Bloody hell... Recommending 8-10MB over here in the UK for anything would be massive fail. I can get 8 here in London (which would go up to 12 if we upgraded it for extra cash), but at "home" home, the maximum we can get is 4 downstream, of which we only get a maximum of two by my estimates. It's the same story for most of the country.
Although, I must say that a 955kbps downstream by today's standards is slooooow... I can't remember, are you US or AUS? #dashboardupdate
Stephen, I think the failure was to be expected given that you are using Wi-Fi to connect to the Internet. As far as I understand, you need to the network 'N' adapter to be able to stream 1080p over Wi-Fi, which I assume you don't have (or do you?). #dashboardupdate
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Or, you need to buffer in something bigger than the available ram, such as a hdd. Or have more compression than your usual processors can handle.
Incidentally, I've been streaming HD video to my high fidelity EeePC for a while now, so I can watch anime in my working room. Give me a medal. #dashboardupdate
@Dobostar: The only geographic restriction I see about the Zune Marketplace in my explainer e-mail from Microsoft is that the content you buy will be transferable across a Zune, 360 and PC in the U.S. only. Features such as the streaming appear to be slated for America as well as outside of the U.S. #dashboardupdate
@Dobostar: It has to exist outside the US, at least partially. The current Video Marketplace on XBL is available outside the US, so why would they replace it with something that can only be accessed from within the US? That'd be kinda stupid.
Though, renaming it the *Zune* marketplace won't make much sense outside the US since you can't buy Zune's anywhere but America... #dashboardupdate
@funcmode: That's kinda what I was getting at, didn't realise they were re-naming the Video Marketplace to Zune, which as you say seems pointless as you can't get Zune's outside of the US. #dashboardupdate
Totilo, theres this magical device called a Tripod, you can pick up cheap ones for like $20. please please buy one :D
What is your net speed btw? That would be useful for folks wanting to guage if they can run the HD streaming.
Kinda sucks you couldn't test it, a quality check would be nice. #dashboardupdate
@deanbmmv: @deanbmmv: Hey. I should have included the speeds right away, but did just add them in an update. Slow, slow, slow. Just under 1 mbps downstream. Microsoft recommends 8-10mbps. #dashboardupdate
@Stephen Totilo: 8-10mbps? Thats prohibitively high. I'm not sure of US net speed averages, but I do know you guys have it pretty bad (and what net you have of good speed is horrendously expensive)
And yeah your net is pretty slow, that's worse than my mums and I hate using net at her house, to the stage I'm debating using m.kotkau.com sometimes :P #dashboardupdate
@deanbmmv: I've got 12 mbps dependably for $50 a month. Not too terrible. Though I'll admit that access to those kind of speeds depends on which of the evil corporations has tricked your local government into letting them set up a little fiefdom. #dashboardupdate
@litrock: I got the cheap tier 10mbps for £16($26)
The expensive 50mbps is £33($54) And their trailing 100mbps, but don't know the price yet.
As I said, US net is horrendously expensive. #dashboardupdate
@deanbmmv: Oh, I know. But that kind of price isn't out of someone's range. I'd loooove to have your speeds, but the chances of that happening in the US anytime in the next decade without some sort of miracle are zero to none. #dashboardupdate
@deanbmmv: I'm paying about $35 dollars for my DSL avg 3250/4100 kbps upload 680-810 kbps through Qwest.
We also have Charter but there's no guarantee that I would get higher speed then what I already got with their 5/7 mbps service since the main server or junction is far away. Plus most of my friends have a lot of down time and or slower connection than me on peak hours.
I pray that fiber optics comes to our area but all the providers in our area are too cheap to replace the really old lines in our town. #dashboardupdate
Sucks that it didn't work. I never really expected much out of that feature or Video Marketplace as a whole. I'm on wireless myself (I have my desktop downstairs adjacent to my room) and Netflix usually has 3 or 4 bars; even while I'm downloading from Steam or grabbing torrents.
Not to mention I have a cruddy Netgear router too :P #dashboardupdate
Perhaps this service will suck for everyone but maybe it won't. Knowing that you have a terrible connection, you should not have written a headline that makes it look like the service failed you.
@kNZA: Getting set up in an ideal situation isn't a fair test either.
I'd argue that testing the ability for the service to work using a standard cable modem, wifi, and the XBox's wifi adapter from a separate room is the best test to get real world results.
Anything else and you are not providing feedback that is useful to most of your readers.
Very few (if any) of us game at a desk with an ethernet connection hooked into an business level ISP.
A lot more us have modems sitting with the PC in the office/study/whatever and our XBox running wirelessly from the TV/living room. #dashboardupdate
I don't think wireless is the issue here because I can move several hundred K/s on wireless and I don't even have N.
