kunio

p*ssies.

RocketChump

Touche`

:-p

Anyways, Nintendo and Sony are being a little over critical about Adults Only games not being on their systems, (and I am sure MSFT will cop out and make the same stand since Moore was quoted as wanting to kiddify the 360 more as well).

EnigmaNemesis

Listen, I've said it once and I'll say it again, If you have a problem with it, DON'T BUY IT! If your worried about kids getting their hands on it and becoming vicious killers, don't worry, that really doesn't happen. I've been playing games since wolefenstein 3d, doom, duke nukem, hell, dune 2. And me? shit, I have no urge to kill people, fuck, I don't even like hurting people, In fact, I'm probably one of the the most sensitive guys you'll ever meet, I loathe violence. Btw, I am 19 and live in new york. Any women out there, call me ;).

Now, here's some food for thought. This is a taboo subject, so I'll just come out and say it. Rape pornography has been on the rise, in the meantime however, there has been a decrease in actual rape. I read this in a popualar book series named opposing viewpoint. You can google its and find dozens of books that have been released lately, so it's not like this is 15 year old knowledge or soemthing.

To finish my idea, Games don't make violent people, if anything, they are at best a spark to an alreadly fucked up life, they have other problems. However, if ignorant people that just want to treat a symptom get what they want, they arn't going to fix any actual causes. Again, I'm an example of how video games DO NOT cause violence. So for all these reasons, I say we make a petition demanding this horrible gory game get released.

-Kevin C.

nighthawk3729

And yes, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft control what games are released for their platforms because publishers make agreements (including paying licensing fees for each game) to get the development kits. This is been how it has been for more than 20 years.

The PC is different, since its a very open platform. Most AO games are for the PC (most publishers making adult games won't bother getting a rating though).

Also, BMX-XXX is more like a poor quality B-movie with a lof of T&A but still an R-rating.

DoomPlague

PlaidNinja

velvet396

Its just like:
M: For adults only
OA: Either porn or absolutly sick perverted f*ck.

In Germany there are several "Mature" ratings as well.

18+: Widely avaidable in all stores to adults
Index 1: Only avaidable in video games stores. Public display prohibited.
Index 2: Prohibited. Selling and buying theese games is illegal. An example for this rating is Manhunt 1.

Gremory

vamp07

Where is the insane backlash?

Seems to me that the reaction to this game is calm and measured.
And if you took the time to read the rulings from the BBFC and others, you'd see what exactly it is about the game they have problems with, and very few people seem to be touching upon this.

Cruithne

zoeannb7

Still, I'm really having a hard time conceptualizing what could possibly be so unfathomably terrible about this game's content to have such an insane backlash against it.

Blah8

couldn't rockstar just put in a hidden code for the full version somewhere?

man I really hate censorship!

Teekan

sweetie55

@The_PoT:
Different country, different standards of decency, and it's much less explicit in its content than Manhunt even if it involves touching moe-fied girls in funny places.

maikeru

Toad

danjonwig

The_PoT

Toad

but, let it be known, you dont have to be excited about a particular game to be upset by censorhip. if you hadnt considered that principle, you may be an idiot, tho im willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

TheIrishNinja

Facts are:

1) if you bought a Wii for one game. ONE game. You are in fact, an idiot.
2) If you bought a Wii for THIS game. THIS one game only. You are, indeed, an idiot.
3) Nintendo stated this rule a long time ago, and haven't suddenly made it up. They're sticking to their code, so have some respect, since lots of companies don't do that. Sure, Nintendo has done hypocratic things before, I guess (I don't really have a solid thing on that, but hey, shut-up, I'm ranting) but this is their rule, so deal with it.
4) Some of us wanted Manhunt 2, some of us didn't. So, to distract you're attention from this topic, MS fanboys, just shaddup and wait for Halo 3, Darkness, and Stranglehold. Nintendo Fanboys, wait for Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, and other games that they're beefing up for you on the horizon. Sony fanboys...well....hello there.
5) Many of the flamers on here will forget this whole topic ever even happened in about a week. Deny it if you will, then come back to us in a week and we'll ask.
6) If you got beef with the rating, tell ESRB to rid the AO rating in general, since it's only separated from the M rating's age field by one measly year. If they want to rate games, make a new rating. Perhaps "X"? With enough people, you can make it happen, that's how this game got banned from UK, so that's how you can do it. *clap clap* get to work.
7) I'm doing too many, so I'll cut it short. Don't bash the Nintendo/Sony people, they're doing their jobs and looking out for their butts. Nintendo isn't kiddie for it, as they're known to release violent games, though I myself agree that they should start making up a bigger selection to where M games can be in the mass of games too. Look at PS2's gaming library.
8) If you're going to bash 2 game companies, or a game company, or a rating busininess (in which you haven't directly expressed the rating thing) even though said companies have given us years of memories and entertainment...then you are, in fact, an idiot. Hate to sound cruel, I really do, but the facts remain. And that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Thanks, I'm here til Thursday.

