oh and imho had red steel implemented a camera control scheme more like that in COD 3 it would have been a vastly superior game.

therudy

TRT-X

Yup just keep sucking at the tit of these companies that shit all over us. It's not like that perpetuates the situation or anything.

flclkris

I won't stop jumping on Ubisoft until they brings games like GRAW 2 and Rainbow 6 over to the Wii with full online play. I also expect Red Steel 2 to have online play as well. If they drop the ball on those fronts, then I'm done with them.

Darkness

Wow, that is an incredibly nerdy sentiment.

PaulMorel

KM91

KannonMAK

A mistake is when you do something and it doesn't turn out like you wanted. Or when you accidentally do something wrong.

Ubi was doing exactly what they planned, releasing sub par ports for a popular system in hopes of a cheap cash in.

Marasai

slaughteredewok

Anyway, I'm looking forward to a year from now, when there will finally be Wii titles that will make more sense to buy than rent. SSX Blur was okay, but it just made me want to play SSX 3 on the PS2 again, honestly.

tk.

You get cool points for that post. I've bitched and bitched and bitched about this for years and I blame Nintendo in part for this. Japanese 3rd parties in particular will follow the trend of what sells and Nintendo is not a diverse company to inspire an original MGS or DMC on their consoles. Nintendo will say..."we cater to every demograph, hardcore and casual alike" but that's bullshit. For every Metroid Prime we get there are 4 Mario Parties, quirky mini-game compilations, offshoots or niche games that the diehards could care less about.

3rd parties see this and think, "this is all there is to Nintendo consoles" and follow suit. That's where 3rd parties turn into stumbling idiots. I have no great love for Konami, Capcom, SNK and UBI right now.

Let's break it down, DS has been out and killing the sales charts for well over a year now. The top 30 in japan have been dominated by DS games for over 2 years. Yet the ONLY company that stepped in early to try and make a game the hardcore could play, was Shi'en with Nanostray which, at the time, was the best visual and audio showpiece for the DS with one of the best 3D engines to grace the portable to this day. SNK supported GBA with fighting games, Metal slug. What did DS get? Nothing worth playing. We finally get a damn portable with 4 face buttons and enough power to do SNK fighting games justice and what does SNK do? Release another damn card battle game. WTF? Even GBA got Super Street Fighter and Alpha 3...Capcom turns around and totally ignores the DS in terms of fighting games. I understand they no longer have the Marvel rights but am I the only one that thought "Marvel Vs Capcom 2 using the bottom screen for ground based combat and the top screen for air combos would rock"? GBA even got Doom, Doom2, GoldenSun, Golden Sun2, Tactics Ogre, Fire Emblem, Gunstar Super Heros. Awesome 3rd party support that offset the crap like Barbie and movie tie-ins. DS gets good support but it still pales in the face of GBA. Even GBA got Mortal Combat AND Tekken. A digitized Tekken but it was still there and playable with a kick ass soundtrack.

I'm getting sick of it. It's like , any long time gamer that supports Nintendo is going to get screwed because they don't care about us. Is the development community that stupid? That ignorant? Capcom said RE4 on Cube didn't sell. O'rly. By the time RE4 came out for cube the writing was already on the wall. Nintendo looked at Capcom and a few others to carry the "mainstream" load for the most part and 3rd parties paid for it with lackluster sales. Remember, EA AND Visual Concepts were duking it out on Cube too with their sports titles until VC realized no one was buying the Cube versions of their games. Why? Because Nintendo didn't do a damn thing to extent more robust support to the mainstream audience. I love Metroid Prime but for fuck's sake how do you release it with no multiplayer and no online support? How do you release a console after the 64 and the era of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark that helped save Nintendo's ass in that era, with no game to continue the trend? Nintendo releases a broadband adapter with only one game to support it, Phantasy Star. No WLAN play for a console that was built to be compact and easy to transport. No WLAN play for a GC racing game that has 30 cars on screen. No WLAN play for games like Battlion Wars, Wave Race, Geist...it's a disgrace.

Forgive me for the length but hearing from people that feel like I do just makes the wounds fresh. I'm a long time gamer like many of you and I feel like Nintendo forgot about us. Thank goodness for PS3 and 360. I like the Wii but I like the Wii like you like a girlfriend that's a constant screw up. You look at her and say "you have so much potential and good intentions, but you constantly do stupid things. "sigh"

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

On the opinion of a few kotaku faithfuls I bought SSX Blur and it actually works really well. Madden isn't bad either and I'm a 2K guy. So I'd have to agree that EA seems to be the only 3rd party trying to make something good on Wii.

