ca$h

jacksinn

Spoony Bard

Man up Crescente.

PownerOfNewbs

Did he misunderestimate when writing this?

I also like how he uses 'folks'. As in "I caught a lot of flack for it from folks". It's not as impersonal as 'some people' but still ambiguous enough so he doesn't have to say who the arseholes who opposed the move are.

floppylobster

sir_blazeAlot

PwnPirate

They play the blackball game. You play the bigballs game. Glad to see someone with integrity.

I can't say this has anything to do with whether or not the PS3 itself is of quality, but I can certainly say that I wouldn't buy one if this is the only way they can calm a rumor. Sony's PR department needs a lot of work. Hopefully GDC was a step in the right direction, but they've already done so much damage that it's hard to tell.

Snoman

The only people that would have lost in this situation was Sony. All this did was add to the credibility of Kotaku - and since the leak was unofficial anyway, I highly doubt there would have been problems securing information on Sony products in the future.

Looks like Sony wised up, though.

The Commissar

420pwnd

InsaneBastard

Covert-X

It doesn't take genius to understand that information like that is highly confidental, there for not to be leaked to the public. I'm pretty sure you've been on the scene long enough to understand that. Just make sure you don't screw over Microsoft like that ;-) or your ass will surely be grass.

preyhater

A newspaper runs a story about a city's mayor after the mayor asks the paper not to. The chief of staff sends the newspaper a letter saying they will no longer allow the paper's reporters to attend press conferences and will not return the paper's calls.
The newspaper prints the letter.
Anything wrong with that?

Brian Crecente

How is that reasonable at all? Have you lost your mind? News is news, not PR. Whether it's good or bad it needs to be reported, and by going ahead with the story it is a monumental moment for gaming journalism. It shows that it is just as important as any other kind, and the news will come out, regardless of opinion.

LORDofDANCE

In other words, "Write or don't write what we say, or else."

Score one for Kotaku. -20 for Sony (which now stands at -377 on the Karma scale)

Raring

Bomb-Omb

Donner, party of 4... er...3?

Ah, distortions are great. Lies must make the man, after all. I probably could do the same thing. Let me try...

Kotaku: Dear sir, I wanted to check with you about said rumor. We are planning to post this rumor as a rumor, but we wanted to get your side of the story, with all due respect. We went to to try and pin down the veracity of the rumor before publishing and before going live with the rumor, we wanted to talk to you, to make sure we put it in the correct context.

Sony: Uh yeah, about that. I don't want you to post it.

Kotaku: Huh? Umm, sir, we were going to post this rumor on behalf of our readers, and would like information from your side.

Sony: Okay buster, you listen here. You go and post that and it'll seriously ruined our professional relationship. So you better not post it.

Kotaku: Sir, as an independent news blog, we must go forward with this story. As part of the gaming news industry, we know that sometimes, new don't always come from official sources.

Sony: How dare you question me! I put the clothes on your back and I can take it away. I own you, independent my ass. You do what you say and you'll be sure that we're very likely going to ban you from the whole industry within our grasp. And you know that little expensive toy I gave you for Christmas? I'm taking it back. *slap*

Kotaku: *sob* Oh cruel, unfair world. You know obeying our great, powerful sponsor will make us turn our backs on everything we believe in! To give us no choice... *braces himself* For the sake of journalism, I give my life! *stabs self*

Sony: Fool, you shall now incur my wrath. Die!

Kotaku Fanboys: Noooo, my friend! My dear friend... *sob*

Anyway, I'm glad the situation improved. Hopefully things well go back to the way they were.

Tear

I agree with you G99 and couldn't have said it better myself. Brian and Kotaku staff, I support and respect your decision 100%.
I've been a long time lurker but this was the one post that broke the proverbial camels' back and forced me to post. Keep up the great work Brian!!!

Donair360

JohnD212

punkasscrab

photog

WMeredith

snowferret

Quit it, Internet.

I'm serious. I'll turn these tubes around right now.

Zombie G. Zomborgo

Gasface

You're right, in this case, it's "affect", not "effect", but "effect" is actually both a noun and a verb. As a noun, it means "result". As a verb, though, it means "cause, bring about". So:

The politician effected lasting change.
The change affected how things were done.

bugbread

I won't pretend I have read all of the comments, isn't it ironic though that when a rumour breaks for Sony for something that might actually be good (exciting even) they go and mess it all up with their heavy handidness.

