Spoony Bard

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Contains secret beta info and more!

ChangingFate

I guess you won't be buying the next Halo, since someone already came out with a first person shooter 10 years ago.

I guess you won't be buying the next Final Fantasy, since someone already came out with an RPG years ago.

I guess you won't be buying any new consoles EVER, since we can all just sit around playing our Odysseys, right???

Get the fuck over it. Every new idea comes with a million spin-offs to that idea. This IS how progress is made. Taking an idea and improving upon it as much as you possibly can. That XBox 360 you're all championing wouldn't have even EXISTED if the first PlayStation hadn't dominated the market so much. MS saw that and decided to get in on it. So now you trash a system that is ripping off a system that...ripped them off?? That makes a lot of sense.

And enough bitching about the rumble already. It in NO way makes any game better. "Oooo when the screen shakes, my controller vibrates like a cell phone!!" What the fuck, are you all cavemen? Does this stupid technology impress you? Retards.

YNinja

I just fail to see how this news is supposed to make anyone happy.

SXGlory

As for those that think that Sony is copying, get a life. There are very few original ideas anymore anyway. Truth be told Animal Crossing is nothing more than The Sims with really cute critters instead of people. Most everything is derived from something someone's already done or was at least inspired by another idea.

At this point whatever Sony does is better than what we have now, which is nothing.

incredibilistic

Oh come now, tons of people have played numerous crap XB360 games for the sole purpose of getting additional achievements!

The Pii room decorating will commence regardless. I wonder if they will go back and add any achievements to existing games?

djblack70

peeweejd

audman

Similarly to the psp, its seems as if all they did planning wise was gathered a bunch of executives(that know bugger all about games) together sat down and said, we need to make a console that will promote the rest of sony, so lets have feature a, b c up to z and then later decide how we can get users to use those features, rather than going lets design a GAMES CONSOLE first then see what features we can add on as a bonus for users.

Almost 2 years on and in the eyes of most people, common people and even gamers, no body really knows what the psp is good for (homebrew is not an answer as its got very little to do with Sony's plan for it). The ps3 seems like its heading in the same direction.

Even if this feature was planned before nintendo even introduced the Mii concept (we don't know if it was or wasn't) , it doesn't change the PUBLIC PERCEPTION (keyword) of it, Mii's came first on the wii (for consoles), achievements came first on the xbox(for consoles). They can't expect to announce this feature at least 6 months after their competitors already have it (albeit with more supposeded functionality) and think that a majority of people won't sit there and think:

"wtf can't they bring anything original of their own to the gaming world this generation??".

Saying that though, this is still a rumour. But the blacklash is totally understandable (considering some of the things they've been saying for the last years), you don't have to be sony hater to feel some kind of irritation.

charsuipau

Tabarnacos

No need to be so insulting. Some people enjoy having a kind of gauge on their progress in the game, or having extra things to do beyond the main objectives in the game. It's like how many adventure games keep track of collectible things as you play; although there's no direct impact on gameplay, it can be fun to try to get everything. In some cases, the Achievements can add some real replay value to games. They're like secondary objectives.

Toasticus

But that's just me.

Torgo

SXGlory

I already own a 360 and a Wii, so the way I see it is that I'm already tapped into the source. Why wait for recycled ideas to come from Sony when there are already other options?

RUSKULL

RedRedSuit

Seriously, I don't get it. They need to implement achievements. It panders to the hardcore like no one's business. Its great for a system to have achievements, and f#%k all those who say that Sony shouldn't implement them.

Now, charging $50 bucks a year and more for each title for achievements is where you move into stupidity.

PC's have been doing "Free" for decades, yet suddenly you get what you pay for? Total bullshit.

Scuba Steve

evilplushie

diablofreak

Wa-Keen

Not a system-seller - that'll still be up to the games - but it's looking like a step in the right direction.

lemmy

Plus, if Sony can actually improve on a feature, what's to stop the improvements from making their way back to the original innovator? That kind of possibility is exactly why I don't want the PS3 to fail: competition drives progress.

