<![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls - Kotaku Comments]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> The gameplay can be exactly the same. It will still sell like hotcakes. Rockstar has a great many of us by the gonads.

I would however like this to be something amazing and new-ish. I don't want to have to wait until IV:Spring Valley for hem to decide they want to threw in "a few more features we didn't have time to put into the last game".

Danj3ris

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I was starting to wonder if it was really a GTA trailer or something out of THE MATRIX with the visuals and sound...

Furryscott

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @penhalion:
What on earth are you talking about?
"It looks like the gameplay is identical to the previous games i.e drive cars, kill people, work your way up"

What did you expect, they would turn the franchise into a football game? Or it would be GTA:Tetris? Seriously, it's a sequel- does similar gameplay surprise you?

"I'd say you save a girl who is being either sold or smuggled."

Huh? Did one of the pedestrian look endangered? Please tell me how you got this from the trailer.

"You'll either get bored free roaming the city or waltz through the linear story and then trade it in... The majority even those hyping it up on here, are actually pretty bored of the franchise."

Ah, I see. You're obviously a mind-reader who can predict the every move and desire of all commenters. I'll get bored, will I? I'm actually bored, am I? Thank you for clearing that up. Thanks from all of us.

Modano

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Looks less tongue and cheek than the others. I dont know if its a good thing or not.
P.s new york I mean cmon, they've already done this!!!!

CrimemasterGogo

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Love the "HeartStopper Burger" and "America's Top Hooker" ads in the Times Square replica. Clever to the last detail...I have high hopes.

yurig

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> It actually LOOKS like NY/NJ this time. Yay!

PetiePal

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Runna: Good grief...write a book why don't you...you do realize no one will read that entire thing, right?

I am astounded by the number of people who don't understand how every GTA game is set in a fictional city and are convinced that it will be NYC. Did any of you actually PLAY San Andreas or Vice City?

ANYWAYS, let's get back to the discussion at hand...I am actually a little disappointed at the return to Liberty City. While I am sure that the game will be awesome, I thought we'd get a game set in "Tokyo" or "London" (the British Isles???) this time around. Hopefully we'll get there after this game.

Spoony Bard

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Keep believe in the power house tech stuff you sound like the type that will buy a Geforce 8200 thinking that it a good deal becuase it has a g80 in it...LOL Will every thing else is downgraded.

If the HD systems where SD then you may be able to say yeah look at those graphics they are so much better than the Wii's but really all the Wii is lacking from what I'm seeing is shader preformace which keeps suprising me and geometry which also keeps suprising me.

If you don't see what I see then cool I just don't wanna here alot of PS3 fan boys complaining cuz if things stay like this then it's will be here soon... Like december?

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> While looking at current tech some stuff is clearly suppose to be there and when it is not then you just exposed another problem with the tech. For people that don't want to believe the wii can come close to this becareful because you are fooling your selves alittle here.


Please Doom3 has better lighting at it's using the same tech and idea it's z stencile lighting, which is like casting the outline of a 3d object on to another object. Last time I read about it and saw it in use it was a shader. So it's suppose to be there. If they where smart they use have did some radiousity maps to help out with the z buffer shadow. You see this is the cheapest way to fake real radiousity. Now how old is doom3? I'd say the Wii chip could atleast do this shader since it was in res evil to a certain extent.

You guys are confusing power with shader preformance.

Also too 3d app experience is not the same as game engine shader experience. 3D apps use high quality photon emiting to render stuff. Game engines fake this John Cormack actauly requested this feature in his own way. It is nolonger inpressive because i's be solved for years not even at the low end in PC cards. What was not solves was the faking of glare and HDRI lighting, Right now crytek has the best solution with epic not too far behind. If you know any thing about 3d apps then you know this and if you know any thing about 3d GPUs you would know that it's either not being used for a reason or they simply can't use it becuase of some draw back.

"2) High Resolution textures for advertisement. Did you see the high def version of the trailer? All those billboards employ high resolution textures. You need at least 250MB of ram to handle these. These billboards will have advertisements, so a Wii version most likely would drop all advertisements meaning less profit for Take 2. Also, this advertisements change gradually over time with downloable content that automatically updates like in Crackdown, which means that Rockstar will be using the HDD for this. The Wii has no HDD whereas PS3 and 360 can do it. 512MB of flash memory (Wii's memory) isnt enough to hold the size of these downloable textures." You sound so sure of your self? And also too They could probably make up for the ads simply off the fact there are 6 millions wiis out there. Also too Ad people don't care what resolution their ads are they just want people to see them hell just ask Kokaku lol.