Good job Kotaku!

maloney

.TakaM

SquirrelPhister

Well, Kotaku, respect to you, and Sony, shame on you.

That said, isn't it a little so that you thought this alone would make a good story and you still have some Sony insiders, so you chose to act rebel and independent after (very carefully) weighing in the outcoumes of two variants, eh?

Barts

I think it's spelt affect, effect is a noun.

Sorry I make that mistake too and am now sensitive to it.

Big_Jock

Erzengel

As you've said before you see this site as more of a gaming culture site than a direct news site.

My point is... Even if they hadn't made up and played nice you would still get the same amount of "private" Sony information as you always have.

This also further imprints in my mind that Sony has totally lost touch with the public. Who is it that has turned up in arms with Sony? It's not kids or moms n' dads; it's us twenty somethings that ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THIS KIND OF STUFF!

What did Sony think was going to happen? That you would be strong armed into obeying them?

k1dsmoke

angry_poster

Ok, jouranlistic credit is due here, in some part. I've been in similar situations, so I know the pressures of putting in print something your source may or may not want. If it's on the record, it's on the record.

But at the same time, isn't that a bit of a shock tactic? To post something that is a "rumor", wether legit or not, that your source provided you, for no other reason than because you think/know it's true--who does that benefit?

Now you've pissed your source off (though like I said, in general that is meaningless as a journalist) about something they were probably going to announce anyways, for what? I mean, if you know it's probably true, why say it's a "rumor"? And if your source is willing to work with you on it, isn't it better to not ruin your professional relationship with them in the long run?

I'm on the fence on this whole thing. Obviousley, Sony's reaction was too much. At the same time, I can't say I exactly agree with posting the info either.

razielpop

GhaleonQ

Excalibur

Do they not realize that you have free speech and press, and can post WHATEVER the hell you want, without them having to threaten to discommunicate all relations, simply because you post rumors? Game blogs are all about rumors. If everything was official, nothing would make it exciting. Good God.

jjmusicman29

Montcarlo

They'll come back around.
I mean, if this story IS true, when they announce it officially, their reason for being miffed will be moot.
At any rate, I'm sure you guys will be buddy-buddy again way before any worthwhile software drops for the PS3.

RedR0B0T

Man kotaku is the best right now. You have to also wonder if this is how they have treated other news blogs and Ummm other *1UPcough burp* sites.

Runna

Ixero

Aurien

jgross

Kotaku gets way too many hits to be this silly and the way things are going you have to wonder if this blog even needs direct access to Sony. If any thing this made Kotaku even more famous!
Rock on Special K rock on! Sony knows they need you now more than ever.. hell they need us all!

LOL you could also look at this as sony really trying to squeeze more sales for their system too...LOL Just one more man! Come on sony every one talks about rumors and for you to threatenn people then it must be true. Infact Sony better hope it's true.

Runna

There is no reason to humor a company like this. While this story may be a rumor, and may be "minor," you take that argument to its logical endpoint and all we have is corporate shills.

Fnor

damn, so i guess that idea i have of continually taking camera phone pictures of the Piles of PS3's i see in stores, compared to the barren Wii shelves at the same time, and sending them to you guys to post is not a good idea at this juncture?

noremac

coolyfooly88

WaterMedia

Any who, that was a classy response Crecente, and it's good to see that you didn't back down. If Sony responded that harshly, it must be true. Well done.

Wernstar

TheNatural

OK, I take your word for it. I must admit though, I was kinda nervous chatting to the guy - he was very calm and collected so it sorta felt like I was only rambling nonsense and not being as direct as I wanted to. But, putting that aside, I am really upset that they would pull off an act like this, its very unprofessional, and just the thought of them threatening Kotaku in that way is both appalling and disrespectful.

In the end, I think you guys did a good job which at least shows that you cared enough about us to make a risk that would cost you (not only you, but all of us). As for Sony - they better rethink their decision because it is not helping them in anyway, besides, it was only a "rumor".

Giovanni

lol

Terroris

I've been reading Kotaku a lot more in recent weeks, and I really am starting to feel like this place is home for gaming news now.

