<![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> my xbox got the red ring of death today but it has lasted 2 1/2 years also it only takes about five mins on the phone talking to coustomer service. Even though you only have a 1 year warranty for the console you actually have a 3 year warranty against the red ring of death.

bully103

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Tychoides:

Exactly. People need to understand that people in forums don't represent the majority of gamers, and usually they are a bunch of loud people who like to spread to several gamesites complaining about their 360 woes. I'm guessing the rate of failure is around 10-20% which isn't as bad as 60% or even 100% as some people would like to believe. If half of the people who bought 360's did have defective ones (which would be about 5 million) then this story would defiantly get more coverage,and that we'd probably be hearing about this in time magazine or some shit like that. Now I'm not saying this problem shouldn't be fix, Microsoft should do something about it, it's just that it's kinda foolish for people to think that everyone is going to have this problem.

Kemuri

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OneFreeMan: Well said.

I'd also like a few of you people trying to encourage 360 owners to give up the system to do a teensy bit of research. Look up the theory of cognitive dissonance, will you?

I'd also like to point out that I've had my 360 since November 06 and have run it with a secondary cooling system consistently. It's used in a very small, poorly ventilated space in a multi-tier entertainment center. I play the system for hours at a time - I believe yesterday I ran it for something like 5 straight. I've never had so much as a single problem.

I mean yes, it does suck a little that you have to make an extra $19.99+tax investment to make sure your spanking new system runs flawlessly... but given that doing so does, apparently, ensure that it will, why wouldn't you? Shit that works correctly for years beats a good warranty any day, IMO.

Digital_Sky

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I went through 4 consoles before selling my last one to a friend. I miss the console and want another 360, but won't buy one until MS shapes up and puts out working 360s. Hopefully that's soon, because I'm really really tired of the Wii.

Sloopydrew

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Christ, people. READ THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE regarding the electrical wiring in his house.

I just bought a 360 this past weekend (I have no brand loyalty, I will eventually own them all -- I just like to play good games) and so far I love it, though I do get jittery (and will continue to do so) each night I turn it on.

And for those of you who regurgitate Microsoft's "vocal minority" PR-speak, 49% is still a minority...would you give MS a pat on the back if just under half of their machines failed?

Jmarsh04

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @AxleMunshine: Read the article. Read the other comments. It's been stated OVER and OVER again that he had someone come in, his father happens to be an electrician, and NONE of his other consoles stopped working.

Tiger-Fever

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Maybe he should check the wiring in his house?
That's too much of a coincidence.

AxleMunshine

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Mine finally died last week; yes the "Rings-of-Death" syndrome, come to find out I was lucky (unlucky...) enough that my FEB/06 360 didn't die till JUN/07....oh shucks; no warranty left.

The unit had been malfunctioning/locking-up since the fall 2006 update was applied last year. Now M$ wants $140 to "repair" a product purchased last year for over $400, just so they can "fix" a design/manufacturing defect that should have been addresses long time ago!?!? As a long time MS/XBOX supporter I can not help but to feel betrayed, VERY BETRAYED!!!

I find it amazing that MS (so far) has gotten away with pulling the wool over everyones eyes! As far as they are concerned this is "a non-issue", we really NEED someone to initiate a class action lawsuit!

SpanishClash

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Just remember kids, no matter how many of these stories you see, just keep posting that it is somehow user error and yours works fine.

theflux

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Dead post, but I'll go anyway.

On my third. First one RRoD, second chewed up my disks.

PapaBear434

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Awful luck for this guy. I've had my 360 since Jan '06 and not had a single problem. No freezing, nothing.

The hardware isn't the greatest, obviously, but it's not like every 360 owner out there has gone through this. It's just the people who have are speaking up, often loudly, about their woes. Understandable, of course, I'm just saying it's a very vocal minority.

Hopefully the new chipset will alleviate a lot of these problems for the unlucky ones who have had to go through that mess.

ビッグ ボス

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Just Monday I received my fourth Xbox 360 from Microsoft. I'm hoping this one will have the new GPU heatsink. As it stands I haven't had a single console last for more than four months (two died from overheating and one was DOA). I've decided that I'm not going to say this one works until it makes it past the three month mark.

ericbock

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Thereis NO WAY that this guy went through 12 defective 360's.Either he was doing something wrong(i.e., his electrical causing burnout,mods,etc.)or he's full of SH*T!PERIOD!

Tezs

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Irenicus: Some of us have no choice. Remember, a lot of the U.S. has no access to anything other than crappy dialup. Including me. 60 miles to the White House from my house and the Internet service providers laugh when I ask about Broadband.

@Yetanotheruninspiredscreename: Interesting question. Our seven month old, frozen 360 has never been online, that option being unavailable to us. The pop when it froze and the ensuing metal smell makes us think it was a bad weld letting go.

