Here's a link with an officail statement from the Emmy people.

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SmokeyTab

CanadianZero

Heh, I guess that's going to be taken as further evidence that the award was bought.

Purple Dave

mokona7

http://www.emmyonline.org/emmy/advmedia_nom_release.html

Yes, Sixaxis is inferior in just about every way, all that I know of other than number of buttons, to the Wii Remote, but that's not why Sony won this.

I think it's possible Sony won this the same reason crappy films like Gladiator can win Best Picture while quirky, brilliant independent film will never win, because the studios basically run the Academy, and Sony owns Columbia Pictures. The Oscars exist to promote the big studios, not movies (or anything else) in general, and certainly not a company that has until recently had little to do with movies (and even now, only in Japan).

I could be wrong about some of this, but I suspect that I am not.

John H.

Draconis

Just when there was brief moment of actually believing Sony sold 1 million PS3s, they go and do something like this and totally lose all credibility. Sony is so full of it, its not even funny. Whats next? PS3 cures cancer?

cybereality

Best show to come out of America in a while!

Triggster

Sharpless

It's the fucking EMMY's! No serious videogamer should really give a shite. No NON-serious gamer either.

ginrei724

They should have used those bribe funds to work out their logistical problems. As well as marketing problems.

Let 'em have that award. Nintendo will get the only award that truly matters: the dollars from the buyers.
Hope the Clio awards give Nintendo best videogame commercial for that 'Wii Would Like To Play' business.

John Lucas

johnlucas

This is just industry insiders licking each other's sweet butthole.

ranzchic

What the PS3 (controller) has done is just copy Wii and 360, but you guys can't say that MS an Nintendo never copied anything off sony.

C'mon, who really cares about the BS emmys anyway.

BTW, NinjaBall - WTF?

dnzperson

firestorm117

Mike918

Ah but the 360 controller also got a major ergonomic redesign. Many people can agree that the 360 pad feels very natural and balenced, and is possibly one of the most comfortable controllers to date.

In addition to that it also has a much more effetive wireless interface (you dont need to hook it up with a wire to go wireless) and the ring of light/guide button is a very seamless way to navigate and to know which screen you have active as opposed to a few numbered LED's.

Either way i pulled a huge wtf when i saw this. Everyone knows the Wii should have won this award.

TheForgotenHero

Frodo

jasongw

majatt

In Red Steel, other than your controller's speaker telling you you're "it" or whatever, is there really no other indication (like maybe an on-screen indicator)? That's just bad game design. Especially considering the sound can be moved to your TV speakers simply by turning the remote's speaker off.

NinjaBall says:

I have no problem with differences of opinion, but try to keep it above the belt line.

The Sixaxis doesn't require a sensor bar because it doesn't provide the function for which the sensor bar is used.

L_K_M

nerfgun

"This is no real surprise. Maybe the Wiimote is more inventive seeming, but you still need to hook up a sensor bar on top of or below your tv. The motion sensing in the ps3 is contained within the console itself and the controller. From an engineering perspective, the Sixaxis is a better built controller."

As has been said numerous times, the accelerometers built into the Wiimote do *not* require any sensor bar placed anywhere. This is the same level of motion-sensing that the SIXAXIS has, and is completely limited to. The sensor bar is only required to get *more* capabilities than the SIXAXIS. The SIXAXIS is entirely incapable of the kind of absolute positioning that the sensor bar allows the wiimote to do. Instead of acknowledging these points, he simply engages in name-calling anyone who disagrees with his position.

leviathan3k

Anyway, like everyone else said. What makes the PS3 more advanced then the Wii? I havnt heard of the Wii remotes needing to be plugged in because the bluetooth lost connection with the system. Also, how can you shove a PS3 remote in a pussy and/or ass and try to play with it? No, only the Wii Remote can do that!

Justcrim

What does drinking olive oil have to do with the Suxasses?

Purple Dave

But in all seriousness, the Emmy board shot themselves in the foot with that. The Wiimote is obviously the most innovate, most interesting technology out there controller wise. C'mon... I mean that's what everyone's been talking about even since it was just rumored and that's what everyone's talking about when it was shown at E3 (and Sony changed theirs to be similar to Nintendo's after seeing Nintendo's offering).

And as someone else pointed out, everything in the SIXAXIS is in the Wiimote minus the rechargable batteries (which admittedly Sony definitely did right compared to the 360 and Wii). So the trade off here is less motion sensing technology, no pointing technology, no rumble, no speaker, no internal memory (or does the SIXAXIS have that?) for rechargable batteries? How in the dickens does anyone expect to take the Emmy board seriously after that?

I mean you can argue winning other awards for the PS3 due to BluRay and the Cell processor, but the controller is the last thing they should've won.

spork

The 360 controller, having been released in 2005, is not eligible for a 2006 Emmy. Though the Suxasses winning over the Wiimote/Nunchuk is a screw job. And I'm still not sure why an award centered around television shows has a category that accomodates video game controllers anyways...

