iPod is a wonderful product. There is no denying its success. That doesn't make it the best, and it perfectly illustrated the Wii v. PS3 "war." iPod is the "hot" item. It is in the pop culture lexicon. So is Wii.

Qui-GonJim

L_K_M

Mini games huh...LOL Well your FPSs are just mods...LOL and your all paying 50+ a pop for them...LOL... Yeah I saw the kill zone stuff... cool they can do textures... WOW Nice design though... I hope epic is looking at that stuff...

Runna

@EmeraldDragon: Welcome to the battle son we've been fighting the evil SONy empire for cycles now. They are currently spamming with the mini game gun. No direct hits yet We have a legion of sweet ass adventure inbound to flank them. Things could get ugly really. Like I said before SONY fans BUY MORE GAMES.. with out that the HD spiket is going to run dry... Like GC dry..ya know!

Also too George Harrison is right. There is nothing arrogant about what he said... it's the truth right now. I know it hurts but hey go buy your PS3 some thing from victory secret to keep things interesting ok. FPS are cool yet That nintendo guy up there is actualy echoing what most developers are saying internally.

It's getting ugly kids.... I hope E3 is sweet yet FPS didn't save the PC and war craft still crushed it. The PS3 is all but a neo geo... enjoy your purchase... Denial is a bitch huh? Lost OD looks nice huh? FF better get moving... like now!

Runna

True Story!

Would read it again!

EnigmaNemesis

I am not saying iPod is crap, it just isn't the best.

Qui-GonJim

L_K_M

...like wearing Wii straps won't make a difference, huh, boy?

pixelsword

pixelsword

It's one damn week! The wii has been selling like that for months. Give it until the 360 announces a price cut.

LORDofDANCE

Umm..the PS3 sold 82,000 units in May, no?
If the PPS3 did indeed experience a 2,500% increase in sales, where would that put PS3 sales? You do the math. It would send PS3 sales rocketing past the Wii. Easy"
Fanboy. Good lord. You tell someone to do the math when clearly you DON'T READ. Sales RANKING, not SALES increased 2600%. They went from 26th to 1st. That is 26X better than the day before. It is honestly quite fucking simple.

Additionally, in every scenario you cook up, time totally freezes on all of PS3's competion. Ninty won't have a price drop, or more games or innovations to keep pace with PS3.

Sony lost a billion last year. Nintendo made a billion. That is a $2B swing, my friend. Remind me who is in better position to take a financial hit again?

Qui-GonJim

Qui-GonJim

Qui-GonJim

"Go Microsoft! Go Ninty! Keep'em on their toes so we (PS3 owners) can have what we want!"

I feel the same way about Sony. Anything that can keep Microtransactionsoft from monopolizing the industry and fleecing me (as a wii60 owner) is good.

@NukaCola: Yeah I thought George was gone too?

@Belain: "I have no doubt that for the forseable future Wii will be and maintain its roll as console leader."

Uh oh! Somebody has Britney Spears as their English teacher! j/k

Competition is good peeps, love thy enemy. (Well, it's easy for me to say because I always end up with every console eventually.....PS3 will be no exception)

Billkwando

Qui-GonJim

This logic is irrefutable. Emerald is 100% correct in his analysis of the history of console gaming. Bookmark his post and come back in a year and you'll see that bhe was correct.

Video Games are not some starving-artist venture. It is a business. That is why games like GTA are marketed in a way to make them attractive to certain demographics. Third party manufactures will go to where they can make the most money. Bottom line.

Sometimes we get lucky and the artistic side meshes with the power of the dollar and we strike gold like a Zelda title or God of War or Gears of War.

Other times we end up with underappreciated greatness like Okami.

Qui-GonJim

"The second a BD player drops to $300, she like many other HDTV owners are on board for hi def content."

I agree with the first sentence, but I could not possibly disagree more with the second.

The vast majority of HDTV sales are made with "HD" being a feature rarely used. People want the flat TVs. The fact that they are HD is inconsequential to the vast majority of people.

