And besides, it's just one game. This is not what every game is going to be in the future or something. You say you would hate for every game to be story-less, well duh, I think most people would hate that. this is just one awesome sim game, you have nothing to fear here.

I really believe that narrative can blend with this sort of tech though. Okay, imagine this: you're some guy who lives in a town. You're free to do whatever you want here, and depending on the way you interact with the world--repeatedly visiting certain places or people for example-- shows the game that a story centred around these places would interest you, and thus the game triggers certain story events without you noticing it. So you have a story entirely built around you.

Say, you visit the laboratory repeatedly. One time whilst you're there you notice some blueprints or a notebook detailing how to build a time machine or how to create a zombie or something. Should you try to find out more about one of these things, you eventually trigger a zombie game, or a game where dinosaurs come into the town through the time machine or some shit. Or maybe you spend a lot of time at the military base, and you cuase a war. Or you contact aliens and they invade. Or you buy a gun and kill someone, and the game creates a story around that. Maybe you find some dusty old book in the library and it tells you how to make a magic potion and then you turn into a vampire or something. Hell, maybe you can even combine certain stories so you're a vampire fighting dinosaurs or some shit. Who knows, if the triggers are numerous and hidden well enough then it could mean that you have a completely different narrative every time you play the game.

Honestly, if anything, this sort of thing would improve storytelling in video games.

FreeSquares

Sunjammer

Because I don't think Spore is a big tech-fetish fest, even if the demo scene guys are involved. It's not positioning itself as a mediocre technological showcase like Far Cry was, and it's not even demanding anything close to high-end PC specs. What it's offering is the closest thing to unlimited creative freedom end-users have ever had in a game, though (casual ones, anyway; the mod community is definitely a huge factor but it's got a reasonable-sized barrier to entry). And it couldn't possibly do that without incredibly advanced procedural generation.

As to your final complaint, about it being "toylike," well, yes. That's even what Wright says about the game. But I don't think anyone who wasn't a gamer would look at the game as anything BUT a game. Okay, maybe a very simplified simulation of the universe, but still a game.

It contains elements Tetris, Civilization, Diablo, Simcity, Tribes, and probably dozens of other games. The inhabitants of the worlds react to you, and even if it's not an incredible story like that of Planescape Torment (which also made it YOUR story), it's simple enough to be adapted to fit thousands of different situations (I've never been a big believer in story driving games in any case. Super Mario Bros had barely any story to speak of; most arcade games didn't have one at all. Could you invent one? Sure, but the same goes for Spore; and no, I would not enjoy the shoehorning of a complex story onto Spore. With 100 million planets a real story wouldn't be feasible, so it would effectively limit the gameplay. Which would suck. I don't need to be fighting an enormous galactic empire to have fun). It's not only a game, but, I would argue, much of what a game should strive for.

In any case I wouldn't worry about Spore's technology or ideals affecting other games for awhile now, since I doubt there's any other team out there that has the desire, technical ability, and financial backing to do what the Spore team did for another few years at least.

LeGuru

However, when we do it, procedurals are a first step in the creative process: A crude base to tweak into something we can love.

The "laziness" i'm accusing proponents of procedural-as-the-final-solution of is artistic laziness, blinded by awe at what is admittedly extremely impressive technology. In my opinion a human touch is needed to touch a human; I don't see myself falling in love with an accident any time soon.

I have no idea why you seem so offended by my posts. Compared to the blinding rage i've had at other topics i've been perfectly vanilla civil. I simply think this is an incredibly interesting subject for discussion and it's something i burn for. I'm not slagging anyone, but i'm venting my anxieties over the topic. I also think it's sad that literature in games has become so underwhelming compared to how freaking rad the technology has become. You'd think games in 2006 would be able to blow things made in '97 out of the water, but so far very few actually do.

@Spindaden: That comment got me thinking. It's a good point, but i was never really comparing movies to games or vice versa. IMHO games and movies both stem from The Story, be it told by hieroglyphs, sign language, hardcore, theatre, whatever, they only differ in how the narrative is delivered. The puzzler is exempt from this, though not by far. I don't think you'd have a hard time wrapping a basic backstory around Tetris should you want to. A game, to me, is a challenge. In the case of Spore or other god games, the challenge is understanding and mastering a complex system. Yet there is no real way to win. There's just a total conflict there that i can't seem to chill out around. Spore, to me, like The Sims, looks like a cool toy. But i just don't know if it's actually a game.

