@melonpans: Yeah, totally. Escapism sucks. I mean, only WoW is a form of escapism, other video games are actually parallels of my real life and therefore don't fall into that category. #research
@DraconisXC: Ah, but I haven't lost any friends to other forms of video game escapism. I can still call them up and say "Let's go get some pizza and toss a frisbee around." And we will. And it is awesome.
Can't even call one of the WoW players anymore. If I want to talk to him, I'd have to make a WoW account just to do so. (And yeah, not doing that.) If I catch him when he's not playing WoW, it's always "but I've got a raid planned for tonight" or "I've already got plans to hang out with some friends in Org."
@Wizard: I went on vacation with a friend to Boston. Tons of stuff to do there (not counting Anime Boston which was going on at the time.) Half the time she was in the hotel room playing WoW with her boyfriend.
Warcraft 2 was actually a decent game for fun LAN parties where afterward you'd eat pizza together and talk about who kicked who's butt.
Now it's all obese people talking to their imaginary online friends.
@Wizard: So because you had some friends that play WoW and they became shut-ins, all WoW players must end up as shut-ins? Correlation does not imply causation.
I play WoW. I'm not a shut-in. In the last 4 years that I've played I've traveled to NYC, Austin, Huntsville, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and Hong Kong. I raid, 4 nights a week, and frequently cancel one in order to hang out with friends irl.
Point being, your experience does not define all experiences. I've known people that were more addicted to Counterstrike than most WoW players are addicted to their drug of choice.
@DraconisXC: That's the conclusion you jumped to. I was merely expressing my displeasure at WoW's addiction level and expressing something that happened to me. (And I'm sure it's a tale many can probably relate to.)
It was not meant to claim that ALL WoW players are shut-ins who abandon their friends to chat with friends on WoW all night. Or that WoW is the only game that people will spend hours upon hours playing, dropping everything else in their life.
The other thing that I'm wondering is given our community of Kotakuites, how many do we know are like you, someone who's willing to cancel a raid to hang out with friends in life, and how many do we know are like my friend, who's willing to cancel friends in real life to go raid? (Or even spend the night chatting in Org. Gahhh.)
I'm wondering which group is more common of people we Kotakuites know. (I figure in the grand scheme, people like you are far more common. WoW is not the diehard addiction many of us view it is. But...we're gamers who post on a gaming blog. Our slice of contact is probably a lot more specific.)
@TJH518: Oh I bet. I mean who REALLY needs 5 laptops going at once. If/When I build a sweet setup all I'm gonna have is 1 lappy and a flatscreen. I think that's all the average person needs. And havokjv is right. This IS overkill lol #research
I too wonder how far-reaching 'online game subscription' goes. I can know 6 people who have WoW subscriptions, but I also know about 8 or 9 older people who have subscriptions to game sites like Pogo, which are far from your standard MMO fare. #research
The Census bureau estimates the number of U.S. households roughly 115 Million. That means 16.2 million subscribers.
WoW can't be blamed for more than 5 million at best. WoW draws its numbers form a worldwide audience. Other MMOs do not break 200.000 really, at least in the U.S. alone.
That leaves Xbox Live as the last suspect for generating a large number of subscriptions. Roughly 14 million 360 sold in the U.S. and if you are willing to put the XBL Gold attach rate to roughly 50% , you are almost there. #research
now, does the calculate how many households run multiple game subscriptions? cause those crazy people like me, who have an EQ, EQ2 and City of Heroes subscription might be screwing with the numbers a bit. well, maybe not as much as those guys who 24-box a specific game, but still.
Only about 60% of American homes are connected to the internet... which mean a quarter of all internet connected homes have subscriptions to a MMO...
to be honestly though as impressive as these numbers are what I am really interested is how these statistics stack up against South Korea. They did after all invent the genre with Nexus. And with numbers like 90% of the country being connected with broadband if the same relativity holds up (with it wont since they are crazier about mmo over there) then that did be truly a scary percentage. #research
@(Starman) Starman: What I was thinking is I'd be more surprised to hear that there's enough of a difference between "14% of homes in general" and "14% of homes with the internet" that it had to be distinguished which was being talked about.
The internet is as basic as a refrigerator now. #research
Considering how extreme the Chinese gamers have been about playing wow (gold farming notwithstanding), I think they might actually be doing the right thing, but for the wrong reasons.
WoW is a horribly addicting game - skeletons or not. WoW in china has been especially bad with gamers starving themselves and to the point where there have been "mmo rehab" centers all over the place. Granted, WoW isn't the only contributing cause, but I do think it's one of the biggest. #worldofwarcraft
@Jehuty: Right, so you're arguing the majority should suffer because an extremely small, arguable mentally ill, minority can't handle the game?