@alucard_0007: xBotch? LOL I am not surprised, though. Microsoft has a reputation for building crappy equipment. They have taken the 360s to a new low, though. J

Chilly Hollow

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Why doesn't someone sue MS? Get a recall going? Do something people. . .

Lachoy

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @L_K_M: no company including microsoft would keep giving him new 360's if they thought he was to blame infact they could argue he is irresponsible and kick him on the curb, which makes you think doesn't it?

@asherdude lol oh god it is so sad im so pissed but yeah it is funny... ffs microsoft.

Irenicus

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Marasai: Statistics. Say, the chance that a 360 breaks within two years is 20%. That means that the chance of breaking 12 within about that time is around 0.2^12, or .000000004. Now, Microsoft has sold 10000000 consoles. This means that the probability of the existence of one person who accidentially breaks 12 consoles without doing anything wrong is 4%. Not too large, but not impossible either.

More likely that there's something else going on, though. Maybe some areas get 360s from other factories, or with components from other manufacturers. Or maybe he just put it in a closet with insufficient cooling. Who knows.

L_K_M

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Me: "Alex, I'll take Console History for $400, please."

Alex Trebek: "Justin Lowe is now on his twelfth Xbox 360, having sent eleven of those back to Microsoft for various repair issues."

Me: "What happens when the makers of Windows makes a console?"

asherdude

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Yetanotheruninspiredscreename: sorry but I would never buy 360 for an offline experiences only.

@schlizzag: I never had a PS2 fail on me or know someone that had, but then again PS2 came later as a newer version to europe then american one. Also the PS2 new ones are sturdy as hell especialy slim version. Your reasoning is bad and as a consumer you are not to bright, they need to fix it and fix it now, I dont wanna live in a consumer climate where companies can stick it to you over and over and ov...

and then hear the likes of you telling me that one day... when the company wont even admit that the problem is a big one.

My new 360 I got I had to spend new money on. Because my first one broke after warranty, but I love the 360 so much I spend money on a new one, but next time im gone.

Irenicus

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> All I can say is, if mine breaks again im gone for life, atleast to next gen, as in repair ship back then sell the refurbished shit on ebay.

I like the 360 a lot in many ways and enjoy it often but yes, next failure and im gone.

I dont care if my 360 was a hot 18 year old blond pleasing me everyday, if it keeps breaking down it aint worth it for both beeing an inconvinience as well as out of principal. You know a high maintenance lady.

I admire all people staying with MS after 3-4 even 5 failures, here I salute you, and I can see why you stay im staying to after what is now a few break downs. But yeah next one MS next ones...

God I hope I get to play Bioshock and Mass Effect before it happens :P all tho I might rent a machine if needed just for those titles and a few more.

No MS, siriously, release real figures release a new stable version and be honest with us. Old xbox was thought out stable never broke, well except ones but it was cheaper and broke after 2 years so , also your support was better. Im sorry but now my support agents cant understand my language anymore and they are rude and bitter.

JUST FIX THE DAMN PROBLEM ALREADY!! and if it isn't you should consider DUMPING TOSHIBA IN THE TOILET! and flush...

Irenicus

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I still don't understand how some shark lawyer hasn't jumped on this as an opportunity to make some cash on a class action suit.

Psychotext

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> You need to correct the blog post... remove the word 'luck', as luck has nothing to do with it. You buy a 360, it eventually dies. The more you play, the quicker it dies. C'est la vie*

*That's French for "It's OK for Microsoft to shaft you as they're a big company and you can't do shit about it."

in5ane

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I have had 2 machines red ring and one the drive died on it. im on my 4th xbox and its starting to freeze a lot. But this time i bought a spare to swap it out when it dies.

MegaWatts

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Phildope:

Well I dont know why you keep calling it "Xbob", but the fact that Xbox1 was made by Nvidia is very interesting if true...

Astrofox

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Why is Xbob 360 flaky? Because it is Microsoft's first console, and they were obsessed with cheapness. They also rushed it to market, as you may remember. It was unveiled for the first time in prototype form in May 2005, and was released 6 months later. The launch systems are noted for having some of the highest failure rates.

In contrast, Xbob 1 was designed by Nvidia and was a PC in a box. And yes, I do mean that. Microsoft was more concerned with getting to market quickly than worrying about price. A side effect was that the Xbob 1 was designed by pros and corners weren't cut.

Phildope

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Nate128:
You had only 1 bricked PS3, right? Any Console maker will have a few lemons being produced and sold to few customers. But not 3 to 11 consoles in a row for the exact same customers. That is just wrong.

This story is about a guy, who happens to be a hardcore gamer, have 11 consoles from Microsoft fail on him. 11 FAILED 360s!!!!!! WTF!!!!!
This shouldn't happen from a high profile name brand like Microsoft. If there is a problem with their hardware then they should have a recall instead of treating their loyal customers like test subjects. Do they want us to lose trust in them?

