L.Cooper

Jesus Christ. I bet it wouldn't have even gone as far if he wasn't asian. People are going crazy shit over the astronomical chance that such a thing will happen in their school/college.

purplepopcorn

Did they not think about what effect their actions would have? Didn't they think this would ruin their son's life and maybe even his future? If my own kids did this, my first thought wouldn't be "OMG! MY SON IS GOING TO COMMIT MASS MURDER!", but to ask "hey neat, whatcha making there?".

This situation is almost understandable if a school official caught this kid doing it on school grounds, but for his own parents to act this way indicates that this kid didn't have much of a relationship with his parents.

ojisan

What?! Oh, that would be stupid. My bad, let's move on then.

psyh

Not many Chinese think asians are crazy killers... their Asian themselfs.

And as far as we know he was playing it as a hero, tring to stop the bad guys holding up the school and it's kids.

People just don't understand us.
I'm going to go mess around with some gore that fell off of a guy I just killed on GOW now.

Battousai

dy/dx = 2x, by power rule for differentiation.

By definition of the derivative, we can take:
lim(h->0) [f(x+h)-f(x)]/h =
lim(h->0) [(x+h)^2 - x^2]/h =
lim(h->0) [x^2 + 2xh + h^2 - x^2]/h =
lim(h->0) [2xh + h^2]/h =
lim(h->0) 2x + h = 2x, the final answer.

Now, my turn: Without appealing to the orthogonality of a basis of eigenvectors, can you prove that the 2-norm of a complex valued, normal matrix A is equal to its spectral radius? (where a normal matrix is such that (A^H)A = A(A^H), where A^H is the Hermetian of A).

ninjafetus

People make mods for real places all the time, including schools, malls, houses. The map in question also was created long before the VA tragedy. The authorities are the ones that should be punished. The parents and people that think this kid should be punished should be punished themselves.

kirstpo

And in high school, the arm force cadets would march around in the playground with rifles with live rounds. Even worse they would spend half the time shouting at each other. In Winter, the more anarchic members of our school would throw snowballs over the wall/high fence while the cadets were standing to attention, while shouting "Incoming!" and running away. For the same reason, using the outdoor toilets with walls but no roof was not a good idea.

brainjacked

fleshribbon

Sloopydrew

Also, to people who said the mapmaker was stupid to create it after VTech - he didn't. He made it BEFORE, it was only reported AFTER Vtech.

Enjoy! ^.^

HappyPants12354

It's completly normal to do maps like that. I have another map on there that looks like my old High School and my friend has a map on TS 2 that looks like our old, old High School. We both have swords, too.

gdamascus

On topic, this is madness... Thought police is right. Notice, however, it was his parents who turned him in and his parents that made him go to the other school, not the police. How many people have missed that one? Of course, the police were a bit crazy for playing along. There's a generalization for you that I haven't been able to counter yet... Joining the "force" seems to make more jerks than any other profession. Except I have a sister who's a cop, and she's really cool... DARN IT!

bobtheduck

That is the link for all of the email addresses for this schools faculty email the asst. principals and voice your opinion.

KingAttila

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
-Yoda

T3kN

Let me be as clear as possible, humans are animals. Animals as naturally violent. Animals kill things. They kill other animals. Here in the modern western world, we are "sheltered" from these primal urges. We hire a butcher or send some troops to do the dirty work. Man has been killing man for thousands upon thousands of years *BEFORE* books, *BEFORE* music, *BEFORE* tv, *BEFORE* porn, *BEFORE* video games, *BEFORE* any of us were even born. Are these people that dense?

I wish they could just stop and think for a moment. Its not like a nice kid listens to Marilyn Manson one time and becomes a psycho. It just happens that if you are already depressed and pissed off at the world you might end up listening to that type of music. Do these people not understand cause and effect?

Even worse than American stupidity is the way the media will use the tragedy to scape-goat whoever they want, in this case gamers. Instead of looking for the real bad-guys the police just arrest some kid making a computer game. This is like arresting Picasso because Guernica was "too violent." This is Neo-Nazi Amerikkka at its best. If video games were around in Hitler's day, he'd have burned them too.

Just a little refresher because people have short memories it seems:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

cybereality

Viper2005

So, when will people realize that swords + games + school map + timing does NOT = Shoot up the school? And that punishing someone for a form of free speech denies what their country stands for? Oh thats right... safety before freedom.

