So who does the AMC lobby for? Gyms? Fitness Trainers? Because by and large, when Wii Fit 1 launched, most people were like "It's not a cure-all, but it will help" and most of the people screaming "It's evil and does nothing" seem to be lobbyists for some group of folks making huge money off of selling rowing machines or 100 dollar a hour services with a personal trainer.
Shall I expect one of these for Personal Trainer-Walking soon, decrying how that delivers poor results? #wiifit
"And this report has found that even Wii Fit's most physically taxing workouts can't hold a candle to actual exercise."
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The Wii's most taxing workouts ARE actual exercise. Take the pushup to plank exercise. That's crushing. If you can do 20 the first time you try it, you are most certainly in good shape. They're harder than standard pushups which, last I checked, are "actual" exercise. When I started Wii fit, I could do about 30 pushups without stopping. After a month, I was doing 50+.
I'll admit, that Wii Fit is heavily biased towards movements that are more fun than TRULY productive, but I think that's the point of a fitness GAME.
If you want a workout on the Wii, you really should try EA Sports Active. I own it and Wii Fit and It's vastly superior for getting a solid workout, and it's enjoyable too. But get ready to sweat, especially if you set it to the "intense" level. #wiifit
@TOCATL: I totally agree, but if you were to compare the calories burned to playing a real tennis match of boxing match, it obviously wouldn't even be close. I think that's the totally irrelevant point that both Luke and this study are making. #wiifit
@subnet6: I think it's a great point: If you want to work out, go to the gym. Anyone who thinks a video game can get you in shape better than going to the gym can (especially WALKING to the gym) is just blind. #wiifit
@subnet6: Of course, but 30min of play, does make you sweat, at least enough so you stop for 10min to catch your breath again to keep playing... #wiifit
@njd09: No, it's a ridiculous point because it's obvious. The success or failure of a "fitness" GAME does not hinge upon whether or not it's better exercise than the real thing. (Obviously it's not and that's all this story goes to prove)
It hinges upon whether or not the game is fun enough to get you to do more exercise than you would otherwise. If they want to make a study to see if the exergames are successful, they should compare the total calories burned by gamers who play them vs. gamers who don't. I think we can both guess what the results would be. #wiifit
$20 says ridiculously hard games burn more calories.
Every thrown controller, every anguished cry, every victory dance when you finally beat that fucking section that you spent 3 hours relentlessly trying to pass... That's got to add up. #wiifit
Duh?
It'd tone your leg muscles, but you're not even supposed to jump on it...
7-9 foot (?) DDR songs are good cardio though, I can attest to that. I'd play like 10 a day for a while, and I could sprint a block and a half easily, and would just for fun... still, it was pretty much ONLY cardio too. I know of know game that's a whole exercise plan, with possible exception of non-game excercise software. #wiifit
@Atomsk88: Nah, simulating an activity does give you benefits of said activity, which is why they suggest Wii Sports instead. The problem with the "boxing" in Wii Fit is that it's actually very slowly paced. It's not very surprising that it wouldn't do as much as the real thing, considering that it's something around a third the speed. #wiifit
@EolirinX: They suggest Wii Sports for a better workout, but it still doesn't give you the same benefits as the real thing. I mean, the most you're doing in Wii Sports is toning your arms. #wiifit
@Atomsk88: If you want strength training, you've got strength training exercises. All they were measuring was how many calories you burn via the aerobic exercises.
@EolirinX: Look, I'm just saying that you'll get more out of playing an actual game of baseball than swing a plastic remote in Wii Sports baseball. There are activities in Wii Fit that are basically along the lines of following a yoga DVD, but actual sports and outdoor activities are different. #wiifit
@Atomsk88: Depends on the sport, the simulation, and what you're measuring. Some sports are less active than others, and some simulations could quite possibly exceed the amount of calories you'd burn from them (due to say, shorter down time between actions). It's very much down to implementation. #wiifit
@EolirinX: Nah, simulating an activity does give you benefits of said activity
Not always. There are plenty of studies that go into pretty good detail about the debilitation effects of "simulating" physical activities in an effort to garner improvement without the exertion. Such shortcutting often ends in learning an incorrect bio-mechanical movement which leads to poorer performance and can be extremely hard to unlearn and correct. #wiifit
@EolirinX: Take Wii Sports boxing; I may be rapidly moving my arms forward and back, but there's no feedback. In training, you're actually punching something. You may log in hundreds of hours into that one simulated activity, but it's another story to actually throw a punch, and not to mention receive one as well.
@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: The super nice friendly cats are the ones that are loved and cared for in-house, if you leave your cats outside, it's most likely to turn into an ass (like mine were) even if they do turn into "royalty" they still rub against you, as a small thanks for feeding them. Cats are assholes, but they're nice and cute. #shigerumiyamoto
@Mister Jack commands 1000 prinnies!: What, you don't think picking up all the things they knock off of your high furniture would make for engaging gameplay? What about having to give them a water bath when they get themselves covered in wall paint because they knocked over your roller? #shigerumiyamoto
@SacGamer: You're fooling yourself. In reality, the fact that the common pet dog is still able to exhibit a strong pack social behavior, while being able to learn a multitude of tasks, means that as an animal, it has retained much of the intelligence of it's relative, the wolf. Cat's on the other hand, have lost much of the pack ability exhibited in their ancestor animals. Such social cognitive ability is seen as a measure of intellectual superiority.
