Funny timing here. I was just looking on Metacritic.com for a decent Wii title to play (im bored). I looked at the top 50 of all time and immediately noticed that there were craploads of 2008 titles and a smattering of other years.
@fryerjackets: Alot of us bought one in hopes that it would be a hardcore game system, because it definitely could be. However, it was marketed towards kids and families, so they only make kids and family games for it.
@superduperm: Except for the games that aren't for kids and families. Like World of Goo. And Swords and Soldiers. And Little King's Story. And Dawn of Discovery. And Rune Factory Frontier. And Bit.Trip Beat / Core. And Klonoa. And... do I really need to continue?
@pslong9: Yes, maybe after you name about 350 more, then you can compare it to the PS3/360. I don't care if it has over 100 hardcore games, it's not even half the amount of the 360 or PS3.
@chronomasakari: Why? The score on Metacritic is an 80 (with a 9.1 from the users - why don't those use the same scale?). The two games that came out last generation were both Greatest Hits for all three consoles, and the Saga one that combines them is, once again, a best seller and Greatest Hits title for all of this gen's consoles.
Sales aren't everything, though. The important thing: it's FUN. No, it isn't Halo or Gears of War...but smashing Stormtroopers and droids into little Lego pieces is a blast.
Again, the question: Why is this such a bad thing?
@-Skyline-: @spiderweb1986:
It's a fun game sure, but it's a combination of two last gen games, and it's been out over a year since 2009 even started, and it's on this year's top 5? It sold about proportionally well on the 360 (a little under half the titles pushed relative to a little under half the 360s compared to Wiis) but you won't see that game on the 360's top 5, 10, maybe even 20 games sold this year. I'm not really putting the game down so much as complaining that we need more damn games on the Wii.
I remember in '99 I gave some guy in a record store guff about his buying a Limp Bizkit album and he told me they were way more popular than the Pink Floyd album I was buying. That always stuck with me.
That's funny, because the only two games I bought on my Wii were Wii Play and Smash brawl. I think I bought it... a year and a half ago?
Wii Play got boring in days, like wii sports did. I play smash every few weeks. Nothing released in 2009 interested me, and I'm not a mom so I didn't really like wii fit either.
@zach a mac rack alack: Your joking right? Just smash? There has been no other game to appeal to you? I think thats your own tastes fault rather that the Wii's
@excel_excel: Well I also rented Fire Emblem and Twilight Princess but I didn't like them as much as their prequels (if that's how you would describe them).
Um... other than that I can't think of any games I'd really want to get for it... I'm not into the whole "no story just gameplay" scene so that eliminates a lot of the 'popular' wii games.
@Skyman747
I can appreciate a game but I can't stand 'bad' graphics (if it's not gonna be realistic, might as well do cartoony). For instance, I couldn't stand the Conduit, but that's because I saw it at my friends house on his 51" TV probably (Which is the same size as mine).
@zach a mac rack alack: Yes, your story about how games not targeted at your demographic not entertaining you is quite delightful. If somewhat obvious.
It reminds me of the time I bought myself a collection of "my Little Pony" figurines, as I had seen many young girls faces filled with delight upon recieving, and playing with the very same toys. Assuming that it would do the same to me, and having been in need of a bit of fun I decided the way to maximise my enjoyment would be to buy every single one of them.
I swiftly travelled down to the store in my home built hovercraft and purchased as many as they had available, although the shop clerk informed me that this was indeed not the full collection, after a few more hours of swiftly hovering from store to store purchasing what little ponies I did not yet own I had finally collected as many as was immediately available.
I quickly rushed home in anticipation of being filled with unparalleled joy upon opening all the boxes at the same time, revealing and freeing each one of those little ponies.
Not wanting any others to be able to glimmer such awesome levels of happiness and become jealous, resulting in them killing me in a murderous fit of envy I closed all the doors. Upon opening the boxes, I felt absolutely nothing. This, as you can imagine came as quite a shock to me, I had expected to be filled with joy just like those little girls I saw in the park.
I decided to throw them all outside, and started hurling them out the window, many young girls from the street came rushing to my yard and collecting them as they flew out the window, unknown to me. Upon reaching the many full sized, and surprisingly heavy playsets I moved upstairs to hurl them out of the window. Many of the young girls all scrambling to get the ponies already laying around on my lawn did not look up, and as a result were severely injured by the large playsets which fell down upon them.
