogether. The original PS1 version is a classic in my opinion. The sequels tainted that a little for me. As you can see, I'm still bitter about it.

romBox

I want Konami's head boss to walk on stage, in front of everyone, and say, "We, at Konami, like to limit our chance of selling to a wide audeince, and therfore, have made MGS4 exclusive for the PS3."

Sony's head boss said the PS3 would have 2 HDMI ports at one stage...

QuickPick

Yet they spend $$$$$ dollars resending their RROD360, getting an elite for the living room or simply buying another 360 to replace the old RROD360. Plus $$$$ for MS extra devices such as handsets, XLive, and extra HDD. Yet they "think" PS3 is expensive cuz it's 500 bucks.

Look, if you save $5 every day (from your pay or lunch money), in a month you gain $150. So multiply that by 4 (months) and you get yourselves a PS3.

So stop bitching about how expensive PS3 and start to learn how to save your money NOW! You'll thank me 4 months later.

Plus, if you saved $5 per day since 4 months ago, you would have bought a PS3 today.

So you all whiners just bitch, bitch, bitch but refuse to do anything about it.

Right now I'm already saving up $300 for 360 Elite. I should have enough money by the time 65nm version rolls out.

HobbaHobba

WinterSnowblind

AppleSalsa

Honestly, though, speaking as a 360 owner and maybe a potential PS3 owner, I wasn't blown away by the new MGS4 trailer. Seemed like just more of Kojima's hamfisted techno-thriller scripting with no gameplay.

crazyscreenwriter

"Finish the Fight" might refer to the end of one storyline.

nlyonssmith

makemoney

As far as MGS4 goes, it looks more like clever use of art style and sepia rather than photo-realistic (unless you are talking about a photo with 16-color palette).

Killzone 2 looked impressive, but how will it look in daylight, when you have to display wall textures and landscape scenes? It looks like a lot of Sony developers are using limited color palettes both for artistic reasons, and, maybe hardware limitations?

Drake and R&C both looked good, but I didn't see anything that looked like actual gameplay.

My favorite, though, is Sony mumbling something about the "exclusivity" of two games that Sony showed trailers for that were ACTUALLY PLAYED the night before on the 360!

If I were to rate the conferences, I would give Sony a "B+" for "better than last year", Nintendo a "C-" for "constantly boring", and Microsoft a "D" for "disappointing" or "dismal", take your pick.

bornonce

Brynj

Kojima: "Our plans haven't changed. MGS2 is my last in the series and it's a PS2 exclusive."

beem

Yes, I do own all of the previous MGS games. I didn't enjoy the second one, because the story just went completely wack, cheesy and difficult to believe in. I don't find the fourth game all that interesting because it seems to be following on from that. I'm still expecting Big Boss' foot to have been transplanted onto Ocelot.

All the trailers they've shown so far have seemed very bland and uninspired, I don't feel excited them from watching them the way I did with the previous games. I am looking forward to seeing how the story will end, however, as others have noted, I find it difficult to believe this will really be the final game, and I am certainly not going to go out and buy a console just to play it.

I'll also point out that my opinion on this game was the same before the exclusive confirmation, and either way, I do plan on buying a PS3 eventually.

WinterSnowblind

MookieFL

Chaz_206