Call me bitter and an ass, but I don't believe a single word Yoshinori Kitase said.
I'll be tad surprised if Vs is even released at 2011 for PS3 as well as for the Xbox 360.
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@pandafresh: I'll quote you on that. The idealization of a 3rd party exclusive is all but dead this generation. Especially for Square who seem to have forgotten all about the PS3.
@(Zombie) Goldwings: That's why they made it partially, for the PS3.Also, the reason FF13 jumped is because it was barely started. VS has been in development for a while.
@(Zombie) Goldwings: I think your bitterness is a bit off. They had mentioned that VS was delayed because so many team members were shifted. Plus in reality does it matter? 3rd party devs are in it for the money and so long as they don't pump out sub-par or all out garbage games they could port this to the dreamcast for all I care. So far Square has been pretty honest so I don't imagine there will be a there will be a 360 version.
@(Zombie) Goldwings: Yep, Versus will end up on the 360 sooner or later. People seem to forget that Square Enix became a laughingstock in Japan after The Spirits Within lost a them a "bit" of money. If they had the chance to make more money, they'd gladly take it, strings attached and all.
tl;dr: when Square Enix decides they like money AKA when multiplatform FFXIII hits America, they will negotiate a port of Versus with Microsoft.
Squaresoft had to merge with Enix Corp. BECAUSE of "The Spirits Within." Enix replaced all the heads of Squaresoft with its own guys. The CEO of Squaresoft was forced out.
No one was laughing at Square when that movie came out Your use liberal use of "laughing stock" also indicates your own breadth of knowledge in these parts.
Games released in Japan from 2001-2002:
-Final Fantasy 10
-Final Fantasy 11
-Kingdom Hearts
-Final Fantasy X-2
Refuting your actual argument about Sqenix liking money and Versus going to the 360:
The man behind KH1&2 is the man behind Versus13. He is an adamant Sony fan and outright said his game (which is his) will not go anywhere else.
@skins2153: Oh dude. Ya got me. I said "Square Enix" lost money when it was really SquareSoft who hadn't yet merged with Square Enix!
That changes EVERYTHING.
Let's refute this charge by charge:
1. The merger didn't happen because of The Spirits Within. Quite the opposite. It almost DIDN'T happen because of The Spirits Within.
2. Yes, SquareSoft had become a joke in the Japanese corporate world after they lost nearly 100 million USD on their Hollywood movie venture.
3. Games released in Japan 2001-2002: I can't refute this. I don't know why you included it, though.
4. Tetsuya Nomura may be producing the game, but management will take his protests under advisement in the event that they want to sell FFXIII Versus multiplatform in America for more money. This is speculation, but mine is at least grounded in reality. I mean, FFXIII is multiplatform, right?
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@mintycrys is HOT for Bayonetta: Your arguments are irrefutable. Final Fantasy Versus XIII will obviously be ported to the 360, just as Metal Gear Solid 4 was.
Even if they were finished both for a Japanese Decemder 2009 release, they wouldn't release them at the same time, because they wouldn't get nearly the same amount of sales compared to if they released them 6 -12 months seperately, so no matter what, you wouldn't have been seeing Versus for at least 6 months after Final Fantasy XIII is released.
How is it going when faster when FFXIII is coming out this year (in Japan at least), and yet we haven't even seen any actual gameplay footage of Versus?
@Nexas: Because Square's trying not to take hype away from XIII by showing off Versus too. They'll show off Versus gameplay when XIII is released, or about to release.
@Nexas: Easy, if this game used the same engine XIII, then all they need to do is add the content.
Sorta like if you were to build a guitar from scratch, lets say, and for the first one you ever built, you would need to buy all the equipment then figure out how to work all of it. After the first one is done, then building a 2nd would be quicker because you've already have the tools and he experience. You've made your mistakes on it already, and know how not to make them anymore.
If the guitar is the game and the tools are the game engine, then this would be a quicker process, even if you are doing some things differently, the basics, and framework of the game is ready to go.
This is the first Final Fantasy game I'm actually excited about. I usually don't like Final Fantasy, I've seen friends play it and never have been too interested (12 looks decent though), but this one just has me exited. And wanting a PS3.
@Blastarr: The rumor that I've been hearing is that Nomura's going to reveal stuff about the game that will "blow people's minds".
I don't think the announcement of a 360 port would do that at this point, considering Square's treated PS3 fans like shit since day one of this generation.
The only thing that'll blow our minds at this point is a full-on gameplay reveal.