Infil

Now, however, every tech blog is going to pick this up and run with it. "Big mean Sony picks on Kotaku!!!" "Sony is teh Evil!"

scopa

P.S: Is this teh most commented article ever on Kotaku? Wowww. I have to be the 500th commenter on this one.

Aguraki

I still don't think Sony understands exactly what blogs are (and are not). They are not extensions of their corporate mindset where all news is reported on their terms and in their terminology (that's what their own social gamer site is for). They have yet to learn the power that blogs have already exercised in politics as the voice of people motivated by an idea. These ideas will never fall under complete influence the targeted person or organization, but they are certainly part of a dialogue intended to keep the target open and honest.

What a disappointment that Sony, in one of its most extreme low points fails to see this in order to prove a point.

As for me, I have been holding off on the decision to buy a 360 or PS3 next. I'm almost positive I'm going to buy a 360 now. Sony will have to try harder to prove itself to us.

devilmoon

I used to worship Sony growing up, and when they
entered the gaming arena i was even more excited
as an avid gamer. Who would have thought that now
i would be so disgusted with the entire company
and it's frankly poor-quality products/PR that
i will never buy another Sony product again!!
FUCK SONY and their "bigger then GOD" bullshit.As
consumers we need to send a strong message back.

TruGamer

You are exactly right... Whether you agree or disagree with this, Sony's PR department has basically been a huge negative for them throughout the PS3 pre-launch and post-launch. All Sony needed to do was say "No comment" or, hell, even deny the rumor, and Kotaku probably wouldn't have posted, or at the very least, it would've basically had no weight, and would've quickly disappeared to the back of people's minds.

Yes, Sony would've been lying, but at least it would've been a lie that people could understand later on (trying to keep a project under wraps, rather than the ridiculous, easily refutable lies and spins they've been spouting recently). I suppose Sony thought that keeping it completely under wraps was an absolute necessity, and that the negative backlash AND the leaking of the rumor was a risk they were willing to take... They basically raised the stakes too high and lost.

-Leshrac
http://alinktothefuture.com

leshrac55

This is a great blog whenever I read it. You did the right thing. Hell cover just Xbox360 and Wii, tell Sony we don't want their sh*t cause this just makes me I might at a Xbox360 next to my Wii for support to get Sony out of business

floatnsink

Respect for Kotaku/Crecente: +22
Respect for Sony: -36
Respect for Destructoid/Summa: +1000

So that puts Sony, overall, at around... oh, -5937, I'd say. Approximately. Here's hoping they get a clue before that number reaches five digits.

Sharpless

I think the shirt should say with a picture of a black ball.

Blackballed By Sony

(and on the back)

Kotaku

Sooo, anyone wanna boycott? like official and stuffs?

:P

ARVash

mfelps

AxelCloris

RcP

MiLeS

WilliamRLBaker

step 1:
- make rumors about potential project ideas to trigger public response
step2:
- collect feedback from people excited or disgusted about ideas
step3:
- take steps to guarantee things that people are excited about become a reality and lives up to the anticipation

.... NOT

step1:
- man outrages claims about changing the world
step2:
- get pissed off about a rumor concerning something that's going to happen tuesday...
step3:
- get the people they're supposed to be marketing to angry.

... funny stuff sony. This one I can forsee being in the MBA textbooks one day..

... now roll of the dice: am i number 500?

epionx111

Scazza

Toasticus

I love KOTAKU!!!!!

HEY SONY!!! DON'T DISBAND KOTAKU, AS JOURNALISTS IT'S THEIR JOB TO GET THE SCOOP AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID!

If anything blackball fortune, and smartmoney for saying that the PS3 is a bust!

Thomaticus

JrezIN

They really do still seem to think that this is still the day when magazines would have to report exactly what they said, in the tone they said it, or risk being cut off from the source - which in those days would have been a death sentence. To put it simply, times have changed - as have the ways in which most gamers get their news.

While Microsoft strives to communicate directly with it's customers and Nintendo is quickly adapting to that model as well, it's almost funny how far Sony keeps going to stick their foot in their mouth on a regular basis from up on high where the peasants can't reach. If they want to cut themselves off from communicating with a place where so many of their customers get their news, so be it. It's just another sign of how they don't "get it"

/salute Kotaku

NYLatenite

The fact of the matter is this is a VERY common thing, Nintendo and Microsoft just lived with it, because no matter how much you try to be a bully, you can't stop the internet. If it wasn't kotaku reporting it, it would have been some other sites (and other sites have).