Mesren_Makai

Zunnoab

Garcian-Smith

Subcon

krockin

Let's recap:

Nintendo has never allowed AO rated games.
Sony has never allowed AO rated games.
Microsoft has never allowed AO rated games.
Take-Two/Rockstar will not publish an AO rated game.

And no major retailers will sell an AO rated game.

The exception to these is ofcourse the Hot Coffee situation but that was an accident that was quickly remedied. So please everyone get off Nintendo's back. It would be pointless to demand that they allow it because not only would no one sell it but it would create unwanted backlash.

Chances are that Rockstar will modify the game to get an M-rating.

DoomPlague

TheIrishNinja

Now if only they would adopt similar policies regarding buggy, unfinished games.

James in Dupont

supercrap

prawnmatic

Gamemaster

Heihachi.vs.Kazuya

modifiedbears

And that will definitely take time, video games are just not as ubiquitous as other media.

baxterpunch

kaze_neko

Ace_of_Sevens

The world is no different without Manhunt.

Xbudz

As a result of Japan's acceptance of virtual child molestation, it is not a valid argument to compare one form of virtual evil against another?

Give me a break.

Grimspoon

@Codexx:

Sony is refusing this game as well you hypocrite!

Avinash_Tyagi

Runna

If rock star did this and nintendo punished them then I think that would be a problem yet I think nintendo is using the "this is rockstars problem" We gave them a license and what ever they make they reap the out come. LOL this is funny but that 50 million MS just gave them is going right out the door...LOL As they may try to fight this yet if they do release this then I'm sure the legal system will want more money then this.

Really though I though no one liked the first man hunt? where da hell did you guys come from ? Hell it did get a high rating though...LOL I say rock star should do it! Direct ordering! No one likes buying porn in person any way...LOL

Runna

Melenor

With formats like DVD and VHS before it there was nothing that prohibited AO content and if games are to be considered anything more than toys and to be respected as a valid entertainment for adults (which is a large percentage of gamers) this stuff has to stop. Thats my 2 cents.

Konchu

AO games are nothing but a PR headache, not to mention that none of the main retailers will sell the game because it's against their policy too.

This game looked like it was going to be a pile of shit anyways.

Now, I'm off to play Resident Evil 4 on my Wii with it's sprinkled instances of the word "shit".

AnEternalEnigma

Runna

Man I just saw a mag scan of the guy sitting there shanking up sodas on the can...LOL Oh man

[gonintendo.com]

LOL Now the text covers the bad parts...LOL WOW things are getting crazy man! I really didn't need masturbation and stalking mutilation in my games?

Hey if it floats your boat then cool. Now good old chopping off arms is cool though and actually quite healty if said arm has gain green!

Runna

EmeraldDragon

Gamemaster

Do you think it would be easy enough for the average person to get the game, or able to get enough sells that way?

I'm asking because I don't know, I'm curious if any medium or large company could actually make it worthwhile to sell an AO game when the biggest sellers wouldn't carry it.
If I ever go back to the States I may look around to see how easy or hard it is, but that's going to be a very long time from now.
---------

Gamemaster.
One looks just as foolish insulting a fool as the fool does doing what he does.

Kenofthedead

Toad

Nintendo isn't being "kiddy" they're sticking to their rules, as are Sony. Is Sony "kiddy"? No, but Nintendo is even though they're doing the same as Sony.

Everyone, all of you, I hate your stupidity.