To your point 3 I say go read about geometry instancing and even animation instancing.
Once you load one model into memory you use the same animations for all the characters and if you are smart you include code to switch textures to give your crowd variety. This is even what 3d animators are using in the big movie houses now. Multiple companies have spoke on this subject. You guys are not informed at all or you don't really want to discusse the graphic and would rather just say how cool it is....LOL
Then on top of that you have compression. Then on top of that you get only 30 extra people on screen when other HD games had at least 50? Yeah those games suck but graphicly they illustrate my point and they are on the HD system less bandwidth and memory. For some reason rock star is limited by the HD spec I'm for sure. Or either they knew this was good enough for their fans... which they are right it seems.
On to number four. POPUP!
After looking at the spidy trailer I'm not seeing it the popup. And if it does occur and you can still get the detail of the PS3 version which trade off do you want? Now what happens when you start to see popup in the HD GTA... You won't cry you will keep on liking it the same way you liked the others. I know one thing that hasn't changed and it's people that play this game so really their standards are pretty low.
You are also operating on the assumtion that the PS3 and even the xbox360 will have better AI. Ok well lets just look at Res evil... The zombies in that game along out do most HD games AI right now. If you knock down a ladder they put it back up, if you try to hide some where they know that they need to break thur a boarded up window to get you. Really I'm not seeing this incredible AI that you saying can be done. Rock star is not factor 5 or even close to epic. They know their hook and it's sand box violence simple and plain. They are selling you the same thing gansta rap has sold you yet they are trying to make it a game that needs a few more things to make it polished.
I posted the spidy trailer to show you guys yeah that draw distance can be done and they even put reflections on the windows and the light always has a glow to it. I guess I know this stuff becuase I'm into PC games too and really the graphics could be alot better unless the HD systems simply don't have the specs to do it in HD. You will figure it out in 4 years the same way every one did with the PS2.
I will admit the Wii is not as powerful but you fail to realize that HD really is a set back that makes it alot easier for the Wii to reach them on shader and geometry wise. I guess the real reason why I say this is if you look at PC gaming never will you see a game like this get so much hype off graphics becuase it would be sub par for even a game that came out 3 years ago. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you look at the price difference and the specs the Wii shouldn't even be able to even think about approach these graphic but it can based on what rock star has shown. Now gears of war maybe not but this yeah this is do-able... will it take some work yeah just as much work as it's going to take for the PS3 to reach it's potiential...
Shader preforamce is the future man... Plus too you guys are acting like this thing is so realistic when it's not. I got a experiment for you take these to a 3d site that deals with game engines and tell them you made this... Just see what they say.. OK

WOW I really do type too much for you guys...LOL

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> allright it's early in the morning and I just wrote gibberish, let me try again.

Attempt 2.


I would be very dissapointed if GTA 4 contained only 1 city. even if that one city was larger than all of GTA:SA I would still find that dissapionting. Granted they could sell billions more copies by keeping all the cities seperate, but rather than have distinct city differences like they did for the past Gen games I would love to see GTA4 iterations feature different continents. Perhaps the second one taking place in a few European cities and the third taking place in asian cities. I almost feel like we should expect GTA 4 to have LC, VC and SA in it. Maybe that's not feasable, but I would hope it is.

YCS

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I would be very dissapointed if GTA 4 contained only 1 city. even if that one city was larger than all of GTA:SA I would still find that dissapionting. Granted they could sell billions more copies by keeping all the cities seperate, rather than have distinct city differences like they did for the past Gen games. For each GTA4 iteration I would much rather have different continents. the second one taking place in a few European cities and maybe the third taking place in asian cities. I would hope that GTA 4 has LC, VC and SA in it. Maybe that's not feasable, but I would hope it is.


YCS

YCS

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Should have been set in the middle east. I said it before and I will say it again. Just think of the possibilities! I will still pick this up though of course because Rockstar has a proven track record and I am definitely interested in their new engine. Just wondering where the storyline is going to take the main character. (Presumably) Ex Russian KGB soldier dropped into the heart of LC (NYC) should make for a very interesting game to say the least.

re4de2ye0

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Will it have multiplayer?

Adam In Texas

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I... might get it. The thing I hate about games like saints row and GTA is that the people in the game are complete fucktards. SR? All rappers, couldn't stand it. The story is SO insignificant half the time, aswell. Who knows, maybe this one will be worth it.

Infradead

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I really hope it's at LEAST as good as S.A., I have 155:20 playing time and STILL pop it in and have fun. To me, that is the epitome of replay value.

Acute Gamer

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Super good. Yes I will buy it, thank you very much.

alby13

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @GundamAC197:

The Wii is incredibly underpowered. GTA IV has so much math going on that the Wii couldnt handle a fraction of it.

Also, the rage engine features a havoc style physics engine but with more accurate weighting etc, world lighting, full world realtime reflections. The Wii will get ports but from the PS2 code. Its easier for devs to do. GTA IV will not come to the Wii. Its just not a next generation powerhouse.

Don't get me wrong, the Wii has its place but so far that place is for party games with the gimmicky controler (I have a Wii and loved Wii sports over the holidays fuelled by drink and partying and I also have zelda. But its just a bookend now) Even my 2 kids 10 & 7 yrs old dont even touch the Wii. they play the 360 and PC.

Its a nice bit of kit for nintendo, cheap to make and it will fatten their coffers for a while. I really think is should retail at under £100 for all that it is though, like an intellivision for the year 2000.

One last thing

Maybe they should port GTA IV to the Wii. A straight port which would look like shit, with a poor draw distance, limited peds and vehicles on screen, simplified physics engine etc etc.

The side by side comparisons will show just how fugly the Wii games are. (like CoD3, Farcry, tiger woods 2007 etc etc)

irnchriz

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Wow, I think this is the largest amount of comments on Kotaku ever. I can't read all this damnit. :(

My opinion: Meh. After Crackdown, MTA, and Saint's Row, I'm really not seeing anything special happening to make this game stand out. Sure, it's probably a technical masterpiece... but if they can't inject something new to keep it worthwhile, there won't be enough replay value.

I mean, MTA gave me a map-editor and an almost-perfect online experience (perfect experience coming with the next update) so Rockstar really needs to pull something out of their ass to grab me.

Of course I'll still be buying it. I always enjoy the stories, voice acting, and action sequences. It's the replay value I'm worried about.

DaveKap

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> gamevideos is teh suxx.. that site and 1up.com always take ages to load..

sleeepy

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> There was a tiny bit of me that wished we could see a couple of Irish guys doing the "Boondock" thing. Ah well..

Guy_Random

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Liberty city=ny? anyway, The game looks mediocre from the trailer, graphics not good enough etc. This game might be what GTA2 was compared to GTA, no revolution but still good.

The most important thing I see for this game is, is the camera better? has it been improved as it should have been a long time ago? How is the AI? can we expect great AI, which is VERY important for a game like this, for me anyway as it is the next step in GTA sandbox games, an important one atleast. What can you do in the city? can we expect more interaction, more content, like banks, shops, nightclubs, regular apartements etc.