BD and/or HD DVD won't be replacing DVD anytime soon.

Qui-GonJim

By this time next year, or even late this year, there will be no shortage of titles available for Wii.

Qui-GonJim

iPod is still the "hot" MP3 player even though there are others that offer more features.

Qui-GonJim

Anyway, I definitely dig the price cut. Two or three more of those, And I might start thinking about picking up a ps3. Pre-owned, of course.

etho

B33

The fact remains: this is not a price drop, this is a spec increase. And that's not going to excite enough people to make a difference.

erlik

Piss off, Sony.

erlik

But even then hes points are usually retarded made up and he is impossible to argue with even if you are slapping facts in his face.

Irenicus

You're all right yourself. It's nice to have a debate with someone, instead of listening to blind fanboy yelling.

@SteveRayburn:

A one day spike in sales does not a solid lead make. Not by a long shot.

Being priced for mass market means nothing if the Wii were an undesirable item. The GC got down to $99 and still have to have bundles to move systems, because no one really wanted it. So clearly there is more to the Wii then a good price.

But this is the last time I am responding to you. At best you are a troll, at worse you truly believe what you are saying.

EmeraldDragon

Atrahasis

Dude, you're either a Troll or insane. I hope for your sake it's the former.

L_K_M

L_K_M

Irenicus

Wait... what?

ビッグ ボス

0starter0

You realize you basically doubled how many wiis nintendo sold in your hypothesis, yet kept their profit at the same as last year.

AND QUIT USING AMAZON AS INDICATIVE OF EVERYTHING!!!

mandlebaum123

I sound like a Nintendo apologist, but really, everyone seems to be retarded these days.

Gamemaster

I have.
Nintendo made $1.4 Billion in profits in the year to March ending.
Let's just say they are forced to cut the price of the Wii by say $50, and sell 10 million units in the next 12 months, that takes out $500 million out of their annual profits, and put their profits at just $900 million, no?

"Good thing every consumer in the world shops on Amazon.com. Wait...
Even if Amazon was a credible source, "

I have found that Amazon sales rankings have pretty much reflected NPD sales for both consoles and games for the whole of this year. The Wii has ranked as the top selling console at Amazon all year, and that has always reflected in the NPD figures. Same thing with the games. Pokemon was at # 1 at Amazon for weeks in April and May, and ended up as the # 1 selling game in April and May.

" a lot a 2,500% sales increase makes a lot of sense if the PS3 wasn't selling well in the first place."

Umm..the PS3 sold 82,000 units in May, no?
If the PPS3 did indeed experience a 2,500% increase in sales, where would that put PS3 sales? You do the math. It would send PS3 sales rocketing past the Wii. Easy

SteveRayburn

Siriously man, I do hope your shares with Microsoft keeps going well I do, I would to if MS paid me in company shares.

Anyway im not gonna argue with you cause everytime I do you keep failing misserably at it, then stonewalling me to end it with calling people names. But I should not expect anything less from an MS rep should I?

Irenicus

You mean like yet another iteration of the same old Zelda, and yet another Mario on the Wii for example?

SteveRayburn

SteveRayburn

Microsoft will drop 360 prices tonight.
The result? The 360 will exprience a rapid jump in sales, just like the PS3 has already.
Both the 360 and PS3 will experience big sales increases, while the Wii stays the same or loses sales to the 360, if the 360 core goes to $200.

SteveRayburn

Irenicus

If anything, the PS3 has solidified its lead over the Wii on Amazon this morning, with the top 3 in sales ranking all PS3 related, with the $499.99 PS3 itself at #1, the PS3 blue-ray remote at #2, and the PS3 controller at # 3.
Yesterday, the Wii was at # 2, with the PS3 accessories in the low 20's.
The amazing thing is, the PS3 is selling for twice the cost of the Wii, and still easily outselling the Wii.
Gives you an indication of what is going to happen when the PS3 prices fall to $400, $300 and $200. Given the rapid fall in blue-ray diode and other component prices, the PS3 is on track to cut costs and prices very rapidly.