And I'm not just spouting off BS here, that's coming from my girlfriend who's a certified animal behaviorist. #shigerumiyamoto
@illiniphase4: As a professional show dog handler, I have to counter with:
What really is an exhibit of intellect? The creature who will do whatever you say, or the one who thinks for itself? Pack mentality has no baring on intellect. If anything is shows desperate co-dependence. Wolves may be able to gang up and run down an Elk, but a Leopard can take down an animal of only moderately smaller size by waiting in ambush.
Which of these is really a betterr stratagy? The wolves who work hard for a meal they then have to share, or the Leopard who works less and keeps the whole prize for themselves. #shigerumiyamoto
Cats are generally seen as much more self sufficient than dogs. One could make the same argument that independent behaviour is just a big a sign of intellectual superiority as social ability.
At any rate intellect aside I think that cats make superior pets, at least in terms of maintenance. My cat keeps herself immaculately clean, does her business outside and buries it and even knows when to leave my room in the evening*. Plus yknow Kittens Puppies.
* She has to sleep downstairs in the kitchen/study area at night because otherwise she wakes people up too early whining for her breakfast. #shigerumiyamoto
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Shall I expect one of these for Personal Trainer-Walking soon, decrying how that delivers poor results? #wiifit
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Quoted for making no sense.
The Wii's most taxing workouts ARE actual exercise. Take the pushup to plank exercise. That's crushing. If you can do 20 the first time you try it, you are most certainly in good shape. They're harder than standard pushups which, last I checked, are "actual" exercise. When I started Wii fit, I could do about 30 pushups without stopping. After a month, I was doing 50+.
I'll admit, that Wii Fit is heavily biased towards movements that are more fun than TRULY productive, but I think that's the point of a fitness GAME.
If you want a workout on the Wii, you really should try EA Sports Active. I own it and Wii Fit and It's vastly superior for getting a solid workout, and it's enjoyable too. But get ready to sweat, especially if you set it to the "intense" level. #wiifit
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It hinges upon whether or not the game is fun enough to get you to do more exercise than you would otherwise. If they want to make a study to see if the exergames are successful, they should compare the total calories burned by gamers who play them vs. gamers who don't. I think we can both guess what the results would be. #wiifit
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Every thrown controller, every anguished cry, every victory dance when you finally beat that fucking section that you spent 3 hours relentlessly trying to pass... That's got to add up. #wiifit
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It'd tone your leg muscles, but you're not even supposed to jump on it...
7-9 foot (?) DDR songs are good cardio though, I can attest to that. I'd play like 10 a day for a while, and I could sprint a block and a half easily, and would just for fun... still, it was pretty much ONLY cardio too. I know of know game that's a whole exercise plan, with possible exception of non-game excercise software. #wiifit
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My mind, it has been how you say, oh... blown?! #wiifit
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Toning has nothing to do with it? #wiifit
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Not always. There are plenty of studies that go into pretty good detail about the debilitation effects of "simulating" physical activities in an effort to garner improvement without the exertion. Such shortcutting often ends in learning an incorrect bio-mechanical movement which leads to poorer performance and can be extremely hard to unlearn and correct. #wiifit
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Nintencats!
Use the stylus to...no, don't pet it. It doesn't want to be touched.
Don't bother giving it toys, either. It only wants to play with your shoelaces.
Walks? Are you high?
You can...uh...You can feed it! And don't forget either, or it'll make your life a living hell. #shigerumiyamoto
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But they'd make for an awful game. #shigerumiyamoto
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Ninja cats
It's the way forward. #shigerumiyamoto
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that didn't work...
oh well...i tried.... #shigerumiyamoto
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And I'm not just spouting off BS here, that's coming from my girlfriend who's a certified animal behaviorist. #shigerumiyamoto
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What really is an exhibit of intellect? The creature who will do whatever you say, or the one who thinks for itself? Pack mentality has no baring on intellect. If anything is shows desperate co-dependence. Wolves may be able to gang up and run down an Elk, but a Leopard can take down an animal of only moderately smaller size by waiting in ambush.
Which of these is really a betterr stratagy? The wolves who work hard for a meal they then have to share, or the Leopard who works less and keeps the whole prize for themselves. #shigerumiyamoto
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Social behaviour != intelligence.
Cats are generally seen as much more self sufficient than dogs. One could make the same argument that independent behaviour is just a big a sign of intellectual superiority as social ability.
At any rate intellect aside I think that cats make superior pets, at least in terms of maintenance. My cat keeps herself immaculately clean, does her business outside and buries it and even knows when to leave my room in the evening*. Plus yknow Kittens Puppies.
* She has to sleep downstairs in the kitchen/study area at night because otherwise she wakes people up too early whining for her breakfast. #shigerumiyamoto
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Cats 1 Dogs 0 #shigerumiyamoto
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