These customers have to go through such a hassle when they phone Microsoft to report the problem, send the lemons to be fixed in those coffins/boxes, not playing games for a week or more while waiting for the repairs, and then get a refurbished console that's not even their's. Then repeat the same process over and over again after ever defect.

The reason I said 'rape' was becasue Microsoft makes you buy all those additional accessories for your 360 to fully experience next-gen gaming, and when your warranty runs out or when you can't stand the constant let-down of failures, then you are left will all that useless junk sitting next to your sorry excuse for a next-gen console

If you get a third bricked PS3, then yes, Sony has raped you.

jsin007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Jesus, my NES still works.
I love the 360, but every time I turn it on I pray to the gaming gods it doesnt fuck up.
Come on Microsoft. Stop making games for a second and fix the damn console.

Infradead

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Nothing worse than getting your refurbished 360 back DOA, even worse when it's twice in a row as a friend of mine found out today. They gave him a free month of xbox live for the month he was without a system at least, haha. I'm really suprised MS hasn't had a big time class action law-suit by now with the number of hardware failures I've seen first hand. I bought mine back in November and haven't had a problem so far, but I've seen a lot of horror stories with friends machines. Sad thing was I convinced most of them to buy them.

Pornosaur

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Clearly the problem is with the repair centers, and has been all along, and not a million bajillion 360s bursting into flames.

justhesh

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @BigPete7978:

sony went through the same thing with ps2's...

i think they've learned their lesson. i doubt we'll have a problem with the xbox 720, or whatever the next one will be. just keep us happy with replacements til then, ms!

schlizzag

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OOOOOOSH: "this guys 360 has crapped out on him 12 times, he has probably still got more use out of it than anyone with a PS3"

wow. GIGAHURTZ, is that you?! you two would've been great fanboy-buddies with a shot like that.
im having a blast with my PS3 and no, havent seen a blu-ray on it yet either. Im not taking shots on the 360 either, but seriously, i didnt play/see any interesting games till uh, Dead Rising, and then Gears, so calm down with that' weve got Darkness tomorrow with Sigma on deck, Stranglehold right after, and that's just to hold us over till the amazing lineup this fall...hell, im still playing resistance, but having left my system on for a month straight (folding when not playing), i gotta say, its built to last. There's no reason i shouldnt be able to say that about a solid system like the 360, so your defense is pretty weak there.

TheIrishNinja

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @alucard_0007: I'll grant you that, definitely. 360's aren't nearly as tough as the original Xboxes, and I'm fairly disappointed by the 360's current build quality. Hopefully MS steps up their game and fixes the problem with the 65nm consoles.

Toasticus

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> My 360 broke five weeks ago, it always freezes shortly after starting up. MS support started a repair process for my console, but they still didn't succeed in picking up the broken console at my place - the broken 360 still sits next to my new HDTV, doing nothing but collecting dust!

ToastedSoul

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> My 9th 360 since launch was shipped out from Microsoft yesterday. Let's hope this one isn't DOA like the last refurb they sent me.

ReverendSlim

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @jsin007: Microsoft is getting away with rape? Because recognizing that there is a problem, extending warranties up to a year, and offering free shipping for repairs is raping your customers, right?

I own a PS3, 360, and a Wii, and I've had one bricked unit: a PS3 (go figure). It was replaced and I moved on. No headaches. Or was I "raped" by Sony and I just don't know it, jsin? You tell me. You seem to know what you're talking about.

Nate128

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @pupaboy:

Are you from MS support?

From TFA:

When his third 360 broke, one customer service rep suggested he look into the wiring at his house; electricity problems could have been causing the mess-ups ... his father is, coincidentally, an electrician. The specific suggestion was brought up by Microsoft customer service again after the eighth console repair... Justin had a contractor come to the house and check the wiring, where he was told that everything was in order, with no abnormalities in voltage of any of house outlets. Nevertheless, customer service has continued to suggest this as a potential cause.

FlapjacksAreTasty

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Marasai:
I don't dispute the 360 is fragile, but when one guy goes through 12 of soemthing, ANYTHING...you have to wonder how many pof those were his fault.

You'd make a great rape counselor.

FlapjacksAreTasty

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Uh, has this guy ever considered checking the voltage in this outlet?? If he is going through this many 360's, he might have a voltage problem with that outlet. The problem may not be the 360 but the outlet he is plugging into. Excessive voltage or an improperly grounded outlet can cause a variety of problem with electronic devices...

pupaboy

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OOOOOOSH: "this guys 360 has crapped out on him 12 times, he has probably still got more use out of it than anyone with a PS3"

I'm sorry but could you please explain this logic? I can't seem to accept this fact. It takes like what 10-15 days to replace one right? 10-15*12= 120-180 days. That's like 4-6months approx of replacement. Please explain how that will make this poor man use more than people with PS3?

