Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return? - Kotaku Comments

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

InsaneBastard — Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:10:33 MST

But...it CAN'T be done right? :-P

InsaneBastard

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Ecks — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:29:05 MST

What this fails to mention:

"As part of the truce, Sony will pay San Jose-based Immersion $97.2 million in damages and interest, as stipulated in the original court award that Sony was appealing. Sony will also pay $22.5 million in licensing payments through 2009 plus an unspecified amount of fees and royalties.

In total, Sony will cough up at least $150.3 million to settle the litigation, when factoring in $30.6 million in compulsory license payments the Japanese company has already paid."

http://wham.canoe.ca/ps3/2007/03/02/3686393-ap.html

Ecks

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Ninja20XX — Sat, 03 Mar 2007 03:37:29 MST

Sucks for the early adopters, but at least Sony is trying to incorporate consumer feedback into their decisions, so that's a plus. And that's the only reason they settled with Immersion - that lawsuit could've easily been tied up for years with appeals, Sony did this only because of the massive amount of complaints.

That said, if they do decide to go with a redesigned, rumble-enabled Sixaxis as a standard they should at least offer a discount on a new controller to the folks who were the first ones in the pool, e-mail a coupon to those who registered their hardware.

Didn't Microsoft buy a chunk of Immersion when they settled the original lawsuit?

Ninja20XX

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nxp3 — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:08:58 MST

I think it was pretty low that Immersion waited forever to sue Sony and Microsoft on the vibration function so they can ride on the success of the controllers. With so many game controllers out there already, companies would have to pay large sums of monies if they are sued.

Sony, then says well we don't need your vibration function because we got sixaxis and it's better. Immersion then piss in their pants because they're going to NOT make a lot of money on the ps3. I bet they're begging Sony to use them back.

So the sixaxis without vibration has to take place, before there is a sixaxis with vibration. Sony would not have Immersion bullying them around and extorting money from them. I can't blame Sony for standing up for themselvse on this even though I prefer the force feedback on some game.

So, Sony settlement with Immersion is taking place because Immersion probably back down when they realize they weren't going to benefit from Sony.

nxp3

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L_K_M — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:32:38 MST

No, this won't mean rumble for PS3. This only means that Sony can now legally sell the PS2 with rumble, until 2009 or so. I think.

L_K_M

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cybereality — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:14:08 MST

Good news?... Sony?... In the same article? This must be some sort of unconfirmed rumor. How much you wanna bet Sony makes a press release tomorrow denying this settlement with Immersion?

cybereality

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PlaidNinja — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:14:41 MST

I would be pretty happy if this were true. Now drop the price by $200-$300 and I'll be inclined to pick one up.

PlaidNinja

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Adam In Texas — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:54:22 MST

@Sailorcancer:

How much less could you care?
...it's "couldn't care less"

Adam In Texas

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Geekwad — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:09:15 MST

Rumble is not force feedback, another tech that Immersion killed off with patent litigation. If Sony and Immersion made nice, maybe we can hope to see dual force feedback sticks? I'd much rather have true force feedback than "sixaxis". I especially find it is a boon to racing games. Being able to feel the forces acting on your car means that you can maximize the power you're putting on the road; you can feel the instant one of your tires begins to slip. Might require little buckles on the sticks similar to decent bicycle peddles, which would also be pretty cool because they'd enable you to pull on the stick as well as push it; R4 and L4! And if FF works on the new vertical axis... Whoo boy, I'm in!

Geekwad

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Zombie G. Zomborgo — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:31:21 MST

Whatevs. Next Gen is totally Last Gen.

Bring back Pong! That shit is Next

Zombie G. Zomborgo

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Death_Warrior — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:58:42 MST

@ Marasai

There hasn't even been an announcement regarding rumble back on the SIXAXIS, it could be that they will add force feedback to driving wheels for all we know.

Let's say that they do incluce rumble on the SIXAXIS again in the future, how would this render the older SIXAXIS controllers useless? Sure they won't have rumble, but they will offer the same functionality, not to mention the fact that the battery life will be longer than controllers with the rumble.