To be honest, I hope the alleged Sony version of Miis and Achievements is better than those provided by Nintendo and Microsoft. That would drive Sony's competitors to improve further upon their respective products.

So I guess what I'm saying is, if this is true, it might just end up being good news for everyone.

Toasticus

blacksamurai87

Except I don't have a ps3, and I probably won't for years. But still. In principle it sounds cool

etho

I think it actually sounds kind of cool, if they do it right. It could go beyond what the Wii and 360 have done. That said, I'm still not planning on getting one.

itcomesinwaves

Brian Crecente

subnet6

The Casheater: You'll wish you'd never, ever bought it at all...

Random J

kupoporo

The major problem is that they are so arrogant about the playstation brand. I won't go into details because this is old news.

What do Sony's PR people do: they spew forth comments on how vastly superior the ps3 is and how the other systems are basically trash. Then they say they don't compete with Nintendo and turn around and trash the Wii. This is very juvenile.

What is really going on is that Sony is fighting for their PS3 life here. They have a hard sell and are really worried about the 360 and the Wii. Both the 360 and the Wii have introduced new aspects to gaming consoles BEFORE the mighty Sony could. Now Sony is running scared.

Yes, companies do copy concepts from elsewhere all the time. However, trashing a feature that the competitor has because you don't have it and later adding it as if it were an amazing discovery will not win you brownie points.

I've never seen a company build up so much negative press. They just can't stop themselves. Please, just state the facts, why it will make the PS3 a stronger product and more desirable. Please leave the bashing of the MS and Nintendo products out of it and you may just be looked at in a better light.

snapperdragon

They were forced to launch because they were one year late already, and the fans couldn't wait any longer.

TBH, I'd rather have the PS3 now, and upgrade it to full spec over 12 months, then have no PS3 at all for another year!

Silent_Shark

Sony need to decide what their market is for the PS3, The Home Theatre Enthusiast, The Hardcore Gamer, The Social Gamer, The children. Instead of just slinging so much shit and hoping some of it will stick.

BenHobbs

Kastef

CONFUSEDgam3r

Cheers and Bravisimo!

Chozoman

How do we know for certain that they copied anything? How easy do you think it is to develop the tech for the Sixaxis? How easy was it to code this new "PS Home" interface?

Did they just get a Wii and say "hey, I want something like that by next weekend?" That seems a bit of a stretch to me.

I guess that part of me believes that the Motion Sensitivity was in the works for much longer than the month between Nintendo showing the Wii-mote and Sony announcing their tech. Just because developers didn't know about it doesn't mean that it wasn't in the works. Maybe they didn't tell devs about it because they didn't know if they wanted to include it in the final version.

Again, Devil's Advocate.

Torgo

...rrrrriiiiiiiight...

For chrissakes, can't Sony come up with a single damn thought on their own?
I always shake my head when I see the Sony fan boys coming out of the wood works saying things like, "The Wii will be Nintendo's LAST system! HAHAHA!"
Sony had better HOPE Nintendo never bows out or they'll be completely screwed. WHO would they steal- I mean, 'borrow'- from then?!

Oh man, but I HOPE this is the big announcement that Harrison is set to make. I just hope somebody has a video camera so all the booing i recorded.
ARGH!

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

so, congratulations sony

Waka in Japan

chebyrashka

psychobadger

if this is true, then why does phil continue to take shots at nintendo & the wii, like the following:

"If you are going to have an avatar which is your representative in a virtual world, it has to stand for more of your personality than some 2-D cartoons. So while I think that millions of people would be happy with cartoony looks, the planet at large probably isn't."

the reason, of course, is because it isn't true. thank you for proving to the world that you're a fucking lying douchbag, phil harrison.

AgainstOne

That being said, all the consoles have good things. And if one console does something well, and others start doing it well, too - good for the people that own those consoles if they end up enjoying the borrowed functionality.