And... just by looking at this trailer, it aint at all impressive, lets hope the game will be, and anyone who says this is awsome trailer bla bla are full of it.

Irenicus

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I'm disappointed, there is only so much shit you can do in a city. GTA SA had mountains, farms, deserts, along with dirt bikes and combines, LOL.

I sure hope this turns out to be mare than just a cleaned up version of TRUE CRIME NYC.

Acute Gamer

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> In my opinion this teaser has only one problem: Crackdown.

Too early to tell, of course, but this seems more like a refined version of the old GTA's, while Crackdown did a bit of redefining as well.

kryo

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> and the PS2's memory bandwidth wasn't particularly spectactular.

Actually, the PS3 had the best memory bandwidth out of all 3 systems at the time, just the lowest VRAM.

EnigmaNemesis

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @darkowl: Agreed totally.

@godhandiscen: THANK YOU. This is exactly what I was looking for. Point 1 is perfectly valid, as anyone with experience in 3D modelling can tell you. Lighting calculations in general are the most expensive when rendering, and a real-time shadow like that is a pretty graphically impressive feat.

As for 2...not so much. The entire game would have to be downsampled from HD anyway--why in the world would the ads be removed outright instead of downsampled with the rest? (Aside from this, a scrutinizing eye shows that the ads are fakes made to resemble real ads, like most things in GTA. They wouldn't have to change--and if they do, you sure can't tell from the trailer.)

3...maybe, but what in that trailer says the AI is improved? Even if it does, the GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) has nothing to do with the AI routines of the pedestrians, it would be responsible for rendering them. Also, 30fps is not "very slow". It's standard--the human eye only receives 30fps, 60fps games look "faster" because there are no sync issues. The majority of games (including the other GTAs) are 30fps.

Point 4...moving from location to location has been in every GTA since 3, and the PS2's memory bandwidth wasn't particularly spectactular. It's done by background loading during gameplay--something I'm sure no one will claim the Wii is incapable of.

GundamAC197

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Rockstar creates fictional versions of real cities:
Liberty City = NYC
Vice City = Miami
San Andreas = LA

I thought this was obvious...

itcomesinwaves

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> NEW YORK. ZOMG.

Hyperfludd

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Jonn:

Maybe so...

But I'm sure that life be much better for everyone if they just stopped.

G1GAHURTZ

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I really am praying for the "turn around and vanish" issue that was seen in the other GTA games cept for 3, to be resolved with the next gen gaming consoles.

What I mean by that is, you have 3 cars behind you. You turn your back to those three cars. Turn around again and those 3 cars are gone.

It wasnt a big thing, but kinda dampened the experience of the living breathing world deal.

Witzbold

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @G1GAHURTZ: Also known as "life".

Jonn

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> It makes me laugh when people pretend to know what they're talking about, then only end up make themselves look stupid.

G1GAHURTZ

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> For those of you with an XBOX 360, the trailer is available in hi-def on XBOX Live Marketplace, for free. It really looks good on a direct-view CRT HDTV.

bornonce

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @GundamAC197: You say "Now, I'll ask again, to anyone who cares to answer--what in this trailer is so graphically advanced that a Wii port is out of the realm of possibility?"
1) Real time global lighting. A technique that takes only one source of light to illuminate all objects in the environment. A very expensive graphical technique that not even Gears Of Wars has. This lighting technique makes the light seem more real as it actually moves according to the changing positions of the light source (the sun in this case). As of now the only other games that I have heard employ this technique is Crackdown (to a very limited extent), Crysis, and Halo 3 (coupled with self shadowing which is incredibly ambitious).
2) High Resolution textures for advertisement. Did you see the high def version of the trailer? All those billboards employ high resolution textures. You need at least 250MB of ram to handle these. These billboards will have advertisements, so a Wii version most likely would drop all advertisements meaning less profit for Take 2. Also, this advertisements change gradually over time with downloable content that automatically updates like in Crackdown, which means that Rockstar will be using the HDD for this. The Wii has no HDD whereas PS3 and 360 can do it. 512MB of flash memory (Wii's memory) isnt enough to hold the size of these downloable textures.
3) Improved NPC AI multiplied times 30-40 on screen characters. the old GTA games showed only 10-20 max pedestrians per screen. As shown in this trailer, the number of pedestrians is much more. This features is not only graphical expensive but it will give the 360/PS3 GPU a hard time. TBH, I believe the game will have a very very low framerate 30fps at most given the fact this is the most ambitious feature.
4) Now think of all these features and those not seen in the trailer, and add the fact that in a game like GTA you constantly move from location to location, meaning you need a really big bandwith to stream all content. The bandwith of the Wii would bottleneck all this content, and make for a horrible pop up effect of objects, as I said, 360/PS3 will barey be able to process the things shown in the trailer.

Thats it for the things shown in the trailer. Obviously, as another poster said, they may be able to just slap in the old GTA: SA engine and adapt the game for the Wii, but it just wouldnt be the same game, and who knows, maybe there are gameplay features that actually do require the power of the 360/PS3.

... we havent even touched those things not seen in the trailer.

godhandiscen

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Whats this I hear about everyone bitching how its going to be the same? Its a damn trailer showing about 30 seconds of the game, wait till they release more information about it, you dont know how its gonna go down.

MO3iusONE

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I dunno what is wrong with people complaining on how it looks.

For a full size living breathing world, it looks damn impressive. These "next gen" consoles are not Cray power stations.

And the originals (PS2/Xbox/PC) didnt looks "all that", quite frankly they looked like poop compared to most games, but the scope of a full living breathing, daylight and weather effect city was remarkable at that.

Dont care for the game, but seriously, what do you expect out of something so big with so much going on?

EnigmaNemesis

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> "Perhaps things will be different?"

No, I bet not. Looks like things are going to be a lot more of the same.