Even if there is a good library, how can someone with such bad luck get to enjoy. You do know you need a working console to play it?

Kirakun

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> 12 xbox 360s? Poor guy. I know that the PS2 had hardware problems but this is next-gen gaming for christsakes. in-fucking-excusable, Microsoft. Even if you get the warranty and send in your console, you still have to wait a week to get it back. What a freakin Hassle. This should be front page news. Microsoft is getting away with rape.

jsin007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OneFreeMan:

I do. They consist of Neo geo, Dreamcast, Saturn, Xbox, Nes, Snes, and Genesis. All of these systems still work. Frankly the 360 is the only peice of hardware that I have ever bought that has failed.

Virgil Tibbs

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Virgil Tibbs: I dont care if they make games for it.

Well at least you've got your console gaming priorities straight.

OneFreeMan

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OOOOOOSH: Well I hope you are joking. Because if I was a fanboy I wouldn't have gone out of my way to track the Elite down to give it a shot. And believe me it was a pain in the ass to track it down here in Houston. NO ONE HAD IT.

@alucard_0007: Yes I too will be getting NCAA 08 and I can't wait. Hopefully I'll see you online. My PSN is the same as here. BigPete7978.

BigPete7978

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Everytime this comes up I feel the need to post, so here goes.

My first 360 died 4 months after launch. The second died a year later. They wanted me to pay. I said no and cancelled live. The damn pile of crap sits in the closet. Over a grand of hardware and peripherals. I got a raise and on a whim I got a ps3, I gotta say the system blows 360 out of the water. Far cheaper out of the box. I dont care if they make games for it. The ps3 already does everything else 10X better.

Virgil Tibbs

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Seven_Is_Darker: Why would you settle for anything else than a perfectly working 360? You paid for a PERFECTLY working 360!

CerberusXTX

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @BigChiefSmokem:

i believe the correct term is xbotch 360, lol

alucard_0007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> 12 systems huh... and they say i'm a fanboy :rolleyes:

Shitbox 360 indeed

BigChiefSmokem

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Maybe M$ is waiting for the NEXT generation to fix these problems... I mean, with Vista crashing and burning, they need to focus on where the money is at right now, right? =o

Seriously, though, the X360 is a funky little piece of hardware - great at what it does, but still spazzes out sometimes. And sometimes for good. Oo Could it be that the machine is so advanced, that it's having nervous breakdowns? WHO KNOWS. The issue is that M$ should be fixing this problem ASAP. But, what do you expect after Bill retired? The whole company seems to be losing their edge. =/

Consolcwby

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> That's some luck. 12 360s?
Meanwhile, I got my 360 a year ago and have enver had a problem, and the same with the only 2 people I know that have one, and a bunch of internet friends too.
Guess that's why I never won scratch-off bingo.

SuperMaxZero

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> First rule in buying consoles (for me anyway), never buy a lemon hardware. That's why eventhough the PS2 and 360 were leaders in great software, there was this giant chasm that kept me away. And I hated that. I hope the PS3 and Wii fair better, especially the former.

questworld

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OOOOOOSH:

well despite popular opinion I'm getting alot of use out of my PS3, and I have yet to buy a single BR movie. Unlocking all the D costumes/accessories for VF5 is pretty time consuming, not to mention RFoM and the fabulous Warhawk beta keeps me well occupied and should until July 17th when NCAA 08 hits (Go Bucks!) which will last until fall semester starts. At which point gaming will be a weekend hobby which will suck because of all the great titles coming out late august through winter break that I will need to play catch-up on.

alucard_0007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I guess I don't quite understand what you people think the alternative should be.

We agree the 360 hardware is crap and needs to be fixed. So what? Are you asking us to boycott in the meantime? Stop replacing our faulty systems? Buy PS3s? Put someone's head on a stake?

I just don't get it. I'm confident MS is doing what they can to fix the core problem, because anything else would continue to cost them millions that they can't afford to lose.

I'm also confident they're not going to magically cancel my warranty unless I wipe my butt with it and mail it to them with a little note that says "Happy Easter!"

So, what?

Do you just want us to publicly announce that we're angry? I'm angry.

Are you happy? Can I go back to playing my 360 while it works, or do I need to take up the cause like some kind of goddamned activist?

OneFreeMan

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Yetanotheruninspiredscreename:

I was thinking this guy was nuts for saying it was only the people going on live but he might have a solid point. I don't have a 360 but I want to get one as soon as the shrink to 65nm comes around.