I think his connection sucks (he can't even use matchmaking in Halo 3).
I think the headline should reflect this ("What didn't work FOR ME")...something like that.
For all I know, nobody except the $100/mo ultra-internet types can use instant streaming.
Totilo has a sub-standard internet connection. He has no business giving the impression that these results are not connected to his particular situation! #dashboardupdate
@kNZA: Of course if he had the fastest of internet valuable to him and running Wireless N then you'd be just as up in arms complaining its hardly a fair test as not everyone will have the luxury of that.
Totilos connection isn't great, which I wager many people will not have the greatest connection, so its a fair warning - get the best net you can or this service will be locked out from you. #dashboardupdate
@kNZA: Thanks for y0ur and everyone else's feedback, useful, colorful and otherwise. I updated the headline to make it more clunky but less enraging. I explain repeatedly in the post and the video as to the context of this trial. Other services mentioned in the article weren't available in the preview. Hence them not working either. #dashboardupdate
Looks good to me. Nice to see the Zune branding as well, so now I can grab them on my PC and toss it on my Zune HD as well.
And I'm assuming TV shows I've purchased on the Zune Marketplace already will be available to me through this? (Even though I can just stream them from my PC to my 360, it seems like a logical feature to have.) #dashboardupdate
Done, I had a little trouble with finding some of the stuff it asks you to fill out but I finally did it, I wonder why this time it asks for so much more than the usual.
@HELLSRIDER is doing stuff: Zune = streaming 1080p movies. They want to know if you're using an SDTV, HD ready TV or Full HDTV (if the majority of folks use less than Full HD, they should offer lower res. streaming with matching prices IMO). How you connect your 360 to your TV (a.k.a. if you take advantage of an HD connection on an HDTV) and whether your internet connection is suitable for such streaming.
It all makes perfect sense, except the TV model number. I have an older 32" SDTV which I can't just move about to read the label on the back, so I ended up entering "don't know".
The good news was the speedtest results: over 75mbit/s down and over 46mbit/s up.
Jesus, it's not even worth getting up and looking at the serial number. The update's going to be there next time I cut my 360 on (likely not until next year, if even that soon). No rush...
@serotoninzero: I'm not trying to bait or anything, but honestly, with Uncharted 2, I'm set for a while... and by next year I hope to own Wii Fit Plus, Bioshock 2, Tony Hawk Ride & possibly Arkham Asylum. All of these I plan to play on my PS3 (or Wii, obviously, with the first title), and I just feel more comfortable buying them for that system. I've had to send my 360 in multiple times for a replacement, and even the one I use now (I don't know, maybe my 3rd or 4th replacement at this point) acts up. The disc drive gets stuck for no reason, trapping my discs. Not to mention I have to install every game fully just to minimize the headache-inducing jet engine fan and *crangggggg* disc noises.
So, yeah, I originally thought the Facebook & Twitter integration on 360 would be a neat feature, but if I'm not going to be legitimately using the 360 until next year, regularly, then I have no need to test the services. Best to leave it to people who actually will. No offense to Twit or Face, because I use both :)
@Dandikus: Could be your model, I dunno. I have the white style (They have so many models now, I have no idea what it's called anymore) with a separately bought 120 GB HD. You may have an elite.
I don't even use my 360 in what I'd consider heavy gaming. It just so happened that every time I went to use it for gaming, whaddya know, a pretty red ring.
@MCWHAMMER: I have a 60GB pro. Sometimes its just the area you keep it in. Even the TV can affect it. Microwaves (or something :P) from the TV or electronics nearby can screw with other electronics. When I have my iPod connected to my xbox and speakers at the same time the speakers buzz. Or if the iPod is on top of the TV not hooked into the xbox and a certain colour is on the TV the speakers will buzz and the TV will go fuzzy. It doesn't do anything to my xbox but I'm sure you get the point. Try moving your xbox further away from your TV and keep it laying flat instead of standing up also.
Ok, dumb question but Microsoft doesn't clarify this anywhere - what the hell is a Windows Live ID? Is it your email associated with your gamertag? Is it the name displayed in "Welcome (name)" when you sign in to the Microsoft connect site?
@hibikir: You know sadly, i'm thinking the same thing. I'm sure the features will be great for someone but i'm personally not really interested in them.
Now if they had said improvements to the dashboard, like quicker loading speed and so on, i'd be right on board.
@hibikir: Would people seriously stop complaining about Microsoft giving us these free updates? You wanna know something crazy? I'm actually excited about this.
*Fruit hurled at stage*
Yeah, I know, I guess I'm a horrible person for thinking that Microsoft giving my console extra features that I don't have to pay a dime for may not be a bad thing. I do understand that making you have gold for this may be annoying, but I don't see how you DON'T have gold already anyways.....the 360 pretty much revolves around the service.