Ndogg550

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Good money says the main character is named Kivlov.

GOOR

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Cool trailer but I'll agree with a lot of you that I was definitely expecting more from all the hype generated by that fucking countdown. I hope we see more trailers for the next 7 months till it's finally released. Since it's coming out for 360 and PS3, I hope it looks superb on the PS3 and not shit (like Armored Core 4).

jsin007

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> If this is just one city,This game is shit,I mean like 2 games for one city is enought,You dont need frecking 3,and look at San andreas....That game was frecking huge,not just some new bridges and some graphics that look great compared to table tennis,geez im dissapointed man:(

Soyerz

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @glamnesia: Well, they can always go with all the other gangsters. Asian-no, wait, back in 2D. Italian? No, wait, GTA3 and VC. Latino? GTA3 and, I'm guessing, VC. Black? The entirety of SA. There's just not that many regions left.

Jonn

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Jesus. So many people are making up their minds on this game from a 60 second trailer consisting of nothing more than some time lapse shots and random beauty shots of the game. We know absolutely nothing about it yet gameplay wise, or almost anything else. hell, that might not even be the main character we saw.

Just surprised how many people are saying "OMFG AMAZING" and "UM ROCKSTAR IS SO GHEY AND THIS GAME LOOKS AWFUL!11" after seeing such a minimalistic trailer...

bryantstanton

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Russian gangster?! I AM SOLD SO HARD. My hype for this game has exploded through the roof.

SpaceWhale

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Spartan1308:

Nothing like Table Tennis? Are you kidding me? Compare what's going in Table Tennis, a small room with a set amount of players and a static background to a FULL city that can be explored, seen and interacted with. GTA IV looks great for a freeroaming, sandbox-style game.

Matt

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> The koyannisquatsi music definetly made me crack a smile.

bryantstanton

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> For the hype, that trailer wasn't as good as I thought it was gonna be.

Last time I let a countdown control my life. -.-

Knightfall_1138

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Did you guys ever think that possibly the game revolves around the past that this guy is talking about, and therefor not set in Liberty City?!

But ends in Liberty City!

Jojuinc

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> What the hell is wrong with people. That was awesome!

It seems like they have duplicated New York. Even if it is only Manhatten, that is a huge task but I think they got ALL of NY. The graphics are pretty nice, what I was hoping for. The draw distance is INSANE. If it resembles Crackdown I will be very happy.

The best part is we get to play a Russian Mobster. The most ruthless of the underworld.

I think they only wanted to announce the Location and the Character. Mission accomplished. With six months to go there is a lot of time to announce the other details that are new to the series. GTA 4 is very high on my list. I am curious to see what system will handle the game better. If it plays better on the PS3 then I guess I will have to buy one of those to play it. This will probally be the first game to seperate the two systems.

TheRealMaxPower

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Am I the only one who thinks the protagonist could use some work? We didn't see much, but he looked really stiff.

themunk

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @psychicfriend:

LOL yeah Animal metroplis would have been cool!
Really though they got to fix those windows man really it's really erking me! Hey maybe they aren't going for realism this time, maybe this is their first surreal game? And you spend the first have unable to see the sun glare off windows or even reflection on them due to some weird rock star manufactured drug from russia! Now that would be cool...LOL it'll be swee t though but come on the wii even has window reflections the weakest system! I wonder if man hunt will have reflections in windows? Maybe rock star is incapable of making that shader GASP!

No really it will halp the game believe me. Other wise it should be sweet. This is very tweakable hopfully.

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Question: Will the PC version use DirectX 10 ?

Now seriously, I'm a fan of GTA since London and I really want this game from day 1 :P
Now, I'm gonna have a very nice summer with sun and beach before lock up myself in my basement with my copy.

See you in 6 months...

slimky

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Ashurahori: hahaha

RedRedSuit

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Really like how? Are you trying to say they don't have the sun setting effect... hell that was on the PS2. Hell red steel had the lighting model of this game. I just wanted to post this for the poepl saying that the wii couldn't handle that city. Hey but we will only find out if rock star puts this on the wii. Also too z buffer shadows are pretty standard now.

I don't know I wanted to believe...LOL hey it won't take away from the game. I don't know, to mean this isn't cool though yet they still have time to put this stuff in there.

I guess crytek was right all along... Final verdict it's cool yet i'm not impressed... I'll let them finish it though.

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Oh yes. The Russian gangster character.
Rockstar give good stereotype.

glamnesia

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @RedRedSuit:

He might be refering to entering ALL buildings. Although, that would be suicide for any team of texture development... probably the greatest programming challenge ever in the history of games.

"Bill! Today, you've got to create textures for every single building in New York City!"

Ashurahori

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I am SOOOOO pissed. I was totally hoping they would go for that same character look and style as MySims for the Wii. That would have rocked.

psychicfriend

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Runna, look at the shot of the church with the big glass-windowed building in the background. Look at the bottom of the glass building. Then tell us all about your genius window reflections. They're there, they just aren't immediately apparent in the shots chosen for this teaser.

Albrot

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Runna:

The lighting model in that video isn't even close to the one in the GTA vid...

humilitybecomeshim

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Ashurahori:

LOL check this out

http://www.nwiizone.com/nintendo-wii/nwii/spiderman-3-wii-...

It for the people who said this GTA couldn't be done. Geometry intsancing and you got a street crowd but come on it look almost like GTA with reflections in the windows... This is spider man on the friggin Wii man what gives. Is it FMV...LOL


Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @@ scepia
"I'm voting PS3, because of the 3x more storage space on the disk."

Hey not if I spend $180 for a 120gb propriety hard drive!!!
lol, yeah right...

darkslide

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> FINALLY!

A 'Moscow On The Hudson' video game!

America! What a country!

