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Any branching storylines at all in this game? #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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And just many other unnecessary words, and damn and hell, which make Steve Austin and The Rock cry. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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People like wrestling for the same reason people like the circus; it's a display of acrobatic and, in many cases, improvisation skills. The soap opera bit exists for the same reason there are storylines in fighting games, and that is to give them a reason to be fighting. On rare occasions, just as with fighting games, the story can actually be good, and excellently complements the physical display.
So, the next time you think about wrestling as dumb, ask yourself if you've ever enjoyed a fighting game, an action movie, or any contact sport, and try to think of wrestling as being in the same vein, because it is.
As an aside, thinking that wrestling is "gay" just demeans you. Stop it. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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And if you don't like any of them, guess what? You can make anyone you damn well could ever possibly want. The CAW system in this game is, without a doubt, the most realistic and advanced one yet (although the points system does give a few limitations that need to be worked around in the clothing area), enabling you (or a faceless online entity, if you're not that skilled or creative to do so) to make any of those people you miss from No Mercy or Wrestlemania 2000, just with gameplay that feels far less sluggish and dated. In fact, you can create those people and then also create your own storylines so that the No Mercy, Wrestlemania 2000, WCW / NWO Revenge, and Smackdown! can finally be involved in real storylines rather than "The Rock has arrived at the arena.", with him then not being mentioned for the rest of the show. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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Wrestling is obviously not a competitive sport, it is a co-op performance. Being "good" at pro wrestling is all about being able to perform and receive moves that appear to cause injury without actually injuring anyone or yourself.
The point of the game would be reacting to what the other guy was doing so you roll with the punches at the last possible moment and try to put on a convincing and entertaining show that loosely followed the script that was given to you.
Imagine a game where you start out as a no name chump who's job it is to get convincingly beat up by one of the stars. Later you might choose to be a "heel" or a "body" or whatever. If you accidentally hurt a star by performing a move wrong you might get demoted down and whatnot.
Would that be at all fun? Or is actually being a pro wrestler such a shit job that no one would ever bother to do it virtually? #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
Heck, that could be a whole thing in itself...can you actually get a character over as either a heel or face? To the point where you're getting "cheered" as a heel (as Orton often does) or screw up bad enough to be soundly boo'd (Cena) #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
There was something kinda-sorta like that in an older FirePro game for the GBA...unfortunately it was only in Japan, when they ported it over here that mode of the game was stripped out because they didn't want to put the money into translating everything. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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And obviously, you'd have a tough time getting the WWE to allow their wrestlers to break kayfabe to that degree in a game so you'd probably have to use original characters.
But it seems a truly great wrestling game should ideally have two modes: say, "Audience" and "Dressing Room" where one is what the audience perceives (where the players are actually fighting) and the other where the wrestlers work to safely and precisely put on a show for the crowd.
It would be sort of ironic in that the mode where the players are actually fighting, the story would be fake (like the game Stephen just reviewed). While the mode with the pretend fighting could actually have a real story. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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Im just glad you said that, I tend not to respect anyone who actually thinks its a real sport or competition. What it really is is just a hick soap opera and its filled with actors who are trained to do what they do without actually hurting anyone, I mean, if you seriously did a real pile driver on someone you would break their neck. As long as people realize and accept it for what it really is, then its all fine and dandy, but if not then I have to wonder about their critical thinking abilities. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
Wrestling is so much more than a soap opera. Sure there are some crazy storylines, but then there are times like Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels when it's just two veterans going at it for no reason other than they're the best. Watch their match from WrestleMania XXV and you'll see how wrestling is so much more than a soap opera. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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Uhh... Like this? (And to say nothing of the fate of the other guy...)
