you're talking about the unfinished lighting and the placeholder textures in a placeholder level. In other words, things you will not see in the final game.

Bungie will make it VERY clear when they are showing footage from the actual game (like the announcement trailer, which looked pretty slick to me, though it still had tons of unfinished elements)

SquirrelPhister

Keyser Soze

Although 2's story was fleh.

noneother

Covert-X

Now that really does not look impressive, I would go as far as saying that it looks like F.E.A.R. actually. Forget the untextured parts, there are parts with full lighting and textures that you can judge for yourselves.

I'm thinking that both Halo 3 and Killzone PS3 are going to disappoint.

Keyser Soze

CrimemasterGogo

"GAAAAAAAMMMEEE OOOOVVAAAAAA!"

RocketChump

To illustrate this, I saw an elderly couple in Currys digital on oxford street (London). They were buying a flat screen TV and the sales guy was doing the usual "sell em the most expensive one there" thing. The woman (who had to be 60 at least) looks at the set being talked up and said "So this does 1080p and can work with a 360 or PS3 then". The sales guy went silent and then kind of umed and ered then looked at the sticker on the side (which didn't help as it just said HD ready).

My point is that Joe public could care less about this announcement stuff and knows he will not use home etc. etc. This is solely to placate the fanboys and try to pull back a little of the publicity nightmare Sony have found itself in. The old saying all publicity is good publicity stopped being true years ago. Bad press will get you noticed but, only so people can avoid you like the plague. Sony's PR machine is finally realising this and making moves to change their image. The problem is that they have been used to bullying the online press into seeing their view for so long. When Microsoft came along, they were un prepared for the sudden bout of courage that resulted when people finally thought "Bugger 360 may have a chance after all!". Suddenly cozying up to Sony to stay warm wasn't necessary anymore.

penhalion

Since "Call of Half-life" was rather sub par asides from the nice level design.

I still dont get why there are so many rabid fans of that game.

Witzbold

Taz

It is way too early to declare a winner for the next gen. Unless you can tell the future, you're just not going to know. The Wii could surface with a 360ish defect in the system that creeps up in the up coming months that renders it a paper weight, either way; it is too early to make any calls on who has "won". Give it a year and more accurate prediction can be made, but until all consoles have a year under their belts it is way too "iffy".

javajoe96

It's a very bad sign.

darkened-flame

Okay, I see what what you're saying now. Good for you not being duped over the original hype of that pre-rendered Killzone2 footage. All in all, I hate pre-rendered material that's passed off as gameplay for any game or system. It's almost an insult to gamers to try and make them believe thats what the game is going to be like.

usedtabe

The reference to KZ's first showing being a promo vid is my take. Sony supporters were bragging that the KZ and UT demos were realtime gameplay running on preproduction PS3 hardware. What I'm saying is, people who believed that were smoking hope. I've talked to some of these people; you wouldn't believe the lengths they'll go to in order to distort reality.

@moonfirelol: Read a book called Game Over and you'll have a few of the reasons why I hate Nintendo. The entire N64 era pretty much sums up the rest of it.

Digital_Sky

Ixero

The Wii is targeting casual gamer's and the totally uninitiated. The other two console war players have got to love that the Wii is creating new gamer's, expanding the market.

Now if nintendo's next console is a graphical powerhouse that may change.

gwolf

"Moving back onto topic, anyone who expected KZ to look like the promo videos was fooling themselves to begin with. We live in the age of "target renders." It's vaporware till it's running in my game system, thanks very much"

I guess we live in different worlds, or I have the luxury of knowing that very few(if any) 360 games have "target renders" that are passed off as actual gameplay. And how is someone fooling themselves when it was Sony who said that it was "Actual gameplay"? Please explain to me how and when it dropped from "actual gameplay" to a mere "promo video"?

usedtabe

And why is that? If it weren't for Nintendo over 20 years ago, you wouldn't be playing video games, and these developers bashing the Wii for being "underpowered" wouldn't have a job.

moonfirelol

This is the reason J6P (Joe 6 Pack) held off on buying a 360 because Killzone 2 looked so much better and no one could destroy his dream. J6P is gonna be really disappointed when he fires up the real KZ2 when it comes out, but Sony accomplished what they set out to do by releasing all those CG videos. The did the same crap when the Dreamcast came out too.