However, if you have a console that is making a "huge announcement" that will make the owners ecstatic and start making consoles - it ends up being somewhat anti-climactic when it is only functionality that resembles what others have done. Miis weren't that original, but Nintendo never used the Mii functionality by itself as a megaton announcement either. Achievements may have been done before, but Microsoft included that as part of showing off a larger online service, not as a standalone system-seller.

When you hear big announcement, you expect it to be something relatively new, like a brand new device, new exclusive, purchased studio or big partnership deal with another company, not the stuff someone else is getting lauded for for the previous three months.

BigHeadDave

DeadPlasmaCell

giovonti

You know what would make me happy? If they announce some worth while games that are PS3 exclusives.

xkc20d

Granted you may not have a compelling reason to get a PS3. (Me, I never met a console I didn't want here's looking at you Jaguar) or have a desire to see yourself and other "real" people in a game.

But you can't deny the allure of having your image out there. Myspace & youtube are evidence enough of that.

You may find yourself in the minority on this one.

Futurus

And You wonder why the media blames gamers? We've become the poster child for unrest in conservative America, and they are right. We're horrible group of people, one I am starting to become ashamed of claiming to be apart of it. Gaming culture of the past is by far superior to this one. Nostalgia isn't the perpetrator of my melancholy, rather, it's this next generation that's supposedly so great. All I see now is gamers bitching at each other over the most inane things. When I first starting reading Kotaku, I was hoping to get away from all the gamespotting, IGN, 1up bullshit. I thought I found a true community of gamers for gamers. I guess I was a victim of my own gospel. I thought it was safe to hold Kotaku to higher standards. It's clear to me now that belief was terminal to begin with.

Worthless

Brian Crecente

That's like that demo they did back before launch of the ps3 turing your photos into digital 8x10s that lay on a digital coffee table.

The beauty of achievments is that they aren't somehting you need to commit to. You just get them. It doesn't mean another level of micromanagement in the console, it just means you have bragging rights. The miis are the same sort of thing. they are your little avatar, and they are fun to create, but they are used in games so there is a purpose.

Playstation room would just be another useless feature in another line of useless features on the ps3. How much memory would it take? Can you check in whenever, wherever? How much of your HDD will you sacrifice for it? Camn you even visit someone else's room? and if you can, why would you want to?

Marasai

lol man i realise the sixaxis can;t do rumble thats why its so light. But i can hope can't i?

Or would u rather i say sony is copying ms or nintendo instead of saying what would make me happy?

yeah thought so

lefty420

WaterMedia

There really is no way to satisfy these anti-sony fanboys.

DefiantGSR

Barbara

Show me some good games first ... there is nothing that makes me say, "Wow, I need a PS3."

jayntampa

.... Oh wait,I've got these things already. On a console where I've played tons of games and spent tons of time on unlocking achievements? What are you saying to me, thats its a little late?

It IS what your saying isn't it.

To little to late Sony, if that was something you felt was important you would have perfected it and included it in the retail release. You may even have let people in on this information, you know, to get that Hype machine rolling. No, your truly falling behind and trying to play catch up, taking ideas that other companies have implemented while introducing none of your own is going to be just as bad as having a Generic FPS clone thats made by ValuSoft.

BTW nice job with that whole Sixaxis thing as well.

Come on Sony, the whole world has the gun pointed at your head and all you can do is hand them ammo?

Don't worry, we'll all be here when the trigger gets pulled ... we'll be the ones who did it.

FiXXXerX

Anyways, what does showing me that Sony has sold 100,000 more than Xbox 360 in it's first 3 months prove? If it's selling rate, 100,000 more is pretty pathetic considering the popularity of the PlayStation brand, and that you can basically go to any store and pick one up. MS had manufacturing issues for how long again?

Whatever...that's all besides the point. I made a witty statement and I paid for it. So be it, you win.