Gamemaster

Only thing I ever had that was rated AO was Lula 3D and that was a digital download from the publisher's website. I have had several non rated games as well as PC games that with a patch disc you ordered from the company would go up to a 17 plus rating but that was from the Babbage's, Electronic's Boutique store era of the early to mid 90s. Most I have had to order online from small specility shops.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

No, I don't want to give him ammunition with would enable him to gain leverage in his crusade to stop all violent "video" games.
What has happened here is that decisions have been made, for good sound objective reasons, not his divinely inspired insane crusade.

The argument isn't circular at all, it's accepting that we need control and censorship, and that this being so, it's better that it is sound people like the BBFC and others hwo are doing it, as opposed to the JTs of this world.

Him and his ilk want games like this to be released, because it gies them a pretext for arguing that all games are the same.

I'd much rather one game every ten years recieved an AO rating than ninety percent of games being prevented from ever seeing store shelves.
the argument that everything is permissable and no game should ever be censored is not an reasoned adult response.
I prefer to leave the hysteria to the likes of JT, and show that the gaming community can be objective and self critical where needed.

Cruithne

jive238

CanadianZero

Microsoft would do this as well. Atari, SEGA-Sammy, Phillips, 3DO, and the rest would do it as well if they had systems.
Bloody hell the Phantom wouldn't get the game either for the same reason.

The majour stores, online and off, don't carry AO titles and most likely never will. So why cry over Sony or another company (because Sony is doing it as well), when you couldn't buy the game anyroad?

The real funny thing is the testers who have played it seem to think the game isn't all that good.

People yelling "damn Nintendo" for doing this, grow up and learn the business. It's fine if you don't like a company using it's freedom of control on their product, but understand this is hardly the first time an act has ever been done and won't be the last.

After all, how many of you actually have AO games to play with?
How many of you have ever seen an AO rated game in a store?

Kenofthedead

MJDeviant

Oh and no one give me any of that bullshit about "well it's their system, they can do what they want" because I really don't wanna hear it.

TwilightKing

itcomesinwaves

FP_slomo788

In this case, I'm guessing they didn't compromise the violence in any way, and that the other scenes are well beyond the border of taste by anyone's standards. The idea of castrating someone with a pair of pliers is just a tad much, I think, not even taking other methods of murder and torture into consideration (sawing someone's head in half slowly and painfully, brutal maiming and etc.), especially when there's not the suspension of disbelief you get in other games that lessens the impact of what's on screen, i.e. Mortal Kombat was pretty gory, but it was also highly exaggerated in every way--A person cannot pull someone's head off of their neck with the spine cord intact, and when hit with an uppercut, they don't spurt blood from their entire body in every direction.

maikeru

@Hyrule_Outlaw: Never understand why youre so eager to get yourself banned again.

TheIrishNinja

DVD makers do decide what dvds are acceptable. They have region codings and even other detections they can put in. There are dvd players on the market that will not play certain dvds if they do not have a ratings encoding or if they are encoded with a certain encoding.

Both Samsung and Sony do get to decide what you can play on your tv. The upcoming technologies allow them implicit control to do so.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

Actually, a better comparison is the Betamax tape or the BluRay discs. Those are closed hardware JUST like a video game system. And guess what, they DON'T MAKE PORN on those media formats. I guess it's censorship cause I can't watch porn at a theater or on my Bluray player? DVD Player = PC; Betamax = Bluray = Wii.

Grow up. It's called market forces. It's called a free economy. If the market didn't work like that Nike would still be raping little kids in China to make their shoes. The rest is all perspective.

The better question here is WHY Walmart will sell an unrated American Pie DVD but not sell an AO rated video game? Why don't you all agree to boycott them instead?

vinnchan

People like him aren't nintendo fanboys. Ninfanboys wouldn't give a shit about this game anyways. They would be too busy playing Zelda or Mario.

Kemuri

Get your facts right. GTA:SA AO version was pulled from the store shelves the PS2 version you couldn't access the hot coffee stuff and later printings had the game code removed. Sony allowed an M rated game not AO. They do not allow AO games on their consoles.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

FP_slomo788

Maybe we can get that game banned too. That would be good for gaming, right?