FlyingPieOfDeath

That, sir, is an awesome book.

@ninjafetus:

College calculus, huh? Well then, what is dy/dx if y = x^2? Can't do that, now can you?

Darthvinder

Oh wait, I'm white. As we all know it's the minorities that cause problems. Sigh.

Oh well. I'm just glad to be living in the Austin area now.

ps. Mr. Fap Fap. About half the state didn't vote for that dickhead. Don't bunch us all together with the idiots who did.

Ackart

tech42er

Necron117

tech42er

tech42er

tech42er

If they took two seconds to think about it, they'd realize that playing CS on a school map couldn't be training for a suicide run or whatever they though. If anything, it would train someone how to defend their school against armed terrorists. CS is nothing like slaughter.

Jawajoey

shadowdude55

thexeong5

...it was for a kart racer. My school had banked corners, the two seemed to go together.

Merus

You know, the place where you can wear guns on your hips, shotguns in the back of a pick-up, and dont forget being able to shoot to kill any trespassers (border hoppers?) on your land.

Not that I disagree with any of those things, because I dont, but still!

EnigmaNemesis

hehahohee

In the US, most fatalities are alcohol related, you are most likely to die in a traffic related accident, the average diet will likely cause diabetes or heart disease which can be fatal if left untreated.

What is everyone here most worried about???

Tepoz

Better hope nobody paints a picture of the school in art or they'll be sent straight to the pain dimension.

Paroxysm

That is funny.

So I remember back in my high-school days, I had a friend who was a gun fanatic. And he and I both shared a sick sense of humour. I told him one day to bring one in because I didn't believe him. The next day I was called into the principal's office because "someone heard a rumour that (My First and Last name) was going to bring a gun into school, and I was going to get it from (His First and Last Name)." He was then called in as well.

If I ever find out who the fuck mentioned something I'll shoot them.

I give it two days before cops show up at my door for typing the above sentence. Seriously.

Or how about that time I was learning to drive a stick shift in a nearby cul-de-sac 10 seconds from my house, and a cop came up behind me and informed me he was called over because my car, (a 1990 toyota Corolla GTS), didn't look like it belonged among the BMWs and Mercedes parked at every driveway of these three garage houses. "These people have alot of money and belongings and they get scared when they see something out of the ordinary" is what he said, followed by "go home".

People are flawed. Me included.

Danj3ris

But seriously, I'm not surprised. We have psychos shooting up schools - so I can't fully blame their reaction. On the other hand, they blew the scenario way out of proportion. Yet, I don't know the full story, so I don't know if I can fairly ascertain the situation. What I can say though, is that we are living in a sad world.

Brill

seasponge

Willows

Touy

For some odd reason this reminds me after 9/11. Everyone and anyone that looked middle-eastern ended up getting arrested or worse killed.

Philudo

Altima NEO

floppylobster

GeneralGore

I don't know if your post was meant to get people to talk more about the subject or not, but if the wording of your post is sincere then there is a disconnect between your culture and mine. You refer to CounterStrike as a "killing game". I refer to it as First Person Shooter. That in-and-of-itself is telling about how society at large views modern games.

The argument has been and will always be made that "this one thing" made these people commit the crimes they did. The reality of living in this world and that you come to realize that there are more complicated reasons behind why things happen. Yes, they played First Person Shooters but I have also. They murdered people and I have never used violence against people. I am not an exception so what makes those youth's an exception? Was it family, friends, girlfriends, boyfriends, stress, mental problems, gender/color/sexual orientation hatred, ect.?

The thing is people are only looking at electronic games. What about the sports they played, the books they read, the movies they watched, the music they listened to, or the people they hung out with? If both these youths were into the same things then most likely they played, read, watched, listened to the same things and hung around the same people. Couldn't one of those things have actually been the trigger then if you believe in a "trigger"?

Tepoz

Wilimac

Konchu

thurstonkillgore

Whoaly fuck. ()_()

anyone ever played BestBuy? Or CS_WALMART? What the fuck?

SliceWarriorX

KM91

Wernstar

dirkxxdiggler

So you have a kid that has a PC and an editor and they decide to make a new map, well they need inspiration. And you know they spend a good chunk of their day and there year at school so they are familiar with it. It gives them a benchmark for success and a goal to achieve.