"All we are seeing is the rush of people who were waiting for the first price drop. Once they have their consoles, sales will go right back to their slump. Still too high priced for the average consumer, and still too complicated for the casuals"

Maybe. Maybe not.
I remember reading posts from the zombies on here just 2 days ago saying that the $100 rice cut would not bring out any new buyers because the $500 price was too high.

"Remember the Wii has been selling out in all regions for 8 months now -- that's not an impulse buy, it's a phenomonon. "

The Wii is outselling the PS3 because its priced for the mass market. Sooner or later, the PS3 and 360 will hit the mass market, and start outselling the Wii. This very week, the P3 will get a price cut in Europe, and the jump in PS3 sales there will be even greater, because the PS3 is selling for up to $900 in Europe.

"The people who bought the PS2 for GTA and a handful of other games, aren't shelling out for the PS3. It's still too expensive for something that to them is a casual hobby. "

Most of the people that bought the PS2 bought it at $200 or less, yes.
That is why the PS2 has oustold every other console in America since the PS3 and Wii were launched in November last year. Those people are not going to the Wii.They are going to buy the PS3 when it goes below $200. The Wii simply doesn't have th games they bought the s2 for, like GTA, DMC, God of War etc.

SteveRayburn

Yeah, because they don't have the Wii in stock. The cheapest one is available at a $100 markup.

hegemonyhog

Wow, you named two games that arent worth playing on the wii, after I named 11 that most definitely are. Pathetic.

mandlebaum123

By all means..after you have shown me confirmation from the manufacturers that the premium 360 costs more than $400 like you claimed.
After all, you are the one that claimed that the 360 costs more to make than they are selling it for, no?

"And repair costs for the xbox arent free. They dont go to some magic land where they are repaired/replaced, and flown for free back to gamers on wings of a magic horse. "

Ummm...who says they are?
That's what Microsoft just took a $1 Billion charge to cover, no?

"Here let me do some math: 1.15 billion dollars / 10 million consoles = $115 in repair costs per console taken as a loss this year! "

You math is as sucky as the underpowered Wii..
# 1. the $1 billion charge is to cover all 360's that may fail due to rrod in the next 3 years, including future 360 sales. That makes your figures at once invalid.

# 2. We already have over 11 million 360's sold, since Microsoft has pretty much cleared the channel in the last 6 months, to get ready for the 65nm 360's.

"Your godly isupply states they made $70 per console... so after repair costs associated with microsofts own announcment, they lose about $45 per console. "

Ummm..iSuppli's fugures are for $75.70 GROSS on each 360 premium sold. That does not include maketing or repairs costs. The important thing is that it's costing Microsoft LESS to MAKE the 360 premium that it's costing them to sell it.

"Next year MS will be profitable on the system, because of reduced repair costs, and a reduction in the chip size, "

The 60 is on track to be profitable next year, from cheaper 65nm chips, cheaper costs of making the 360, and from more revenues from games(including Mass Effect, Halo etc), ad from services like the very fast growing movie download service. The more XBOX Live members you get, the more money Microsoft rakes in. In fact there is going to come a time when Microsoft will be making so muchmoney on services that the hardware costs might not even matter that much..a bit like the cable companies do when they give out free set top boxes and make their money from TV /movie shows.

"Go anderson consulting book keeping.
The diode reduction in price was quoted by 1-2 different

You don't need Andersen. what you need is to g back to kindergarten and learn how to count.

SteveRayburn

Stuid comment by Harrison.

@Strider, PGR was nice Perfect dark was broken and hated by almost every 360 owner and after COD2 singel player was done the game was done cause the online was broken and unplayable for 6months until they released a patch that any 360 owner was pissed about not proud off.

Only reason the line up wasn't complete shit was because of Halo2 emulator and people still playing xbox 1 and 360 was the only system out and was first out. Wii and PS3 had has better launch lineup. But their lineup is competing with 360 lineup after 1.5 years, ya know when people came back to play 360 again.