Campion of Drymouth

In a country ruled heavily by perception and conformity as Japan, this ruling projected on them would be like saying it's ok to sexually assault minors but not kill people. In the chain of importance, I guess I could see why pretending to be a murderer in a game is less offensive pedophile. I'm sure few people would object to killing a pedophile which is why the fucking moral compass seems to be sitting on a big ass magnet called politics these days (everywhere).

okenny

I guess I simply disagree on a fundamental level with the notion that the provider of a means by which media is consumed ought to have power over the content of that media.

Does Samsung get to decide what gets played on their TVs? Does Sony get to tell you what DVDs you get to watch? Does a paper mill dictate what books you get to read? Does Kodak determine what pictures you take?

Then why should Nintendo/Sony/MS dictate what video games you get to play?

Perhaps this is more a fundamental flaw in the industry in general and the relationship between console manufacturers and game developers.

Any way you slice it, it's bullshit.

OneFreeMan

It's called a warning. Everyone in the videogame industry knows AO is the kiss of death so they desperatly avoid planning the game with conent that would get an AO rating. There is a science to it and most game makers implicity know where the line in the sand is in regards to how close they can get to AO with it still being in M rated terriority.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

This is bullshit. It's nonsense to support a political agenda. Didn't Nintendo include parental controls on the Wii? then fucking use them and stop trying to tell the 18+ crowd what they can and can't play. The double standard is blatant. I gurantee you won't see this kind of noise when GTAIV drops...

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

I think this is a similar issue in Manhunt and I wouldn't be surprised if they resolved it in the same manner.

Elsmooth

They will not release the game on the pc since an AO rated pc game is not carried in stores. It's still a death sentence. Name the AO rated pc games notice something interesting not one sold higher then 25,000 copies in the states.

Rockstar is going to either win the appeal or cut the game down. heck they probably planned this to get more publicity. They will provide the real retail version in a few weeks get it rated M, get it allowed into the UK and Ireland and Australia. Net result will be tons of free advertising. People will still buy the M game in droves especially if Rockstar works the angle the cuts in content were so minor they basically hoodwinked the rating agencies.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

Commenting objectively here.

baxterpunch

And your comment honestly read like just another one of the many in this thread that scream "Nintendo's kidding for not selling AO games!"

TRT-X

Apreche

If you put an NC-17 movie in your DVD player, will it appear on the screen?

Yes.

So companies are still free to put out NC-17 movies if they freely choose, and consumers are able to watch those NC-17 movies if they freely choose.

As it stands, companies are not free to put out AO rated games, and consumers are not free toplay them.

So the two situations are not equivalent. Period.

OneFreeMan

Nintendo and Sony probably should have known better, but I think Rockstar's still at fault more than the console manufacturers for putting out something that would deserve this kind of rating. I wonder how they'll respond to this.

maikeru

Darkest Daze

LowerHouseMember

Eternal Darkness.

I rest my case.

Toad

Not really. Nintendo, MS, and Sony do not control every video game ever made. There is still the PC, and if Rockstar wanted to release this game on the PC, they could.

As long as there is still one DVD or VCR to play that NC-17 movie, then you can't qualify it as full on censorship.

Believe me, man, I wanna be all huffy puffy soapbox stander on this one, too, but companies also have rights. And they are currently flexing them. They don't have to release shit if they don't want to.

And if you think Nintendo cares about what you think as opposed to the 50 gabillion pansy parents out there, you are crazy.

baxterpunch

This isn't the first time a game garnered an AO before cuts made it an M, remember Punisher a couple years ago? One more thing, for everyone crying about Nintendo censorship, buy a copy of BMX XXX for the cube and play the only version of the game that went uncensored...that's right titties and all.

Elsmooth

"Then you don't have any place on this post. Listen why don't you shut up, ok? You were going to sell you Wii and yet held on to it fot the chance to play this one game? Really? And you think Metroid, Smash Bros, and all the other really good games are hardly worth holding unto it? Wow. Man you must be stupid ..."

Wow, Ninty fanboys are a hostile bunch. I've already stated, in this very thread, that I was also holding onto the console for Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime. But I don't think owning a grossly overpriced console for 2 games that will most likely be released after a price drop is worth it.