@CapitalJigga: It's clickier than I'd like, but it's great and fits well inside the controller. I rarely have my headphone on, so it's nice to be able to respond to messages without having to get up and play recording session with a microphone.
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Although, I must say that a 955kbps downstream by today's standards is slooooow... I can't remember, are you US or AUS? #dashboardupdate
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Or, you need to buffer in something bigger than the available ram, such as a hdd. Or have more compression than your usual processors can handle.
Incidentally, I've been streaming HD video to my high fidelity EeePC for a while now, so I can watch anime in my working room. Give me a medal. #dashboardupdate
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Though, renaming it the *Zune* marketplace won't make much sense outside the US since you can't buy Zune's anywhere but America... #dashboardupdate
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What is your net speed btw? That would be useful for folks wanting to guage if they can run the HD streaming.
Kinda sucks you couldn't test it, a quality check would be nice. #dashboardupdate
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And yeah your net is pretty slow, that's worse than my mums and I hate using net at her house, to the stage I'm debating using m.kotkau.com sometimes :P #dashboardupdate
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The expensive 50mbps is £33($54) And their trailing 100mbps, but don't know the price yet.
As I said, US net is horrendously expensive. #dashboardupdate
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At the price of $20 USD! D:
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We also have Charter but there's no guarantee that I would get higher speed then what I already got with their 5/7 mbps service since the main server or junction is far away. Plus most of my friends have a lot of down time and or slower connection than me on peak hours.
I pray that fiber optics comes to our area but all the providers in our area are too cheap to replace the really old lines in our town. #dashboardupdate
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Not to mention I have a cruddy Netgear router too :P #dashboardupdate
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You should NOT have run this article!
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You should not have run that headline!
Perhaps this service will suck for everyone but maybe it won't. Knowing that you have a terrible connection, you should not have written a headline that makes it look like the service failed you.
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I'd argue that testing the ability for the service to work using a standard cable modem, wifi, and the XBox's wifi adapter from a separate room is the best test to get real world results.
Anything else and you are not providing feedback that is useful to most of your readers.
Very few (if any) of us game at a desk with an ethernet connection hooked into an business level ISP.
A lot more us have modems sitting with the PC in the office/study/whatever and our XBox running wirelessly from the TV/living room. #dashboardupdate
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I don't think wireless is the issue here because I can move several hundred K/s on wireless and I don't even have N.
I think his connection sucks (he can't even use matchmaking in Halo 3).
I think the headline should reflect this ("What didn't work FOR ME")...something like that.
For all I know, nobody except the $100/mo ultra-internet types can use instant streaming.
Totilo has a sub-standard internet connection. He has no business giving the impression that these results are not connected to his particular situation! #dashboardupdate
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Totilos connection isn't great, which I wager many people will not have the greatest connection, so its a fair warning - get the best net you can or this service will be locked out from you. #dashboardupdate
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Sorry if I poked or singed you with my pitchfork and torch!
I guess I forgot to mention that I felt the article was fair but that the headline was misleading.
Let's all hold e-hands and sing for Stephen hath fixed it all!!! #dashboardupdate
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You are right to suggest that using the latest and greatest isn't a fair reviewing practice either.
I think that most people's connections can allow matchmaking to work but maybe I'm being naive.
I got the impression that Mr. Totilo's setup may be a bit sub-par... #dashboardupdate
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And I'm assuming TV shows I've purchased on the Zune Marketplace already will be available to me through this? (Even though I can just stream them from my PC to my 360, it seems like a logical feature to have.) #dashboardupdate
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It all makes perfect sense, except the TV model number. I have an older 32" SDTV which I can't just move about to read the label on the back, so I ended up entering "don't know".
The good news was the speedtest results: over 75mbit/s down and over 46mbit/s up.
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So, yeah, I originally thought the Facebook & Twitter integration on 360 would be a neat feature, but if I'm not going to be legitimately using the 360 until next year, regularly, then I have no need to test the services. Best to leave it to people who actually will. No offense to Twit or Face, because I use both :)
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I don't even use my 360 in what I'd consider heavy gaming. It just so happened that every time I went to use it for gaming, whaddya know, a pretty red ring.
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Now if they had said improvements to the dashboard, like quicker loading speed and so on, i'd be right on board.
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*Fruit hurled at stage*
Yeah, I know, I guess I'm a horrible person for thinking that Microsoft giving my console extra features that I don't have to pay a dime for may not be a bad thing. I do understand that making you have gold for this may be annoying, but I don't see how you DON'T have gold already anyways.....the 360 pretty much revolves around the service.
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I leave messages for friend all the time now.
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