GSPanovich

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Ashurahori: Not only does he have zero idea of what this game will be like (how could he, based on this vague trailer?), he's also blatantly wrong about past GTAs, as well. For example, his statement that you "obviously" wouldn't be able to enter builds... except you can already do this in the last 2 GTAs.

RedRedSuit

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I'll be content to wait for the PC version, as jaw-droppingly awesome as this looks.

mrdietsoda

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @penhalion:
For God's sake, how can you even say that? Have you played the game? Have you tried it out, have you seen gameplay videos, have you heard anymore information about the game, except for this very vague trailer which simply tells us how the game's going to look?

You guys say that "graphics don't matter, as long as a game's fun", but you're being downright bitchy about this. No matter how much people don't like GTA, they can't deny that GTAIII was a revolution in free-roaming, and San Andreas was a sandbox wonder. Rockstar has it in them. The people who are saying that the graphics should be as good as Table Tennis, should compare the processing power of the 360 being used to make a room with a few people pretty, or make a HUGE city pretty. The graphics are very good, as far as I can see. And that's all we've been shown so far. That's all we can complain about so far.

Ashurahori

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Islandkiwi: "I'm voting 360, because of the achievements and the rumble."

I'm voting PS3, because of the 3x more storage space on the disk.

Skeep

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I'm sorry this is just wrong... just look at that trailer.. even the cars have more reflection WTF is going on here? the the distance draw is the same... WTF

They better fix this or the Wii is as powerful as the HD crap is going to pop back up...

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Islandkiwi:

"I'm voting 360, because of the achievements and the rumble."

Well, I don't think the rumble issue is gonna change for the PS3, but isn't PS3 Home (coming out in September, before GTA's release) going to bring game achievements to the PS3? I'm pretty sure it is.

a7knight

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> To the guys that are saying the wii could do this just take a look at

this...
http://www.nwiizone.com/nintendo-wii/nwii/spiderman-3-wii-...

They actualy have reflections on the widows too..WTF is rock star not trying?

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Ashurahori:

Yes it is just like the others. The original GTA developers left rockstar a while back. This is just the next gen version hence the IV postfix.

The engine looks slightly less impressive than saints, which is what? a year old now. You obviously can't walk into buildings either so the city will automatically feel like a large cardboard cutout.

You'll either get bored free roaming the city or waltz through the linear story and then trade it in. People love the GTA name but, as sales have shown. The majority even those hyping it up on here, are actually pretty bored of the franchise.

penhalion

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> He could easily look to be of 'middle eastern' descent and still speak with a Russian accent. What's the problem? Seems like an intriguing character.

Nascia

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I'm not sure if it's Liberty of New York. Obviously, Liberty is fitting because it's GTA, a sign says "Liberty" on it, and there's a Burger Shot sign. But, as IGN pointed out, it has NYC landmarks such as the Statue of Liberty and Time Square (neither of which were in Liberty City). Also, R* said they were going in a completely different direction with this one. I guess we'll have to wait and see...

sly_madman

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @GundamAC197:

True, the trailer, even in hi-def looks like something that could easily be done on a less complex machine. The sticking points could be the soft shadows and light shard effects.

However, it's not just about "x * 1,000,000 polygons and 500 jigglybytes of textures lolol!", it's about art direction... and from the looks of things, the art direction is spot on.

humilitybecomeshim

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Stunning.

humilitybecomeshim

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Ooh, shadows! And a nasty case of uncanny valley. Bleagh.

"So we have lots of shadows and not much else. What should we do?"

"Show them some time lapse and a rollercoaster. Those dipshits won't know what hit 'em!"

themunk

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @REUYL:
Let's try and see it like this:

Could Dead Rising have been released to the XBox, with downgraded graphics? The answer is no. Because then, the zombie number would have to be decreased, and the crazed difficulty of traversing crowds of zombies would low down to "hey, ten zombies are in that room! That's alot!"
Think about it. New and more advanced software doesn't just mean prettier graphics. It means whole new worlds! Bigger, fantastic realms, with smarter enemies, realistic physics, more intelligent NPCs, and a real, living, breathing world around you. GTAIII was a revolution that only the 128-bit generation could deliver. GTAIV is aiming higher.

Ashurahori

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I'm so looking forward to this. I was a tad disappointed with Saints Row... the targeting was good, but the driving controls, tiny streets and clunky car cam spoiled it for me. Just Cause and Crackdown were nice snacks, but I think the main course is coming in October.

I always saw Liberty City as a mashup up of New York and Philadelphia (Liberty Bell) This looks like a more New-Yorky than before... but still clearly LC. Yay!

mr.dandy

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Well, if you have both the 360 and the ps3, which console would you buy it for? I'm voting 360, because of the achievements and the rumble.

But who knows what ps3 will have by the time this game hits the streets?

Islandkiwi

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Ashurahori:

You really think it's going to be that different than the old GTA? Well it's good to see you excited. So what can we expect? really looks like they used most of the HD systems up so far? WHAT motivation do they have to make this one different? All of the other where the same too?

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> It's the president of Iran invading America!

D00mM4r1n3

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> This iteration of Liberty City looks so much like New York City, it's not even funny. The graphics themselves look damned good, as expected. Too bad the trailer doesn't truly show how "Things will be different."

Draconis

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Ashurahori:

That's a good point. Vice City and San Andreas were almost expansions (or "chapters", if you will) of the whole GTA 3 mojo.

REUYL

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> After playing Crackdown and watching this, I really don't care. I'd much rather jump over buildings and throw cars than be a gangster again, and again.

Looks pretty good, but they really need to change the formula, because after GTA:SA I got friggin' sick of GTA games.