People should be allowed to do what they want, with their time. They can live or die with the consequences, at least they get to decide. #worldofwarcraft
@Jehuty: First, I would like to say I don't know what China is like. Never been there. I'm SOMEWHAT educated. I go to college, whatever that counts for. Maybe the reason people in China are so into WoW (I can't even give an estimate of how many are addicted, but I know half of all registered users for WoW are from that region right? I'll work with that) is that it just plain sucks to live there? Just a blind guess, no offense to anyone, I would LOVE to be terribly mistaken.
I mean, I hear kids are learning multiplication tables when they're like 4? I was still learning to wipe my own ass when I was 4 (sometimes still can't do it).
Isn't that the theory we got going on with Japan? Their social structure is so intense a lot of the men are somewhat.. despondent?
I don't know. But I'm thinkin' the issue goes beyond WoW. WoW is just the most attractive, easy, and cheap escape.
Again I swear to God if someone takes offense and calls me a racist uneducated bastard I hope you get mauled by a bear. A bear with swords. And lasers.
Also feel free to tell me what it's like in mainland China! #worldofwarcraft
@WhiteSkyRising: Haha. I can't give you any informed insight, but your whole bears with swords and lasers made me lol. Thanks for that. haha. #worldofwarcraft
@WhiteSkyRising: I'm with Blinkon--your awareness of the foaming-at-the-mouth weeaboos, the swiftness and ludicrousness of their pounces, and the demonstrated glee with which they have performed and will continue to perform said pounces here; coupled with, hell, your bears-wielding-lasers stance against them, makes this a win.
If I had any bears to spare, I would send them to join your army. I've been in Japan for a while now though and I need every blasted bear I can get my hands on to keep the Lucky Star lynch mobs from coming after me. #worldofwarcraft
Hey China. Maybe if your country didnt suck so much and your citizens were actually worth something and could make a life for themselves, they wouldn't need to have fulfilling virtual fake lives in online games. #worldofwarcraft
@ryno365: That's a little over the top, don't you think? Most of us don't like China's gov't because we think they're citizens *are* actually worth something. They're people.
And this issue here isn't that people are looking for life fulfillment in WoW. It's a game. Most people are aware of that. This is just the Chinese gov't wanting control, and more money (read: bribes) #worldofwarcraft
@Hey_Blinkon: Maybe your right. But I just think that these online games are more then games to some people. And if so, I think there are socio-economic reasons for that. #worldofwarcraft
@ryno365:
wow this is one of the most ignorant comments I've seen on kotaku in quite some time. What do you know about China besides what Fox news feeds you? #worldofwarcraft
What on earth is with the random "Fox News" reference? It's not like they deserve to be the scapegoat of all that is wrong with journalism. And what does Fox News have to do with China (never mind the World of Warcraft issue) ? #worldofwarcraft
@dracosummoner: Anytime anyone says anything non-leftist, someone always pulls the "what did you hear that on Fox News?" card. It's so stupid.
Truly narrow minded to think that anyone who disagrees with you has had their thoughts fed to them. It's like the old adage, "Think for yourself!" when they really mean "Think like me!".
But, to answer your question more directly, Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who owns the contracts to both Hu Jintao and Bobby Koticks' souls. #worldofwarcraft
@Hey_Blinkon: I'm sure that's a problem, but I honestly think that the majority of people are like that, which is why there's still so much bigotry on both sides of the ocean right now. :/ #worldofwarcraft
@Leyviur: You're right about the inherent bigotry, but in this case it really *is* about Fox News. It's the scapegoat for all news, because it has an obvious conservative bent. Other news organizations have obvious liberal bents, but they don't catch the flak like them.
Either way, I just hate when people decide to ignore the message for the messenger, even if the message is logical. You know? #worldofwarcraft
@Hey_Blinkon: Hey, I understand completely. And I myself argue with people who think The Daily Show is the 'only source of respectable news.'
Your statement about the message and the messenger is a good one, but I'd like to think the best way to go about things is to do proper research (i.e. read up from different sources, including slanted ones), because then you'll know fully what the long term repercussions or benefits are of the things you are crusading against (or for).
The fact is, no news outlet, no matter how biased, is inherently good or bad. What turns them good or bad (and thus causes the general perception) is that certain people take the information they're fed without considering the implications or the background. Similarly, people who are against these outlets respond in a similar way, which I find ignorant and unfortunate.