UBI on the other hand gets no love. Apology not accepted until we get a Wii game that is A+ and not a mini-game compilation, port, or retarded offshoot of a niche game. I won't spend a dime on any of their games until I get some Wii quality and anyone I come across online or offline that asks, I'm ripping UBI and advising potential gamers to "just say no."

UBI, you can start by making Red Steel so good that it brings back the glory days of Goldeneye. I want

online-multiplay support

WLAN support

a better control scheme (despite what some may say Red Steel's control scheme is trash)

better dialog

smooth framerate (If Metroid Prime can do it with superior visuals, so can you)

options to adjust sensitivity

better weapons

a real intro instead of that pathetic display the first game used and a real ending.

If Red Steel 2 is not as good as Metroid Prime 3 in terms of quality, Wiimote usage, gameplay, sound etc, then it's going to be a long time before I buy a UBI game if ever again.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

NecronomiconUK

The Spiegel article is quote from the Ubidays (Ubisofts own Convention).
I am currently working at Ubisoft and we even got an intern mail about this.

So things will get better... but first a bit worse because the port of Driver:PL for Wii is also total crap. Sorry! ;(

KE

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/spielzeug/0,1518,485385,00....

"Wir haben Fehler gemacht"

Luke Plunkett

Its gonna take an incredible title for me to buy another Ubisoft game for the Wii. Red Steel was a worthless piece of crap with controls worse than dual analogue sticks. Oh and the motion recognition sucked too. Totally unforgivable.

fumar

Cutedge

And now we get Horsez 2 and My Word Coach. Now I'm not saying those are bad games (yet?) and I do appreciate My Word Coach's concept, I really do. But then we're back to the old Elebits vs. MGS4 example I keep using. What is it with third-party developers and Nintendo systems. It's like they see Mario and then they're stuck in this unwavering tunnel vision much like so many fanboys who keep saying Nintendo systems are kiddy or that the Wii's only about mini-games. And in a way, these fanboys are right, and why? Because they are looking for games like FF, MGS, SH, KH, DQ, etc. and developers aren't delivering such experiences to Nintendo systems. They are in this misguided idea that only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems and so they follow the same Nintendo game development pattern instead of spreading themselves out to cover different sectors, sectors that are in fact their forte. They pretty much just pidgeonhole each system. "Oh that one is for kiddies and that one is for mature." And in the end, they provide games like RE, MGS, FF, etc. in huge numbers, setting the idea that "hey, you want such games, then they are guaranteed to come on this other platform." Token efforts like RE or Twin Snakes on the Cube were nice, but then they'll use that as some kind of guage? Come on!! The PS2 had access to the PS1 RE games, a port of RECV, and then later got RE4 (with a substantial content boost) on top of the Outbreak spinoffs, and then you're going to measure that up against RE0 and a Remake of RE1? How about Twin Snakes? That vs. MGS2, 3, and the PS1 MGS? Twin Snakes didn't even have anything substantial added to it.

These are the kinds of things that's so infuriating about third-party developers. In many ways they set up their own falls (i.e. late and/or shoddy ports with usually less content to add insult). If you put a hardcore gamer in front of any multiplatform game to make a choice, how many would say they'd choose the Nintendo version because they say it's the best version? Or how about, based on what games so and so developer makes for each system, which of those games would lead you to your system of choice?

questworld

BuckNut

IGN's article:

""We made mistakes," they told the magazine. According to Spiegel, Ubisoft wanted to be first to capitalize on Wii and in its haste to release product it sacrificed the quality of the titles. Ubisoft has reportedly learned from its mistakes, though, and is promising that the quality of its forthcoming Wii projects will be significantly better."

So you then go on to quote it as:

"We made mistakes." ...and then repackage it with your own words...?

I don't know if this is a valid point I'm trying to make, but really, why base articles on someone else's interpretation of the original?

For all you know from this article he could have been talking about his Memorial Day BBQ and actually said, "...Yeah, and then we made my steaks..." Maybe IGN figured that, hell, since he's from Ubisoft, he MUST be talking about their mistakes being made with their videogames and not about his latest adventure in flaming beef.

You never know until you GO TO THE SOURCE.

But then again that might be just me.

RiceBandit

littletad

Nintendo, whether you like it or not, has a reputation of family friendly entertainment. I wouldn't expect the "mature" games (read: Games that warrant higher than a "T" rating) to be coming hand over fist to the Wii.

That's going to turn off a lot of gamers that crave something more than another Mario Sports title.