The bottom line is did anyone ever tell this kid you cant make maps of your school? This kid is being tramatised for this Utter BS. Now if this was a piece of the puzzle and they found the kid had other issues then it might be worth taking note in the big picture. But come on people a game doesnt teach you how to properly handle a fire arm. And If the kid knows enough to make a detailed map of the school I don't think they need it to plan an attack. But before they accuse this kid and ruin his life they should weigh the evidence and this to me seems like something that doesnt warent more than a slap on the hand.

Though its good they got to him before he got to that hammer he would have been unstopable for a several seconds I mean he may have even trained on the classic murder simulator Donkey Kong.

Konchu

hahahaha, Borat right?

Hylian-Hero

@everyone else:

That's the High School I attended when I lived in Houston (Fort Bend is a county, mostly made up of Houston suburbs). I want that counter-strike map!

LordSkippy

Anyways back then my friends and I would play on a LAN, and we didn't go around killing people in real life. Fun times those were. I wish I still had a copy of that WAD, it be fun to play on Zdaemon.

xiphos

chs_alum

Are Baby-Boomers more violent than subsequent generations?

Tepoz

I don't see how playing extremely violent video games can help vent
one's issues, now sports.....that I can buy, in fact physical activity has been proven to succesfuly help in dealing with violence. My point is: how is extreme violence jusitified?

How is extreme violence justified? It isn't. It is not at all ok to act violently against someone else. What you actually mean to ask, I think, is "How is the right to play violent video games justified?" This is acually not very difficult to refute.
1. We can do anything we want until it's banned or outlawed.
2. Playing violent video games hasn't been banned.
3. That's it, QED.

Maybe instead you meant to ask, "What is the utility of violent video games in society?" OK, I'll try this one, too.

1. People need entertainment to keep themselves from being bored all the damn time.
2. Violent video games are entertaining to some people.
3. That was just as easy.

Instead, what you might be trying to say is, "Isn't the benefit of the entertainment value of violent video games for some totally mitigated and then some by the negative effects that they have on the people who play them, and therefore, the negative effects of the people who play them on society as a whole." We'll need a couple of facts in evidence before this can happen:

--You have the right to do anything you want until it is expressly taken from you by the government (with guns and jails). This is pretty much the thing that the country was founded on, which we may or may not have strayed dangerously from in the last several decades.

--There is no proven causation between playing violent video games and acting violently. Sure, there might be a correlation, I don't know, but you have to understand the difference between correlation and causation.

There may be some weirdo that enjoys playing Counterstrike, and also likes raping and killing. Just because that person exists does not demonstrate that enjoying Counterstrike caused that person to rape and kill any more than raping and killing caused that person to enjoy Counterstrike. The two results are both extrapolations of something else, his personality or upbringing perhaps. Or genetics, or random chance, or demonic possession, or something else entirely.

--

OK, given that some people are entertained by violent video games (a benefit), but there isn't really much conclusive evidence that there are negative effects (which I fully expect to be challenged on, with links please), where's the logic in saying that people are wrong for playing violent video games? There are lots of reasons that foolish people have for why this would be. Things like, "Well, it just makes sense", or "I'm uncomfortable with violence in video games, therefore it must be true".

And these people are fundamentally broken, if they're not able to understand that abridging my rights and freedoms for the purpose of placating their own irrationalities is going to be the downfall of everything that we believe in. Well, I at least. I think a lot of people believe in this, but who am I to force that belief on anyone.

The short answer to your question is: I should have the right to do something if I want to, until it's actually shown to be bad. Whitelisting normal acceptable activities is not freedom.

teeth7

ShepherdDog

wage

Beatseeker

HMMM.....that part looks NOTHING like hyperbole to me.

You had to know you where going to piss a few people off, or where you just trolling?

Acute Gamer

Crazy world we live in.

-nesdude

nesdude

ninjafetus

Acute Gamer

fumar

@weables:
Precisely. Not to mention the bizarre amount of 'Don't mess with Texas' signs and bumper stickers and various objects ranging from belt buckles to swimming pools shaped like Texas.
Oh, and the cars and trucks with Texas/US flags and various other things.

I could go on, but what's the point? You guys can't take a damn joke, anyway.

MR. FAP☆FAP!

I hope the kid gets a nice cash settlement for his troubles.

Zeyr

ClosedAccountDueToErrorsAshCouldn'tFix

Thanks again, I guess that if people can find justification for exposing functioning and non-functioning human beings to extreme levels of violence it is a sad little world we're living in.