In the three and a half years since the PS3's launch, they've put out two downloadable titles, both ports. That's it. That qualifies as "like shit" to me.
@Blastarr: Not that I care for vs XIII on Xbox, but XIII on Xbox did not delay any releases. Its already been stated that the Xbox version was being ported during localization and even the PS3 debug. All versions are expected to be completed very close to each other.
@Archaotic: I'm inclined to agree with you. I bought my PS3 in part because I was expecting some love from SE. Not exactly feeling it. Good thing other companies are picking the slack...
Can't wait for this game. One of my most wanted games of this gen, period, and the final nail in the coffin that caused me to buy a PS3 in the first place.
Hoping to see it before too long, but I'm not holding my breath. I hear we'll finally see the battle system in action at TGS!
@Archaotic: Can't wait either but fuck its gonna take its time.
But man thats a morbid way of thinking, you could have said the final ray of sunshine :P
This game is so damn emo looking. It makes we want to cry my black tears, in my black room, while I write my black poetry, on my black paper, using my black pen in the dark.
Noctis reminds me of Sasuke, this guy looks much more badass, but I suppose badass in my eyes is completely different from badass in someone else's eyes, it's all subjective.
Don't get me wrong though, he's deffinetly better than another bald space marine.
@excel_excel: 3 years + 1 year for typical delays + 6-8 months localization + another 3-4 months for good measure. This is Square Enix we're talking about.
The Last Remnant got my hopes up after coming off Persona 4. While admittedly 'light' M's, Persona 4 and Atlus games in general still put it to good use. So the thought of an M rated Square game got me all excited.
@excel_excel:
I will be satisfied if theres even swearing, all I'm anticipating is blood, not even gore. But gore in a Final Fantasy would be a little unsettling. One step at a time. If they do use swearing I hope it is done tastefully though. I don't want to be hearing #u()<
and $#^+ just for the hell of it. I know this shouldn't even be a fear, because square doesn't do anything half ass...erm anything final fantasy half ass.
Well considering Birth by Sleep seems to have a Decemberish release date in Japan and that means it's in QA and localizations phase I guess (I remember reading somewhere that SE have a very long QA process), so that means they're probably working more on this one now. Guess Japan might see a mid to late 2010 release and we'll see it late 2010 to mid 2011 (if it's all on schedule).
Loads of maybes there. I guess that also means those waiting for KH3 should prolly wait till 2012/13. Considering it's all the same team.
Wonder where Third Birthday and Agito fit in all these (diff dev teams for them I think).
@WhatTheFrag: Agito is supposed to be the final FFXIII game released. We won't see it until after Versus, most likely, unless Square is really out of money in late 2010 or early 2011 and needs a strong-selling PSP game to make some quick cash.
@Archaotic: Thanks for letting me know. Jeez yeah it looks like it'll be a long time before that comes out in that case. Birth by sleep and FF XIII should definitely help for a stronger second half of the fiscal year.
I guess this will be one crazy fiscal year for them.
I wish developers wouldn't announce games more than 3 years out. I used to be very excited for 13 and Versus but now every time I see more news or press releases for these games I just got "meh."
@Adhominem: Yeah I'm the same way. I know I'll buy both day 1 the second they become available, but it's hard to get excited for something when you know it's still several years away from release before the inevitable delays start to hit. Whenever people bring up FFXIII I usually just go "Meh, I'll get it when it comes out." Whereas before I was all "ZOMFG EFFING FFXIII OH DAMN HELLS YES!"
If there's one thing every dev should learn from Square this gen, it's that proper time management is key, especially when hyping a big budget blockbuster title. Square should be absolutely embarrassed with the way they've handled their time and PR for FFXIII.
@Slagathorian: It was, but other games were announced with trailers a lot later and came out eariler. But its MGS so its not as if its any different that FF with delays
I hope it comes out by the end of 2010, if not, early 2011.
And I sincerely hope it doesn't get ported multi-platform to the 360. No offense to the platform, I just don't want any more delays or concerns to be involved with making the development process even LONGER because they'd have to concentrate on more than one platform once again.
@jamesjohnson01: It's good that you don't want delays, because there haven't been any on the PS3 side. The 360 port is being handled by people who have nothing to do with the development of the game. It's a non-issue.
Besides Versus development is moving along just fine, for all we know.
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I'll be tad surprised if Vs is even released at 2011 for PS3 as well as for the Xbox 360.
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tl;dr: when Square Enix decides they like money AKA when multiplatform FFXIII hits America, they will negotiate a port of Versus with Microsoft.