I would hate.. Hate.. Hate.. To live in a world where another game with a narrative on the level of Planescape Torment is unthinkable. That just breaks my heart to bits, and the way games seem to work out now it's all a big tech fetish party.

You got to believe me guys i am in complete awe at the technology at display here. It is very cool stuff. But you'd be crazy to disagree with me that this kind of tech hand in hand with a high quality narrative would not be at least a LITTLE lethal.

But i'll give it a shot. I'd say my angst is probably totally unjustified. But what if it's not :( i want my mama

Sunjammer

Protector one

But the accusations you throw at it, "laziness" (if you had bothered to research a bit of the game's development process you'd realize nothing could be further from the truth) and aimlessness, just don't make sense. For me, the very greatest thing about this game is its lack of a clear "mission." Almost every day I play some sort of mission-based game, whether or not it has a story, and that hasn't gotten any less fun, but sometimes what I truly want to do is explore. My favorite part of Twilight Princess is just riding across Hyrule Field, admiring it, searching for landmarks. Maybe picking up a heart piece here and there.

And when I saw what Spore was, and what it was capable of, I fell in love. Finally, Will Wright is offering the opportunity for me to play a game that I've dreamed of since I was eight years old, the game I got into programming because I wanted to make--the game where nearly anything is possible, where there are millions of planets to explore and everything is customizable at every level, where I can manage a tribe or save a nation, create beautiful forests where no two trees look alike, find and terraform the most bizarre planets imaginable, and all in the same game.

Eighty-seven years. That's how long it would take just to SEE every planet in Spore. The replay value is effectively limitless.

And for me, Spore is at least the first step along the way to making my idea of a perfect game.

I don't know who wants this game feels exactly as I do. Probably many feel it less fervently or couldn't care less about the exploration, and just want to create something as bizarre as possible and share it with their friends. But I hope you now understand why some of us feel like the least of our concerns is a goal-oriented "plot." Doesn't mean you have to feel that way, but...

Okay, never mind. I just read your post again and realized this is all completely wasted on you because you don't understand procedural generation, the appeal content creation, exploration and simulation games in general, or really any of the things that make Spore a great game.

But disagreeing is not necessarily trolling, correct. You haven't directly insulted anyone yet.

LeGuru

Oh lord. Please go read my follow up.

CalcioFool

Matters

Matters

Enjoy your time here in Austin .. South by's pretty sweet I use to host their website up until about 2 years ago. I love having all this action around downtown all the time it makes working down here more fun that it already was..

Matters

Procedural content and generation isn't as simple as your random seed generation.
It follows a much more complex set of rules for various areas of the game.
I won't say I understand it all that well.

This content generation method isn't about being half-assed or lazy either; his early speeches explain that content development costs, time, and manpower with the high-end gaming technology have skyrocketed, and the feedback the player gets is disproportionate.

Wright has a lot of very different, very experimental things here not typically seen in a mainstream game. You've got your insane compression ratio of creature files, cross-pollination, generation based on extremely complex rules from tons of outside factors and across many areas of the game, simple 3d modelling character creation to (once again) give the player a sense of ownership --

He and his team believe they're accomplishing a lot here to help the game industry in some way.

The way I see it, Wright's games all appear to have been leading up to something like Spore this whole time.

And whether you like the idea or not, it's going to get us a toy to play with for a while.
No telling if it's truly going to be as shallow as you/great as we think it is until we actually play the thing though.
I guess it's unlikely you'll convince us otherwise, which seems just as unlikely as us convincing you to enjoy it. :/

I just wish we could all be a little less tight and critical about our entertainment; but I suppose you have to be if you don't want to end up wasting your money and time.
I know all about that.

In any case, here's hoping you get what you want someday.
Maybe I'll be there getting it too.