BGSS

And Kotaku, keep on rockin'. Thank you for having the balls to do this.

BuckTwenty

Cause the bottom line is if the information didnt come from Sony under a NDA Sony cant really make them stop and can only grin a bear it. Denying it would have been better PR for Sony than what this is doing. For me the news went from a cool Sony is getting there network features together to Meh.

Konchu

Good for you for not backing down.

Rectangle

slime

tasty%20crabcakes.">coffeeguy

usedtabe

I applaud your work. I'm an avid fan of this blog and rave about it constantly. Sony is making something that would have been great buzz for the PS3 into a public-relations nightmare.

I just jumped onto the Microsoft bandwagon (oh dear lord! what am I saying!)

digitalmonkey

Judge373

Tell Kevin P. hi when they bring you on AOTS to talk about this.

Hand_O_Death

Anyway...taking such an action against something that was labelled as a "rumour" only serves to reinforce assumptions that it wasnt a rumor, more of a leak.

Keep on fighting the good fight Kotaku.

Sturm Truppen

Answer? "All of them".

subnet6

*Cough&MicrosoftMagicWand*Cough*

Kojjiro

Coherent

Sony is full of the stupidest employees in existence. I have always been against Sony and now I would pay to see Sony fail ultimately. I want to see every high level employee fired and blacklisted from every large business in the world. Fail Sony, fail huge and shut down Sony Computer. I never want to see another Sony video game product again. This is the dumbest move made by the company yet. You don't see Nintendo and Microsoft doing things like this.

protozoider

Rumors occur all the time. Writers investigate. Stories are broken before they are publically known.

This is just the nature of the business.

A similiar incident occured a year ago when Joystiq published a photo of a game from E3 not yet announced, but was announced a day later.

It happens. Businesses need to realize the nature of the internet and instant communication. They need to adapt.

Starcade

"Kotaku: Now You Will All Know Discipline!"

Skeep

Genius.

kliide

All they have done for the last year everytime they open their mouths is spew out a bunch of pure, unadulterated bullshit. You could have a long paragraph from something one of them said, and in the end, most readers will paraphrase that to, "here's a lie that we are sugar coating, followed by a dash of shit, and just a pinch of fuck you. Thank you for your time." Kotaku doesn't need Sony. All it gives Kotaku is negative feedback towards Sony in Kotaku's comments section. All it gives Sony is negative feedback from their consumers and from the rest of the industry.

As an avid gamer, it really pains me to feel this way, but I don't want to deal with Sony's PS3 at all. Their only hope for me right now is Mr Kojima and a good dose of Dante, (... er, not Dante? I guess?). The way things have been going lately, however, I wouldn't be surprised if they jump ship in the way of "non-exclusive". That's just a rumor, tough I just received an email from SCEA that they are blacklisting me as a consumer because of the rumor I just gave away.

Keep on keepin' on, Kotaku.

TheJinManCan

Sathan

upstart

Babylonian

I, for one, couldn't care less about the PS3 so I'm actually hopeful that there will be fewer stories to skip in the near future.

Keep up the good work.

Scottacus

I trust in Kotaku as a news source for my gaming needs, so it's sad that there won't be any exclusive Sony news for a while.

Now, take this simply as a matter of discussion and a point that needs clarification (and not in a bad way, please, as I don't intend to make it sound like an accusation or anything): Wasn't this way better for you, given the traffic this site gets? Maybe this topic is getting you way more attention, which means more hits. Do we, as readers, have to be worried about anything concerning hits, traffic and such? As I said, I trust in Kotaku, so I just want to get this straight? Is it good for you guys to get all of these comments and hits?

(I must once again stress I'm not making these questions to sound like a jerk and blame you; I just need to see what I don't see :D)

Claudius

just beautiful, where can i get my PSofCrap3? any store shelf ? i'm not suprised, didn't even sell out over the holiday season... i wonder why... lol

BaloniMan

I just can't believe it, I never thought something like this could actually happen.

Kotaku, thank you for giving us proper journalism and standing for the rights of the press. This is a proof that you are being critical and do good research above anything else.

Not to be rude, but you might have just created some of the biggest scandals of the modern gaming press' history. THis should hopefully lead to better infrastructure and understanding in the future of PR and journalism.