@conzer16 so is 360, since the first xbox and only seen 1 profitable quarter ever since the start and that was when Halo2 came out, Wii prolly aint loosing cause they are using gamecubes and... lol nah kidding there but Wii is the only one making profit.

@nikolayz1 There is also a bunch of sites showing that aliens are in area 51, true story. No MS are loosing money on 360 they even admit to that.

Anyway, I hope 360 makes a price cut soon.

Irenicus

That's a lot of cupcakes!

Gamemaster

And your "Microsoft makes losses on hardware" isn't a plucked-from-thin-air statement with no basis whatseoever?
Bottom line: iSuppli have a very solid track recod on providing estimates on the costs of electronics products, while you don't.
If iSupply says the 360 is making gross profits (outside marketing, R &D, adminsistraion etc costs) on the 360 since November, that's good enough for me. Esecially when compared to some Nintendo zombie on an internet board that is smply making empty noise.

SteveRayburn

L_K_M

Gamemaster

The only part of the Wii I touch (and thus remove dust) is the eject button. I don't think that area would collect too much dust if I stopped doing so.

So here I sit, playing Wii hours a day, all the while it is collecting dust.

Is it so hard to say "is being unused"?

egyptiansushi

Getting a new PS3 at $400 would make a big difference, but not $500. At $400, it'd be the same price as the "good" 360, and then most consumers wouldn't have much of a reason to get 360 instead of PS3 (except for, of course, the games).

BPMο

TheIrishNinja

Anyways, alot of you people are acting like the Wii is the console that can't afford a price drop. It sounds like most of you think that "once teh 360 hits $250 teh Wii is totally screwed!!1!1!!!" That's stupid as hell. You people just say things like that because you don't want to accept a less powerful pwning the 360 and PS3 this generation.

Hyrule Outlaw

I think Nintendo have some slack in being allowed to crow a little. They've created the success story of the generation and, no doubt, it will be talked about for years to come. E3 announcements are mere hours away and, who knows, they may announce more stuff that justifies their recent statements and current position!

What IS interesting is that they bothered to comment at all. On a company they claim not to be in competition with!

DataBaker

Fixed that for you, no trouble.

TheIrishNinja

>>

They'd need to get more than 2 or 3 good games to talk about. You're implying that Nintendo is "all about the games" while Sony and MS aren't. No one could honestly claim that the 360 doesn't have the best games for its console this generation (thus far). Sony and Nintendo are both in the early stages but I think the PS3's lineup (Oblivion, Resistance, MotorStorm) absolutely destroys what Nintendo has out (Zelda, Paper Mario).

Sloopydrew

Avinash_Tyagi

DarkprinceArmon

"Having the name of an ex-Beatles' guitarist won't make a difference. Will having that name make me cool? I don't think so."

Sloopydrew

i guess we'll see what people'll buy at what price in the coming months, im not gonna act as though the significant price-cut is enough to put it in a tremendous amount of people's price range. We're halfway through year one, so ill not continue speculating too much further, i just expect better of all 3 by the holidays, and hopefully next week will set some of that up.

TheIrishNinja

@dalejrfanfreak:
Good thing every consumer in the world shops on Amazon.com. Wait...
Even if Amazon was a credible source, a 2,500% sales increase makes a lot of sense if the PS3 wasn't selling well in the first place.

sirlaitier

Hopefully...

SliceWarriorX

I'm saying the casuals who are buying Wiis will never buy the 360 or PS3 at any price. They just aren't attractive items to that group. that said, they still count towards the user base. And actually, I later said that the kind of people who bought the PS2s (i.e. those with collections of Madden and GTA) are actually still buying PS2s.

I have no doubt the misunderstanding was my fault. I am a writer, and tend to be more flowery in my arguements than is really needed.

EmeraldDragon

Zio

krln99

Riscaa

Riscaa

He didn't say Nintendo rules. He didn't say Sony sucks. As one that would have a keen interest in observing the market, he is just pointing out the trends that so many other "real" and armchair analysts have already pointed out (as in what people have been historically willing to pay for a console).