"I held a Dual Shock, and tried moving it around in the air, twisting and turning...I found the way my wrists when holding the Dual Shock to make it very uncomfortable. Has anyone encountered this?"

Probably.

"I'll tell you how the Wii Remote doesn't win: batteries."

Lithium Ion batteries (such as the suxasses uses) start to degrade based on date of manufacture more than charge cycles. Some of the internal components begin an oxidation process from Day 1 (this is unique to Li-Ion batteries, BTW), and there is currently no way to prevent this. Once the oxidation reaches a certain threshold, low-drain devices will see greatly reduced performance, and high-drain devices (like laptops) will cause it to fail outright. Having a will-need-to-be-replace-before-the-...8th-gen-is-released Lithium Ion battery installed in a manner that's clearly not designed for replacement is a load of crap. The Wiimote will work on whatever batteries you feel like providing. Wanna use alkalines? Go ahead, though it'll cost you long term. Wanna go the economy route? Use NiMHs (ideally, the next-gen NiMHs that'll maintain most of their charge after a full year just sitting on the shelf). Feel like having a sleeker setup? Get one of the upcoming 3rd Party snap-in battery packs and charger stations. But the point is, when your batteries do fail, it's simple to replace them. (The one big gripe I have about the DS is the fact that they did use proprietary battery packs, but at least they designed a removable cover that only has one screw and doesn't require cracking the entire thing open)

"360 controller differences.
-different, better shape. One of the most comfortable controllers ever"

That last bit is purely subjective. I picked one up on a suggestion, just to see if it'd be worth getting one for my PC...way too small for a real adult hand. I've got the defunct Gamersfactory G60306A gamepad hooked up to my laptop, and the Saitek P990 Dual Analog hooked up to my desktop. Both are far more comfortable than the gimpy little 360 controller, and I'd still like a gamepad design with more robust handgrips (ironically, this is coming from a guy who regularly uses a micro-mouse).

"Doesn't it also randomly disconnect from the PS3? Some feat of engineering."

Er, uh...that's a built-in feature! Yeah, that's it. It's, um, to keep you from killing yourself by gaming for 40 hours straight. See, because it forces you to go outside and enjoy the sun (or moon, depending) or eat/bathe/sleep and stuff.

"I'm against the Six-Axis winning the award, but I don't see why you all are yelling at, or insulting, NinjaBall... Seriously, it seemed like to me that all he did was say how he thinks that the SixAxis is a better controller... And then someone said he won an award for cluelessness, so he responded with an insult."

The "cluelessness" bit was solely because he believed the Wiimote requires the sensor bar for motion-sensing, when it's only required for the on-screen targetting. That and the fact that he considers a 10-year old, twice rehashed, hand-crippling controller design to be better "from an engineering perspective." And yes, I am apparently the only person not employed by Sony who thought the Boomerang was a great idea.

Purple Dave

oh wait, who could be on the Board of Directors for the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences?:

"NORTH HOLLYWOOD, CA, Feb. 15, 2006 - The Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Foundation has named four industry influentials to its Board of Directors, it was announced by Steve Mosko, Chairman of the Foundation.

The four are Margaret Bellville, Partner, CarterBaldwin; Dawn Reneé Du Mont, EVP Integrated Media Solutions; Diane Robina, President, Comcast-Sony Networks; and Teri Schwartz, Dean, Loyola Marymount University's School of Film."

oh mercy me, who do we have here? a Sony official on the Board of Directors? whodathunkit!?

(Sony's got other higher-ups installed in various positions of this "Academy". Nintendo does not appear to have anyone holding positions here, and the only mentions of Microsoft are for needing knowledge of MS Office to apply for jobs with the Academy.)

fightinfilipino

SirPimps

when i first read one of many inaccurate articles on aeropause.com about desyncing i went to the ps3 forums to check it out. there was only one posting complaining about the desync issue in the first three weeks after the launch. i found this to be strange since the aeropause articles made it seem like this was a common issue.

it turns out that whoever complained about the sixaxis on the ps3 forum, the one and only complaint at the time mind you, used the exact same forum entry word for word on aeropause. even one of the aeropause staff found this odd and accused the poster of being a troll.

i'm wondering how many people have actually used both the wiimote and the sixaxis enough to make the authoritative conclusions you guys seem to have reached.

its good to know that all of you have because i know no one here on kotaku would be talking out the side of their necks about issues they really know nothing about like they do on so many other game sites.

clearly you all love gaming enough to have either bought both the ps3 and the wii (and the '360!) like me, or made arrangements to use both controllers extensively and have based your opinions not on wiik fanboy angst but on your own experiences.