Tensong

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> This game just couldn't be on the Wii. GTAIV is not simply about "another game", or "another story". Rockstar didn't call Vice City, or San Andreas "GTAIV", because they simply didn't consider them sequels. They were, although very improved from the originals, "add-ons", or "other stories". This GTA isn't just going to be another GTA like III, or Vice City. It's going to be a brand-new entry on the franchise. As such, it'll feature a brand new engine, great graphics, specific gameplay, and most important of all, it's going to be a game in which things will happen that couldn't be done in the other GTAs will be done here. Imagine making a whole new game, that's set to impress everyone, on an old engine? That would destroy the whole purpose. It would be like playing Half-Life 2 without the physics engine. Or a PS1 version of Halo. People, GTAIV is set to impress. This isn't just going to be "another game", Rockstar are putting their money on this, and because of that, they're not fooling around with the game. Give them some respect. Because, as GTAIII revolutionized games with the whole new concept of free-roaming in full 3D, they won't let this one go down as a simple entry.

Ashurahori

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Man I hope he's from the middle east. That would be original... finally a game which isn't about killing Arabs.

Benzido

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Liberty City and the game features a Russian character (not necessarily the protagonist). This trailer is a HUGE disappointment.

Suilenroc

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Cool, now give me Bully 2.

REUYL

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Wow, another GTA game, and I still don't care. Well, not since III anyway. GTA is the new/simultaneous Pokemon. They just keep bringing them out, and people just keep on buying them. Except for the PSP games. Okay, so the metaphor didn't quite work out. Nonetheless, I know I'll be flamed, but I'll be spending my $60 elsewhere, on a game that I'll actually be able to control.

bassbeast

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Yep just watched the HD version it just needs some type of light blume in the window reflection also to they need some normal mapping on those building too to catch and highlight the detail. It looks good texture wise in most parts but those buildings make it seem unfinished. Thats just a graphic concern yet it'll be cool though I hope game play wise. I wonder if they will make the police as trigger happy? Now if they use 1996 this game would rule cuz thats when the really good rapper where doing their thing. Wu-tang was big then to yet it's too bad we won't see any Belly like clubs cuz that would be so sweet. I know tons of people that would buy it just for that alone...

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> It's so cute how so many people, all over the Internet, are criticizing gameplay they've never seen, in a game they claim they'll never play. All they see is a few in-engine shots and some guy doing a voice over and walking away from the camera, and they are able to discern how the game's look, the game's gameplay, and the thread count of the protagonist's undershirt, using arcane skills we mere mortals know not.

Jonn

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> People who don't think this is Liberty City are insane. Yeah, it has a Statue of Liberty-style thing, but that doesn't mean it's New York, it just means that they're doing the same thing they did with San Andreas: Stealing landmarks and renaming them. Hollywood sign, Watts towers, Golden Gate bridge, U.S. Bank Tower, blah blah blah.

This is Liberty City. End of story.

Evin

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Polyh3dron: lol!

Ok, that got a good laugh out of me. Yeah, the draw distance was what jumped out at me at first, too. Still, depth-of-field techniques could compensate for that, couldn't they? Lowering the poly count on distant objects and adding a blur filter probably wouldn't look that bad.

GundamAC197

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @godhandiscen: Wha? I think you clicked the wrong "reply to" link.

Doomstalk

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> LOL also too NYC ain't that clean...LOL Look like NYC moved to japan...LOL I'm going to check out the high def version just to be fair.

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @irnchriz: A Wii is a tweaked Gamecube, but if you're going to compare it to anything logically it would be an XBox, not a PS2 (which is why I asked about it in my original post).

The Wii is the weakest graphically this gen, but lets not overlook the fact that even last gen the GC was more powerful than the PS2.

Not taking a jab at you irnchriz, I just honestly don't understand all the fuss about the Wii being a "weak" console just because it isn't HD.

GundamAC197

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Holy crap. That looks good.

Each little shot in the beginning shows off something unique. Possibly a real working mass transit system. Awesome real-time shadows. Ferries, and animated birds.

The city looks to-scale. Those skyscrapers are impressively tall and massive, they cast enormous shadows. The Roosevelt Island Tram and bridge is there. The first time you see the narrator, there are real live pigeons hanging out on the statue.

The whole thing just looks real. I like playing GTA and this looks like a great setting within which to play it.

This game ought to settle the PS3 vs. 360 argument for a while. Rockstar has had huge teams working on these games. If either system has a graphical advantage over the other, it will show in this game. Draw distance, detail, lighting, animation. This game obviously is going to be taxing on both systems. The relative quality of this game on the two systems will be a decision maker for lots of late comers.

Ess

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> So guys, how long before MC JT weighs in? Is he gonna say that GTAIV is a terrorism sim because the main character has a foreign accent?

Tudo-Legal

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @GundamAC197: If this was to be on the Wii the draw distance would have to be reduced to a point where they would have to call it GTA4: Silent Hill Edition. People and cars would pop up out of nowhere right in front of you.

Polyh3dron

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Looks awesome

NoBullet

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> GTA has always been Meh it's always had potiential to get better too. Graphics wise Saints row only looks better during explosion where shaders are used. It like the building don't have any glass in them even rhough they have windows. It pretty clear either this game won't have the shaders of say a Gear of war or they just simply couldn't get it done on both systems as they clearly went for draw distance. Would this game look better in SD maybe so.

Maybe i'll get better but one thinng is for sure I think you guys just witness the best it's going to get for these HD consoles, some thing has to to go to make room for all of geometry. After the graphics on the PS2 I can see how some of you are impressed...LOL

I hope mass effect doesn't suffer from this. With all that being said this game will sell pretty much since there may not be any competition on the HD systems in OCT, but we will see. Smart of them to reuse content though, yet I hope they add new interactive places.

To me the roller coaster shot was the best shot and the ship reminds me of metal gear....LOL
The building still have that hey MOM look a made a 3d model look. They just need some good old polish on this one and it will be fine... if this is all they can do then WOW it maybe alittle disappointing ya know?