The off-topic (but related arguments): The argument is not that the PS3 did not have a price cut. It is that the PS3 is no more AFFORDABLE than it was at launch. If NASA were to charge $2 million to go to the space station. $3 million to go to the moon, then drop the space station stop (due to it not being popular enough) and instead charge $2m for the moon and $3m for a trip to Mars, it would still not be any more affordable to become an astronaut. Sure, you are getting more for your money, or are being charged less if you were going to do the moon trip anyway. But it will still cost you $2m to become an astronaut.

Sony gave a price cut for the PS3, kudos to them for the wise move. They still haven't lowered the price barrier to entry that they had when the console first launched.

LucidLearner

You clearly have no idea why the Wii sells. Here's a hint; it's simple really. A lot of people buying Wii's are never going to buy a PS3 or 360, at any price. They were chased from the gaming market by the high cost and/or the complexity of the controls.

i read this to say that you think the bulk of wii sales are coming from either a) "casual" grandmas invading the market for a time, or more likely b) by the #'s, the same clientele the PS2 sold to last gen. Youre not just saying the wii's outselling in that market, youre saying theyd never buy a 360 or ps3 at any price, i dont see you calling that an "exodus" as any kind of a stretch from that statement.

@jasongw: weve been hearing this all day and its just as wrong each time.
when a package that went for $600 is now $500, you just dropped $100 of the price. its not difficult math here; if the $400 360 premium becomes the core's price tomorrow, you just saved $100 on the premium.

TheIrishNinja

Sparkamus

Top Ten Most Anticipated Games of E3 2007
[www.gametrailers.com]

XbhaskarX

lilsamuraijoe

The only thing that's changed here is that at both pricing levels you get a little more for your money than you did at the start, but the bottom line is still the same: If you want in on some PS3 action, you're coughing up at least 5 bills plus tax and a game.

It's certainly fortuitous that this is being *perceived* as a price cut for the platform, but let's be realistic people, it's not.

jasongw

I'll second that.

And don't worry, I'm not really offended. It is the internet, and not worth getting in a knot about.

EmeraldDragon

mandlebaum123

Doomstink

sigh. It's the fucking Elite not the 360. And I believe that more people buy the 360 than the elite so it doesn't even matter that the ps3 is only $20 more than the elite.

Kemuri

Unrelated: Anyone hear bush pronounce google "googly"?

mandlebaum123

dalejrfanfreak

That is a terrible thing to ask a lady. But for the record, I am 24, and 5'3". So, no, I am neither chaild nor a dwarf.

EmeraldDragon

Kemuri

How tall/old are you? Are you a dwarf?

mandlebaum123

Zio

mandlebaum123

You aren't following me on this one. My statement was not about the consoles, it was about the people making arguements based on unlogical reasoning (i.e. the curret line up of one console, verse the future line up of another).

And when I say my hands are small, I mean really small. My middle finger and thumb just barely touch when holding the Wii controller.

@Striderhayasa:

I'm sorry, I must have miss understood somewhere, since you where talking about "March 06."

And Nintendo probably shouldn't be commenting on this, they have no need to.

EmeraldDragon

Again, show me where I claimed this mass exodus you are talking about. I know I have never said it, but clearly there was some remark I made that needs clarification.

As to the rest, The reason the Wii is home to so many ports right now is because the developers where not prepared for it to be so popular. Eight months simply is not enough turn around time to pump out the big games, reguardless of specs. It will probably be a bit closer to the holiday season before we hear announcements for the really big games.

I'm not quite sure where you got that last bit from, honestly. I don't make sweeping statements about "all gamers," never have. You can't lump people like that. Though, again, I'd be happy to clarify a statemt I've made if you will show me what it is.

EmeraldDragon

Port

port

port

remake/rehash/retooled

Excellent...loved Excitetruck. Great fun.

port

should be a killer app

should be a killer app

should be a killer app

port

excellent tennis and bowling.

remains to be see if it's any good.