As a result I felt even worse, as the annoyance I earlier experienced from not getting the joy I expected from a product not targetted towards me, was replaced with grief from unknowingly concussing 5 young girls, and brain damaging one.
As you can see I feel our stories are eerily similar and felt it best that I share with you in order you had the confidence to further expand upon your own experience in order to begin the healing process.
@zach a mac rack alack: Yeah, I've only bought Wii Play, Brawl, and Twilight Princess. I beat Twilight Princess, and only play brawl when friends come over.
I'd sell my Wii if Brawl wasn't my only local multiplayer console game and my sister didn't enjoy it.
@zach a mac rack alack: No More Heroes has story. Metroid Prime 3 has a story. Punch-Out doesn't need one. What is this whole 'no story just gameplay scene' your talking about? You want a story for Mario Kart? Well then what about Gran Turismo having one?
@excel_excel: You don't need to get so upset about it. Are we going to go through the whole library of Wii games so I can explain why I didn't like every single one of them?
I wasn't referring to just Mario Kart. we all know Wii has lots of shovelware, and most of those are just tech demos in a box. Match that up with the Wii hits - Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports Island I think it's called, those such games don't really appeal to me, which is what I meant.
I'm also not really a "motion control" guy. I'm not looking forward to natal or the sony motion control any more than I do the Wii.
PS It would be interesting if Nintendo actually did more original franchises :(
I'm sorry I don't enjoy all the games you do, we just have different taste. I'm sure you could say the same about the PS3 library or the 360 library or any library that doesn't suit you.
@zach a mac rack alack: Nintendo doing original franchises?? They have been! They released Another Code R, Day in Disaster, Excite Truck, Endless Ocean for the Wii. And guess what you didn't and won't buy them.
Not all games are like Wii sports or Wii play you know. not all games feature predominately excessive motion control either. Sorry for seemingly getting 'upset' but your the one generalising.
@zach a mac rack alack: You do know there are more games out there aside from Nintendo-developed and published games, right? Stuff like Little King's Story (in stores Wednesday), Dawn of Discovery, World of Goo and Swords and Soldiers on WiiWare, Tiger Woods 10, No More Heroes...
Seriously, I have a hard time figuring out how anyone can really say they can't find anything to play on the Wii (or any system for that matter).
@zach a mac rack alack: What convinced you that the Wii was a worthwhile purchase in the first place if you could only think of a handful of games to buy or rent? Personally, I own the systems that I do because I saw enough games I was interested in and then bought the system. Also, if you want games with story, then why is Brawl the only game you play on the Wii?
@excel_excel: I love what little I have seen of Brawls' story, though I have yet to play it myself.
The part where Snake tells Zelda and Peach that two women can have sex with each other and they then proceed to look at each other curiously is priceless.
@excel_excel: The cutscenes in Subspace Emissary were cool, but they felt more like an excuse to have the characters interact than a story. My point was just that no one bought Brawl (or any fighting game) for its story. But here's this guy saying he wants a game with good a story playing it and skipping all of the other Wii games that do have a good story.
"The Wii news can be viewed in positive or negative lights. On the one hand, it suggests that no 2009 Wii offerings — not Punch-Out!, not Boom Blox Bash Party, not Sega's trio of hardcore-oriented originals — could garner top-level sales."
Come on, Stephen. Boom Blox came out at the end of May, and Punch-Out! in June. Given the period the data covers, do you really expect either of those to be anywhere near the top five? EA Sports Active is from that same period, true, but it's also part of the popularity (fad?) of Wii Fit.
Unfortunately, that logic doesn't help Mad World or any of the other new titles that didn't crack the list.
I think calling these Wii titles "evergreen" is a bit misleading. Sure, the games may continue to sell very well, but why exactly are they selling very well?
Wii Play sells because it includes a controller. That's it! I've met several people who've bought the game simply because they see it includes a remote, and think of the game as a free bonus. The game is an afterthought, not the true incentive for a purchase.
Similarly, Wii Fit is viewed as an exercise program. People aren't buying a game, they are buying a method to improve their health, and that's what Wii Fit is well known for. It's not viewed as a game.
That leaves us with Mario Kart Wii and Lego Star Wars. Yes, these are both evergreen games, as well they should be given how well they cater to the general Wii audience. However, 2 evergreen games is not that dominating over 1, especially when you consider that a number of the top selling 360 and PS3 titles are sequels to popular franchises (Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Killzone).
