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04:43 PM
That small group started you up IW.
That small group run thousands of dedicated servers for your last game IW
That small group still earned you over $30million on your last game
That small group should not be ignored, shat upon, told that these new 'features' are great, lied to, or treat like idiots.
"feature-rich PC game yet." oh like Mouse support text chat n graphic settings?
Just sucks this game will be making most it's cash on console so IW just don't really care at all.
Guess they went to
[www.soul4cash.com] in these harsh economic times.
05:11 PM
IW, a word of advice, just shut the hell up. You've already ruined the experience for PC gamers. No need to try to justify your piss-poor behavior by saying "peh, they're just a couple of dudes anyway. Vocal minority lololol". Just admit that you have terrible public relations and shut up before you piss off more people. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:34 PM
Except now you get to shoot civilians in the face as well. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:29 PM
I predict a cross between Transformers 2, and Demolition Man. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:18 PM
...and I still am. Honestly, I think if anyone has been following the industry with any sort of regularity, it had to be pretty clear that PC gaming would soon become more like console gaming.
The hardcore PC players love to believe in their utopia. Their magical world where their "loyal" developers will never do them wrong, and where they are free to customize their game experience in any way they want.
It's a nice idea to be sure, but there's money to be made. And if there's anything this generation has taught us, it's that publishers (Especially Activision!) will never miss a chance to make money.
Of course, I was never opposed to getting rid of dedicated servers to begin with, so maybe I'm biased. I just think it's a little silly for people to expect publishers to still put in the time and money to develop games for the PC, but then not take advantage of obvious opportunities to make more money on the platform.
Probably unideal for the consumer, but when has that stopped them? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:22 PM
And when was the last time a big publisher put any time and money into a PC port? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:27 PM
I hope your never in a position of power in my country. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:32 PM
You can still sell DLC n expansion packs (DLC/expansion's started out on PC....) And you could probs sell more copies of t he game if you didn't needlessly increase the price.
And what is the point of PC gaming becoming like console gaming? If folks wanted console gaming they would play games on a console, not play on a PC.
"to develop games for the PC, but then not use the advantages of the platform." - a correction of how that sentence should be. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:34 PM
You're not biased - you're either not a PC gamer, or you're just an idiot. The lack of dedicated servers will kill the game's longevity.
Ever tried playing a game on Xbox Live that's more than a year old and doesn't involve space marines and/or military deathmatch? Hint: you can't find anybody playing online. Matchmaking loses its value when there's nobody looking to play at the exact moment you are. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:39 PM
I never said it was a good thing, or that I supported it. (Though, in this specific case, I do. I don't like the current PC multiplayer model, but that's a comment for another day...)
I'm just trying to say that if people thought PC gaming would stay the same forever, they were being unrealistic. Yes it sucks. No amount of internet petitions or boycotting are going to stop it.
Maybe I feel differently because I don't feel betrayed by a lack of dedicated servers, but I just think the virulent reaction to this is a little ridiculous. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:47 PM
I don't care for online petitions, but I do have a wallet. Valve has a great model, I buy their games, EA has a crappy PC model, didn't buy their games. Look at the sales for Mirrors Edge, that was a great game but included securom, vs Team Fortress 2, which is another great game with the best business model for a game ever.
Do all developers support this? No, support the ones who don't. When more money is to be had not being a douchebag, you have to change your model to fit that.
And there can be no possible reason for you to not like dedicated servers, because even with dedicated servers you can do a matchmaking system, the only thing is you will STILL HAVE BETTER PING AND MORE OPTIONS. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:50 PM
This is what I've been saying, though not necessarily in this thread. People should be voting with their wallet. Not flooding internet forums with tearful posts about IW's betrayal. Not organizing futile petitions. They should be voting with their wallet, and not purchasing the game.
I must apologize for not being clear earlier. This whole controversy is such a clusterfrak at this point, I'm not even sure where I stand on it anymore. *sigh*
05:01 PM
Also, I feel I just must clarify this for you, a dedicated server is not a server browser. It's not choosing from a huge list of servers and joining a specific game or something, if that is what you think. Left 4 Dead has match making, but it also utilizes both P2P and dedicated servers. After you are grouped with a bunch of players, the game looks for a dedicated server for you all to join, and if it can't find one a person host it locally and your ping is far worse.
Now lets say you are a mail man, and one person needs to get a letter to somebody else. Sending that one letter to another person is not a problem. Now lets say there are 5 people sending letters to each other all at the same time and are scatter across the country. It's convoluted, error prone, and inefficent. Now imagine you have a postal center in the middle, where the letters are sent, and everything is sorted, so all the information can be easily sent to the end users. That is a dedicated server.
I do not like matchmaking, maybe you do, but that is not the reason for the out cry. The reason for the outcry is the removal of dedicated servers, which while destroying a bunch of communities, means playing with people really far from you, and a lot of them, means tons of lag. It's just a bad system that breaks when 32 people are playing from global positions, and can break even with 18 people from all around the world. Ever notice how on the xbox it finds players near you? It does that for a reason, a latency driven reason. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
05:04 PM
So at least this way with petitions, n complaints we can tell IW why we aren't buying their game so they can improve on this for MW3. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
05:06 PM
I'm still not driven to vocal outcry like so many others, but I definitely understand where you guys are coming from a little better.