Yes Wii has potential, yes Wii needs time just like any other console, but Nintendo gave us lip service about how easy it is to design Wii games and how quality is key. My Wii collects dust with the quality we've gotten so far.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Gamemaster

as for everyone making their list of 10 games, its an arbitrary question if that guy doesnt say what he likes. i can name 10 titles im hyped about on all 3 but if youre not following them, you wont care.

TheIrishNinja

Sparkamus

I liked the small words better...

Darthvinder

I was comparing what was available at launch for both. It speaks for itself dude. Re-read what I posted. 360 @ launch vs Wii @ launch and shortly thereafter.

The point is Wii is selling like crazy right now but Nintendo would have been better served with a "no comment" and leaving it at that.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

ps for what its worth, i too have small-ass hands, but the only controller ive ever found cumbersome was the fatty xbox original.

TheIrishNinja

On topic. I own a PS3 the Jap version. Have not touched it for about 1 month. Sure Im busy and all but usually I did find time to play even before some deadline. 360: do not own one since I think the quality of the console is pure crap no matter how many games there are out there.

Wii: I want one, badly. You people can talk about this novelity thing getting old as much as you want but you have been talking for months and the sales are not dropping.

Tisteldun

"Sony lowered their price? hahahaha! Those fools, if they were as good as us they would lower it EVEN MORE. Look at their lack of money oh-ho-ahahaha"

Natpalm

Sarcasm is clearly lost on you people. Here's a hint that will take you far in life kids: Read what is said, not want you want it to say.

Let me break it down for you.

Oringinal statement: So true. Yet those same people will -- often in the same breath noless -- tell you how much potentual the PS3 has and all the games that WILL be coming out for it.

Translations: People point to the Wii's current line up and say it has nothing but mini-games and no ability beyond that. They then turn around and point to the PS3's future titles and scream to the rafters about potentual.

EmeraldDragon

i see what youre going for there, largest install base = all the good games, and its a fair point. i keep questioning how much youre banking on previous console models applying here: youre right let's not focus on the mini-games, let's focus on the big "hardcore" ones. i see two groups:

1) those made by Nintendo - Metroid, Zelda, Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy, Strikers, Mario Kart, hopefully plenty to come; this is what you rely on when you buy a nintendo system and theyre not franchises known to dissapoint.
2) games not built around the architecture - ports, basically, with tacked-on wii controls. its very limiting, i think, and while sometimes you get RE4, sometimes you get all the other ports that arent RE4.
Let's say i only bought the Wii; id want ports of FF, GTA and all the popular multi-plat titles. but that doesnt really work for the hardware, so i get ports from the last-gen installments instead.
3) 3rd party games built around the architecture - boobie, no more heroes, umbrella chronicles and i gotta say, i honestly hope to name a lot more of these after E3 or im going to acknowledge that this is my gamecube again.

im glad you enjoyed zelda, but honestly, dont go playing games with at least 8 buttons and 2 sticks/motion contorllers and tell me about how all gamers nowadays are tired of these newfangled controllers on the 360 and ps3 that've more or less been the same since the SNES/PS1.

TheIrishNinja

hehehehehehehehehehehe

Darthvinder

Ha - then again, I also loved Godhand, and that got similar scores to S&tSR, if memory serves; so maybe I just have bad taste?

Monsieur Fap★Fap!

Gagamus

Wii games I would highly recommend:

Zelda
Super Paper Mario
RE:4 wii
SSX Blur
Excite Truck
Madden 08
Super Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3
Super Smash Bros.
Godfather Blackhand Edition
Wii play if you have other people to play with
Zak and Wiki, apparently.

mandlebaum123

Notice how most of those are Nintendo games- douchebag third parties. I know of the general PS3 and 360 releases (GTA, Halo, etc.), but I'm definitely not going to pretend to be an expert on it.

