I've heard that there's a reason why so many 360s and PS3s die during firmware updates... Its supposedly to do with rarely used files within the hardware, or even rarely used parts of the hardware itself becoming corrupted/damaged. On a day-to-day basis these parts aren't being used so its unlikely they'll cause a problem, but when it comes to updating the firmware the console will look for the files and be like "WTF!? BOOM!" and die on its arse.
So Sony is most likely in the right on these court cases... whilst technically the firmware does make the problems manifest themselves, they aren't their initial cause! #ps3
@exion: Then I think Sony and Microsoft need some sort of fail-safe in place so either the user can fix a borked update on their own or fix it for free. With the iPhone there are a few ways you can recover your phone if anything were to happen during a firmware update. Firmware updates are great and all but it has the potential to screw up your system if everything doesn't go smoothly. #ps3
@ichiban1081: This I agree with, whereas I don't think lawsuits are the way forward, they might at least make Sony/MS reconsider implementing a rollback feature... You can unofficially do this on the PSP with a pandora's battery (a bricked PSP can be revived and reverted to an earlier firmware by using a combination of special/modified battery and memory stick) which is awesome, but for the very same reason it's unlikely to occur for the PS3/360 due to it opening up earlier firmwares that are more prone to firmware exploits and potentially opening up the floodgates to piracy without hardware mods.
As for it being entirely Sony's fault, that I disagree with... if it's a bug directly caused by the firmware, fair enough, that's their fault, but if the firmware merely bugs out due to bits of hardware being inaccessible because of damage caused by dust, moisture or nesting cockroaches within the hardware, which is what I was really getting at in my initial post, then sony/microsoft shouldn't be held accountable. #ps3
@exion: Nesting cockroaches... I can just imagine a Sony/MS employee opening your console to fix a problem and seeing a cockroach melted next to the GPU. Embarrassing, but I do agree with you about those points as well. #ps3
@ichiban1081: it's more common than you'd imagine... Apparently its a common problem that console repair shops experience, especially in the more humid marts of North America...
Though according to a friend of mine who used to work repairing and modding consoles, they used to get at least 5 consoles a week which had stopped working because they were crammed with cockroaches who were presumably trying to keep warm, nestled in the belly of a playstation. gross, eh? #ps3
@exion: LOL, gross and embarrassing. Thanks for that information though, didn't think that would be such a common problem but it does make sense and if that is the case with people's game consoles dieing then you are right, the manufacturer shouldn't have to pay. Maybe they need to work something out after you already send in your console. #ps3
To everyone defending these idiots and claiming "Sony should do it because MS has a 3yr Warranty and fixed my X360 5 times already". Please STFU... The reason MS has a 3yr RROD Warranty is because their failure rate is insanely high, I doubt the PS3's is even in the double digits.
MS did it to avoid a class action lawsuit, simple as that. Their console is known for its failures... the PS3 is not. I am a 60gb owner and have not had any issue with my console. #ps3
@EGBTMagus: I agree. I have owned each console since launch and my 60gb PS3 is the only console that didn't fail. I am really quite impressed with that with how much it is used. #ps3
@EGBTMagus:
So, just because Sony has a lower failure rate, they should not be responsible for those failures?
People buy a product on the basis that it works, if it stops working because of something the manufacturer did (ie, release faulty firmware), then it should be the manufacturer's responsibility to cover the cost of fixing the problem.
To use an example from the last time this issue came up, Sony charging people to repair consoles bricked by the firmware is like someone driving into your house and breaking a wall, then charging you to fix it.
If Sony is at fault (which is for the courts to decide), then they should be liable for the cost of repairs.
Consumers have rights, we should be applauding those who fight for them, not cheering for the company abusing them. #ps3
@Your_Neighborhood_Spaceman: @Akihiko: @EGBTMagus: I would laugh my ass off if, in an ironic twist, you log out of kotaku and turn on your machine to play a little Uncharted 2 and it gives you the YLOD fuck off sign.
Don't lie. I know your type. Right now, you're full of bravado yet as soon as you have a problem you'll be up there front and centered trying to cash in on their lawsuit. No question. #ps3
@NeVeRMoRe666: To be honest, no, I wouldn't. It would give me justification to buy a PS3 slim. There are far better things to get upset over than an appliance taking a dive. As a side note, I can easily simulate the experience of being bricked when I try to connect to Homeâ„¢. #ps3
It's true that watching TV could be considered a waste of time, but watching a well written story and learning from it or being affected by it could have a better impact on one's life than playing a level over and over again using the same weapon to get a kill x with y method trophy/achievement in a game. Game stories are simple and predictable like kung fu movies or porn. The actual gaming slightly increases our reflexes and may also improve problem solving. That is, if your boss at the restaurant wants you to navigate down a treacherous passageway with flamethrower to get the key to the cold room. A movie might teach people social skills that don't involve collecting orbs from dead foes to power up..