Gauphastus

fleshribbon

Sopre is like that. I'm sure there'll be some kind of motivation, but the idea of "evolve and conquer" will be the main pushing point. But also, like EVO, I can see myself trying to explore all the evolution possibilities, just to see what they are. When you beat Super Mario World for the first time, did you go back and finish the levels you'd skipped? What was your motivation there, other than exploration and achievement? And to think of it, this game uses the same basic psychological bait every time (survive, grow, achieve...) to have you play a number of different games (all the way from "Pac-Man" style to civilization/RTS style to "I conquered the galaxy and now it's my big sandbox" style) And that's why it's cool.

ninjafetus

When I read his thoughts on storytelling I get the feeling that Spore is only one small step towards his vision. Spore lets you create your own world and live it out any way you want, but its a silent story, its all in your head. You don't have anyone narrating it all and no cutscenes or anything to show your story. I think that Will's vision is to create a game where the story is created by you actions in the same way as you create your species in Spore, you make a choice (Mouths on the arms) and the game reflects on that choice and make it work with all your other choices thus creating a unique story from small fragments. Sure technollogy like that is far into the future but Spore is one step towards that. And I believe that people are different, some dudes will play this game for months, years and some for a couple of weeks and then stop because they need the games they play to motivate them to carry on playing. I think I could play this game for a longer extent of time driven only by my curiosity, what can be found on that planet over there? What happenes if I destroy that world? What will that crossbreed look like?

Will Wright is progressing the game medium with this game, taking it one step further, and I think his ideas and visions is going to change this media we have grown to love for the better down the road.

TakeoNinja

"At least with legos you are creating an object. With the Sims or any other Maxis/EA toybox title, you're honestly not making shit."

That's a matter of divided opinion. You're not making anything physical, true, but player generated content is fast becoming much more than a buzzword (see sony's stuff at gdc).
The distribution method in spore for your creations is the slickest i've seen, i guess the idea is that you go round to your mates house and through random chance you see him fighting against a race of creatures that you built, that'd be well cool. I imagine there'll also be specific downloads and uploads to be had so you can make sure that that happens.

In the sims and the sims2 you have the building blocks for stories: main characters, drives and ambitions, romance, challenges of various sorts, unexpected problems for your characters to overcome and so on. Alot of the hard work was done for you in those games.

In spore it's the same deal, the player generated content is your wee alien dudes, and the computer decides for you what you actually meant when you put the particular lumps together in that order, anything that doesn't work (i.e. is crap) i imagine will get eaten pretty damn quickly and never make it out into the big wide internet.

Personally, i've been interested in procedural content generation technology for years and i've been waiting for someone to do this sort of game with it; is it what i would have done had i been a very experienced and highly respected game designer with a full studio behind me? Not really, but it's pretty damn close, and I for one can't wait to play around with it and giggle like a schoolgirl when my cute furry bunny creature kicks seven bells out of the penis-men.

oh yeah, and as Dorgort said, there are story elements (of the conquer the galaxy type) in the latter stages, but i believe these sorts of elements exist at every stage of the game.

It seems to me that people who think that a game is all about the story are missing the crucial distinction between films and games.

Spindaden

@ninjafetus: You're probably right :) I'm totally ready to say i'm simply not getting it. I guess i go to games for something specific rather than just to waste time.

Sunjammer

I argue that without a meaningful, focused single player "campaign" of sorts they are missing out on a large segment of their target demographic. Handholding is one thing, but once you've finished with the tutorial and the game goes "now go forth and make thine animals fucke, salutations, good lucke", what real incentive is there to push on? To see some more procedural content? At least the sims has something inherently in common with the user to make their characters emote in more meaningful ways.

I'll go out on a limb and say procedural content is the biggest steaming pile of flat out laziness ever seen on the part of developers. It's the random dungeon of the asset world, and we all know how random random dungeons feel.

Let's put it this way; Nothing in this game will ever give you any form of meaningful feedback between survival and dying or killing and not killing. As a narrative, "not dying" or "exploding the shit out of everything" is below cartoon level. I get that this isn't a story game, believe me, but don't try to justify it as one either, because it flat out can't compete (and doesn't try). This is why it almost angers me to read him trying to rationalize/quantize art, and especially storytelling, into something you can algorithmically generate. It's like the people that think techno is repetitive junk, and as such can be procedurally generated with equal success to an accomplished musician, which is such obvious wrongness it boggles the mind. Not only is it arrogant, it is condescending to his audience. It smells like he simply doesn't understand the subject, but thinks he's got it nailed nonetheless.

Sunjammer

The beaming down has my interest piqued because it always seemed to me like once you reached civilization level you lost touch with your species and your avatar became the spaceship. The spaceship is cool and all, but the face-to-face interaction with species, the literal first contact could be really awesome, especially when encountering a civ-level race. Come off the spacecraft in a cloud of smoke and be greeted by a cheering crowd of numerous ass-eyed creatures.