Sloopydrew

Incorrect an NC-17 movie is not carried by most retail establishements as either a buyable video or even a rental. Still kills it. Also most tv channels do not show nc-17 content. Very limited in making money and the market it can be sold in is often oversaturated so a filmmaker will delibertly aim for a hard r-rating rather then get a nc-17.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

Agreed. People are idiots, and seem to just want to hate on Nintendo when given the chance. Even if it's a completely retarded reason. Listen to me people, AO games are the videogame equivilent to Porn, and besides Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony don't want to deal with the shit supporting an AO game may bring. So please stop with the hating and Shut up!!!

Kemuri

Hahaha.

So, basically you want to give him what he wants so he doesn't have a reason to argue for getting what he wants?

Yah. That makes a ton of sense and isn't circular in any way.

OneFreeMan

RonJeremy4Pres

I didn't see this coming NIN should have expected a rating like this, how is this a way to show that nintendo is not just for kids? that attitude really pisses me off. now there is a line (maybe it was always there, but i didn't want to accept it)... when ever i want to become a man i just have to stop playing nintendo...

sooo whats the best offer i can get to buy a xbox 360?

powerdude

TRT-X,

I was a big fan of the GameCube (owned two of them) and the RE games for the 'Cube. I've supported Nintendo from the start (as I stated). It's only been with the fanatically kid-oriented Wii that I've turned. Anyway, whatever. If you want to call me names, that's your prerogative. As a Nintendo fan the Wii has been hugely disappointing to me and, as far as I'm concerned, a GameCube with gimmick and a crazy amount of mini-games. This Manhunt 2 decision was, as I've already stated, just the last straw. But it wasn't the straw that broke the camel's back -- I've been thinking about getting rid of the Wii for a long time. This Manhunt 2 thing just made up my mind. And liking games such as Elder Scrolls IV, Dead Rising, Metal Gear Solid and Gears of War doesn't make me "immature" as a gamer. It actually means I've grown up. If MS or Sony only released variations of ONE genre, as Nintendo has essentially started doing with the Wii, I'd be just as negative in regards to them. The Wii is a party machine/family fun center/mini-game factory. If Nintendo wants a broad audience, they need a much, much, much broader selection of games.

Sloopydrew

Mature games are available on Wii. Rated for everybody 17+.

So unless 17+ translates to "Ages 17 to 17 and 364 days", I think all age groups are covered.

God some people just want to hear themselves bitch.

TRT-X

Um, no. Japan's censoriship of pornography is much greater than in the West and Doki Doki is far from being an h-game. And in h-games, as with all porn in Japan, those genitals "on display" are all pixelated by law.

Kuraudo

Umm, the difference is that a movie theatre not carrying a movie doesn't prevent it being seen by consenting adults who still want to consume the entertainment. How is it not different?

How does the fact that both things involve a "company" somehow make them equal? One involves the media not being available in certain venues, the other involves it not being available at all.

OneFreeMan

They will not put the game on the pc as a AO rating since that would mean a death sentence on retail sales. They aren't going to throw away their chance to make money.

As for AO games on the PS2 name them!!! There are no AO games on the ps2 in Japan. Japan doesn't use the ESRB rating system.

Z-rated games are sold behind store counters but you have to ask for them and guess what even then 99.999 that could don't do z-rated games.

For those complaining about the Doki Doki game that is rated C meaning a high Teen rating not AO not M. So shut your fucking faces not even Microsoft would release AO games on it's systems because they want to make money off the games being put on their system plus it would cause them to recieve a shitstorm of hate.

Rockstar brought this on themselves. This Nintendo hate needs to fucking stop right now!!!

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

Your an idiot. Sony is doing the same thing. In fact almost no console would ever support an AO game. It's just bad business.

Kemuri

The "no AO games" policies exist to stop publishers from creating a lot of porn games and trying to sell them on the system, but when it's a major publisher with a game they happily supported since its announcement this looks pretty bad.

Kuraudo

doki doki is a japanese released game. From a place where you can walk into non-otaku shops and see H games, with genitals, and everything on display on store shelves. It is part of the culture, and frankly unlike America, or the UK, they don't have the same social stigma about sex that we do.

Manhunt, is a game about violent killing. Not war-type killing, where people can take multiple bullets and still survive, it is sadistic killing, like Postal. There are very few games of it's ilk on shelves in the UK or US because very few publishers want to touch such things.