Does the Wii have longetivity? It clearly does. It's just disappointing that the two games that continue to top their charts are barely even seen as games.
@Xenigma: Could it not be said that the game-like elements of Wii Fit are what have attracted a plethora of consumers?
Consider that adults perhaps thought that the peripheral and software made for a solid family-centric experience as opposed to being cordoned off to a demographic.
The youngin's can slalom while mom does yoga. That sort of thinking.
Agh, you can't tease me with that logo when there's still no Pink Floyd on Rock Band. My heart leaped out of my fucking chest there for a second when I loaded up Kotaku and saw the Dark Side of the Moon.
@Strangelove: Yeah I was wondering what that was about.. I'm feeling sleepy on a lazy Monday afternoon, but am I missing something? What's the link with the article?
Interesting, but I don't think the evergreen titles necessarily say anything about how those games are aging, considering that some of them are not that old, nor that they are necessarily being eaten up by the game market or age bracket most of those critics were found in.
@Demonbird: How "evergreen" a game's sales are has nothing to do with the so-called hardcore or their opinions, since they tend to buy things in the first month of launch. Games that continue to sell month in and month out do so simply because they've entered the mainstream (for whatever reason).
However, if, by "game market", you mean "game-buying people"--and not what I have been calling the hardcore--then I think continuing sales show, by definition, that the "game market" is eating up Wii Fit.
@shimage:
You touched on everything but what I was talking about with the demographic. Shame people jump to hardcore/everyone else black and white.
What I'm getting at is the incredibly different demographic the wii hits compared to ps3/360 and how demographic A isn't swayed in their opinions because a totally unique demographic from them digs it.
As seen elsewhere here,
A five year old girl might like my little ponies, and buy loads of them, but that doesn't mean a lick to the older gentlemen who says they are silly.
@Demonbird: I was agreeing with you, sort of. With more specificity. The Wii is different from the other consoles because it has more mainstream titles than its competition. That connoisseurs find mainstream media simplistic is not unique to videogames as a medium.
The aforementioned games may age well in terms of new sales. In my opinion, however, these same games do not age well in terms of re-playability. And that's what I care about.
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I see 2 from 2006 (i know, it came out in sept 2006), and only 9 from 2007. Compared to the 24 titles in 2008 in the top 50.
So i guess, going solely on Metacritic, that 2007 was the weak year, and 2009 looks to be about the same as 2008.
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I still do actually.
Too many people want and expect the wii to be a hardcore game system.
But what on earth is wrong with a system devoted entirely to mario party?
You peeps don't have to play it you know.
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Sales aren't everything, though. The important thing: it's FUN. No, it isn't Halo or Gears of War...but smashing Stormtroopers and droids into little Lego pieces is a blast.
Again, the question: Why is this such a bad thing?
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It's a fun game sure, but it's a combination of two last gen games, and it's been out over a year since 2009 even started, and it's on this year's top 5? It sold about proportionally well on the 360 (a little under half the titles pushed relative to a little under half the 360s compared to Wiis) but you won't see that game on the 360's top 5, 10, maybe even 20 games sold this year. I'm not really putting the game down so much as complaining that we need more damn games on the Wii.
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Wii Play got boring in days, like wii sports did. I play smash every few weeks. Nothing released in 2009 interested me, and I'm not a mom so I didn't really like wii fit either.
Funny how that is.
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Um... other than that I can't think of any games I'd really want to get for it... I'm not into the whole "no story just gameplay" scene so that eliminates a lot of the 'popular' wii games.
@Skyman747
I can appreciate a game but I can't stand 'bad' graphics (if it's not gonna be realistic, might as well do cartoony). For instance, I couldn't stand the Conduit, but that's because I saw it at my friends house on his 51" TV probably (Which is the same size as mine).
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It reminds me of the time I bought myself a collection of "my Little Pony" figurines, as I had seen many young girls faces filled with delight upon recieving, and playing with the very same toys. Assuming that it would do the same to me, and having been in need of a bit of fun I decided the way to maximise my enjoyment would be to buy every single one of them.
I swiftly travelled down to the store in my home built hovercraft and purchased as many as they had available, although the shop clerk informed me that this was indeed not the full collection, after a few more hours of swiftly hovering from store to store purchasing what little ponies I did not yet own I had finally collected as many as was immediately available.
I quickly rushed home in anticipation of being filled with unparalleled joy upon opening all the boxes at the same time, revealing and freeing each one of those little ponies.