I guess there's no stopping violence in our entertainment, we'll just have to deal wit it and keep ignoring the fact that eventually nothing good comes out of violence.

carlosrodas

globetro

Games have been this generation and the previous generation's book burning debate. In my high school days during the 80's, great literary works were banned in small-town libraries all over the US due to "violent" and/or "sexual" content, mine included. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Tepoz

Emperor

:P

EzekielDA

aegies

Gam3r

That being said, I always thought the police finding swords at my place would be more a source of embarrassment than incrimination.

http://eat-sleep-game.com/news

aegies

The fact they searched his house isn't that big of a deal, but the fact they are barring him, an exemplary student, from graduating and are making him to go a school for delinquents is just wrong.

While they school district may deny it, I think race was a big part of how they handled the situation. I'm getting tired of this "state of fear" that this nation is living in.

jinshifu

It's part of the natural order of things. Repressed rage against authority figures.

Admittedly creating a map of your highschool may not be the 100% wisest course of action, but it's just 1 step above the fantasies that the rest of us sick individuals (i.e. pretty much everyone) has.

Theoban

Like Dancin_Foot, I remember a buddy making a Doom2 map of my highschool.

Thanks a lot VT shooter, not only did you kick our asses at Starcraft you now made it illegal to make realistic maps for FPS.

balls187

Dancin_Fool

Most pertinent quote: "Catharsis theory (Kestenbaum et al, 1988) suggests that violent video games can provide a safe outlet for aggressive thoughts and feelings."

And further on: "Younger children (4-8 yrs) are most vunerable(sic) to violence in video games, but this effect dissapates by the time children mature to middle school age."

One of the researchers also suggests that violent television has a greater effect on increasing aggressive tendencies in children than violent video games do.

Bottom line: for functioning human beings who can distinguish between real and make-believe, videogame violence is probably not a huge issue.

I feel like we've been saying that for a while now...

MaxVest

Is this racial profiling? Because of recent tragic events is the police more prone to do such things to Asian people? Let's hope not, let's hope he gets the help he needs (if needed) and that we can avoid tragedies such as the ones we have had in the past. But let's also be careful about how we do things. We do not want racial profiling and/or gaming blames.

whiskey

Infradead

And yes, people are unjustly targeting Asians now. I heard about a college student in New York who got arrested for exclaiming in the computer lab, "Gahh! If I don't get this paper done in time I'm going to kill somebody!" Sounds fairly minor, but ohnoes! He was Asiatic! The police arrested him and illegally searched his home looking for "weapons", of which he didn't own any.

Just goes to show you that, just like after 9/11, people will be more suspicious of someone who LOOKS like a murderer than they will of someone else, but never of their own race, of course. You didn't see a massive increase in Caucasians getting arrested after the Oklahoma city bombing, and after the Columbine incident it was merely ALL High School students put under the thumb, because Klebold and his fellow were Caucasian.

I'm not some advocate for people of other races, I'm an advocate of people NOT BEING STUPID. There's absolutely no reason to start targeting Asians as more likely to commit violent acts than other races just because of the recent VT massacre.

However, in this case? He DID have a map of his school on Counter Strike. As ridiculous as it is, everyone knows schools have a fit over stuff like that. He should've known better. However, I think some of his friends should get the hammer, too, not just him because he's Asian. It's idiotic.

Baramos

Beatseeker

If the map wasn't of the high school it might have been dropped sooner or maybe it was a little race motivated too sadly to say.

inajeep

When juding others for stereotyping a group, ("DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS, YA RICE EATIN' SLANT EYES! YEEEEEEEE-HAW!") it would behoove you to not stereotype a group yourself (ie, Texans).

ninjafetus

: / Do you live in Texas? I can't respond for the rest of Texas but Austin is awesome.

Twisted_Otaku

carlosrodas

DorkusMalorkus

Zim

I'll admit, after having that message drilled into my head, the FIRST thing I wanna do is mess with Texas now. Probably best if I never go back.

Shumina

What state are you from?

Do you know how ridiculous you sound screaming about texas?

I'm from Texas, I don't hate "rice eating slants," I do own several guns, and I don't necessarily love GW.

Grow up.

Kungfustance

kliide

Avinash_Tyagi

That's why physically rough sports, which make almost no sense if demand for violence is low, are popular and accepted. Some would argue that it's better to give violence a healthy and controlled outlet.