Doki Doki is 20 to a penny in it's native home. Manhunt is one title in very few others to be released that features such gratuitous violence.

Try to get your brains in gear before you make such comparisons, and stop trying to protect rockstar. Wal*Mart gets lobbied by religious groups far more powerful in terms of spending power than a bunch of teens posting on a blog, that'd probably pirate it anyway given half a chance. They know how their bread is buttered. Similarly every publisher knows that an AO rating is death to their game in the US.

Rockstar took the gamble whether it'd be AO or Mature, and they lost. It's now up to them whether they whine as much as you guys do, or whether they remake the game to something more acceptable. But your informed bitching about the ESRB, WalMart, Nintendo, Sony or the BBFC won't have an ounce of difference.

AndyboyH

I'm not for or against anything here, just viewing it objectively. I neither own a Wii or regularly "hunt men."

baxterpunch

"Nintendo should just admit they don't give a crap about adult gamers who enjoy adult games and be done with it."

Then Sony and Microsoft may as well admit the same thing. It's NOT JUST NINTENDO. Sony and Microsoft HAVE THE SAME EXACT POLICY when it comes to AO rated games. So if you're not going to play games on consoles because they don't have an AO game, why don't you just stop being a gamer completely?

Hyrule Outlaw

I can't believe there are people here planning to sell their Wiis because of this. Grow up.

maikeru

But I don't expect logic to apply to you. You're an adult after all. You just want to see blood and sex. Because that's what being an adult is all about.

TRT-X

okenny

Now, England banning the game outright? I completely disagree with it and think it reprehensible. A company deciding to not carry the game? Thems the breaks.

I'm sure Hustler would love to be carried in your local Walmart, but well, it's not gonna happen.

baxterpunch

Kuraudo

baberg

This whole "adult gamers" thing always pisses me off. Why in god's name do some people insist that a game has to have excessive violence, sex, and language in order to appeal to "mature" adult audiences?

You'd think that's just feeding the gaming critics fire even more. That the mentality should be "adults want blood, breasts, and bleeps" or else it's just a childish waste.

Grow the hell up. You want to be an adult gamer? Act like one. As some people have even admitted, they didn't even WANT the game and are still up in arms. That's just looking for something to whine about.

TRT-X

This is a victory for gaming.

Rockstar pushed the envelope, and now we know where the limits are. Good.

Cruithne

Why put words in ones mouth?

And why speak for everyone?

You win at the netz!

EnigmaNemesis

Umm, first of all, there's a big difference between movie theatres not carrying a film and this.

A true analogy would be if NC-17 movies didn't work in DVD players or VCRs.

See the difference?

Secondly, the criteria used to judge a game AO and those used to judge a movie NC-17 are clearly totally inconsistent for no logical reason whatsoever.

So, yah. Fail.

OneFreeMan

Swift_

xiaNaix

Nintendo has an image to uphold.

Grimspoon

It is all about perspective!

Oh and before you get all emotional, I agree with most of your comments, was just playing with what you said, hence the SMILEY TONGUE!

EnigmaNemesis

If the Wii is targeting a broad audience, they would also like their games to target that same broad audience (all at the same time).

baxterpunch

At this point the game is sure to be cut down to M, but I hope that sometime in the future the real version gets leaked to the 'net so we can see what all the fuss was about.

LowerHouseMember

baberg

Seriously, if the witch-touching game was actually an underage-animated-child-raping game or something (I'm sure you can find some of those in Japan, but they'll be for PC) then you would have a fair point, but newsflash: it isn't. So please get out of the argument now before your brain starts to hurt.

I have to say I'm a bit disappointed that Nintendo and Sony have this policy but given that it's a general policy it seems fair enough to apply it in this case. I had no interest in this game, so it doesn't really affect me, but...

quen

That "niche" audience turned Dead Rising for the Xbox 360 into a bonafide hit. In a way, that same "niche" also grew the GTA franchise into the monster seller that it is today. Nintendo should just admit they don't give a crap about adult gamers who enjoy adult games and be done with it. I never bought the "Nintendo is kiddy" argument until the Wii. As I'm not a "kiddy," Nintendo has no place in my home anymore, in much the same way Nintendo has stated that Manhunt 2 has no place on their system.