It may not be a real competition, but it takes far more athletic talent and skill than many actual real "sports". Things also go wrong from time to time. Most importantly, just because they do the moves in the "safest" way and generally do protect each other as much as possible, doesn't mean nothing they do hurts each other. Whether you know the proper way to take a chairshot or not, you're still getting hit with solid metal, on the head or back, hard enough for it to be heard in an arena of thousands of screaming fans. Soap opera actors don't take chairshots to the face. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
When selecting your character press LB/RB and cycle through - it shows your finisher and the position in which your opponent needs to be in there. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
There still are problems, however, especially in Road To Wrestlemania or during matches in downloaded stories, since you don't get to see that screen at all. It's especially problematic in any created story that's actually designed like a show, featuring many different wrestlers instead of focusing on just one for you to play. It also doesn't show you the signature move situations, unfortunately. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
HELL no. While it's too bad the development window is so large that the rosters are usually finalized right after Wrestelmania (April-ish), the shitstorm that would commence if updates were put out there that REMOVED characters from the roster - especially if they were mandatory ones, which knowing WWE, they would be. WWE is generally pretty ruthless with ex-employees, especially if they go to a competing orginization. What would they give back when Ken Kennedy is removed from the game? A downloadable Sheamus that can be yours for the low, low price of 400 Microsoft Points/$5? No thank you.
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Yukes and the WWE could even include it within the yearly game as a different mode -- "WWE 24/7: The Game," so to speak. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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Given the way that the WWE handels ex-employees having a pool of "free agents" wouldn't be possible they would lock the player from accessing that wrestler and then how would they handle a storyline written for a specific wrestler/gimick? #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
Plus, especially with the inclusion of the storyline creator, many people will just want as many wrestlers as possible, accuracy be damned.
Thankfully, this game lets you customize a ton of stuff. You can pretty much update the brand settings, face / heel, rivalries and alliances, attires, etc, and even the participants in Royal Rumbles and career mode. So it's possibly not the most ideal way for the accuracy-obsessed, but you can still make use of the flexibility of the game to exclude those released from being involved in anything you do in the game. They even have the Free Agent brand for such purposes. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
A management-style WWE game that ALSO included a decent wrestling game alongside it would be amazing. I know we'll probably never get it from WWE, but even a fictional league-based game would interest me. Hell, make it like Blitz: The League and include steroid scandals, etc. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
That's been my most desired feature in these games. Though I haven't played one in 5 years or so. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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And writing ridiculously awful storylines sounds like it would be fun as well. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
Somewhere in between - There's a Road To Wrestlemania brand warfare storyline that is co-op, although it's mostly one player controlling Cena and one being HHH in lots of singles matches, with a handful of tag stuff in between.
No - Career mode is single player only, and in SVR2009, was pretty much only for raising the stats of your CAW and getting the Hall Of Fame achievement. Now that you can raise CAW stats outside of it, career mode is pretty pointless, being just a series of 5 matches to win each belt, completely devoid of story or anything interesting.
Yes / Somewhere in between again - With the new Create A Story, you can script out up to 10 years, 500 scenes / matches (On the 360. Only 50 on the ps3 for some reason), or 10 uses of CAWs (Whichever comes first. Spread it out into "episodes" if you need more.) and create your own career mode for anywhere from 1 to 6 players. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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TNA or WWE? #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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I kept meaning to buy tickets for the UK tour of TNA but I dipped out last minute. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
WSX is, clearly, the correct answer. ;) #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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Now TNA has great wrestling talent all over the roster. They've also got tons of great characters. They've got all the pieces to easily surpass the WWE. The problem is that, rather than assembling them into a beautiful, colorful, amazing picture, they drool all over them, wrap them up as a giant tape ball, and accidentally set them on fire. Half of the time, their booking makes no sense, and half of the other half, it not only makes no sense, but is infuriatingly stupid (Publicly admitting in an angle that you have been completely wasting the talents of your...arguably... most talented tag team and not using them just for the hell of it is generally not the smartest way to go about crafting good programming).
At least the WWE is just consistently mediocre with occasional flashes of awesome. TNA's just depressing in the awesomeness potential that goes to waste as a result of booking that's consistently bad. #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
11/02/09
God damn that Story editor sounds awesome! Can't wait to make a Cena and Edge storyline to put in that fantastic line from their feud where Edge goes to Cena's fathers house and sees a pair of Cena's wrestling boots and quips "What does Cena need wrestling boots for? He can't wrestle!" #wwesmackdownvsraw2010
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