its good to know that the fanboy drivel that commonly enters the narative at other games sites never enters the discussion here on kotaku.

i like both controllers though i have to say occasionally i have an issue with the wiimote that i have never had with the sixaxis.

i like to play sitting down in my big recliner with my legs crossed and the controllers in my lap and once in awhile my wiimote will disappear from the screen because its blocked by my leg or the chair.

its not such a problem when i'm playing a game because i pretty much have to stand up to play with all the gesticulation involved, but it can be a pain in the ass when i'm trying to use the web/weather functions on the wii.

youareivan

iao_

MorderVonAllem

chebyrashka

Microsoft makes the new Xbox remote wireless and moves some of the buttons to make it better (sorry, don't know much about the Microsoft remote so I can't comment that much on it).

Sony decides that their remote is almost perfect, choosing to keep everything on the remote as it was with the second one (and first one for that matter). They take out the rumble because everyone knows that people don't want to feel things happening. And they add a small sensor in it so if you move it up or down something might happen in some games.

Somebody tell me who was on the commitee that decided that Sony should win. I'm going to stick a sharpened rumble motor up their ass and pour liquid gold down their throat (those that don't get the liquid gold thing should brush up on their roman history or just wikipedia it).

Spiderbait

Anyway, I do think that the Wiimote should have won, but... Honestly, this seems like one joke of a category for an emmy award. In my own opinion, it shouldn't even be there! Heh.

But still, good for Sony, I suppose...Huhm.

Taioko

You too are right.

TitillatedOcelot

@amazinglarry

And I learned something today. Think next time you can get your point across without the name calling? I have no problem with differences of opinion, but try to keep it above the belt line. That's all I'm asking.

werk

amazinglarry is right, you are an ass

Sony chucked the motionsensing capabilities in the

sixaxis controller at the last minute and in response to the wii, even if they had patents for it years before, if they had intended to put it in the controller from the word go - why didnt they tell the devs until 5 hours before e3 (i know this was the case because i have worked with a ps3 dev and descussed this)

they havent even changed the 10 old design apart from adding a few essential but not parmount to gaming experience buttons.

dont kid yourself, even if you think the wii mote didnt deserve to win - it did a damn site more than the sixaxis.

DUOPHONIX.com

And I learned something today. Think next time you can get your point across without the name calling? I have no problem with differences of opinion, but try to keep it above the belt line. That's all I'm asking.

TitillatedOcelot

Anyway I wouldn't feel too bad about wrecking some launch titles if it saves me some arthritis in the future.

dowingba

I suppose I'll have to reiterate what's already been posted 30 times:

"Maybe the Wiimote is more inventive seeming, but you still need to hook up a sensor bar on top of or below your tv. The motion sensing in the ps3 is contained within the console itself and the controller. From an engineering perspective, the Sixaxis is a better built controller."

It's the same exact thing for the Wiimote too genius. The sensor bar is only used for pointing the controller/cursor at the screen.

For someone trying to express their 'understanding' you didn't do a very good job.

amazinglarry

"You can't win the argument because you already made a blatant ass of yourself."

For disagreeing? I meant because this room is crowded with fanboys. And then I attempt to express my understanding and that's what you come back with?

You, sir, are the ass here.

TitillatedOcelot

You can't win the argument because you already made a blatant ass of yourself.

amazinglarry

Nintendo must have realized this, since they designed their motion control from the ground up, instead of tacking on 'N'-AXIS at the 11th hour. SIXAXIS support from the SDK wasn't even implemented until the very last patch before launch, so developers had no time to get their motion control working. It is no wonder so many launch games made such crappy use of it.

And what's up with the controller desync issues? I thought they'd have fixed this stuff by the time the console came out. Don't have that problem with my No-emmy-award-winning Wiimotes.

ludwigk

TravistyOJ

Blackchild1101

Ixero

Bah, who am I kidding...I can't win this argument. I'm just gonna stop there.

TitillatedOcelot

The speaker is actually required for some games. Not many at this point in time, but both Red Steel and Rayman Raving Rabbids require the speaker. And at least with Red Steel this functionality can't just be moved to the TV's speakers.

Field Anony-mouse

??? Really? Maybe more traditional. And that motion sensing is the controller, not the console, although ditto for the wiimote. The Six has more in common with the Nunchuk to my understanding.

As far as engineering, lets start chucking those sixaxis controllers into HD-Tv's, ceiling fans and walls as hard as we can so I can really see which controller is better engineered!

Terranvoid

You have to sync the ps3 to any system you want to play it on. And Sony ripped the idea from N because they didn't want to pay Immersion. And please explain the "better built" part. That makes no sense.

~xoaks~

bite me.

and for posting it twice...

bite me.

TitillatedOcelot

Baz

dowingba

dvddesign

dowingba

All of the devices that allow the wiimote to do what the SIXAXIS does aren't contained within the wiimote as well, its accelerometers and gyroscopes don't need the sensor bar in anyway.