So much bigotry and misunderstanding can be dispelled if more people would think for themselves rather than be told what to think and 'go with the flow,' as it were. #worldofwarcraft
It's the most logical thing to do if you are to build up home grown video gaming force. Nothing can rise from the pummelling that WoW would dish to all competition. I bet this has nothing to do with skeletons or violence issues. China is not letting a foreign company drain it's gaming potential revenue. I bet a chinese rip off of WoW x Final Fantasy is being made right now to be released next year. Biggest smoking nation on Earth? Get ready for the biggest MMO community that Blizzard could only dream about. #worldofwarcraft
@FillionSmythe: seems like a pretty smart strategy. it might not be the best one. id prefer a world where everyone has access to information, not just the rich (as in my country) or people in other countries (as it may seem in china).
though while my country doesnt outright outlaw foreign films. we do our best to dissuade people from watching them. we even begin remaking some the year they are released and act like they are new films. we dont want to lose our film industry. and people in my country get mad when they think of losing their job to someone overseas. this seems similar to both of those aspects of my culture imo. #worldofwarcraft
@abort_user:
Yeah it's what Japan has been doing since the beginning of time.
Also back to home grown products China has absolute tons of RPGs. MMO and single player.
This is just until they cook up a totally castrated version of the game that shows absolutely nothing resembling violence or morbidity and kicks you off after 90 minutes of play with a cheery "Give thanks to the party for wisely regulating your time!" message, presumably. #worldofwarcraft
You know what me and some friends just discussed this and we found a very very interesting relation to WoW and these kind of stories...
Why does this stuff only come out when another MMO is stomping a mud hold into WoW. Suspicious I say... Now think about it, When Warhammer released Mila Kunis was talking WoW, WoW, WoW.. Now she doesn't say crap about it (maybe Blizzard stopped paying her). But think about it every month a major MMO releases something like this comes out for WoW.
Look back at the games, Age of Connan, Warhammer, Aion etc. And on each and every month of one of those months some super hot model of a girl comes forth to say she plays WoW. Hate to say it but its way too suspicious, And its not below Blizzard to use such tactics to keep horny males playing WoW. Because Blizzard has paid some stars both male & female in the past to say they played WoW for ads. This is looks to be more of an underground type of advertising mostly done by company evangelist to increase sales/keep users of a product....
I don't really understand the point of this story. Even porn stars have personal lives. Although I disapprove of the practice, and I wouldn't associate with someone like her, if that's how she wants to make a living... who am I to stop her?
11/17/09
I lost a few friends to WoW.
WoW: Not Even Once! #research
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Can't even call one of the WoW players anymore. If I want to talk to him, I'd have to make a WoW account just to do so. (And yeah, not doing that.) If I catch him when he's not playing WoW, it's always "but I've got a raid planned for tonight" or "I've already got plans to hang out with some friends in Org."
...So yeahhh... #research
11/18/09
Warcraft 2 was actually a decent game for fun LAN parties where afterward you'd eat pizza together and talk about who kicked who's butt.
Now it's all obese people talking to their imaginary online friends.
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I play WoW. I'm not a shut-in. In the last 4 years that I've played I've traveled to NYC, Austin, Huntsville, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and Hong Kong. I raid, 4 nights a week, and frequently cancel one in order to hang out with friends irl.
Point being, your experience does not define all experiences. I've known people that were more addicted to Counterstrike than most WoW players are addicted to their drug of choice.
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It was not meant to claim that ALL WoW players are shut-ins who abandon their friends to chat with friends on WoW all night. Or that WoW is the only game that people will spend hours upon hours playing, dropping everything else in their life.
The other thing that I'm wondering is given our community of Kotakuites, how many do we know are like you, someone who's willing to cancel a raid to hang out with friends in life, and how many do we know are like my friend, who's willing to cancel friends in real life to go raid? (Or even spend the night chatting in Org. Gahhh.)
I'm wondering which group is more common of people we Kotakuites know. (I figure in the grand scheme, people like you are far more common. WoW is not the diehard addiction many of us view it is. But...we're gamers who post on a gaming blog. Our slice of contact is probably a lot more specific.)
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WoW can't be blamed for more than 5 million at best. WoW draws its numbers form a worldwide audience. Other MMOs do not break 200.000 really, at least in the U.S. alone.