Marius

bubuli

"Kotaku: Now You Will All Know Discipline!"

The old Campion

http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/03/01/2230214.shtml

kiyoshiro

Z-Word

gtpunch

I respect you guys a lot for taking this course, and i hope in due time the fools at Sony will realise how stupid they have been, and remove you from their blacklist.

Blaaguuu

Blob1576

I have read so many of these comments, and there are a lot of great points. I can see both sides on this, and I can see that the Sony rep was put in an unfavorable position.

Everyday, I deal with issues in a similar way, and I have given up many possibilities for advancement because I will stand up for what is right and not just what will make some executive feel better.

On my desk, I have a prominently displayed quote quote from the last ESPN.com article written by Ralph Wiley before his death a few years ago, and I think it is appropriate for this situation:

"All a man's got is the integrity of his work."

kingofallcosmos

BaloniMan

Sadly, too often these big companies think that by courting the bloggers - flattering them with access, interviews, and information - that the blogger in turn should disregard his audience and become a corporate mouthpiece. Glad to see that just isn't true.

It's a silly thing for Sony to get annoyed about anyway. Kotaku is perfectly within their rights to comment on rumours as long as the context is clear. Sony are within their rights to comment on the rumours if they wish. If the issue at hand is a leak, the damage is already done - once the information is out there, you can hardly expect Kotaku not to comment on it. It is at this point that Sony should have tried to make the best of a bad situation and at least ensure that the information is correct and on-message. Once a leak hits the blogosphere, there really is no point throwing tantrums. The damage is done, the announcement is pre-empted, so roll with the punches and make good of the situation. Only Sony could find a way to put an overtly negative spin and focus on what is a very positive and exciting rumour, the best PS3 news we've had in ages!

kiigan

Yes they are. I don't hear Microsoft losing it's cool over a possible 360 v.2 or Nintendo threatening to take their Wii back when the New York Times reporter let all the release info out a day before their official announcement. Sony's got people doing PR that should be nowhere near a microphone or a keyboard.

Arsenal

Dinther

I suppose there is not much I can add at this point, except to say, "Boo Sony!"

Batmundo

I think this is a little too much, but i love both sony and kotaku. both of you help the other survive and i hope that things get resolved quickly.

I did think that the sony letter was well written. even though i disagree with what they are doing, they certainly were well spoken.

brian, keep up the good work. with you attitude, no one really looses. [:

jErrt

If this new service is really happening, then Sony needs to look at its own people and hold them accountable for the leak, not a blog whose interests lie in its readers, the same people who are potential consumers of Sony products and services.

I started my divorce with Sony a few years ago and have nearly completed it with the purchase of my Wii. This kind of nonsense is just another nail in the coffin. Shame on you, Sony.

twigg

cowbean

Hellsing

Will Clarke

How was this destroying it, though? I wasn't looking forward to their announcement before. Then Kotaku posted the rumour, and I started looking forward to the announcement.

bugbread

fecalchaos

That would be hilarious. Sony is running scared, as they realize Harrison would make a idiot out of himself in any and all interviews Kotaku would do.

Skeep

Samos42

It'd only be fair, right?

Nill

Perhaps if Sony would actually have some positive news, that is confirmed (rumble and PSHome are totally unconfirmed), and not smeared by the idiotic statement Sony makes for the say, perhaps we would think differently.

Skeep

robotplague

Also, didn't this place used to be a lot more pro-Sony? What happened?

LeGuru

VectorScalar

No, it's not political journalism. But there are those of us that take this industry seriously. For some of us, this industry is our career, or even our lives. It may not seem important to people who don't have this view, but for those of us that do, this is an outrage. Kotaku did nothing wrong here; they heard a rumor that seemed like there might have been some truth to it, and they reported it... as a rumor. What Sony did is way over the line, and while I used to think they were just confused and stupid, this action makes me see them as a very, very arrogant company, and I won't be buying any of their crap again.

I don't expect everyone to feel this way, but for people who are very interested in what happens in the industry, it's very hard to see this as a good thing, or even an acceptable thing.

user_21938

gtpunch

SirHamsterz

Kotaku rep++

Frodo

On the other hand, their GDC accouncement may ultimately pale in comparison to what the PS Home rumor could potentially offer. In that case, they may simply be trying to kill the rumor as not to make their actual annoucement seem so impotent.