Runna

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Also, remember that this is the first trailer. So don't start bangin' on it yet. So far, it's looking pretty damn good.

Yeah, and what's with the "Koyaanisqatsi" feel? Freaky.

dead_red_eyes

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> For you wackos comparing this to "Saints Row" ... go eat a left nut. "Saints Row" was the stupidest game I've ever seen, and truly pandered to the needs of your typical American white suburban kid who wished he was black.

Now this, this is a mans game. Raw and gritty. The dynamic lighting looks simply amazing, and the game looks very realistic. I cannot wait!!!

dead_red_eyes

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I thought it was Ukrainian, my good bud sounds exactly like that. Who else is excited about ex-KGB missions and dealing with mafia in high def!!!

Scazza

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @GundamAC197:

It could easily be ported to the Wii, just load up the PS2 game engine and slap the scripting from this onto it. No lighting effects, low res textures, low poly cars and peds, job done. Remember Wii, is just a tweaked gamecube and as such will suffer from getting ports from the PS2 (Manhunt 2 for example).

I can see a port of LC stories but not of this im afraid.

irnchriz

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> RUSSIANS REPRESENT!

Polkster

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @sxp151:

If you go to the GamesRadar page, this comment is at the bottom:

As for the ultra-polished look of the trailer, Rockstar has the following to say: "We can confirm that all footage in the trailer 'Things Will Be Different' was captured directly from 720p gameplay running real-time in RAGE [the game's engine] on a next-gen gaming console."

justhesh

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> If Spider-Man 2 on the X-box/PS2 can replicate a pretty good chunk of manhattan, I'd think GTA4 on the nextgen machines would... In higher detail. Looks about a billion times better then that Spider-Man 3 game, thats for sure.

Regardless, if its NY or Libery City... man... that does look pretty.

Mentski

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> did anybody notice the building called getalife. and i think the main character is russian.

spainland

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> moody. it gave me chills. not from the graphics but the vibe. it was melancholy and brooding. that thing had more style than all the clones combined. the Koyaanisqatsi bite is rad.

Camperton

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @GundamAC197: Nothing.

Spartan1308™

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @godhandiscen: Ok, let's try this again.

My earlier comment wasn't a rhetorical question. I honestly wanted for someone to point out the things graphically that are so "next gen" about this trailer. I don't make any argument about it not looking good, I honestly don't see what about it couldn't be ported for Wii as well.

I was looking for a genuine response, and you dropped in just to say "buy a more powerful console", which didn't help me at all. You say the response is obvious, but you don't offer anything resembling one--which (perhaps incorrectly) said to me that you didn't have any idea why, you just felt like being a dick. I'm planning on buying a 360 at some point, but for now I have a Wii (and I don't regret the purchase.)

Now, I'll ask again, to anyone who cares to answer--what in this trailer is so graphically advanced that a Wii port is out of the realm of possibility?

GundamAC197

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> None of this stuff looks like it's in-game. This looks like a Final Fantasy trailer; it doesn't tell you anything about the actual gameplay. The only thing that looks like game footage is the character, who looks terrible.

sxp151, the happy-headed nose

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @irnchriz: There is more STUFF in the picture, but that STUFF all has sharp edges. Try comparing videos. I saw the HD version of this trailer. I'm just not a GTA fanboy. There are plenty of others here who agree the graphics are unimpressive. Try reading a few other comments.

Spartan1308™

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> russian accent anyone?

coolyfooly88

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Keyser_Soze: I was being sarcastic, maybe I should have added a "/sarcasm" at the end.

3inst3in

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I think the main character is from Kazakhstan.

br549

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> It's nice to see where IV is going, and I am excited to play it. On the other hand it is still over half a year away so people shouldn't be TOO excited.

ca$h

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @godhandiscen: Oh, I see now. Nevermind...

Cathaoir

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Having pulled through the trailer they are really trying to show off the dynamic lighting and shadows. i think that once you play this game that effect will pretty much wash over you but anyone watching you play will really be impressed by that effect. Proper lighting adds loads to realism. Normally shadows in games like this are static shaders. Or the lighting is overdone (think Just Cause or farcry).

irnchriz

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> It's a different city?

Statue of Liberty, Times Square, Union Station, and Brooklyn Bridge were shown in the trailer. >.>

TC

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!!

ZWarren69

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> The comments here solidfy my opinion that no matter how good you make something, someone will come along and proclaim it as uninspiring, unimaginative, and unworthy of their time.

Naysay all you want haters. You're wrong. This game looks freakin' sweet! While you're cryin' about how much hype it's caused and how many people are buying and playing it, I'll be busy laughing my ass off blowing shit up.

Shumina

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I must say I'm a little "meh" with this trailer. Perhaps if they just put it out there I would have been more impressed but the hype kind of built is up too much in my mind. I was expecting to be blown away. Looks nice though.

Munkey_Funk

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> The graphics look good, but like all trailers, they're showing us the best bits.

floppylobster

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I have some russian blood in me and I don't think he is russian, my best guess is that he comes from Georgia or Armenia. But hey, he could be from anywhere :)

madmats

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Cathaoir:
He said "thats not an explanation" In the post I was responding to, he asked for an explanation to why the Wii wouldnt get a version of this game, which is fairly obvious. Also, my comment about the skin tone, is not because all Russians or all Arabians are of only one color, but because a videogame is most likely to reflect stereotypes rather than diversity.

godhandiscen

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @Spartan1308:

What version of the clip did you watch? If you download the Hi-res one you will see that considering the amount of stuff on screen the detail in the textures is superb and it looks much better than Saints (which was utter shit and looked like a xbox 1 game in 720p, in fact you do know that Saints WAS an xbox title that was held back and given a quick spot of plastic textures and pushed out when there were no other decent new releases)

You seem to be one of these tards that go oooh, aaahhh.. when they see something shiny and somehow equate that to realism. PC games are finally moving away from the shiny fad (doom3 quake 4 etc) and are getting more realistic texture shaders.