Keeko_ca

Also this lil bit was posted way back in February from an "insider" on IGN

"freakyguy666: Has anyone else heard the rumors of a major Sony Online upgrade? Apparently the update will make the Xbox LIVE interface look antiquated in comparison. Apparently the interface is set up like a Virtual Town where each user has their own virtual apartment. Within your apartment you store your collection of acheivements and virtual trophies to show off to any "visitors" (i.e. people on your Friends list). Your friends could visit you if you are "home" (i.e. online)and once inside they could "walk around" your apartment and view how you've decorated your place. But more importantly, they could listen to any music or watch videos that you've got in your place (i.e. content you've stored on your PS3). Furthermore, your friends could join you for a game of cards or other simple games while listening to your music or even running a movie on your virtual TV (again using data on your PS3 HD). Once outside of your apartment you could visit the virtual Movie Theater to download--what else?--video content, visit the virtual Arcade, and other more exciting areas that I'm not at liberty to discuss yet...

The bottomline is that the interface is going to get a major overhaul and it's supposed to be very slick and user friendly. It will make apparent the advantages of the PS3 hardware and--dare I say--the new Sony Online Network."

jackal888

That being said, I don't give a damn about achievements (yes, I own a 360 with Live) so at the moment I will not give a damn about this (yes, I own a PS3). As for the avatars, I hope they aren't suggesting semirealistic-like Miis as the article seems to be pointing out. Then again, it would be different from the Wii.

Torusan

@Torgo, amen brother.

Jack Ruby

Jim on the Wall

Hesei

Doomstalk

Price point is a barrier to entry.

phinehas

Tanod

inajeep

Nobody owns one, huh?
http://www.vgcharts.org/aconscomps.php?name1=PS3&name2=X36...

Wrong answer

Torgo

Instead of bitching about how people flame what they do not have I will just keep it at that for now.

Hand_O_Death

Torgo says:
If you like your 360 and/or Wii, great, so do I. But that doesn't mean that the PS3 is automatically something to hate. Use your aggression towards something that actually deserves it, like Nazi's or something.

03/01/07 03:45 PM

Vader582

miketuck3r

br549

You mean, when the 360 released the HDDVD ad-on long after launch, or maybe you are speaking of Gears of War being an essential element to the success that the 360 has had.

It makes no difference. As long as the hardware works, it makes no difference what strategic implementations take place during the life of system.

Every corporation changes directions from time to time.

fallingdove

Keeko_ca

mfelps

But I'm not bitter...

axiomatic

Gott

The thing about the software updates is that cool feautures can be added that weren´t available before... I don´t know why some fanboys get so pissy about it, if you don´t want them, don´t get them... you won´t be missed.

PJ Moreno

None of these companies care about you, all of them lie and copy each other. Get over yourself.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Not by Sony, that's for sure!

I have an evil twin, all right? But really, Torgo has hit it spot on. I enjoy my PS3 and my 360. One day, I'll complete the tri-fecta with a Wii. But the corp-rats don't love you, they love your money. Wii might be more user-friendly, but it ain't your friend. And I think my PS3 is trying to kill me.

TitillatedOcelot

"Progress is made by doing what other people have already done? "

No. Read what I said. Progress is made by taking someones idea and improving upon it. We have games on cartridges but we have music on discs. . . hmmm maybe we can put games on discs?

Halftard.

Lachoy

zingbot

Stormflood

Wait, what? You know you can download all sorts of network TV and movies (SD and HD movies) and it has original titles on live as well. Did I understand you correctly?

The Wii...not so much. All old games. I've yet to download a VC game on the Wii and I have a classic control sitting at home just gathering dust.

Adam In Texas

/finger crossed

Stormflood

mokona7

psychlotron

MishoM

VakeroRokero

Maybe if they hadn't said the corporate doublespeak for "fuck you, nintendo" in between every statement (see "it has to stand for more of your personality than some 2-D cartoons" for details), I could respect them just a little bit.

Narsil

Still waiting for keyboard and mouse support, thanks.

And I've yet to see the amount of download options on the Wii or 360 that adds up to more than minigames and retro.