This leads one to question whether conceptualizing murderous violence has a different (read: worse) effect than physical playacting. It might also be that people who lack the social skills or physical abilities to engage in quasi-violent team sports, yet have a desire to do violence, choose video games as the best outlet for that impulse. Perhaps gaming is the outlet that imposes the fewest penalties for acting out anti-social behavior.

I don't necessarily buy all that, but those are the arguments that gamers aren't responding adequately to.

MaxVest

photoboy

yurlittlepony

akiraghost2003

weables

If anything, why not look on the bright side; the student(s) would think they could defend his school if terrorists attacks his school and planted a bomb. the kid should be given a award - he's a hero.

nunami

In a philosophy class in high school, I was the only student to defend a moral position where harming any living creature is abhorrent. I got into an argument with another student, who believed that it was his God-given right to shoot and kill anyone who stepped foot on his property.

Most of the class was on his side. This kid would shoot a human being, a total stranger, without a second thought, and no one blinked an eye. He was a "good Christian," and he'd never touched a video game in his life. But I'm a gamer and a secular humanist. Had our arguments been reversed, I'd probably be in jail now.

It's apparent that school administrators pay no attention to students who display an obvious disregard for human life. They only care about what's easy, what appears symptomatic of violent tendencies on a surface level, or what the news media tells them to suspect. People refuse to believe that a person can separate himself from the trappings of his recreation or art.

Once again, instead of listening to these kids, people just assign blame and expect the problem to disappear.

jettokisora

Maybe you have a different definition of what Texas stands for than I do.
Texas is the only state I've been to that actually manages to live up to it's stereotype...and then some.

MR. FAP☆FAP!

So in the past when a teacher could take a kid aside and talk with them, they are now afraid of being sued for "harassing" a child so they have no choice but to call the police.

Its a sad sad world we live in.

brucifer

Though, I think I may just go with the black suit. Not the evil version, just a black one. More ninja like.

PapaBear

In response to Fahey's school story:
Ten years ago I wrote in the margins of a book (that I owned) that I hated my teacher. She was a nun. She saw it, put her hand forcefully on my shoulder, looked deep into my eyes with extreme intent, and whispered in a deep gravelly tone that she hated me too. Then she just walked away and never spoke directly to me ever again. Good times.

WanderLink

vamp07

I'm all pro those things, and definetly the kid deserves a different treatment, maybe he did't mean no harm, or did he? I guess none of us have the complete first hand story.

But there's something that really bothers me, and I usually comment about it, why is it that whenever this issue pops up we blame everybody except ourselves? 'Cause believe you me, our glorification of extreme violence in entertainment isn't really helping, AT ALL.

We always try to make a point out of freedom of speech, or try to defend an industry that we enjoy so much (me included), but why is it that we never stop and think about all the crap that extreme violence represents, to me this kind of attitude is part of the problem, us not questioning the substance of violence in our games, I challenge anyone here to make a logical and intellinget argument pro violence in video games.

I'm not trying to convert anyone here or anything, just want to make you think.

carlosrodas

A lot of people make maps of places they know, because they have easy access for reference.

Hell, my teacher got some floor plans of our college for sombody to make a CS map of it.

Also I've seen that theres a Max Payne mod which some students have made for their class project, recreating their school.

I once made a map of my primary school for duke nukem 3d :(

I am a bad man.

Biohazardous_snark

IanC

Yes, VTech was bad and Cho was disturbed, but equating a video game to violence is like equating Rock to genocide...what, what? Should we stop paint ball players as well? How about racing games, god knows it teaches our children to drive like maniacs, hell...I've been doing that before driving games ;)

reoutput

RyanDG

Once me and a workmate made a Counter Strike map of our office and lab.

I hope mexican police enforcements never find out this or my boss... i dont wanna be fired and get some jail time..

FTWGM: F*ck The World Gone Mad

EL_RIEL

All we're doing is creating more emo. Do we need more emo? I don't think so. How long until the anarchy thing comes back?

protozoider

barktwiggs

But now I'm glad I'm dumb. Dumb people never seem to get arrested.

rednikcam

HoxtonHero

common, i am a Chinese, and i am not compromise with it.

just look, "Why dudes keep murdering people, and video games got blamed for that?"

This is because the US Government allow people carry guns on the street, or even to schools.