Whatever the case may be, It simply hurts to watch Sony operate in such a direction-less manner.

dapimple

What a clusterfluck. Did he do the right thing by refusing to remove a story just because the subject asked him to take it down? Absolutely. Was it clumsy and ultimately self-damaging for Sony to openly declare it will no longer play ball with Kotaku? Most likely. If Sony really thought that this wouldn't become an even hotter news story by sending Kotaku that letter, they're just stupid. Refusing to comment would have allowed the rumor to be seen as just more speculation; hell, they could even have denied it, even if it's true. This action simply makes Kotaku look like they're revealing the truth that Sony doesn't want to be known, which only bolster's Kotaku's credibility and lessens Sony's.

That having been said: Is it reckless and unprofessional for Kotaku to constantly post rumors that cannot be adequately substantiated, simply because *someone* claims they're true, and often with sensational headlines like "Rumor: PS3 Background Downloading Sucks?" I sure think so. And if Kotaku believes that it must post this stuff, much of which cannot be called journalism without smearing the thousands of journalists who act in a much more responsible manner, it deserves to be blackballed. Sony could well have looked at Kotaku's history of posting rumors and general negativity about the PS3, along with the rampant hatred of the PS3 among its comments, and decided it had nothing to lose by refusing to provide Kotaku with more fodder.

The overall tone of the comments here is actually kind of funny, as most of you already hate Sony with a virulent, if perplexing, passion... you can't anti-buy a PS3 or bitch any more than 100% about how much they suck, so I can't see how this is going to hurt Sony's overall image among Kotaku readers. You hated them before, you hate them now, so... you hate them. Congratulations.

And if anyone is actually reading this, the flames begin...

------- HERE -------

Ikthog

Strong-arm tactics for the lose.

Orbiting234

Random J

That's not the same. Shane at 1UP said he was not supposed to go into detail (I think he had an NDA out for super paper mario) yet he still talked a bit about the core game mechanics, which although is not a lot, was probably more than he was supposed to. So you can understand nintendo being suitably pissed.

On the other hand, Kotaku has no NDA, and is talking about a veritable rumour, so the circumstances are substantially different.

nguyenth

psychicfriend

Microsoft and Nintendo are no different.

B33

nicomcm

Billqvist

The info got out. How does that ruin "the positive effect on PS3 owners"? I think its good news if it comes to fruition and I'm excited.

DigitalHero

How deep of a grave are they going to dig here?

qwhacker

Covert-X

punkasscrab

Now, if sony is smart, this could be some wierd viral marketing ploy, but somehow I doubt it.

If this was last gen, and it was PS2 hype, I'd be worried, but this is the next gen, and the PS3 is pretty much garbage (yes I own one--still waiting for Tekken damn it), and so Sony "blackballing" Kotaku just means Nintendo and MS now have the opportunity to cozy up to the Kotaku crew.

balls187

What's strange about this is that the company has historically been remarkably easy to work with and excellent about giving access to websites and blogs. I honestly think that we may not be talking about Sony in 10 years if things are so bad inside the company that a blog post about a rumor is enough to cause this kind of action.

grantly

Brian, do you have copies of the previous e-mail exchange prior to these last two that you could share with us?

Spoony Bard

Obviously sony didnt want this to leak out. Did you hear what apple was willing to do to keep the iPhone under wraps? They make sony look harmless.

Every company is evil. It's reality..get over yourself.

DefiantGSR

XsTatiC

You can cheapen everything with that logic. There's always gonna be some situation that's tougher, some circumstances more dire. That doesn't mean we should just suddenly disregard the little situations. For 99% of the people here, our lives are merely a collection of a whole lot of those little situations.

All people can do is stick to their principles whenever those principles are tested. And Crecente did that. Was he facing incredible life-threatening circumstances? No. But he was facing circumstances that would have forced a lot of lesser men to compromise themselves, and he stood his ground.

Only REAL assholes would try to belittle that.

Erec

Brian Crecente

2dskillz

Anyone remember when Nintendo's over-eager legal team sued the publishing company behind Next Gen (or was it EGM?) because they were publishing Pokemon strategy guides. And then the game mag wouldn't talk about Nintendo at all? Hahaha.

PersonalSpaceInvader

tsulami