Gamemaster

smooth, i like how you just bashed the PS3 for its forthcoming games, then said to give the wii more time for good games. that's kind of sad.

It is comments like this that show you aren't even reading what is in front of your face. In small words this time then: people are saying the Wii has no potentual outside of mini-games because that is all it has right now (not true, fyi), then turning around to say how much potentual the PS3 has by pointing out what it has in the future.

EmeraldDragon

VakeroRokero

I at no point claimed that the Wii would outsell the PS2, just out sell the PS3 and the 360. If you believe I have, please show me where I stated as much.

And you are right, this arguement is getting tired. You, and many others, are firmly convienced that all the Wii will ever have is mini-games and has no chance at ever hosting the big third party series. History of the industry has taught anyone who pays attention that it is a postive feed back cycle. Sell the most consoles, get the most (and best) games; have the largest library, sell more consoles. Third parties are fickle that way, wanting to make money and all. They simply aren't going ignore the Wii phenominal sales and low development costs, in favor of dry humping the PS3 shiny new technology. The most recent example is the PS2 and the GC. The GC had the most power and better graphics, the PS2 had the user base. Guess who won. The PS3 has the most power and better graphics, the Wii has the fastest growing user base bar none. Guess who wins.

And for the record, yes, I have played Zelda, I found it wonderfully easy. This from a girl with exceptionally small hands, who has trouble reaching the buttons on most game controllers, including the Wii's.

EmeraldDragon

ca$h

Oh, what a load of bullshit! So if you're selling something to make a profit, you're being greedy? You must be living in Candy Land or something, buddy, because last I checked, the purpose of a business is to make money.
Did I miss the memo where Microsoft and Sony said, "Gosh golly, we don't need all that money, guys! We're gonna sell you the PS3 and 360 at a loss forever!"

Seriously, dude...there's a metric shit-ton of reasons to criticize Nintendo over...but because they're making money, unlike the competition, ISN'T one of them.

Monsieur Fap★Fap!

@EmeraldDragon: smooth, i like how you just bashed the PS3 for its forthcoming games, then said to give the wii more time for good games. that's kind of sad.

TheIrishNinja

What's starting to become clear is that, "arrogance" or not, Nintendo may be beginning to believe - and not without reason - that they can and should just "write off" the last decade or so of gaming and the Sony/MS-exclusive gamers that got "in" during it.

Sure, the Wii CAN and probably will start winning over some of the "my first system was a PS1/PS2" demographic... but right now they've got their longterm "Generation NES" acolytes more fired-up than they've been since the first N64 XMas, the new demos who're buying the Wii as their first system EVER (and are thus having their gaming-psyche's "branded" with Nintendo's signature "Disney goes to Akihabara" visual philosophy) and they seem confident that the combined force of these two groups is enough for them to compete comfortably or maybe even dominate.. and at this point who's to say they're wrong?

moviebob

@Zio: 'cause its said about both the ps3 and wii even tho its been six months or so. again, holidays should shut most folks up.

@knulpm: its not just you, i assure you.

also, again: stop asking for a $400 20 GB return. you have to have enough sense to know that if sony could let the system go for $400 by the holidays, it would. you're not that clever.

TheIrishNinja

Nintendo has been very greedy/money hungry this generation. They are already selling with profit, meaning the wii is overpriced. This whole nunchuck and wii remote being separate is another blow. VC games? I have emulators for that shit, at leats sony and especially MS give something new (like online, achievements, etc..) something not found in usual emulators.

White-Sharingan

nya-chama

mandlebaum123

RPGZero

So true. Yet those same people will -- often in the same breath noless -- tell you how much potentual the PS3 has and all the games that WILL be coming out for it.

@Striderhayasa:

What exactly did the 360 have at launch? You can't fairly compare the games available at launch on one system to the games available in the same time frame for a system that has been out for a year and a half. Games don't magically appear out of thin air, they take time to make, especially good games.

EmeraldDragon

However, as HDTV penetration rates climb above 28%, and its growin rapidly, and as network bandwidth continues to shrink in price, like FIOS, 360 and ps3 will remain huge forces in the industry.

