I really like Borderlands. I pretty obsessively played through it single-player. For me personally, the second playthrough doesn't have as much appeal (particularly with the other new games on the horizon, and I still have to beat Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2), and I don't enjoy the multiplayer pretty much at all -- You have to be on the same mission if you want to play through any of the story, and it becomes a contest to see who can pick up the cool items first. I'm going to trade it in toward New Super Mario Bros. on Wii next weekend, and start playing Modern Warfare 2 on Tuesday. Don't get me wrong, I thoroughly enjoyed it, but I think I'm pretty much down with it.
And the claptraps I personally found annoying (except for the Sesame Street typerwriter guy impression). #twitter
Everyone is reading this quote like an epic novel, not a Twitter post. This isn't a line in 19th century poetry. The author didn't select every word with the greatest level of thought. #twitter
@toadstoolporridge: Word. I love the Chicken Little-esque mentally around here every time a big name makes a passing comment.
Cliff isn't saying 'Borderlands is Diablo', he's saying that Borderlands is the engaging, and fun kind of game for a lot of people now that Diablo was for a lot of people when it was in its hay-day. #twitter
If Borderlands had collectable armour sets and a loot drop system that didn't make you throw away/sell 99 percent of the crap you found, I might agree.
That said, I can (not so fondly) recall my time spent in Borderlands as using the same gun for about 10 levels before I found one that was even remotely better. Which, without armour to collect, meant I wasn't really using the whole loot system very much unless it was for vendor trash. Kinda downplays the whole constantly looking for better equip from Diablo.
And I love Borderlands... its just not quite up to Diablo standards. #twitter
@Komrade Kayce:
AI agree that Diablo is King. But as for there not being crap drops, I remember picking through junk just as much as borderlands.
The comparison is as valid as it is obvious even i the drop system was even more different. The spirit of the game is similar.
Heck amongs the million easter eggs and puns (Mad Mel anyone) is a bird you fight named Rakanishu that drops a cracked sash.
Borderlands is great and did a bit to tide me over until Diablo 3. Rather than loot system I would point out the more significant difference is no random dungeon generation. Although I can see that being rather troublesome to develop. #twitter
@Komrade Kayce: Yes, incessantly clicking your mouse a couple hundred times per minute without much critical thought behind the action is a high standard of gameplay _ #twitter
I never said it was. It was the loot system that has kept the game alive all these years, and the pvp that can take place with the right build+loot. #twitter
@Komrade Kayce: Ti be fair, in Diablo your total inventory was limited to how much your one character can carry remember?
What I did, however, was make a mule character to hold all of my shit I didn't need but wanted to keep.. Hmmm...maybe I'll do the same for borderlands.... #twitter
@KaneBaker: Wasn't one of the original ideas behind Borderlands was to have randomly generated dungeons?
Borderlands and Diablo do have some similarities but to say it's the new Diablo is a pretty far stretch. You have to look at Diablo I and II beyond just the gameplay, and how it was a phenomenon when it came out. Diablo was a title that was uniqe when it came out and is a title that many older games remember fondly years after they stop playing. Borderlands? It's looking like it'll be forgotten by the game community by next year, if it doesn't get washed out completely by the holiday releases.
And the fact that Borderlands isn't clearly "better" even though Diablo 2 came out years ago isn't a good sign. The game may look prettier, and it's a popular FPS format, but the core of the game isn't better than Diablo 2. There aren't many improvements beyond the outer sheen. For something that's supposed to be the "new" Diablo, the best people can say is that it's the same as Diablo? For it to be the new Diablo people should be saying it's BETTER than Diablo. #twitter
@Leanid: Well Diablo represents a game in an under represented genere. Make no mistake Borderlands is great. The reason I would say it is more than similar (without calling it the new Diablo) is the players motivation and the mechanics of it. Lots of mini quests, the loots, the monsters with random stronger boss ones. I would say asking a game to surpass Diablo on release is nearly impossible. Diablo had the benefit of being genere establishing. Yes it took the existing idea of the dungeon crawl, but it made so much more of it. Borderlands continue this formula it does it very well. My preference for this game type is top down isometric. Still I can enjoy it for what it is, it's a good fix for people that enjoy this sort of addicitve gameplay.
Bonus comment !
The best Diablo clone that seemed sadly over seen, especially considering it did everything right, looked great and played great was Titan Quest. If Blizzard put their name on it it would have been a mega hit. #twitter
I have it, I love it, but let me put a realistic addendum on his quote.
Borderlands is a buggy-as-shit Diablo for this generation.
The list of known issues on their tech support forum is damn ridiculous. That argument about today's games being released with their own plague of bugs and soon-to-be-released patches rings true with this one.
@Dr Durdon: After my experience with Hellgate London, I don't think I can get into this type of game anymore (payed for founders membership + CE). Hellgate was fun but I can't believe they ended up giving the free members more and more each time where my paid perks ended up being worthless and the contents that never got released. Heck none of us founders got our special gifts except a big middle finger.