Polyh3dron

Believe me when I tell you, I despise Nintendo, and they're the last console-maker I want to see win this generation. But that's what's going to happen, whether I like it or not.

Moving back onto topic, anyone who expected KZ to look like the promo videos was fooling themselves to begin with. We live in the age of "target renders." It's vaporware till it's running in my game system, thanks very much.

Digital_Sky

MC2009

Ohh whoopty doo, ps3 home. It's a free mmo. whoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I'm so impressed.

ManjiKengo

Digital_Sky

Thomaticus

E3 never left. It just changed.

KaneRobot

VakeroRokero

Duoae

Unless Sony has something at least equal to Gears of War, all anyone will write about KillZone2 is HOW it's not as good as GOW.

Tyrannical

javajoe96

Sloopydrew

Oh well, guess the unwashed masses need something to keep them appeased...

Sturm Truppen

Toothdecaykills

noneother

I very much agree - they're mostly just using 'next gen power' lately for more textures and polygons, not to make much more interesting games. I'd be happy with SNES quality graphics but crazy next gen power overlaid on that. Sonic in 2d with one rediculously massive level and 32 players? yes please! That would be more of the same but it'd atleast bump the gameplay up a notch. the screensht for killzone in this post is interchangeable with so many other games (gears, warmonger, etcetera etcetera)

Rajio

y2julio

Shoot this big monster. Shoot that big monster. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Snore.

cabooglio

ez054098

Well remember man, they weren't actually showing off the game itself - just the (incomplete) engine and a few environments. I wouldn't expect information of that sort to come out any time soon.

I don't think anybody really expected this game to look like the target render, but I am disappointed with the reactions here. Hopefully it shapes up before it launches. 5-6 months with a development team of this magnatude COULD mean a lot of polishing/improvements if their management has everybody working in crack teams a la Bioware. Have you guys read the developer diary for Mass Effect? They really know how to do great, concentrated work with a huge team.

I'll probably pick up a PS3 this fall, and I'm hoping this game will be a "wow" worthy title by then.

Blinded220

The attractive part here is PS3 Home, but remember that this is GDC--DEVELOPERS.

The Playstation Edge thing means that the software initiative is now getting the Sony funding. The beginning of software libraries and fleshed out API.

Also, more RSX support. RSX is Nvidia's/Sony's graphic chip. Due to the court dispute Nvidia's had with MS, Nvidia has a stake in the success of the PS3. It's a showdown here.

Microsoft, ATI/AMD vs Intel, Nvidia, Apple, Google, Sony

Yeah, would you fanboys just step back and look at the big picture?

rdun

maybe sony should focus their attention on something other that fps. not everyone in the world is an online fps fanatic plus, they can't compete with the massive halo fanbase that xbox has. it's like comparing apples to oranges.

why don't they make a really cool side scroller like a contraesque style game.

that's where the money is!!

B1663R

Seems like important details, in my opinion.

Scuba Steve

Good point. Where is the GOOD full length PS3 game news that will make me fire up the PS3 in anticipation?

DigitalHero

moonfirelol

Maybe this is just a step in the right direction for Sony...honesty. But I still don't understand why you'd show it.

Islandkiwi

mrpoopiepants

NighTrekr

kylenalepa

Seems like Home will be the only bit of news people can hang on. Actual full length game news for the PS3 still comes up short...

Roroco

mrtin

Tetelestia

DigitalHero

navsimpson

coolyfooly88

Marasai

DefiantGSR

Risky+Safety

SirHamsterz

Ape.of.Gods