Sure, customers who want rumble will buy new controllers, but they are not obligated to, nobody is being forced to buy anything they don't want.

Microsoft did this as well, when they released a new and improved "S" version of their controller, after they already had several million customers purchase their console and more controllers.

Companies do this, it's called business. People should be glad Sony backed down from their arrogant stance and decided to listen to their customers, sooner rather than later.

The good thing is that now they will be able to use the newer force feedback technology immersion developed late last year. Which is good for the customer.

Death_Warrior

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Marasai — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:38:14 MST

@Blinded220:

The funny thing about making stupid decisions is that they often come back to haunt you. It isn't my fault they dropped rumble. it isn't my fault that they refused to listen to consumer demands. It isn't my fault they decided to shaft the early adopters by rendering their 60 dollar controllers obsolete.

It's a giant fuck you to everyone who bought a ps3 since they are now forced to spend EVEN MORE money to get yet another feature that sony should have included form the start.

What, I should congratulate them? They let a milllion people or so purchase crippled controllers and no doubt expect them to pay the difference just like they did with the ps1. What is laudable about that? Settling with immersion is great., but they should have done it before people bought controllers thinking that they would last the life of the system, rather than 4 months.

So soryy, but in my book, Sony doens't get a medal for doing what they should have done months ago, and forcing the consumer to take it up the ass.

Marasai

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TakeoNinja — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:28:37 MST

Ahh, Sony takes it in the ass once again, I wonder when they will start to defend themsleves from their rapeists?

On another account, Sony and Bush are pretty similar, they both lie like mad men most of their time awake... I have absolutely no respect for neither of them anymore.

TakeoNinja

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humilitybecomeshim — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:08:43 MST

You do not deserve to get controllers with rumble! They are too expensive for you.

Also, we're removing motion sensing from the European release of the PS3 and replacing it with spiders. They have eight legs, so it'll be the OCTATCO controller!

Finally, both Nintendo and Microsoft are stupid and we are awesome. Thank you.

humilitybecomeshim

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Neoistheone2000 — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:14:59 MST

@Zamnation: probably would be called the duel shock 3 with SIXAXIS

Neoistheone2000

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RedRedSuit — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:47:26 MST

@UnnDunn: I realize that. I just don't think, at the end of the day, it matters what they say. Just get it done. Add in rumble. Bring on the games. Less talking, more walking.

RedRedSuit

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richhigg — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:44:07 MST

Well, i heard there's a rumble in the jungle

richhigg

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UnnDunn — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:10:53 MST

@RedRedSuit: The problem is Phil Harrison has been running his mouth telling us Rumble is so last-gen. If Sony had said "well rumble is a feature we're constantly evaluating with PS3, and if we feel it's appropriate, we'll put it in" then this reaction would never have happened.

Sony is always brimming with hubris, and so far have failed to justify it.

UnnDunn

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VakeroRokero — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:09:57 MST

PS3 WIIMOTE, HERE IT COMES!

VakeroRokero

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fli_guy84 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:34:57 MST

Yay! Rumble and motion sensor roxor my asxor!

fli_guy84

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Acute Gamer — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:25:14 MST

It's about time!!! (fucking Sony pride)

Acute Gamer

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MO3iusONE — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:04:53 MST

Bout fucking time.

MO3iusONE

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kunio — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:00:10 MST

Awww Hell Yeah! Bring on the rumble.

What concerns me is, how are we ever going to get rumble in the the games that have been released or currently in development for the PS3? Does that mean rumble in only future games? They'll probably cover it with updates.

kunio

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CSUSam — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:50:26 MST

Who else sees Phil Harrison or Kaz Hirai in several months saying "We never said we didn't NEED or WANT rumble, we said that it was just a service we didn't want to charge for at first!"

CSUSam

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Nickatiah — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:23:38 MST

This is the "big" news for GDC I was expecting. Not the PS Home crap.