I guess in time my wounds will heal. Sorry Borderlands, I'm not ready for a rebound of a relationship even though there's no monthly subscription this time around.
@Dr Durdon: ITT people that never played launch versions of either Diablo.
To qualify as "buggy as shit" and have a list be "damn ridiculous", you generally need to have there be more than 20 bugs, which there isn't. And over half of them have already been remedied. Go look back at the patch notes of the very first patch for either Diablo, and then the ones after it. Diablo 1 made it to what, 1.6? and 2 was 1.12? And each was a LAUNDRY LIST of things needing fixing or rebalancing. #twitter
@Jennacide: To release a game that needs a patch within the first two weeks on a console system? That's buggy as shit, and damn ridiculous. Millions of dollars spent on a game can't guarantee that my save file won't be corrupted? Or that my skill points won't be completely removed after enjoying some co-op? Attributes acting incorrectly or not at all, bugs that completely freeze the game for some. These are game-breaking problems for most people. I'd argue that my original statement holds plenty of water, especially given that I have experienced a couple of these.
That said, the game is a shitload of fun. #twitter
I'm giving this game the multiplayer longevity test before I play it.
With so many games coming out, and only so much time, there have to be ways to test if games are really worth it.
For a multiplayer game like this, I think that if people are still playing in 6 months, then it will be worth playing.
Hell, it's probably worth playing now, but I just can't justifying buying another game at the moment, my pockets are only so deep and I can only spend so many hours on the couch. #twitter
I got my PS3 slim on Thursday and borrowed a copy of this game while waiting for my copy to arrive. I got up until level 17 on the first day and as of moments ago, I was at level 30 after dedicating a lot of time to it yesterday and today.
When I was walking back to return a quest, the game froze. I left it for a few minutes and saw that it was still stuck like that so I restarted the console. When I booted up, the character I made was gone and to my horror, the data was corrupted.
This is nothing new and the game is marred with glitches. I'd still play it again but for now, I just need a break. I'm so pissed right now.
Also, this game is like Diet Diablo. There's not much you can do as far as replay values go. #twitter
There are tons of guns in the game it self and a lot of the rare guns in the game are still hidden since the game just came out 2-3 weeks ago. It's a good purchase since it's very addicting and fun to play with friends or strangers.
It's just that when you finish the game the second time, there's not much to do except run around looking for said guns. Another problem with it is that there are a lot of glitches and some of them like my problem right here, is game breaking. #twitter
I was about to question the idea of calling Borderlands "Diablo for a new generation" (I can imagine that there are plenty of people who love both) until I saw the bit about first-person shooters. I can see that.
I've found this game to be really interesting, from what I've seen and heard and read. I do have a question, though:
Let's say that I'm a big 'story' person in my shooters. I've already heard that the game's main story is pretty thin, but I think I could get by on, say, pieces of background information scattered around. Does Borderlands have anything like this, for people who enjoy a bit of context with their shooting? Thanks! #twitter
A friend of mine, who loves the game, had told me that the game provided story tidbits for those who were interested. (I've gotten burned out in the past on shooters that didn't seem to have much of *any* story, so needless to say I was a bit wary.) #twitter
Randy, if you're reading (and I know you do, DuvalMagic), I want more. Sequel or DLC. I don't care. I just want it.
My only problem with Borderlands was that I reached level 50 too quickly. It only took me 26 hours to reach it. The nice thing about Diablo was that it took a hell of a lot longer to reach the level max. #twitter
11/07/09
And the claptraps I personally found annoying (except for the Sesame Street typerwriter guy impression). #twitter
11/07/09
12:55 AM
Cliff isn't saying 'Borderlands is Diablo', he's saying that Borderlands is the engaging, and fun kind of game for a lot of people now that Diablo was for a lot of people when it was in its hay-day. #twitter
11/07/09
But of course, the game being nice does not entitle the guy spokesperson of the year. His mouth is as trashy as the Borderlands scenario. #twitter
11/07/09
When Diablo 3 comes out, I will probably play it 10 hours a day for the first 6 months after it comes out.
That's all I really have to say on that. #twitter
11/07/09
That said, I can (not so fondly) recall my time spent in Borderlands as using the same gun for about 10 levels before I found one that was even remotely better. Which, without armour to collect, meant I wasn't really using the whole loot system very much unless it was for vendor trash. Kinda downplays the whole constantly looking for better equip from Diablo.
And I love Borderlands... its just not quite up to Diablo standards. #twitter
11/07/09
AI agree that Diablo is King. But as for there not being crap drops, I remember picking through junk just as much as borderlands.
The comparison is as valid as it is obvious even i the drop system was even more different. The spirit of the game is similar.
Heck amongs the million easter eggs and puns (Mad Mel anyone) is a bird you fight named Rakanishu that drops a cracked sash.