From what I understand, the space game is the game itself. The rest of it is a tutorial on how to use the editors and tools. In the space phase there will be objectives of some sort I think, not sure if this has changed since I heard it. Objectives or not, I would probably spend hours going from planet to planet, cataloging all the creatures I encounter, capturing a select few and performing bizarre cross-breeding experiments that are sure to land me an appearance on the galactic version of Maury Povich.

mrdietsoda

Sometimes these sandbox games are a little overwhelming when I just want to have some fun and "beat" a level or two.

topaz420

http://www.viddler.com/explore/zachinglis/videos/1
Credit to zachinglis (that's his viddler page). He went to SXSW and recorded that.
Good thing Wright did his demo there too, 'cause I hear you weren't allowed to record anything at the GDC.
Or something like that...

Fun stuff.
I'm thinking about ripping that video and putting it on youtube if the guy who recorded it doesn't reply to my email.
There seem to be a lot of people over at GamingSteve.com that have trouble loading viddler player at all.

Also, Wright broke his arm in a skiing accident.

Gauphastus

psychicfriend

Atheist Jew

--Oh wait. People trolling it again, but at least not for its graphics and technology this time (seriously you guys didn't have a leg to stand on), for its lack of a story. To which I respond: don't play sim games.

Nobody is hyping this up because it's Will Wright, we're hyping it up because it's an AMAZING concept for a game AND Will Wright has proven himself capable of delivering, unlike certain developers (a.k.a. Peter Molyneaux).

LeGuru

"Of course its not as easy as just that, but it gets the idea across. If the artists can lay out the general ideas and the computer figures out the details on the fly, production companies get much more content per hour and per dollar."

1) Collect existing physics and graphics engines

2) ??

3) Brand new art is created and Profit!

Good luck with that one. :) As an example: You'd think that since CG in movies are like years ahead in realism and production pipeline integration that they could build a library of artwork and effects and have a computer just populate the screen. Bam, done! Heh, not yet.

I'm not saying that it won't happen eventually. The tools could finally get easier and easier to be able to have computer aided world building..but it won't be happening for a looooong time. It's hard enough just trying to get a good programmer to make small art tools for the pipeline let alone some seriously adv. tools such as what you're describing.

I can only hope though, I would LOVE to cut out the grunt work.

JohnnyLA

You guys get this as a taster, not verbatim. Jeez, I'd need ten arms and five computers for that, ole Wrighty doesn't hold back...

Alice

This is an evolution of user created content, not a revolution. Big difference.

Karttikeya

I like the different flavors: sometimes I'm in a "God/sandbox" type mood, sometimes I'm in a "interactive fiction" mood.

Pick your flavor. These are great times. :)

JohnnyLA

I'd recommend SXSW sure, but liking parties helps! If you're after hard info though, then it's GDC all the way...

Alice

And I didn't even specify what 'higher power' meant. It could be a hamster for all you know. Again, it's my opinion, albeit I really don't care if I step on toes over it. Invest in some Kleenex, son.

starwarsfr3ak

I'm not going to get into a philosophical debate with you over the existence of God, despite the fact that you already started with the name-calling by accusing me of being "ignorant" because I don't subscribe to your views.

kylenalepa

Of course, for the people complaining about the lack of a story, it doesn't seem like there will be none at all. The Sims had little story elements in it, as did the Sim City. There are even screen-shots of out of the player interacting with aliens it what appears to be part of some little story arc centered around the conflict, it's just that there are any number of ways the player could handle it. So it's not just a "toolbox", there are certainly goals the player has to work towards, both in the near and long term.

icelight

bigman88zz

I did pick up one of those SXSW Interactive '07 gray t-shirts, the ones with the orange logo on the front and the nominees for the various awards on the back. Pretty cool.

kylenalepa

It's not overrated at all. Companies constantly complain about the high costs of game production. As Will said in this keynote speech - they just reduced 3 days of artist gruntwork into a few milliseconds. This IS the future of game production - procedural techniques that create the world around the user. Once you write the code that creates the content - you can re-use it, add to it, and have a completely new game. Want to take a western themed game and turn it into a jungle themed one? No need to go reprogram everything and re-texture all the surfaces - take the existing physics and graphics engines, throw some commands at the algorithms to generate new content and voila - cost of production ramps down drastically.