Nickatiah

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Thrillhaus — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:06:14 MST

Rumble is the future! Sony is once again leading the field with their innovation! Ball is in your court, microsoft and nintendo... lets see you top that. :P

Thrillhaus

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Roroco — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:04:10 MST

Please tell me where on earth does it say the SIXAXIS will get rumble from this article? People - Sony and Immersion settled up for past due money. They did not say that since all is good that they can now put rumble back in.

Yes they said they look forward to working with the company now, but that means almost nothing. Hell, it could mean something as minute as force feedback back in a Sony brand steering wheel - which if they didn't have FF it would have been crap.

Still... it is quite funny watching you guys jump to conclusions.

Roroco

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hatramroany — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:36:25 MST

Oh God, here comes the built-in speaker...

hatramroany

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RedRedSuit — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:27:01 MST

@Benzido:

"The reason Sony can't win with this is not because we are determined to hate them no matter what."

Ah, but I disagree with that assessment. PR will always be PR -- lies, misleading lies, harmless lies, exaggerations. It's annoying, but when all is said and done, it's not important. What's important is how good the product is. In the end, this (if it pans out) is a positive for Sony, and a big one at that. This may make Sony looks like jackasses for a few months/weeks/days, but in the end it will net higher reviews for games and higher sales for Sony. I am as critical of Sony for their missteps, both technical and PR, but the proof is in the pudding, and this news (if it pans out) is good in those terms. Period.

RedRedSuit

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ManekiNeko — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:20:51 MST

@Ottergame: Holy crap, that's a frighteningly accurate impersonation of an actual Sony product rep. I had to read the article to make sure it wasn't printed there first.

ManekiNeko

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GameBreaker — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:20:45 MST

TO: SONY

As we all know, there is a very high probability that you will be reading this as you have already Blackballed, and then changed your mind about Kotaku and shown them love once more for their great work. While your attention is here I just wanted to say, this was a great decision. You wanted to revolutionize with the SIXAXIS but the fact remains that rumble, even though it is an overlooked feature, is important to the gaming masses. Also, quit lying to us. It only makes you look more foolish, we love you but you are sinking your own ship. Thank you for your time.

VIVA CRECENTE!

GameBreaker

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Doomstalk — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:12:27 MST

@Nick_San: Same way they got Dual Shock into homes. Sell it as an add-on.

Doomstalk

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mr.georgemark — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:09:00 MST

I have a question... When they designed SIXAXIS they made no provisions for rumble features , so even if they do want to reinstall them can they do it without changing the shape of the controller i.e. can they fit it in the same mould with the rest of the circuitry?

Oh and btw I own a PS2 and I've always played games with rumble disabled.
It's not a big deal for me (apparently I am the only one).

mr.georgemark

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miniboss1232 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:00:44 MST

See guys, rumble currently is last gen. But when Sony adds it to the PS3, it will then become next-gen, simply by being associated with the PS3.

Or something.

By the way, Kotaku, this news post took a seriously long time to get up here. Sucks you lost that close relationship with Sony. ;)

miniboss1232

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Blinded220 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:57:51 MST

@Marasai:

If they had gone on with no rumble, people call them stubborn. They might adopt it now, and it's giving everybody the shaft. Some of you people just hate for a living, don't you?

Blinded220

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Marasai — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:50:27 MST

Way to shaft the people who actually bought a ps3. Now they have to rebuy all the controllers they already bought?

Marasai

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apoc06 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:47:12 MST

@SideFFect:

actually, in this case sony was the underdog remember? immersion truly did not have grounds for the rumble suit, but they won anyways. microsoft gave in and paid up. IIRC nintendo was immune to the suit due to the fact that their rumble feature is implemented differently.

sony stood their ground and fought back. unfortunately it led to rumble-free controllers.

apoc06

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Blinded220 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:46:51 MST

Wow... if this means FFB in wheels after all, (for GT5 especially) I am sold on the PS3.