The 360 controller is by far the best conventional controller out there, if it only it had a better d-pad though, I hate the kind where its too hard to just push straight left right up or down every time.

The SIXAXIS isn't a "best of both worlds" product in my eyes. I'm not by any means saying that its not a good controller though.

The Wiimote doesn'r have neough software out there yet to really get a good feel, so far its seems that some games are trying to use too many buttons, and it can be awkward to reach lots of the buttons that aren't meant to be hit a lot. In time developers will hopefully figure out how to develop games for the Wii and more specifically develop games for the wiimote.

der-Karl

Sorenso

The_Truth

doubtful

photoboy

AFreak

To be completely honest with you, there should be a "Tretton-filter" installed on the interweb, because I've never for the life of me read anything written or said by him which is meaningful in any way whatsoever and I can't really see things getting better either. At the very least he could learn to master rhetoric like Krazy Ken Kutaragi has.

akwinters

Better built than the Wiimote because it has less functionality and expandability? Imagine that. Less is more I guess.

Field Anony-mouse

But seriously, how could this not go to the Wii Remote?

Psychotext

The sixaxis doesn't need a sensor bar because it doesn't have the features that require it. If the Wii remote were just as bad, it wouldn't need a sensor bar either.

werdnaibor

360 controller differences.
-different, better shape. One of the most comfortable controllers ever
-guide button
-like you said, the black and white buttons got turned into shoulder buttons
-wireless built into them.

ps3 controller differences.
-guide button (wow, monkey see, monkey do)
-wireless built into them.
-accelerometers(see above sarcastic comment)

besides adding the wireless, all sony did was copy other companies; which they probabley saw nintendo or microsoft doing already.

You know, I'm going to make a movie. It is going to break every box office record and win every award. It will be called brave titanic mountain. It will feature a rag-tag group of Scottish men who are outkast from society on their boat that crashes into a mountain, and they have to win their freedom as they attempt to survive and have to eat each other to live, like in that other movie with that sports team that crashes in the mountains. It will win so many awards. Now... for the millions of dollars needed to fund it. Sony likes sinking ships. : )

stevemkrenz

JosJos

But yeah, this is a little silly. Its clearly a more interesting/innovative input device, and way more popular at the moment.

Kotaku, stop with the 'will never have rumble', that's absurd. The PS1 didn't have rumble when it shipped and of course they added it later. Its a USB plug, they can do whatever goofy controllers they want. Including Wii Remote ripoffs.

nerfgun

snazzynick

chico

satek

snazzynick

My understanding is that the wixaxis controller does not match the functionaility of the wii-mote. It does not have spacial location recognition, which the sensor bar of the wii-mote allows. I could be wrong about this, but the sixaxis controller couldn't be used as a pointer, correct?

The sixaxis motion controls seems to just be a cheap rip off of the wii's.

rluzinski

well when exactly will this "full potential" be realized? i feel like they'll be spewing this garbage well into 2008 as well. only then it'll be "fully realized" that sony's full of shit. put up or shut up, the only ones buying this must be sony stockholders, coz as far as i understand, there are plenty of ps3s sitting around, waiting for a good home. i'll think about picking one up when they're $300 and actually have something that can't be ignored.

and yea, i can't believe the sixaxis got this award over the wii. fucking pathetic.

coin_operated_boy

What a fucking Joke...

huginn

TitillatedOcelot

I'm at a loss of words, really.

kuribo

But I guess now we have to sit through the slew of people accusing Sony of buying the award, and reminding us constantly that ITS ALL ABOUT TEH FUN!!!

TitillatedOcelot

"How does the Wii-mote NOT win?!"

lol

Plus I love the shrill bullshit of "The overwhelming consumer demand and critical acclaim for PS3 is testament of the platform's strength and the industry's desire for a true next-generation entertainment system." Are they still spouting that xbox1.5 bullshit? Didn't they get served at launch?

Scazza

ridleysaria

PS- anyone know why there should be an Emmy for the best videogame controller? Is that a new category?

psychicfriend

And a speaker!"

And complete FREEDOM, not just six axis.... which is lame...

Twenty5

rluzinski

I held a Dual Shock, and tried moving it around in the air, twisting and turning...I found the way my wrists when holding the Dual Shock to make it very uncomfortable. Has anyone encountered this?

AlteredBeast

And a speaker!

zealousd

Spilt_Milk

TitillatedOcelot

Gordraf

Risky+Safety

dowingba

dowingba

Either that was paid off, or the people that made that decison were nearly retarded.

Fett Fetterson

Twenty5

werk

zealousd

Man, that sounds so freaking fake..... i tried to not be bias and read this carefully but.....

Twenty5

I guess this is actually a joke.

Waka in Japan