The main reason for the 360 problems is heat I believe. The poster above said not to go on live to stop your console from bricking...Hmm

I have a Wii it is in standby mode all the time (it's version of off), it is hot as hell. It is sitting in the middle of a desk, yet it is hot as hell. The reason is it's CPU/ wifi chips are working and I don't think the standby mode is letting the cpu & wifi chips go into a deep enough sleep. If you do standby right with the right hardware and software you can make chips take up almost no energy and release no excess heat. You sleep in super sleep mode and wake up every 20 min or so to check for updates. The Wii isn't doing this...

So could the 360 be in a lower speed mode but still sucking up a ton of power and releasing a ton of heat. Thereby while in standby mode the machine is still very warm. The 360 is heating up all it's chips not at max but there are no fans while it is constantly checking for live updates. Then you play a game and it pushes it over the edge. Motherboard warps due to all the heat and wamo. Sooo maybe if you totally disconected the xbox it actually turns off and a little less damage is done to the machine...

All I know is that I have a PS2 a year from when it first came out. I always turned it off when not playing it. Still have my original. My friends leave theirs on a lot instead of turning it off. Many are on their third PS2's... Coincidence?

FuzyBaffy

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @BigPete7978: I was not being a fanboy, I was calling a Sony fanboy out by giving a counter argument. However, I had a PS2, and had the DRE for most of its life that had to be opened up and fixed probably every other month, 2 broken controllers, one stopped vibrating after about six months and then just died. I bought a couple of new controllers and donated it to my church. My 360 was bout launch, and has yet to crap out on me. It is cool that the elite 360 wasn't for you. If I was a Sony fanboy, it wouldn't be for me either. I am joking on that last comment by the way.

@alucard_0007: "I'm really curious to see what argument gets used once the games start coming because that's the only thing you ever say. A library of games means shit if you're always sitting around waititng for a replacement."

Lol, you have been curious about what argument I am going to use once the PS3 gets games for months, but the sad thing is you have to keep looking into the future and saying when the PS3 gets the games coming, because they still haven't came. I'll let you in on the arguments I'll use though,

Still sucky online, still a hefty price for someone who has no need for blue ray because the only tie he could use it when he is home from college in the summer and Christmas break while his parents are at work in their living room and is equal in every other way so far to a system with a lower price, and last but not least, I probably wont be using an excuse once the PS3 gets some good games because I will buy one. I'm not going to waste 600 bucks for something to sit in a box for a few months. Should have invested the money you bought the PS3 with into a share of Microsoft stock or something. Got a little bit of interest off of it for some extra bucks....

OOOOOOSH

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> do*

quilliry

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> i didnt pay the money for the warranty because honestly, i didnt think my 360 would crap out.

and hell no i didnt mod, i dont even know how to that shit. my 360 would get banned anyway

quilliry

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Toasticus:

Ok I'm wrong I admit it, but that proves SmilingPolitely's point that the box has gone into a regression. There's no reason for this from any company, Sony included. The suppliers owe it to the consumers to provide the best product they possibly can and despite their "superior help line" that's not what MS is doing.

alucard_0007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> My 360 died last week. Got it in March 06. Funny, for a while, I thought I was one of the lucky ones. Of the entire time I've owned it, it only froze once before crapping out. And that was a week after I bought it. Remember kids, ..It CAN happen to you.

romBox

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OOOOOOSH: I personally use my PS3 daily. Also this 360 problem is a hell of a lot worse than the DRE problem, atleast in my eyes. I never had a DRE problem, I still have my launch PS2. I bought an Elite and returned it within 2 days. It just wasn't for me. Instead of sitting their ranting like a fanboy why not just realize that everyone has preferences in gaming, and why not sit back and enjoy your purchase instead of ranting.

BigPete7978

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I'm on my second 360 since I first got one September last year. Hopefully MS gets its act together on the 65nm consoles.

@alucard_0007: What are you talking about? The original Xbox didn't even have a ring of light, so it couldn't go RRoD. And those things were tanks, man. The only problem they ever had was a power supply recall, where MS would replace your power supply for free if it was affected.

Toasticus

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Don't believe him? He's got audio proof of a phone call with an MS service rep who verifies his history of 360 troubles.

Is there anyone left who wouldn't believe him? I don't understand. You write as if it's still a topic for debate; I think everyone's pretty much been on the same page with regards to the 360 hardware reliability for quite some time.

@Marasai: I don't dispute the 360 is fragile, but when one guy goes through 12 of soemthing, ANYTHING...you have to wonder how many pof those were his fault.

You're familiar, no doubt, with the concept of statistical outliers, right? 11 million units, ~15% failure rate +/- depending on how close you are to the equator, etc. Not hard to imagine a handful of people out there in the 10+ range.

OneFreeMan

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @OOOOOOSH:

I'm really curious to see what argument gets used once the games start coming because that's the only thing you ever say. A library of games means shit if you're always sitting around waititng for a replacement.

alucard_0007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> The problem is if your 360 breaks and you send it back to M$ for repairs or replacement, the one you get will will more than likely break and be sent back as well. M$ needs to stop sending out refurbs and band-aiding broken 360 and actually get at the heart of the problem. If your 360 breaks you are better off trying to fix it yourself it you don't want to have to deal with Customer Service many more times in the future.