PapaBear

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

Quite a lot of people that devoted more then a few hours grew to love Red Steel. Quite a few games people dismissed just after the first hour later on grew to love the game after spending more time with it. Killer 7 had it's haters give up on the game after just an hour or two as well.

EA devoted whole studios to the Wii and DS. They like Ubi smelled that the wii would bring a lot of money to them. Ubi being smaller rushed the games making them suffer.

The Red Steel team did a far more competant game then a lot of supposedly elite game dev teams have done. They put a lot of effort into it and once refined the game ideas, concepts can be made into a far better game.

As for EA I guess people haven't seen Boogie or the other original EA wii games that are coming out. EA is also looking to make the Wii versions of games often the most fun to play.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

I expect with the success of the Wii Ubi and others will make a very dedicated effort to produce quality games for the Wii in the future. If done right, these games can appeal to the more mature Wii owner (I am not talking about age, but rather having a preference for games with more mature themes), and not compete directly with most of Nintendo's first-party offerings like ten variations of Mario party games.

bornonce

cYcO_pLuXxEl

Because, like me, they got suckered in by the prospect of playing as the Green Goblin in all his super powered, pumpkin bomb throwing, evil glory.

What we got was a very hard to control glider, no personalized missions, and people calling us Spidey.

PapaBear

So we'll see...

Irish.Exile

Explain why Spiderman 3 for the PS3 sold so much despite a low install base then.

totalwar23

DarrenC

Hopefully the PS3 and 360 will pick up sales again soon. I want something worth buying, a movie and a meal, not a gay commercial and a snack'a'jack.

DarrenC

dadeisvenm

So what you're saying is that people who bought PS3s are smart enough to know shitty games when they see them.

Tanod

Gausser

miss_ali1984

I hate to say this, but I think that EA is the only third party to do the Wii justice, despite my hate for them. Madden, SSX, and Godfather were really good games that were worth every penny, something I WISH Ubi would give a shot. Third parties can bitch all they want about me only buying Nintendo games, but that's what happens when Ubi give us 3/4 of our launch games and they're all cry worthy.

usfslacker

causality

They were going for a cheap B-Movie feel.

Hyperfludd

Falconfire

Cloaca

Gamemaster

Random enemy: You're too late sucker!
Random enemy2: You'll never get pass Amerikija (yes he actually said this)
Random enemy3: SAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Kantwon

It made Ubi look like a start up really than a company trying to do battle with EA. I say apologize with some good games. Red steel two? a real version? or at least try some thing you are good at? What is Ubi good at?

Runna

Not to mention the ports that are half-assed. They didn't even make ports from new games (GRAW, Rainbow Six, etc). I know the Wii doesn't have the graphical horsepower as the other two, But I think they can make it work in some form or another no?! (though they do have to contend with people who see this as flamebait).

All in all, I really like a lot of Ubisoft's games. Not to mention the upcoming Assassins Creed, Endwar, Prince of Persia with the glove etc.

excaliburps

Hellsing

Hellsing

Ubi, is my second favorite company.

Seriously, I played most Ubi titles on wii (gotta love online rentals) and they were pretty good except Far Cry and PoP Horrid Camera.

Hyperfludd

(oooo-er)

Fnor

Kyle81

Yeah, I totally believe you guy!

TokeYo

Are they releasing "new, improved" casual games (Super Hamsterz?).. or are they basically announcing that they're going to put actual effort into their more traditional offerings?

HylianTom

Farcry: Vengance was just plain theft.

Pimpbot9000

Red Steel had quite a few issues, but if Ubisoft could of managed to fix at least the control scheme issue then that game would of been way better for the most part cause it's actually a descent game.

Aftershock14520

If they want to shovel out port after port, they should at least play "The Godfather: Blackhand Edition" and take some notes. That game was ridiculously good for a port.

As it stands, I'm going to be renting any and all Ubi games to try them out before I decide on purchasing them.

Legacy

Hypnotoad222

But Rabbids doesn't offset all the other crappy games they shoveled out afterwards. Sure, maybe Red Steel was a forced title that could've used some time, that happens, but it still reflects on the company.

Regardless of what they say, it's what they do that's important, and they need to work on getting more quality into their Wii titles or otherwise they'll be stuck with this perception for this cycle.

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

Neon

InsipidWays

cendojr

Josh*

harkonnen

jamosthefifth

f**k them

BigChiefSmokem

Seriously the formula of
old PS2/Gamecube game + wii controls = success
is pissing this wii owner off.

btrick

I'm still waiting for an apology for the crap-metal soundtrack on Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. Ubi has been dead to me since.

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