Scuba Steve

I was just playing WTF for the PSP and it supposed to be a Wario ware clone... it's not. It sucks beyond anything. The fun thing about warioware is silly repetitive games for three seconds. Not silly repetitive games for a couple hours EACH. I guess you got a Ps3 for free that's why you love it so much... Let's see Sony making their own ideas for a change, can it be so hard?? this thing just makes me sad for them... I was getting a Ps3 a couple years from now but all this copying the have been doing makes me feel I already have the best there is...

VakeroRokero

This is ridiculous, Sony has again made it painfully obvious that they don't know where this console stands between gaming and some form of home computer. It is also clear that neither the software, the Store, the system, or the concepts were ready at launch.

360 had some problems at launch that were fixed with downloads, but they haven't introduced new essential elements.

Lou3000

Interesting rumor and cant wait to see how Sony handles it, I hope this gives more value to people who currently own a PS3.

GabooN

All signs point to.....YES

GoonieGooGoo

Barbara

mokona7

I think its an awesome idea. It won't be the PS3s saviour though. It would be a great step for Sony though.

fallingdove

moonfirelol

The Master Approves

Torgo

MJD

MJD

Novel idea (even if functions of it are grafted from Nintendo's and MS's consoles), but PERSONALLY it doesn't attract me towards the system at all. I think a centralized service ala Xbox Live, only free, would have been enough. I don't want to play Habbo Hotel/Second Life on my PS3, I just want to play games with my friends (both online and those in the real world whom I see every day) with access to downloads for my games (or whole new games ala XBLA) all through a centralized service so the jumping between games and services is seamless.

akwinters

I own almost every system ever made, and I have 18 systems hooked-up right now. I have a Wii, PS3, and a 360, so I try to be as objective as possible.

With that, I really like my PS3, and with VF5, Tekken:DR, MK II with online play for $5, MLB '07: The Show, and Motorstorm, I'll be enjoying it even more. Hell, I've been playing flOw a LOT more than I ever expected too.

If you like your 360 and/or Wii, great, so do I. But that doesn't mean that the PS3 is automatically something to hate. Use your aggression towards something that actually deserves it, like Nazi's or something.

None of these companies care about you, all of them lie and copy each other. Get over yourself.

Torgo

XsTatiC

Karttikeya

are you serious?

you know that the guts for that stuff isn't inside the sixaxis. you know that, right? you can't just make rumble appear. it's moving mechanical parts inside the controller.

oh, and then there is the lawsuit and patent infringement issue.

smarten up.

ortholomeux

VakeroRokero

I agree with you. Sony isn't copying anything. Read back a few months and Sony was talking about all of these things before the Wii was on shelves.

While we're at it, Nintendo didn't invent avatars, motion sensing or an online meeting space. Strange how when Nintendo "copies" these things, they're being "innovative".

TitillatedOcelot

jackal888

Phil Harrison has been talking about Digital Object Distribution and has made references to Second Life numerous times, before the PS3 launched and before the Wii Prelaunch Press Event. I doubt Nintendo had an influence to make them start this idea, more like the influence just to get the feature out the door sooner.

Karttikeya

Amen to that. It's getting silly in here.

TitillatedOcelot

If a gaming console copied all the "original" ideas of every other console - motion controls, Miis, Achievements, (I can't think of something for the PS3 so *insert example here*), and then came up with a few minor creative ideas on its own, wouldn't this console just be delivering what people want?

I myself am mixed on this idea. On one hand I get pissed when I see a company blatantly copying another one's incredibly creative ideas. On the other hand, I don't mind at all not having to worry about losing a feature by choosing a particular brand.

Just food for thought.

KeithC

photoboy

huh?!

Eyerox

K-OSS

Doomstalk

DBX00

Something tells me a feature like this simply won't do it, nor make PS3 owners the happy boys that Phil seems to be promising. Right now the PS3 needs a huge bit of news. Along the lines of a huge exclusive being brought out this year or a series of exclusives, or more.