I've never heard Hong Kong has such crime. There have been quarrels between parents and kids due to mmorpg mostly, but no murderer have happened because of shooters (many dudes do play CS)

Chapboy

Maybe this kid was using this as an outlet. Do these people ever stop to think "Maybe this person was using this as an outlet and without it, maybe they WOULD hurt somebody" Everybody releases anger differently. They need to stop jumping to conclusions and being pricks about everything.

Pandamanda

In another nerdier note, my friends and I ran a d20 (lolz, loser) campaign where our campus had been taken over by zombies. Why? Because it was more interesting to set it somewhere we were familiar with and when you're creating a map for anything, it's really just easiest to base it off of something you know well.

Long story short I think one of us pepper-sprayed a cop and took his gun to free a friend who had been arrested. Seriously, violent cop-killer wannabe that guy...

Excalibur

Creator of Counter Strike map "fy_poolday" was arrested moments ago on the count of suspected plans to shoot up a local public pool facility. They found a knife in his possession at the time of arrest, but he claims he was "peeling a apple". The apple was taken in for questioning. More at 6!

theCornerinvasion

Raynre

Karttikeya

Knoxximus (XBL/PSN)

PlaidNinja

People don't want an intelligent discussion about the roots of violence. Its the same with drugs and sex. The "just say no" and sweep it all under the rug and never deal with it head on mentality. Kids are a lot smarter than that. They live their lives as they see fit. They indulge their interests and see no reason not too. They haven't yet been disillusioned by a world full of people that would would rather serve their own interests than the greater good. They haven't had the joy of being unable to live the life they want because they're forced to work unpaid overtime all the time, but has no tolerance for lateness. So when the "too soon" blockheads see some kid making a map of their school for a game they immediately project their own biased viewpoint onto the kid rather than seeing this for what it is - a familiar gameplay environment based on terrain the kid knows by heart. Its not a value judgment on the school. What better map to play on than one you know like the back of your hand?

So now this kid can't go to his own graduation. Meanwhile these keystone cops will probably get a medal and continue to be a drain on taxpayer resources, rather than staffing the fry station at McDonald's where they belong.

PlaidNinja

Ketsuban

It's always the quiet ones that snap the loudest...

PapaBear

Skylar

Please tell me you're not completely unaware of the irony of what you're saying. I hope you're not being serious about "hating everything Texas stands for."

FACT: A elementary school councilor once contacted my parents because my teacher had found violent ninja pictures in my desk! Oh noes! Ninjas! Being... violent?! She told my dad that I might grow up to be a serial killer. My dad, who has a background in psychology, proceeded to dismantle everything she did or didn't do to come to this conclusion.

Well, I teach college calculus now. I wonder if my students know what's coming towards them? I mean, drawing ninjas in elementary school = serial killer. I guess I've just taken my time in getting to that second part.

ninjafetus

Nothing to do with real world violence.

z0mbi

furiousmilton

exkon

I like that ending.

@Volante3192:

Yeah, I was going to make the same point that friends of mine wanted to build a CS map based on our campus. We of course had no malicious intent, it was just that we'd become so intimately familiar with the layout that we knew where and what places might make good set pieces for firefights.

Psudonym

Larry Forney

"...I'd be more afraid of a kid who recreates candyland or something in counterstrike and then shoots people all over it."

You know, that map exists for Enemy Territory. There is also a Shoots and Ladders map.

I know there is a Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer Christmas map for CS:S where you can shoot the heads off claymation snowmen to stop them from singing "Have a holly, jolly Christmas."

PapaBear

Wolf_Dog

MR. FAP☆FAP!

chico

Sure he'll be proven innocent (we hope...) and everything will go back to normal, but that isn't the point. The point is that it happened and will thus happen again, and maybe someday everyone who makes maps of schools or offices will be under suspicion, you know?

chipclip

Making a "map" of a place you're already intimately familiar with and equating that, even on a superficial level, with intent to commit actual violence, is a tremendous leap of logic.

Mundane acts (making a map of a known space) that "can be" precursors to abnormal behavior are not necessarily so... especially when they are, in most cases, actually just precursors to other mundane acts (playing videogames).

You might as well ban people from getting in cars because someone played chicken once.

I have a better idea... how about we try to spot the actual "abnormal behavior" instead of picking apart details that crazy people SHARE with sane people.

That isn't to say the kid definitely did not intend to do harm... but I hardly think his ability to make a map should be the "tell" that society looks for.

dv8godd