Borderlands is great and did a bit to tide me over until Diablo 3. Rather than loot system I would point out the more significant difference is no random dungeon generation. Although I can see that being rather troublesome to develop. #twitter
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I never said it was. It was the loot system that has kept the game alive all these years, and the pvp that can take place with the right build+loot. #twitter
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What I did, however, was make a mule character to hold all of my shit I didn't need but wanted to keep.. Hmmm...maybe I'll do the same for borderlands.... #twitter
11/07/09
Borderlands and Diablo do have some similarities but to say it's the new Diablo is a pretty far stretch. You have to look at Diablo I and II beyond just the gameplay, and how it was a phenomenon when it came out. Diablo was a title that was uniqe when it came out and is a title that many older games remember fondly years after they stop playing. Borderlands? It's looking like it'll be forgotten by the game community by next year, if it doesn't get washed out completely by the holiday releases.
And the fact that Borderlands isn't clearly "better" even though Diablo 2 came out years ago isn't a good sign. The game may look prettier, and it's a popular FPS format, but the core of the game isn't better than Diablo 2. There aren't many improvements beyond the outer sheen. For something that's supposed to be the "new" Diablo, the best people can say is that it's the same as Diablo? For it to be the new Diablo people should be saying it's BETTER than Diablo. #twitter
12:20 AM
Bonus comment !
The best Diablo clone that seemed sadly over seen, especially considering it did everything right, looked great and played great was Titan Quest. If Blizzard put their name on it it would have been a mega hit. #twitter
11/07/09
I can't be the only one who thinks of this every time they mention that damn garbage can. #twitter
11/07/09
Borderlands is a buggy-as-shit Diablo for this generation.
The list of known issues on their tech support forum is damn ridiculous. That argument about today's games being released with their own plague of bugs and soon-to-be-released patches rings true with this one.
Good thing it's fun as fuck. #twitter
11/07/09
I guess in time my wounds will heal. Sorry Borderlands, I'm not ready for a rebound of a relationship even though there's no monthly subscription this time around.
11/07/09
To qualify as "buggy as shit" and have a list be "damn ridiculous", you generally need to have there be more than 20 bugs, which there isn't. And over half of them have already been remedied. Go look back at the patch notes of the very first patch for either Diablo, and then the ones after it. Diablo 1 made it to what, 1.6? and 2 was 1.12? And each was a LAUNDRY LIST of things needing fixing or rebalancing. #twitter
11/07/09
That said, the game is a shitload of fun. #twitter
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With so many games coming out, and only so much time, there have to be ways to test if games are really worth it.
For a multiplayer game like this, I think that if people are still playing in 6 months, then it will be worth playing.
Hell, it's probably worth playing now, but I just can't justifying buying another game at the moment, my pockets are only so deep and I can only spend so many hours on the couch. #twitter
11/07/09
When I was walking back to return a quest, the game froze. I left it for a few minutes and saw that it was still stuck like that so I restarted the console. When I booted up, the character I made was gone and to my horror, the data was corrupted.
This is nothing new and the game is marred with glitches. I'd still play it again but for now, I just need a break. I'm so pissed right now.
Also, this game is like Diet Diablo. There's not much you can do as far as replay values go. #twitter
11/07/09
If there is....then...well I'm going to have to make a trip to Gamestop....regardless of my life/friends/family/sanity. #twitter
11/07/09
There are tons of guns in the game it self and a lot of the rare guns in the game are still hidden since the game just came out 2-3 weeks ago. It's a good purchase since it's very addicting and fun to play with friends or strangers.
It's just that when you finish the game the second time, there's not much to do except run around looking for said guns. Another problem with it is that there are a lot of glitches and some of them like my problem right here, is game breaking. #twitter
11/07/09
I mean...Dialbo II was a lifestyle man. #twitter
11/07/09
If they make clap trap figurines, I hope they make one with the evil clap trap. He was the best one of them all. #twitter
11/07/09
I've found this game to be really interesting, from what I've seen and heard and read. I do have a question, though:
Let's say that I'm a big 'story' person in my shooters. I've already heard that the game's main story is pretty thin, but I think I could get by on, say, pieces of background information scattered around. Does Borderlands have anything like this, for people who enjoy a bit of context with their shooting? Thanks! #twitter
11/07/09
The game definitely knows not to take itself too seriously. #twitter
11/07/09
Sounds good, thanks!
A friend of mine, who loves the game, had told me that the game provided story tidbits for those who were interested. (I've gotten burned out in the past on shooters that didn't seem to have much of *any* story, so needless to say I was a bit wary.) #twitter
11/07/09
click. click. clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick... #twitter
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My only problem with Borderlands was that I reached level 50 too quickly. It only took me 26 hours to reach it. The nice thing about Diablo was that it took a hell of a lot longer to reach the level max. #twitter