Hellsing

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I gave up after my third as well, and ended up buying a PS3. It's really rediculous, and I can't believe how little coverage this gets.

Blackmagik55

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Someone should do a study of Xbox 360 'fans' and people that are susceptible to domestic abuse. Results wouldn't surprise me at all, but might shock the 'fans'.

The 360 doesn't mean to hit me!

I must be feeling retro watching THE SPEED STAR music video right now. Amuro in the hizzouse. This is just to throw you off.

Mongoosekun

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @alucard_0007: What other problems? Since when is having a library of good games a problem?

OOOOOOSH

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> but to be honest. I would not be surprised if the reason for the bricking was firmware related. I've only heard bricking stories from people that are on xbox live a lot (ie those that have to update to use live)

My unit was working fine up until maybe 2 weeks ago when I did my first update. and before it bricked this past weekend it had updated again.

would not be surprised!

epionx111

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> lol at the Sony fanboys saying everyone just needs to give up on the 360 and buy a reliable PS3. Did you quit playing the PS2 and buy and Xbox last gen? I doubt it. Granted the 360 craps out a little more than the PS2, but nothing was more annoying than spending the entire time you planned on playing a game trying to get the system to read the disc. That was ridiculous. If and when my 360 craps out, I'll send it in and have it back within 10 days. It will be a fixed problem in the near future, and like someone said above, though this guys 360 has crapped out on him 12 times, he has probably still got more use out of it than anyone with a PS3 (I'm not talking about watching Blue Ray movies here either....).

OOOOOOSH

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> man, 1 is too many.

but I think microsoft is doing a great job with their hardware support. my unit that bricked 2 days ago was one of the original release shipments back in 2005 and it's being serviced under warranty.

epionx111

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @SmilingPolitely:

we're certainly seeing a regression, but I don't know that the original xbox was all that sturdy either. I seem to recall it had alot of RRoD problems. At least the original didn't have all these other problems to go along with it.

alucard_0007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Twelfth? As in he actually had eleven 360s die on him... and he's still supporting them? I think at that point, I'd just start giving my money to the local homeless people to use as toilet paper.

Yeah. Like jacksons98 said, that guy is an idiot. One with amazing amounts of patience and persistence, but an idiot nonetheless.

mphz

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Well after reading a lot of comments of people with lots of 360 with RLOD, im one of the few lucky ones that have a CORE X360 made in 2006-02-19, and it hasnt gave mayor issues, the casual disc stuck, but nothing serious, of course im always checking how hot is the console, and when its gets too hot i stop playing...

TOCATL

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> That's fucked up, y'all. People on thier 3rd, 4th, 6th, 12th? Sweet sweet succulent baby Jesus. Doesn't this cause anyone else concern? Six hundred bucks for a chunk of entertainment that has a (if we are to believe what people say) decent chance of breaking. No wonder I haven't gotten a launch system of any recent-gen console.

I remember when the worst that would happen to your system is that you'd have to occasionally blow on the cartridge.

Kayin

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @olion597: The funny thing is, we're actually seeing a regression with the 360. I mean, wasn't reliability one of the good things about the original Xbox? What happened there?

SmilingPolitely

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> This guy is an idiot, no way I would still be a fan. The first defect I might just blow off as chance, but after the second or third I'd be pissed.

jacksons98

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I feel like I'm a rarity. I've had my 360 for over a year now, and it still works perfectly. I've only gotten a "red ring" once, and it was cause of a power surge during a lightning storm :)

By the way, swearing off XBL would be horrible... Xbox Live is wonderful :D

Limey

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I'm still interested in buying 360, but seeing horror stories like this once a week is what's putting me off. I've had terrible luck with consoles in the past few years. I'm currently on my fourth DS and my third PS2. My Wii isn't working all that great either with long-ass loading times in between channels and just recently, artifacting. I'm sure my 360 death record would exceed this guy's.

edgey

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Marasai:
I hope your not seriously trying to blame the consumer for the 360's problems. Im not saying that people are incapable of damaging thier 36o's, but come on. after 5 consoles you gotta ask yourself if its really his fault and after 11 consoles you have to accept that it is MS fault

Noks415

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @olion597: man, you're a forgiving soul. at that.

any word on the new chipset? they get that out by the holidays (with halo 3 bundles) that'd really do them some good in this department.

TheIrishNinja

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Yetanotheruninspiredscreename:
None of my 360s were ever taken online and I've still had faults, so that's ruled out in my case.