Thanks for explaining. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:15 PM
04:19 PM
"Sense of entitlement"
Like it's a bad thing? If I'm buying something, am I not entitled to get what the fuck I pay for? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:19 PM
"Sense of entitlement"
Like it's a bad thing? If I'm buying something, am I not entitled to get what the fuck I pay for? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:20 PM
I think this sense of entitlement comes from the contribution the mod community has made to the whole series, and how they simply mangled everything that allows community modding.
I'm not sure if this analogy will stick, but here it goes.
"It's as if Counter Strike was banned by Valve" #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:29 PM
"Like it's a bad thing? If I'm buying something, am I not entitled to get what the fuck I pay for?"
well....for this game...since they aren't including what you want...you aren't buying it for what's missing...
So, if it doesn't have what you want....don't buy it?
Perhaps, if the PC community decides not to buy this game then the next game they make they'll learn their lessons. Maybe. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:31 PM
That statement usually refers to a sense of excess entitlement, like PC gamers saying they should get DLC for free when consoles don't, just because "that's how it's always been" or some bullshit and condemning the game because "how dare they use practices created by dumb consoles".
You should have seen people saying they'd boycott fallout 3 DLC on the gamefaqs boards just because it wasn't a free download like how it used to be. It's just sad, and has really hurt the PC gaming crowds image and led to the "PC elitest" stereotype, which in my opinion isn't necessarily true, but partially deserved by the way some of the more vocal PC gamers tend to act. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:38 PM
The points being made are nothing are pc gamers are crying because of a sense of entitlement. I'm entitled to get what I pay for, and I'm saying I will not buy something if it's not worth the money. Even though the product could be good, design decisions that need to be changed, are not being changed, and if they were, I would buy it.
@Cerabret100:
If somebody told me, "you are a douchebag" because I just stole somebody's PS3 who beat up my little brother and broke it, I would say, "Like it's a bad thing, they messed with my little brother." Figure the rest out from there. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:42 PM
The point Kapwan was making (as I interpret it) is that some gamers think that developers owe it to them to make the game that they want just because they have bought the developers game in the past. I'm sorry, if I'm a developer, I am making the game that I want to make and that I think will produce the most profit.
Obviously, this could be the publisher types pushing the developer types towards decisions and I understand nothing is ever a straight line. The point that I feel I am failing to make is that they don't owe you shit just because you have given them money in the past. You paid for a product as is; not for future products.
In summation, you are getting exactly what you pay for. Your paying for 9v9 and match making. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:49 PM
You realize that's how most violence feeds on itself and creates some of the greatest atrocities to ever occur correct?
Not to mention an analogy with no further discussion as to the logic, or evidence to back up said logic is a completely defenseless position.
Not to mention the analogy itself seems flawed or completely irrelevent, which comes from, as stated, you inability, or lack of desire to further explain or back up your position. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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05:09 PM
I do think games should strive to build community and this really seems to be going against that. Don't get me wrong, I am disappointed that they are essentially ruining the game for a subset of gamers.
05:23 PM
You really don't need to 'try' something to notice something missing. If I was selling you a car, but it didn't have brakes, would you try the car first before you asked why the hell it didn't have brakes? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:15 PM
More than anything else in my mind, that was their single biggest misstep, especially since their "community" has embraced it and the acronym is all over their official message boards now, in countless signatures, banners, and topics.
Good job, Infinity Ward, for encouraging people to be hateful and to think it's hilarious to use a slur as some kind of rallying cry.
04:19 PM
04:30 PM
The video is what pushed me from "buy it used" to "never touching my disc tray".
I don't care if the spinning disc creates a holographic manifestation of The Christ to protrude from my XBox and simultaneously forgive me of all my misdeeds and provide me with 72 virgins like a giant snack machine.
I do not care if the game breaks halfway through in intermission and provides "A Very Special Message from Infinity Ward" and says "oh, just kidding guys. Don't encourage homophobic behavior, it's not cool." followed by "THE MORE YOU KNOW" animation they use on NBC, before erupting in a wave of euphoria that sexually satisfies all who behave in matchmaking.
I do not care if the disc installs firmware to my XBox that turns into a Transformer (preferably a Decepticon, for my example, if you guys at IW are taking notes) that can make my coffee, disinfect my shower and keeps my and my girl's feet warm at night at the foot of our bed.
I do not care if they give away this game for free, and PAY ME directly to my PayPal $10 an hour to play it. I'd sooner go and flip burgers as a matter of principle while telling my boss "Whatever you say, man. Because THIS. IS. THE. GAME. OF. THE. YEAR."
Here I thought Treyarch were the bad guys in the whole Call of Duty clusterfuck, but I'm never touching this game, nor anything else by Infinity Ward in the future. I don't care how many people play it, I do not care about it's Metacritic score, I do not care about any political message that I might've aligned with that it might've conveyed.
IW is dead to me, and will remain until they find themselves in a revival that one only finds after they've fallen from climbing to the pinnacle. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
04:08 PM
Really? In what way is limiting max players to 9v9 and removing dedicated servers protecting what veterans love? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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04:17 PM
Involved in the community? it's too bad that they didn't actually consult the PC community on *anything*
What's the point of homogenizing the PC version down to the 360/PS3 versions when people on the consoles don't play it on the PC?
Isn't the point of a game developer to make the best possible game for the platform, and to take advantage of all of that platforms strengths?
Removing all of those strengths for the sake of people *who don't even play on our platform* in the name of 'consumer experience' is the most wrong a developer could ever be.
It is a fine line, and you know what IW?
You just jumped all over that line with muddy shoes while pissing in all our faces and you *still* expect us to believe your bullshit and lies? #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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Then again, he's dead. #callofdutymodernwarfare2
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