Of course its not as easy as just that, but it gets the idea across. If the artists can lay out the general ideas and the computer figures out the details on the fly, production companies get much more content per hour and per dollar.

I don't think it is even possible to overrate a game that could very literally change the face of game production.

darkened-flame

My opinion aside, I'll probably get Spore for all the cool creatures you can make. Kinda reminds me of that game called Impossible Creatures.

starwarsfr3ak

Will Wright ftw. I'm hoping they'll put new vids out soon, but who knows - as I said, this was an imprompu demo rather than an EA-screened movie...

x

Alice

Having said that, I will definitely be buying Spore. Can't wait!

cringer8

Do I like games with story (RPG's)? Sure. Do I like games with little to no story, but objective based gameplay (old platformers)? Sure. Do I like the potential to create (any level editor for a game)? Definitely. I understand your post enough to realize that you're lamenting your own lack of interest in the game, rather than the lack of potential the game provides. But, there's more than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to become a "god damn game designer messiah."

Spore might not be story driven, but to me that's akin to being in the first category of "want to experience art rather than create it." You'd rather see a great movie than make one. Some of us are interested in making movies. Just because 99% of home movies filmed on camcorders are something I'd never want to watch doesn't take anything away from the camcorder. It's just a tool. Someone with a camcorder might create something amazing, given the opportunity. And even if they don't, they might have fun making their silly home movie that you'd never want to watch (I know I have). So, when you ask what incentive there is to play Spore, the answer is the same for the incentive to film a home movie. Your imagination.

There's a huge market for "god" games, and this looks like the one that will top them all. Sure, I'll probably stick to my old school twitch action games, but I think the idea behind Spore is brilliant.

ninjafetus

so the cops come even harder.. until you flip your car, and have to escape the flaming wreckage.. and then a helicopter comes.. etc etc.

the point is THAT was a story.. a completely open-ended interactive story you just created.. and thats what is so great about GTA.. not so much the little rags-to-riches story.. which is ALSO good.. just not what makes the game so good.

so my point is.. this game is cutting out all that story bullshit, and just enhancing that open-ended gameplay.. and saying, go have your own story, and do whatever you want, and stop thinking about the fact that theres a story. just have fun.

btw, i think this article was amazing.. i especially liked his game theory discussion at the top of the article.. as a game-designer-wannabe, i was very enlightened. thanks to whoever transcribed that massive article.

joelface

and hey, does SPORE have amazinglooking graphics? or innovative, groundbreaking gameplay? yeah, i thought so.

laesperanzapaz

Mark my words this keynote will be mentioned as a turning point in the history of games and the results of it will be a much more distinct difference between games and other entertainment media. At least that is what I believe.

TakeoNinja

The whole point of it all is the interactivity.

We've done linear narrative for thousands of years. This is the first time in our history when we can make nonlinear narrative, thanks to our interactive medium. Should we not do what we can to explore that possibility?

I enjoy linear stories in games as most people do; I just think we owe ourselves to try the nonlinear path - where the player's actions tell the story. It's like this medium was created for that very purpose.

attila

No one disputes that Wright has certainly refined his game over time, but in all of the years since Sim City and the various refinements and improvements, I have never felt any more compelled to play any new ones than I was to play the first one. It comes down to the key question: Where is the game? I know that there are elements of a good game here, and that there are people who will be happy with whatever Will releases, but I am still skeptical. While Will does deliver on his promises, I never feel like any of his games amount to anything more than expanded components of what could be a good game. Basically, he seems to make great tech demos that really do not translate into great games.

kingofallcosmos

I love me a good story in a game, but there are very few games that scream at me to hear the story again. The playable beauty of Spore may lie in the fact that there is no story; you can spend hours on it experimenting or you can just explore around for five minutes a day and see what's going on. Either way, you'll get your money's worth out of the game.

cendojr

StupidDufus

Sunjammer

You see, this is why Kotaku is so cool, because they are the only blog on the interwebs that is run my pirates and robots - you just can't beat that combination (well sorta, if only there was a ninja around).

Giovaani

I though The Movies was somewhat exempt from this rule because its toolkit took a backseat to an actual empire building game with a (admittedly limited) narrative.