Sloopydrew

Yes, because there just inst enough Sony hate on here! /rolleyes

Nintendo gets some displeasure from gamers, and my goodness this site is going to implode.

EnigmaNemesis

FSCK NINTENDO LAST STRAW SLAP IN THE FACE CENSORSHIP SELLING MY WII AO AND M SHOULD BE MERGED KIDDIE ESRB SUCKS

Did I cover most of it? You guys need to chill the frack out, seriously. It's a hobby.

baberg

Yah, if that death and destruction were real. We are still talking about video games here, right? Games? G A M E S? Maybe in among all the propaganda you forgot that they're different than, you know, REAL LIFE?

OneFreeMan

Applekid

/agree

EnigmaNemesis

Given that reality, analyze two facts:
1.) Releasing an AO game doesn't help them bring in previous non-gamers.
2.) Their competitors in the hard core markets won't necessarily publish the game if it's AO either.

These aren't people who traffic in your "respect". There's not a marketing veep in the world who gives a rat's ass if you've lost respect for them over this decision. Your respect doesn't add to the bottom line, and given the two points above, it's not likely the loss of your respect is gonna add to anyone else's.

eakolb

KiySeph

Quit being so overdramatic. Nintendo decides to blacklist a game you didn't want anyway and you're selling your Wii?

You realize that AO is an EXTREME rating for a game, right? Are you honestly going to say Nintendo's kiddy for only barring the very top tier of violent content?

The AO Rating is just as much a death bell for a game as is the NC-17 rating for movies. Are you going to stop going to movie theaters? Because you'll be hard pressed to find one that'll allow a NC-17 movie to play on their screens.

Moral of this story, get over it. Rockstar knew what they were putting on the line when they went ahead with production of Manhunt II. Yeah it sucks that maybe ratings have gotten more stricter, but that's just the way it happens.

TRT-X

Then no, that's not censorship, it's a company's freedom.

Like so many others trying to justify this, you're ignoring the ridiculous nature of the AO rating. The difference between a game that appeals to 17+ vs. one that appeals to 18+? Give me a fucking break.

It's censorship de facto. The AO rating was invented as a means to prevent a title's release. You can't argue that it's truly different from an 'M' game, so the only real difference is that some games are allowed to be made while others are not.

If the ratings board got rid of the AO rating, Nintendo would have no option but to accept all 'M' games.

It's all smoke and mirrors and I'm amazed by how many of you are buying it.

OneFreeMan

No console game has ever been AO, just because it is staying that way does not mean Nintendo is kiddy. You can bet the game will be made mature for ps2 and wii.

Zim

Marasai

VakeroRokero

Whatever. Never intended to pick it up anyway .

Maldron

Enjoy GTA IV: Barbie Dream Home you soulless panty-waists

Wouldn't the one who wants death and destruction, be considered "soulless" by definition?

:-p

EnigmaNemesis

Aitrus233

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

WTF Nintendo, I understand that Nintendo wants to help Video Games get their friendly image back, but all they've done so far is manage to let Jack Thompson Bully(pun kinda intended) the PlayStation and sometimes even the 360 because of having violent video games. I assume the disclaimer on their site is there because they NEVER in a million years thought a console game would be rated AO, and even if it WAS, Nintendo probably would have said no to a game with so much blood/sexual themes in the first place that by the time it gets rated, it's irrelevant.

I was originally opting for Rockstar to try to see what the problem was and try to appeal, but I think they'd better "water it down" a bit in a couple parts, then appeal/have it re-rated. I wouldn't mind it, but if the console owners are saying it's not a good thing to have an AO game, then they really should change it.

Codexx

Which is what the wii is targeting.

Uhh, no. You're contradicting yourself.

Just because the console targets a broad audience doesn't mean every game must. Appealing to a broad audience means releasing both "broad appeal" titles as well as "niche" ones.

OneFreeMan

GexX2

If you're going to ban and try to block games about killing people violently, you should also ban the games about molesting children, Nintendo (and Sony, I suppose). End of story.

Archaotic

VakeroRokero

Hyrule Outlaw

The only platform this could be released on with nobody making the decision except R*/Take-Two is PC (well, or Mac, or other open computing platforms). Consoles are anything but open platforms.

quen