Blinded220

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kingofallcosmos — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:43:04 MST

I don't see anything wrong with them showing that they listen to consumer demand. Originally the 360 was only going to have a handful of backwards compatible titles until consumer demand showed that they wanted more than that, and now there are about 300. I know that it is popular to complain about everything, but when something is going to make the experience better, I will support it.

kingofallcosmos

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ZWarren69 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:40:05 MST

Are things really starting to turn well for the game industry?? GTA4 postings.... Sony rumble.... now a price drop would seal the deal!

ZWarren69

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Benzido — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:31:17 MST

@RedRedSuit@RedRedSuit:

The reason Sony can't win with this is not because we are determined to hate them no matter what.

It's because they claimed that the reason they didn't have rumble was because it was impossible to have motion sensing and rumble. We knew right away that this was false, and that it was about their Immersion lawsuit, because wii has rumble and motion sensing. But Sony PR, AS ALWAYS, goes for a lie.

The fact that they are now reversing their choice doesn't mean we should congratulate them. It just highlights the fact that their previous claim was a lie.

Here is a lesson for Sony: Good PR is not about telling lies. When you tell lies that are easily disproved, this is actually very bad PR. If you can't get the technology you want for your controller because of an ongoing lawsuit, a better PR angle would be:
"Our competitors decided to pay a large amount of money to Immersion to put rumble in their controllers, but we decided to save that money and pass the saving on to the customer"
or
"If we can make an agreement with the technology owner, we may see rumble reintroduced down the track"

Benzido

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crackp1pe — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:26:57 MST

"Furthermore, the business agreement between the two parties also provides SCE with "certain new rights with respect to Immersion's patent portfolio."

Translation: Sony has to pay the 91m they owed, from the PS2 suit, but gets to use Immersion's tech for a very nice deal from now on. That's all Sony wanted from the beginning, and it looks like Immersion finally believed they would drop their tech entirely from PS3 to prove their point. Sony strongarmed them and got the better of this, that's what it looks like to me.

Let's all be happy that rumble will be back, and relax a bit with the 'but now no games can count on rumble being in the controller!' stuff. Rumble provides nice feedback and in *very* few cases (MGS for example) was integral to the game experience-- but let's not equate this to not shipping a HD with every system...

Easy to add to new games and old with a patch, and it's entirely possible for people to play games that have rumble features without a rumble-capable controller. Hell, there will probably be a mod kit at some point-- if I remember correctly from a SIXAXIS dissection page there is just empty space where the solenoids used to be.

Bring on the SIXSHOCKSIS !!!

crackp1pe

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lefty420 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:22:44 MST

@chinesedentist:

many sites have done this and there is no rumble hardware in the controler. thats why its so light.

lefty420

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RedRedSuit — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:15:43 MST

I own a PS3, and, if this pans out, *of course* I'm happy. I get rumble back. Excellent. Okay, so I'd have to spend $50+ to get it back, but that's what I get for being an early adopter (sucker).

RedRedSuit

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aden.exe — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:11:17 MST

But really, you can't just add this to the controllers now and expect everyone to be happy. The only ones who might be happy are those considering buying a ps3. Everyone whos bought one (who will apparently be very happy at GDC) will instead be extremely pissed off if they're not offered free replacements.

aden.exe

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chimp_o_death — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:10:40 MST

No matter what side of the fence you're on, it seems ill planned to settle with Imersion now, instead of before the PS3 shipped. Will developers go through the expense of making games like Motorstorm and Resistance rumble with a patch? Will early adopters dig having to buy new controlers? And why, why, WHY did Sony make so many claims about rumble being laast-gen and worthless to the PS3 experience? Couldn't they just have said they were exploring such options for the future?

chimp_o_death

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chinesedentist — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:10:08 MST

Has anyone actually dissected a sixaxis?

What are the chances it actually already has a rumble feature built in, just one that has been unused thus far?

Unlikely, right?

chinesedentist

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aden.exe — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:08:07 MST

Wells thats jolly nice of them. You bought a $600 console (well over double an acceptable price), want it to rumble? that'll be another $100 or so.

aden.exe

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GamerBunny — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:00:19 MST

A controller without rumble is like a human without a soul.
Other rumble accessories would be awesome. Like rumble pants.