Nobuyuki

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I like the 360 because of the games. If it craps out and they replace it, I'm okay with that. It's really in MS's best interest to get the console running smoothly, because shipping and repairing must be costing them and arm and a leg.

As for the console crapping out, does anyone know if there's still problems? Most people who say their's died also have the early systems.

And I would like to add that, although I've experienced no problems with my Wii or my PS3, they're also not getting any play-time. Well, the Wii is because I'm playing Wind Waker, but the majority of my gaming remains on the 360.

I'm not saying that I'm expecting problems, I'm saying that I own a game console to play games, and the Wii/PS3 aren't delivering...yet.

Islandkiwi

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Yetanotheruninspiredscreename: Really there is no point in owning a 360 if your not going online to play with it. The whole console and its games are geared for online play.

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @Torgo:

:) LOL that had me in stitches.

"Nip down to Tesco and get me a six pack love...oh and make sure it's the one that comes with lost planet" boom! boom!

penhalion

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Actually, in the end all these failures are going to be worth it. When Microsoft fails at something with their console usually they put a lot of effort into fixing the problem (for the next gen anyways). This happened with the controller, the original Xbox controller was gigantic, then came the S controller which was ok. Then the 360 controller came and has the best form factor of any of the controllers.

When the Xbox 3 comes out, chances are it'll be the most indestructible console out there. Microsoft will not let this kind of thing happen again, and if they do, that's $400-$500 they're not getting from me.

olion597

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> 12 consoles is way too many. I can accept the fact that eletronics break from time to time, but something is seriously wrong with the xbox360. I dont say anything bad about other consoles because they all have their pros and cons. MS has some explaining to do, they need to fix this problem because it might really affect their sales. it can get stuck with the stigma of being a really shoddy product especially when compared to the PS3 and the Wii

Noks415

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I dont care how unreliable the 360 is, REPEATEDLY PAYING FOR DEFECTIVE HARDWARE MAKES YOU A RETARD! Or maybe you just have too much money and not enough sense. If people really wanted to send Microsoft a message, they would put their money where their mouths is and just stop buying the fucking thing, as they probably make more money selling "refurbs" than they do selling new systems, and you idiots just buy right into it, making your complaints completely invalid. This dumbass should`ve learned his lesson after the second console broke. I have less than zero sympathy for people who knowingly support shoddy service. I hear they have this crazy invention called OTHER GAMING SYSTEMS.

The day my 360 gets bricked is the day it goes in the garbage. It`s fun, but I also have a life outside video games and would could find a way to live without achievement points.

muffinbum

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Question is using the xbox 360 online a common occureance among those having to send in the unit multiple times?

Seems like a lot of the people having xbox 360 die on them are the xbox live users. Perhaps those who get the replacements should swear off online for a year and see if the replacement console dies.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Lesson #1:

Don't rely on Microsoft's warranty, you aren't getting a new Xbox 360.

Karttikeya

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> This blows me away. I know hardware failure is quite common with the X360, but 12 consoles for one individual? Yikes!

I've had my 360 over a year now without any real troubles. The worst issue I have encountered is a rechargable battery pack for the controller dying after less than 2 weeks of use.

I should consider myself lucky.

j.miller

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> @quilliry: So according to you, you turned down a FREE replacement of your broken console, because you did not wish to be disappointed?

That's some pretty messed up logic. You could have gotten the replacement console, and sold it on craigslist or ebay, and used that money for a Wii.

Either that, or you're simply taking a few liberties with the truth, like maybe you cracked the console open to mod it perhaps? Seems a little more plausible.

Calavera302

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> HAHAHAHAHA. That's just too good. This should be Sony's ad slogan. For an extra $200 you can buy a PS3 that is guaranteed to last or get the cheaper 360 that you'll have to exchange about 3 weeks later. But no worries, that's why you can fork over another $30 for each new 360 warranty.

But seriously, you can't keep writing this off as "bad luck" when virtually 90% of the 360 owning community has problems. Sooner or later you have to call it what it is: faulty manufacturing.

alucard_0007

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I guess I'm a lucky one... have had mine since launch. No problems.

Perhaps the plug he is using is malfunctioning the system. I don't know.

A dozen just sounds ludicrous to me. Epically since I'm still on my first.

Smeer516

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I've had my 360 for almost a year, and no significant problems. but man, every time a game freezes it scares the shit out of me. if it breaks I just hope it's before August, while it's still under warranty. knowing my luck it'll give me the red rings the day after my warranty expires.

kromekoran

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> It's because of this that I didn't buy a 360 yet. When Microsoft makes this system reliable, i'll certainly jump in.

Lider

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Only one more reason to go with good old Nintendo. Even IF the XBOX 360 were actually the best console on the market (which it isn't), I'd rather go with the console that actually lets me PLAY games anydays over the defective one that just gives me the red death ring.