This is obviously not a story game, which is why i equate it to Tetris in that regard. I just find it disheartening that Will Wright is so obviously uninterested in storytelling when it is a giant piece of the puzzle of The Great Videogame that he's completely omitting. Hell, dropping that responsability into the hands of the enduser is disregarding the simple truth that every memorable story driven mod for any game has only made it to fruition through diligence, revision, testing and, yes, adversity. You can't just give people the clay and say have fun if your final goal is actual quality content. If anything, Second Life is ginormous evidence of this.

I don't know guys, i just really don't feel STOKED to see all the penis species kids can come up with with absolutely zero other incentive to get involved. I just don't think people are that inherently creative to make something truly interesting. My guess is 99/100 user created content for something like this is at worst complete garbage and at best completely uninteresting.

Sunjammer

Kind of disappointed now...

jack_straw

Interesting stuff though good job getting it all down.

Matters

edit: I'm not a big *fan* of simulations...

gawd, I wish there was a way to edit posts

Ainai

When the hell did I "shit" on this EXCELLENT game? Stop lying to yourself, to make it seem like you had a point to insult me.

May God forbid that I can post my opinion without unnecessary insults.

Karttikeya

I'm not a big of simulations either, but I found his keynote quite inspiring. It's interesting how he breaks down storytelling scientifically into little interactive elements that we can play around with to assemble a story.

A lot of what was said reminded me of Lionhead's The Movies, which made it easier for people to create their own machinima. Interactive storytelling has a lot of potential, but the caveat is "how many of us are good storytellers?"

Ainai

Five Element Ninja

yidali

Five Element Ninja

Sturm Truppen

In answer to comments about having to create all your own stuff. Chaim said that they aim to allow people to create content with as little or as much effort as one wants and always be able to create cool stuff.

So you will be able to with just a few clicks build a character much like you would pick your weapons or class in a FPS. Alternatively they want the tool set to be rich enough that someone could spend all their time in the editors creating cool stuff.

Also its where the community comes in you will be able to aquire content from others and it is intented to tailor your choices towards your preferences. Similar to how something like Netflix attempts to recommend movies. Which definately can be hit and miss.

All that said you can tell Spore is not going to be a game for everyone. No game will ever be for everyone. Halo is not for my mom. And The Sims is not for me.

And yeah that write up was amazing. Sounded pretty damn close to how he talk live.

glipz

Xudus

I was hoping people would not miss the sarcasm of me poking fun at the other responses. Hopefully Alice at least got it! :)

CalcioFool

frieze

CalcioFool

He broke his arm playing the Wii? What?

xpnet

He is approaching game design like a toymaker through and through and i'm certain that's truly valid for a large segment of the population, but i really do go to games as an alternative to literature, and i expect the literature of a game to at least be the hook to drive me through the experience.

This literature doesn't have to be spectacular, but dumping me in a universe to play with evolution? In terms of story, Spore is like the world's biggest tetris.

I can understand this angle to a certain extent, but i am in no way at all sold on this game. Is it crazy of me to say i absolutely loathe almost every Sim* game ever made, excluding SimAnt(wtf)? I simply don't feel like a toy box is incentive enough to bother. At least with legos you are creating an object. With the Sims or any other Maxis/EA toybox title, you're honestly not making shit.

To me, the incentive is an interesting story that will inspire me to play through and maybe even make me think a little on its implications. Games with narratives as primitive as Ninja Gaiden did this, hell, back in the dizzy even Double Dragon did. Megaman had me fascinated as hell when i was a kid. In more recent times, Planescape Torment, System shock/2 and the Thief trilogy stand as the strongest examples of western storytelling in games that i can think of.

Spore strikes me as unbelievably cool technology, but there is literally zero urge on my part to even consider playing it. All i can think of is how badass it'd be if Will Wright actually got together with, say, Warren Spector or Ken Levine and made a story driven game built on his brilliant engineering. Until he manages to tick that interest in me, all i'll think about when i hear his name is an enormous missed opportunity.

Sunjammer

nerfgun

Great job!!!

dead_red_eyes

youre amazing! thanks for the wonderful article!

shaunomacx

Now what am I supposed to do?
Hate the fact thaat I cant play it yet?
-or-
What?

sw33tp34

Pixelantes Anonymous

Karttikeya

Brian Ashcraft

thejakeman has died of dysentry

Jabbertrack

No, it's not.

squidhat

PogiJones

Jabbertrack

Worthless

Karttikeya