GamerBunny

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SideFFect — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:59:52 MST

I swear, Sony are such babies.
They get into a lawsuit w/ Immersion and therefore "decide" to not include rumble feature in sixaxxis and load a bunch of crap on us about how it's not needed and how games are better without it and bla bla bla.

Now, the big bully made up with the class favorite and are proud to announce that they look forward to having rumble again?

Pathetic, even for Sony.

SideFFect

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LostToys — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:57:50 MST

I'm all for some rumble loving. I am having some massive 2001 flashbacks now (PSX ships without rumble; Dual Shock released 1 year later).

LostToys

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psychobadger — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:56:54 MST

Good thing you can have patches with nextgen games. They can add rumble to the old PS3 games, it depends on the developers.

psychobadger

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DBX00 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:51:59 MST

Maybe rumble won't come in the form of a controller...I see a rumble vest in my future...

DBX00

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RedRedSuit — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:51:09 MST

Man, you guys are caustic bastards. Let's assume for the moment rumble is coming back.

This means that Sony was wrong, they got some feedback about it, and decided to listen to that feedback. Yes, that means they were wrong before and didn't want to admit it (why would they?). But now they've changed their minds. This is a GOOD thing -- not a BAD thing. It means that they can implicitly admit they're wrong and do something about it. If our President could do the same, we might not be in that mess in the Middle East right now....

RedRedSuit

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Ottergame — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:48:45 MST

"Due to popular consumer demand, we have decided that it was time to reintroduce rumble features into our controllers. We don't feel like this contradicts our previous position, in fact, we think that by including the much-loved rumble feature back into our products, our SIXAXIS controller will truly be the best and most innovative next-gen player input device, with unparalleled player control and immersion.

At this time, we have not set a price point for our new Immersion SIXAXIS controllers, but they will be priced competitively and will be available soon."

Ottergame

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Josh* — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:46:52 MST

Yeah the PAL PS3s are here in three weeks, probably on a ship somewhere in the Indian Ocean as we sepak. Hope it sinks, really.

Josh*

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SWATdoctor — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:46:25 MST

***Braces for another flip flop***

SWATdoctor

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OGHowie — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:44:54 MST

Time to go return that 2nd controller I never opened.

OGHowie

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trina — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 MST

That's awesome. Too bad I have two of the non-rumbling kind. But still, could be good news.

trina

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MrPerson — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:19 MST

As for the analogue controllers on the PS1, as far as I remember, they were never obligatory. Well, with one exception: That monkey-catching game which was specifically made for the analogue sticks. All other games could be controlled either with the sticks or with the regular pad.

MrPerson

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Nick_San — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:41:25 MST

@Stormflood: The PAL boxes that are most probably laying in warehouses at this very moment, waiting to be sent out to retailers?

Nick_San

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user_21938 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:41:19 MST

Sony's like an impulsive, angry lover;

"I don't need you, you're yesterday, baby, history! I'm the future..."

The next day:

"I'm sorry, baby. I said some things I didn't mean. Can we pretend this never happened, move on with our relationship? I love you... But I'm still the future."

user_21938

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MonkeyBiz — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:40:51 MST

About time Sony, about time. I held little hope for the PS3 until now. I never knew how much I missed rumble until I went from wavebird---> normal GC controller when the AA's died. I am sure there will be PS3 owners with the same feeling.

MonkeyBiz

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Stormflood — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:38:29 MST

Please be in the PAL box. Please be in the PAL box...

/prays

Stormflood

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slapBOXmaster — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:37:23 MST

If they do create a sixaxis 2 controller they had better be willing to take my old ones seeing as they would be pretty useless compared to ones with rumble.

slapBOXmaster

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Silent_Shark — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:37:03 MST

Business as usual still for Kotaku!

Now, the most important debate (probably ever) is what the new controller might be called...