Hyrule Outlaw

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> after my friends red ringed last week/yesterday (he someow fixed it, it broke again) my 360 decided to freeze during Just Cause, then on live marketplace, then startup, now red-ringing.

online error code reports seem to say its either gpu, or cack soldering...

gonna spend alot of time on phone 2moro *(sigh)*

bodger1

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> i gave up after the first, it's simply unacceptable, a game consoles quality needs to meet certain standards

my fuking ps1 still works.

having a working launch day 360 is like having a working model-t.

and thats discraceful

so, when my 360 broke, i didnt even bother to replace it only to have it break again.

it really dissapointed me, i loved my 360, but when it broke, i just dropped it and waited for the ps3 to come out.

and when you think about it the ps3 is really the better console.

it's hardware is more advanced, it doesnt have a 99.99% failure rate. it's got alot of good games coming out.

actually, i've just sided with nintendo because the wii is a good console, it's fun, it's cheap, it works, and its got good games comin out to.

the 360 just needs to drop out because this faliure rate is going to bite them in the fukin ass.

i have a ps3, and im gonna get a wii soon, i was skeptical about the wii at first, with it's low grade graphics, but when you have the ps3 to make up for that then it really doesnt matter.

microsoft had better pick up thier shit right now if they want to loose these casual 360 owners, and only leave the die hard fasboys, because they will surely loose if that happend

quilliry

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> For all that trouble MS should give him an Elite... damn.. where's the customer service.

Thomaticus

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> It's so weird that 12 console have broken for him, yet I'm still on my launch 360 and I even modded mine... Some people have bad luck I suppose

Lot Krotan

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> After my 3rd 360 I finally gave up, I traded it in bought my wife a Pink DS Lite and some games for her and for my PS3.

woodywood09

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> single handedly the no. 1 reason i haven't bought a 360 and it would be the last console i will purchase this generation.

dadeisvenm

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Thank god mine's doing fine. I think we all know at this point it generally has to do with overheating. MS needs to spend more time & money stress testing before launching a console.

Nexus6

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Seriously, these people with 12+ dead 360s have got to be doing something wrong. Most people don't have 12 dead 360s, so one must assume that the only difference between them two of them is the owner. I don't dispute the 360 is fragile, but when one guy goes through 12 of soemthing, ANYTHING...you have to wonder how many pof those were his fault.

Marasai

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Well I can see the future of these comments, but really, is microsoft doing anything to make their systems function properly.

jive238

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Good point on the first comment on 1up.

Are the Xbox 360 console sales numbers including the amount of consoles given as replacements?

ClosedAccountDueToErrorsAshCouldn'tFix

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> damn this dude probably spent less time playing his 360 than I have playing my ps3. gotta love the commitment of a fan that won't give up kudos for him but 13 is a bad number lets hope it doesn't get to that ...

OniMirage

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Twelve is just too many, I would have given up after the third.

Avinash_Tyagi

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Thats what happens, 360s break... one hell of alot. I guess I should be lucky im only on my 3rd one in seven months time?

AnonUserAnonymous

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> That was interesting to read. I really want to know more about the one that exploded though.

cheesecake000

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I'm sorry but why do people seem to stick by this company with the consoles dropping like flies? I just can't seem to understand it. I understand that the 360 has some great titles already out and coming out for it, but this kind of hardware failure is inexcusable.

BigPete7978

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Is it me or did you guys post this before not too long ago?

Dr. Snuggle Bunny

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Although mine broke, Im still happy with the fact that they replaced it... Although the one that I got back's disc tray doesn't come out so well. (Have to hit/tap the side of my 360 like 3 times before it opens.)

Seven Is Darker

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> I personally am on my 4th, soon to be 5th 360 since launch. Two for overheating, one defective harddrive and now my latest is scratching discs. I don't often have hardware issues, I'm never abusive and always mindful of cooling issues. I had my first PSOne for 5 years and my first PS2 for 6, and even my Wii and PS3 work without problem, but I'm very nearly swearing off the 360 because this kind of attrition is inexcusable. If you're still on your first then I'm glad for you, but people aren't just making these stories up, Microsoft still has very serious hardware issues to sort out.

Nobuyuki

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Things Break

They should sell 360's in a 6-pack. One dies, you throw it away and crack another one open.

Torgo

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> God, I left Sony because my PS2 had so many issues, and the Xbox was damn near indestructible. Now it seems they've traded places, though I still love my 360 to death, and no problems yet (fingers crossed).

olion597

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Two of my coworkers had their xbox break in the last week.

I still love my 360 though.

Cutedge

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> Great customer service, means its ok to sell lemons.

Kyle81

]]> <![CDATA[A Dozen Xbox 360s, One Man's Tale Of Woe]]> well it doesn't really matter right?
things break from time to time right?
I mean the important thing is that we have really good customer service, and boxes lots and lots of boxes.......right?

Violater

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