As soon as my mom, a 55 year old technophobe, bought a 720p TV she asked what she can get that shows it off? She didnt buy the TV for the HD factor, she bought it cause it was flat, and cheap. And they are only getting flatter, and cheaper. The second a BD player drops to $300, she like many other HDTV owners are on board for hi def content.

Belain

TheIrishNinja

I do not see this as a price cut, because I cannot get the PS3 for any cheaper than I ever could. They merely changed what I get for my money.

120 million PS2s were not bought for playing GTA or DMC. If that was the case, then their sales would have to be at least half of the 120 million. They aren't even close to that.

mandlebaum123

Granted, aside from Zelda an maybe Sonic, none of those games are "hardcore" games, which sucks (I guess)...but oh well.
There's more good stuff on the Wii than the PS3 right now.
Hell, I sold my PS3 a while back because there's literally NOTHING coming anytime soon that interests me. Ultimate Alliance and Genji both sucked hard.
Ninja Gaiden Sigma is the only game out for the PS3 I'd buy...and that's a port, too!

Monsieur Fap★Fap!

TheIrishNinja

Hand_O_Death

Gamemaster

Shijirou

NoBullet

Buttah

@EmeraldDragon: boy, is this weak argument getting tired.

1) last gen, PS2 sold 120+ million. Wii likely wont touch that, who knows, but its not all grannies; its about price. what, you think suddenly, gamers dont want GTA, MGS, all the great games they had last gen, the whole thing switched to mini-games overnight?
have you ever played zelda? the controls are just as much, if not more confusing; there's just as many buttons as before. you're buying into a marketing byline that, if the 360 core truly hits $200-250, with GTA IV, Halo 3 etc....youre in for a rude surprise, for someone who claims to study console history so much.

TheIrishNinja

Let's see how long that trend lasts before you declare the Wii dead. My guess is it won't last the week. All we are seeing is the rush of people who were waiting for the first price drop. Once they have their consoles, sales will go right back to their slump. Still too high priced for the average consumer, and still too complicated for the casuals.

Remember the Wii has been selling out in all regions for 8 months now -- that's not an impulse buy, it's a phenomonon.

The people who bought the PS2 for GTA and a handful of other games, aren't shelling out for the PS3. It's still too expensive for something that to them is a casual hobby. Heck, they are the ones hendering the PS3 right now because their kind are still buying the PS2s. By the time the PS3 is price cut enough for these people to consider it, the Wii's sales will have made them this gens industry leader.

@baberg:

I don't think Wii owners have an arguing point, but if they did it would probably be "Our sales numbers are making both your consoles eat dust. Sucks to be you, get over it."

EmeraldDragon

Now when the 360 Premium gets that low, it'll be another story.

Monsieur Fap★Fap!

I own a wii and I'm pissed becasue my Wii IS collecting dust. this could all change when Metroid Prime 3 drops and SSBB but as of right now, Wii gets no love.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

bobbytomorow

knulpm

Zio

Gamemaster

Darkest Daze

BTW, I'm a 360 owner myself and still on my first console from launch. I just respect every system in it's own right and just weight in advantages and disadvantages.

DJ-of-E

Your misleading posts are boring though. I only hope more people can see through you.

littleman

on topic, Nintendo may be sitting pretty now but their library is pathetic and their hardware is extremely limited by comparison. Best to stay humble Nintendo and Shut the $%^& up....thank you

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

wii controls are just as,if not more complex than an XBOX or PSX gam. seriously, some games have you holding down 2-3 buttons AND needing to do some kind of motion......intuitive my ass! it's more like "find the sweetspot so you can use the remote the way it WASN'T intended because all the damn gestures are fucking pre-recorded!

sorry about the run-on there..

Sharkmenow

ch0rx

KingBroly

But still yet, most will probably look at it this way: Last November, I could get a new PS3 for $499. And today, I can get a new PS3 for $499.

asherdude