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Squaresoft had to merge with Enix Corp. BECAUSE of "The Spirits Within." Enix replaced all the heads of Squaresoft with its own guys. The CEO of Squaresoft was forced out.
No one was laughing at Square when that movie came out Your use liberal use of "laughing stock" also indicates your own breadth of knowledge in these parts.
Games released in Japan from 2001-2002:
-Final Fantasy 10
-Final Fantasy 11
-Kingdom Hearts
-Final Fantasy X-2
Refuting your actual argument about Sqenix liking money and Versus going to the 360:
The man behind KH1&2 is the man behind Versus13. He is an adamant Sony fan and outright said his game (which is his) will not go anywhere else.
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That changes EVERYTHING.
Let's refute this charge by charge:
1. The merger didn't happen because of The Spirits Within. Quite the opposite. It almost DIDN'T happen because of The Spirits Within.
2. Yes, SquareSoft had become a joke in the Japanese corporate world after they lost nearly 100 million USD on their Hollywood movie venture.
3. Games released in Japan 2001-2002: I can't refute this. I don't know why you included it, though.
4. Tetsuya Nomura may be producing the game, but management will take his protests under advisement in the event that they want to sell FFXIII Versus multiplatform in America for more money. This is speculation, but mine is at least grounded in reality. I mean, FFXIII is multiplatform, right?
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Sorta like if you were to build a guitar from scratch, lets say, and for the first one you ever built, you would need to buy all the equipment then figure out how to work all of it. After the first one is done, then building a 2nd would be quicker because you've already have the tools and he experience. You've made your mistakes on it already, and know how not to make them anymore.
If the guitar is the game and the tools are the game engine, then this would be a quicker process, even if you are doing some things differently, the basics, and framework of the game is ready to go.
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Not because i hate MS, but because then we would have to wait even longer (assuming they do what they did for XIII).
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I don't think the announcement of a 360 port would do that at this point, considering Square's treated PS3 fans like shit since day one of this generation.
The only thing that'll blow our minds at this point is a full-on gameplay reveal.
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At least you PS3 owners get games. Back in my day, we Nintendo 64 owners got NOTHING.
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In the three and a half years since the PS3's launch, they've put out two downloadable titles, both ports. That's it. That qualifies as "like shit" to me.
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After a few years of nothing, I think even a few in-game screenshots would qualify as mind-blowing.
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Hoping to see it before too long, but I'm not holding my breath. I hear we'll finally see the battle system in action at TGS!
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But man thats a morbid way of thinking, you could have said the final ray of sunshine :P
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@Zallin: I have to admit I laughed.
Noctis reminds me of Sasuke, this guy looks much more badass, but I suppose badass in my eyes is completely different from badass in someone else's eyes, it's all subjective.
Don't get me wrong though, he's deffinetly better than another bald space marine.
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I hope the M rating leads to more than just swearing and blood and really delves into some darker terroritory.
now to wait 3 years
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Let's pray, shall we?
The Last Remnant got my hopes up after coming off Persona 4. While admittedly 'light' M's, Persona 4 and Atlus games in general still put it to good use. So the thought of an M rated Square game got me all excited.
Hopefully we won't be burned again.
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I will be satisfied if theres even swearing, all I'm anticipating is blood, not even gore. But gore in a Final Fantasy would be a little unsettling. One step at a time. If they do use swearing I hope it is done tastefully though. I don't want to be hearing #u()<
and $#^+ just for the hell of it. I know this shouldn't even be a fear, because square doesn't do anything half ass...erm anything final fantasy half ass.
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Loads of maybes there. I guess that also means those waiting for KH3 should prolly wait till 2012/13. Considering it's all the same team.
Wonder where Third Birthday and Agito fit in all these (diff dev teams for them I think).
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I guess this will be one crazy fiscal year for them.
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If there's one thing every dev should learn from Square this gen, it's that proper time management is key, especially when hyping a big budget blockbuster title. Square should be absolutely embarrassed with the way they've handled their time and PR for FFXIII.
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But hey, whatever gets this game out the door sooner.
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I might as well tell people I'm retiring as well.
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Tentatively titled "The Final Fantasy", of course.
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I hope it comes out by the end of 2010, if not, early 2011.
And I sincerely hope it doesn't get ported multi-platform to the 360. No offense to the platform, I just don't want any more delays or concerns to be involved with making the development process even LONGER because they'd have to concentrate on more than one platform once again.
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Besides Versus development is moving along just fine, for all we know.
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