And for those of you that arguing that the idea is not a copy of both the 360 achievements and a copy of the Mii's, well... maybe you're right. After all, we have no concrete information on this idea. But from what the description sounds like, it will look remarkably similar. And as much as you argue otherwise think about what the general public will think of first when they see the idea. Yeah, been done, for 100-350 dollars LESS. It needs to be RADICALLY different to not create that effect in consumers.

Personally? I think the announcement is one of two things:

Thing the first - A media based imrpovement - a huge expansion of the PS3 Online store. Movies, TV, music, etc etc.

Thing the second - an MMORPG that we all know and love. Not WoW, as previous comments from Blizzard point towards a no for that. But could it be something along the lines of Everquest? Guild Wars? Or something more "indie" such as Eve-Online?

KeithC

Robotube

RomeoDude

Mezodon

No they didn't, but the fact that Sony is announcing it after seeing its success on the Wii is lame

Avinash_Tyagi

mokona7

Jeez, you guys are all gamers, hardcore ones at that. Stop bickering at each other and get along already.

Drake Lake

Michael McWhertor

Devil

I think it's cool as hell and hope it turns out to be true. Remember, everything you see around you was taken from one persons idea and improved upon by another. That's how PROGRESS happens. There is nothing new under the sun. . .

Lachoy

Karttikeya

mokona7

Hellsing

Sony copied Macromedia Flash from about 6 years ago.

Scazza

someone had to say it!

BlindsidesDork

I'm sure bloody 2D avatars and stylish ways of displaying "PWNed!" would be more appealing to Sony's target audience.

This philosophy of trying to do everything the competition is doing but worse, and out of context to the product they sell, is really hurting the PS3 right now.

What WOULD make the PS3 better would have been to actually followed through with what they promised initially. Killzone 2 prerender quality graphics in games, dual 1080P output, integrated router, keeping hardware backwards compatibility. That is enough to justify $200 more than the competition. Another half baked Nintendo idea doesn't cut it.

Rioracer916

Cartman86

What you are implying, essentially, is that the PS3 should not have features you like.

But wait, you want NEW features you like, but you also want old features you like, but you get pissy if you get those old features because you can get those old features elsewhere, and basically nothing Sony could ever do could ever satisfy you.

Sounds intriguing to me, and hate to break it to you, but it's different enough from both systems that it's still unique. Unless of course you want "Disembodied head screaming profanity intermingled with your various achievements, then slowly transforming into each of your distant relatives while blood pours from its eye sockets." That would be unique, yes. It would also be stupid.

arcthemonkey

But seriously, worst attempt at any sort of functionality ever. 360 has the achievements, wii has the miis. they dont mix well, so dont do it.

aden.exe

not something that will make me pay 500 for a rumble-less console. I did not buy my 360 for achievments though they are fun and the rewards program is cool.

i was actually hoping sony would announce rumble features being added back in. Part of my reason for not caring bout the ps3 plus its 500 price tag. Pay more for less, and the comments by sony that rumble is last gen and not needed. Man they make me angry.

So have fun in your virtual rooms lol. For me i still sit mad over my rumble and ope this is not the big news for gdc

lefty420

Why not? That's exactly the kind of console i'd like to have. A console that can take good ideas that work from their competitors and make them its own.

MaXiMuM

yidali

mikevsworld

Lyme

DBX00

hegemonyhog

But it certainly would bring a certain much-needed sense of completion to the console.

phinehas

Scazza

Karttikeya

mrpoopiepants

subject117

Hesus christ on a skateboard! Can Sony do anything fucking original anymore? I'm not planning on kicking 6 bills on a console that basically is just adding shit from everybody else....

heretrix

P.s sony should get their own fucking ideas for once.

CrimemasterGogo

sirpilf

The Nintendo fanboys will call Sony copy cats, and I'll be laughing at their ignorance.

Karttikeya

doubtful

B33

Simply because of the internet's tubes being clogged by the response

Scot