Welcome to the next gen.

irnchriz

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> There are so many cities in the Grand Theft Auto mythos. I was shocked to see Liberty City. I wonder if we are going to see Claude Speed(GTA2 and GTA3) or Toni Cipriani(Liberty City stories) or Mike(GTA:Advance)? I know we will see 8-Ball he is always around in Liberty City.

jackal888

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @3inst3in: are you mentally retarded?

Keyser Soze

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> "Perhaps here things will be different".

Oh... how he is wrong...

Torokun

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Wow - beat me to the punch on the "America's Next Top Hooker" billboard. This iteration of Liberty City / NYC does indeed look far larger - the thing starts off in Coney Island!

kortcomponent

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> ha! no real advertising that is like the greatest thing ever...
oh and nice graphics of course, definitely need to get a PS3 until then

infi

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> well, to me, this looks absolutely fantastic.

picturing doing things on an even more gameplay-evolved level than san andreas in a world that looks this good..

truly, i cannot wait.

im not surprised to find plenty of jaded gamers who arent interested in this game, on this site... everyone else i've talked to seems to be genuinely thrilled about this game.

and yes.. its LIBERTY CITY, but reimagined for the new begginning of this series. dont expect to feel any deja vu upon returning to this city... (unless you live in new york)

but also, dont expect the game to pull an exact layout of new york, like some games try. games like that... generally arent as fun.


the main character sounds cool.. and looks quite interesting. nice nice.

joelface

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I will miss the PS2 kung fu grip hands on the character models in this!

NotoriousJnX

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Download the Hi-res trailer. The GFX are lush. This is a new engine for next gen, it features proper lighting and shadows What you need to look at is how much is going on in the clip, number of peds and vehicles, draw distance etc. Looking pretty good so far.

I imaging this will take up LOADS of space on Blu-ray.

Why?

Blu-ray streams so slow that the texture banks will be repeated across the disc to enable quick seek time. Or possibly an install to HDD option.

irnchriz

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @godhandiscen: I think he was referring to the Arabian versus Russian debate. While I would like to note that Russians can display that pigmentation as well, I think GundamAC197 was being a little bit overly sensitive.

Cathaoir

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Dammit.

Shit.

I guess I'll have to decide on either a 360 or PS3 by October, now. *sigh*

BuckTwenty

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> OH yah! Saint's Row's Graphics Were sooooo much better than this trailer piece of S**T! lol

Saint's Row
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/747/747896/img_3864577....

GTA IV Trailer
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/827/827005/img_4435207....

3inst3in

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> @GundamAC197:
The fact you dont want to see the technical limitations do not mean they are not there. There are many more things other than graphics such an AI and Physics. You say this game doesnt look better than an Xbox game. Well, maybe you need to look at this trailer in high definition. To ask for this game "in its current state" to be ported to the Wii, would be impossible. The Wii just does not have the power to handle this type of game. A last gen GTA, yes totally, but that wouldnt be the same game. Now, you are kicking me out of these forums when I didnt insult you neither trashtalked your system of choice. The Wii is a great system to deliver new gameplay options, but a game that needs more horsepower in order to deliver a next gen experience just cant be done in the Wii. This is the explanation. If you want to play this game so badly then get a 360/PS3, if you cant, then sell your Wii. Life is about choices.

godhandiscen

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> The Kotaku peanut gallery at its finest, right here.

hambone

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Anyone who's saying it's New York and not Liberty City... Liberty City *is* New York. Where do you think the name "Liberty City" comes from? The Statue of freakin' Liberty. I mean, I guess some of you don't make the connection between "New Guernsey" and "New Jersey"?

This time around they've got more powerful hardware so they're able to simulate more of the namesake city better. But I guarantee that it's not even going to be close to a real recreation of NYC. It's got Times Square, it's got the Statue of Liberty, but beyond that it's gonna have all the Liberty City landmarks you know and love, and an abbreviated cross-section of NYC city streets.

Basically no different than the Liberty City of the past, just a bit better.

badasscat

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Xyther says:
"Liberty City again?! Goddamn, will modern culture get off the NYC bandwagon."

huh? could you please explain this theory you have about 'modern culture' being on 'the NYC bandwagon'

I'm sure it will be hilarious

SquirrelPhister

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Yawn.

Americana

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> Man, I've been waiting for a game based on Koyaanisqatsi for the longest time! I can't wait!

TheRockingDead

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> This sort of leaves me with one thought: "That's it?"

I guess I was expecting a little more... substance. It looks like all the other GTA games, which I've already played. In several iterations.

Daiden

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> i was waiting for this game, but after i've played crackdown, and soon to be spider-man 3, i dunno know if i'll want a sandbox game where i can't jump 40 feet in the air, climb massive buildings, and throw cars.

but, i still get to drive, blow stuff up, and pop caps.

PrestoMovie

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> How come everyone's all "that was all they're showing? omg blahblah blah".

Remember Vice City? All we saw for about six months was... postcards. Single images with "Wish you were here" or something on them. This at least shows footage :P. And footage that I like. Looking forward to this one :)

aelfin

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> 3inst3in says:
"I'm sure they're going to call it "Libert City" but the similarities between it and real life nyc are too much. Its NYC with a different name."

that's what Liberty City is, silly!

SquirrelPhister

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> guys, www.xbox.com has teh trailer in HD and its never slow...

As for the trailer, better then I thought, honestly... It really looks great.

Scazza

]]> <![CDATA[Grand Theft Auto IV Trailer Out, Internet Crawls]]> I'm gonna need more than that trailer to convince me to shell out money for another GTA game. SA was just disappointing for me; I don't care much about "straight outta Compton" storylines. European/Russian mafias are much cooler than American street gangs anyway.

Cathaoir

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