"SHOKXIS"
"Six Shock"
"Hex Shock"
"RUM6LE"
"LAST-GEN-SHOCK-SIXAXIS"
or, more likely:
"SIXAXIS SHOCK with technology by Immersion® 2007 All rights reserved."

Silent_Shark

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Bard to the Bone — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:37:02 MST

fuckin' a!

Bard to the Bone

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Overlord11001001 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:36:36 MST

SixAxis with rumble in 3...2...1...

Overlord11001001

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icepick314 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:36:24 MST

so is this the reason why PLAYSTATION 3 owners will be happy next week according to Phil "Force Feedback is Last Gen" Harrison?

even with rumble returning to SIXAXIS, people will STILL lash at Sony because of their lack of customer support and too much arrogance...

icepick314

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P53protein — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:35:54 MST

Too little too late.

P53protein

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darkslide — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:35:34 MST

i can't imagine them bringing rumble back.. its simply too late.
You can't make a game that requires the use of a specific peripheral, that wasn't included with the system...
This is why you saw so few games use the original analog ps1 controller, like Ape Escape. Developers had to assume the analog-less digital pad.

I imagine the reason Sony included a Hard Drive in every ps3, is because they didn't want to make the same mistake as the ps2's hard drive. (Obviously microsoft didn't agree, but this is partly why there are limits to XBLA game sizes).
Now, bringing out a controller that not everyone can be assumed to have is just bad...
Sure, some games its a bonus, such as a football game or something...
But what about a baseball game? Where you are 'feeling' the strike zone as a pitcher... Can't even make a game that is designed for it because you may cut out so many people...

I would have loved this from launch day... see what happens when you're stubborn?

darkslide

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MrPerson — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:35:14 MST

Sony, pre-Immersion settling: "Rumble sucks and we don't need it and neither than you and it's not next-gen and it would mess up our controllers and there's no way back!"

Sony, post-Immersion settling: "Rumble is wonderful and we look forward to using it and we think it's innovative and who needs a Wii now certainly not you!"

MrPerson

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Sailorcancer — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:35:09 MST

I could REALLY care less if SIXAXIS has rumble. I always turn rumble off on my stuff.

Sailorcancer

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PresDNA — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:34:46 MST

@y2julio: classy

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Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

DigitalHero — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:34:14 MST

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Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

tomcatadam — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:34:12 MST

If they wanted to integrate it as a main feature into games, they can't force consumers to shell out for controllers, they should just replace them for gratis.

The PS3 isn't very far in its life, and there are very few games out that ever _required_ rumble.

If they bring it back, they'll just place it in the new controllers. People will get a new controller eventually.

tomcatadam

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Brill — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:33:21 MST

More Sony rumors!?

While adding rumble to the PS3 would make it more attractive in MY eyes, I really doubt it'll happen. I mean, what are they going to do with the people who've already bought PS3s? Oh wait, I guess it'll be the same thing that happened when PSX owners were introduced to the first DualShock. Which is... actually, what did happen?
Can anyone remind me what the transistion from the first Playstation controller to the DualShock was like? I remember that the only reason I ended up with a DualShock was because my PSX was stolen and I had to buy another one. At what point did games start using the analog sticks as a standard?

Brill

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

sakipooh — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:32:49 MST

OMG!! The day has finally come... I just hope sony can change their tune fast enough to include rumble in Killzone.

The only bummer is that I know I'll have to go out and buy two more controllers if and when they release the dual shock 3(or whatever they decide to call it.

And I bet they wont be cheap either. It's already $59 Canadian for one sixaxis with no rumble..imagine with rumble. :-P

sakipooh

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

TitillatedOcelot — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:31:24 MST

Hell i don't care what they said last month, bring back my rumble!

TitillatedOcelot

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

King Louse — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:31:21 MST

@thepixelpuncher: rumble. miyamoto might as well quit now.

King Louse

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Nick_San — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:31:00 MST

How would they go about getting controllers with rumble into gamer;s homes? Some sort of mass recall? "Send us your Sixaxis, and we'll send you a 'new and improved' Sixaxis with added rumble".