Not wanting any others to be able to glimmer such awesome levels of happiness and become jealous, resulting in them killing me in a murderous fit of envy I closed all the doors. Upon opening the boxes, I felt absolutely nothing. This, as you can imagine came as quite a shock to me, I had expected to be filled with joy just like those little girls I saw in the park.
I decided to throw them all outside, and started hurling them out the window, many young girls from the street came rushing to my yard and collecting them as they flew out the window, unknown to me. Upon reaching the many full sized, and surprisingly heavy playsets I moved upstairs to hurl them out of the window. Many of the young girls all scrambling to get the ponies already laying around on my lawn did not look up, and as a result were severely injured by the large playsets which fell down upon them.
As a result I felt even worse, as the annoyance I earlier experienced from not getting the joy I expected from a product not targetted towards me, was replaced with grief from unknowingly concussing 5 young girls, and brain damaging one.
As you can see I feel our stories are eerily similar and felt it best that I share with you in order you had the confidence to further expand upon your own experience in order to begin the healing process.
Do you like to lick batteries?
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I'd sell my Wii if Brawl wasn't my only local multiplayer console game and my sister didn't enjoy it.
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I wasn't referring to just Mario Kart. we all know Wii has lots of shovelware, and most of those are just tech demos in a box. Match that up with the Wii hits - Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Sports Island I think it's called, those such games don't really appeal to me, which is what I meant.
I'm also not really a "motion control" guy. I'm not looking forward to natal or the sony motion control any more than I do the Wii.
PS It would be interesting if Nintendo actually did more original franchises :(
I'm sorry I don't enjoy all the games you do, we just have different taste. I'm sure you could say the same about the PS3 library or the 360 library or any library that doesn't suit you.
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Not all games are like Wii sports or Wii play you know. not all games feature predominately excessive motion control either. Sorry for seemingly getting 'upset' but your the one generalising.
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Curse you for having different tastes on the internetz you heathen!
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Seriously, I have a hard time figuring out how anyone can really say they can't find anything to play on the Wii (or any system for that matter).
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Anyway don't quit your day job...
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Edit: Not to say that I'm not grateful that it's back, because I am, really. Just don't lead me on like this kotaku!
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The part where Snake tells Zelda and Peach that two women can have sex with each other and they then proceed to look at each other curiously is priceless.
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Come on, Stephen. Boom Blox came out at the end of May, and Punch-Out! in June. Given the period the data covers, do you really expect either of those to be anywhere near the top five? EA Sports Active is from that same period, true, but it's also part of the popularity (fad?) of Wii Fit.
Unfortunately, that logic doesn't help Mad World or any of the other new titles that didn't crack the list.
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People may be buying it mostly for the extra controller (I did), but the fact remains that they ARE buying it.
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Wii Play sells because it includes a controller. That's it! I've met several people who've bought the game simply because they see it includes a remote, and think of the game as a free bonus. The game is an afterthought, not the true incentive for a purchase.
Similarly, Wii Fit is viewed as an exercise program. People aren't buying a game, they are buying a method to improve their health, and that's what Wii Fit is well known for. It's not viewed as a game.
That leaves us with Mario Kart Wii and Lego Star Wars. Yes, these are both evergreen games, as well they should be given how well they cater to the general Wii audience. However, 2 evergreen games is not that dominating over 1, especially when you consider that a number of the top selling 360 and PS3 titles are sequels to popular franchises (Resident Evil, Street Fighter, Killzone).
Does the Wii have longetivity? It clearly does. It's just disappointing that the two games that continue to top their charts are barely even seen as games.
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Consider that adults perhaps thought that the peripheral and software made for a solid family-centric experience as opposed to being cordoned off to a demographic.
The youngin's can slalom while mom does yoga. That sort of thinking.
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Same
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However, if, by "game market", you mean "game-buying people"--and not what I have been calling the hardcore--then I think continuing sales show, by definition, that the "game market" is eating up Wii Fit.
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You touched on everything but what I was talking about with the demographic. Shame people jump to hardcore/everyone else black and white.
What I'm getting at is the incredibly different demographic the wii hits compared to ps3/360 and how demographic A isn't swayed in their opinions because a totally unique demographic from them digs it.
As seen elsewhere here,
A five year old girl might like my little ponies, and buy loads of them, but that doesn't mean a lick to the older gentlemen who says they are silly.
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Did you just say, "Abe Lincoln"?
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