That leaves Xbox Live as the last suspect for generating a large number of subscriptions. Roughly 14 million 360 sold in the U.S. and if you are willing to put the XBL Gold attach rate to roughly 50% , you are almost there. #research
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Then again, the methodology of the research (publisher reported numbers or actual surveys) is still up in the air, so... #research
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Honestly, if that was true, I'd be much more shocked that 14% aren't connected to the internet. :O #research
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Only about 60% of American homes are connected to the internet... which mean a quarter of all internet connected homes have subscriptions to a MMO...
to be honestly though as impressive as these numbers are what I am really interested is how these statistics stack up against South Korea. They did after all invent the genre with Nexus. And with numbers like 90% of the country being connected with broadband if the same relativity holds up (with it wont since they are crazier about mmo over there) then that did be truly a scary percentage. #research
11/17/09
The internet is as basic as a refrigerator now. #research
11/03/09
WoW is a horribly addicting game - skeletons or not. WoW in china has been especially bad with gamers starving themselves and to the point where there have been "mmo rehab" centers all over the place. Granted, WoW isn't the only contributing cause, but I do think it's one of the biggest. #worldofwarcraft
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People should be allowed to do what they want, with their time. They can live or die with the consequences, at least they get to decide. #worldofwarcraft
11/04/09
I mean, I hear kids are learning multiplication tables when they're like 4? I was still learning to wipe my own ass when I was 4 (sometimes still can't do it).
Isn't that the theory we got going on with Japan? Their social structure is so intense a lot of the men are somewhat.. despondent?
I don't know. But I'm thinkin' the issue goes beyond WoW. WoW is just the most attractive, easy, and cheap escape.
Again I swear to God if someone takes offense and calls me a racist uneducated bastard I hope you get mauled by a bear. A bear with swords. And lasers.
Also feel free to tell me what it's like in mainland China! #worldofwarcraft
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If I had any bears to spare, I would send them to join your army. I've been in Japan for a while now though and I need every blasted bear I can get my hands on to keep the Lucky Star lynch mobs from coming after me. #worldofwarcraft
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And this issue here isn't that people are looking for life fulfillment in WoW. It's a game. Most people are aware of that. This is just the Chinese gov't wanting control, and more money (read: bribes) #worldofwarcraft
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wow this is one of the most ignorant comments I've seen on kotaku in quite some time. What do you know about China besides what Fox news feeds you? #worldofwarcraft
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What on earth is with the random "Fox News" reference? It's not like they deserve to be the scapegoat of all that is wrong with journalism. And what does Fox News have to do with China (never mind the World of Warcraft issue) ? #worldofwarcraft
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Truly narrow minded to think that anyone who disagrees with you has had their thoughts fed to them. It's like the old adage, "Think for yourself!" when they really mean "Think like me!".
But, to answer your question more directly, Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who owns the contracts to both Hu Jintao and Bobby Koticks' souls. #worldofwarcraft
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Either way, I just hate when people decide to ignore the message for the messenger, even if the message is logical. You know? #worldofwarcraft
11/04/09
Your statement about the message and the messenger is a good one, but I'd like to think the best way to go about things is to do proper research (i.e. read up from different sources, including slanted ones), because then you'll know fully what the long term repercussions or benefits are of the things you are crusading against (or for).
The fact is, no news outlet, no matter how biased, is inherently good or bad. What turns them good or bad (and thus causes the general perception) is that certain people take the information they're fed without considering the implications or the background. Similarly, people who are against these outlets respond in a similar way, which I find ignorant and unfortunate.
So much bigotry and misunderstanding can be dispelled if more people would think for themselves rather than be told what to think and 'go with the flow,' as it were. #worldofwarcraft
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though while my country doesnt outright outlaw foreign films. we do our best to dissuade people from watching them. we even begin remaking some the year they are released and act like they are new films. we dont want to lose our film industry. and people in my country get mad when they think of losing their job to someone overseas. this seems similar to both of those aspects of my culture imo. #worldofwarcraft
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Yeah it's what Japan has been doing since the beginning of time.
Also back to home grown products China has absolute tons of RPGs. MMO and single player.
What country are you from? #worldofwarcraft
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Why does this stuff only come out when another MMO is stomping a mud hold into WoW. Suspicious I say... Now think about it, When Warhammer released Mila Kunis was talking WoW, WoW, WoW.. Now she doesn't say crap about it (maybe Blizzard stopped paying her). But think about it every month a major MMO releases something like this comes out for WoW.
Look back at the games, Age of Connan, Warhammer, Aion etc. And on each and every month of one of those months some super hot model of a girl comes forth to say she plays WoW. Hate to say it but its way too suspicious, And its not below Blizzard to use such tactics to keep horny males playing WoW. Because Blizzard has paid some stars both male & female in the past to say they played WoW for ads. This is looks to be more of an underground type of advertising mostly done by company evangelist to increase sales/keep users of a product....
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I think it's just an excuse to show BOOBS (!!!).
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If you think this has no relevance to anything, you fail to realise that Kotaku is the equivalent of a gossip rag for gamers.
...and I love it to bits.