If they wanted to integrate it as a main feature into games, they can't force consumers to shell out for controllers, they should just replace them for gratis.

Nick_San

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

mouroutaru — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:30:56 MST

If this is true, I would consider buying a PS3. After a substantial price drop of course.

mouroutaru

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Bah-Zing — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:30:00 MST

I for one really miss the rumble. I finish hours of gaming and feel like something was missing.

Bah-Zing

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Zamnation — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:29:34 MST

WOAH! I can't wait for the Dual SIXAXIS Shock 3!

Zamnation

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

thepixelpuncher — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:29:00 MST

This is the exciting news that will be revealed at Phil Harrison's Keynote at GDC. Shigeru Miyamoto is going to have a hard time trying to follow an act like that.

thepixelpuncher

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

instantpop — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:28:47 MST

Personally, I haven't missed rumble, but I look forward to its return. Sucks that I will have to buy more controllers to use it.

instantpop

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

esrid — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:28:26 MST

So, this is the first I've heard of it.

Conclusion: Kotaku's reporting on Sony doesn't suffer from black-ball.

Sony does suffer.

esrid

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

miketuck3r — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:27:32 MST

'Rumble is so last gen' was the comment last week, next week it will be 'rumble makes the ps3 5d'

miketuck3r

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

jboze84 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:26:26 MST

Great, i just picked up a second controller. Now in a couple months I'll have to spend another $100-120 on controllers with a rumble feature?! Sweet!

jboze84

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Devil — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:25:25 MST

@Josh*: Thats Right I'm with Josh* it is so last Gen. I would rather have a controller that reminds me of the good old Gen 1 Playstation Era than something more sophisticated like Rumble or Force Feedback.

Its like saying Dolby Digital THX is so last Gen, we have this technology called Stereo.

Devil

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Torusan — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:23:45 MST

Lets pay more!

Torusan

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

y2julio — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:23:29 MST

Resistance was futile :p

y2julio

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

flyinpckls — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:53 MST

Yeah rumble is lastgen. And lastgen is over when Sony says it is. Not that they would tell you about it!

BTW does anyone have the SCEA address so I can send them a spoonful of peanut butter

flyinpckls

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MrPerson — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:40 MST

Sony, pre-Immersion settling: "Rumble is not nextgen and sucks and messes with our awesome hightech controllers and we don't need it and neither do you!"

Sony, post-Immersion settling: "What are you talking about rumble is excellent and cool and innovative and now we're putting it in our technology how innovative is that now we have rumble and motion sensing who needs the Wii!"

MrPerson

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Barbara — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:39 MST

@Karttikeya:

lol

Barbara

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

t0yrobo — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:33 MST

So if rumble does make a comeback, how are they going to spin that as a good thing? Just when I thought the blacklist thing was the only way Sony could dig themselves deeper this comes up. I can just imagine them trying to convince the world to forget all their rhetoric of how rumble is last gen and isn't important anymore.

t0yrobo

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

B33 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:22:09 MST

"but rumble is just so last gen!"
And the price of the PS3 isn't supposed to drop for two years... I doubt either are true.

B33

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Tyrannical — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:20:53 MST

Oh great, now GamesDaily is going to get black balled.

Tyrannical

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

laterthanyou — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:20:31 MST

@jay

haha

I doubt it

laterthanyou

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Josh* — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:19:58 MST

but rumble is just so last gen!

Josh*

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Scot — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:19:13 MST

Bit late isn't it? =o

Scot

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

B33 — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:19:11 MST

Now drop the price of the PS3 and drop the arrogance, and Sony will start to win back gamers again.

B33

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Jay — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:18:57 MST

Any chance we can get a direct comment from Sony on this?

Hehe, just kiddin'.

Jay

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

Karttikeya — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:17:20 MST

"And life continues..."

Karttikeya

Sony Settles With Immersion, Will Rumble Return?

ortholomeux — Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:17:15 MST

i stand (kind of) corrected...

ortholomeux