What about video games that make you smarter? Stuff like "You don't know Jack" and "Oregon Trail" surely enriched my life when I was younger and helped make me a smarter and better person. Wasn't there a recent study that Tetris helps the brain or that Brain Age helps fight Alzheimers? I guess I shouldn't be suprised that Tomino's opinion is kinda ignorant, but I guess I just expected more for....whatever reason.
@Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H.: So true. I'm not a big of a fan of all the voice acting these days.
Grandia 3 was absolutely horrific (aside from the battle system), I hated every single character, mainly because of the personalities given to them by their voices. RPGs nowadays don't require as much imagination/engagement (story-wise) from the player.
I saw the line, "Has there been a game that was better than Tetris? How many years has it been now?"
Now THAT is throwing down a gauntlet right there.
BETTER than Tetris!? BETTER?!
If you think about it, Tetris is like "THE" game that people think about when you say "Puzzle Game", and is also the game that is pretty much on every possible gaming platform known to man. If you got a game platform that doesn't have a Tetris game on it in some form or another, just wait a little bit.
But the idea that anyone can make a game BETTER than Tetris, a Tetris-Killer if you will, is the kind of thing that makes me go:
"Is that even possible?"
Pajitnov, jolly Russian soul that he is, was really on to something when he made Tetris those 25 years ago. And in 25 years, no single game is as more prevalent as his. Not Space Invaders, not Pac-Man, nor Donkey Kong!
What could developers in this day and age do to make a game that would have as much lasting staying power and world-wide recognition as Tetris?
Oh Tomino. He's always had trace mixes of nuts. You know that he admitted to having homicidal tendencies in an interview, and that anime allowed him to kill his characters, thereby experiencing that catharsis without, you know, actually killing someone.
Tomino has always been rather eccentric, and nothing he says should be taken at face value.
The only thing I can see here is the contradiction. Not just the fact that gundam appears on video games, but the fact that his show originated on TV, which one can, using his argument, easily "prove" that it is just as unproductive and therefore evil. All work and no play...
A game that doesn't negatively affect our daily lives? But he's basically saying that anytime you sit down to "waste your time" playing a game is a negative experience. I don't get it. What does he want, exactly? A video game that will do your homework for you, make your dinner, and clean your house while you play?
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So Sony is most likely in the right on these court cases... whilst technically the firmware does make the problems manifest themselves, they aren't their initial cause! #ps3
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As for it being entirely Sony's fault, that I disagree with... if it's a bug directly caused by the firmware, fair enough, that's their fault, but if the firmware merely bugs out due to bits of hardware being inaccessible because of damage caused by dust, moisture or nesting cockroaches within the hardware, which is what I was really getting at in my initial post, then sony/microsoft shouldn't be held accountable. #ps3
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Here's a commonly mentioned story:
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Though according to a friend of mine who used to work repairing and modding consoles, they used to get at least 5 consoles a week which had stopped working because they were crammed with cockroaches who were presumably trying to keep warm, nestled in the belly of a playstation. gross, eh? #ps3
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MS did it to avoid a class action lawsuit, simple as that. Their console is known for its failures... the PS3 is not. I am a 60gb owner and have not had any issue with my console. #ps3
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So, just because Sony has a lower failure rate, they should not be responsible for those failures?
People buy a product on the basis that it works, if it stops working because of something the manufacturer did (ie, release faulty firmware), then it should be the manufacturer's responsibility to cover the cost of fixing the problem.
To use an example from the last time this issue came up, Sony charging people to repair consoles bricked by the firmware is like someone driving into your house and breaking a wall, then charging you to fix it.
If Sony is at fault (which is for the courts to decide), then they should be liable for the cost of repairs.
Consumers have rights, we should be applauding those who fight for them, not cheering for the company abusing them. #ps3
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Don't lie. I know your type. Right now, you're full of bravado yet as soon as you have a problem you'll be up there front and centered trying to cash in on their lawsuit. No question. #ps3
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I totally agree with you, I was hoping for a little more reason or specific examples or something.
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Grandia 3 was absolutely horrific (aside from the battle system), I hated every single character, mainly because of the personalities given to them by their voices. RPGs nowadays don't require as much imagination/engagement (story-wise) from the player.
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Now THAT is throwing down a gauntlet right there.
BETTER than Tetris!? BETTER?!
If you think about it, Tetris is like "THE" game that people think about when you say "Puzzle Game", and is also the game that is pretty much on every possible gaming platform known to man. If you got a game platform that doesn't have a Tetris game on it in some form or another, just wait a little bit.
But the idea that anyone can make a game BETTER than Tetris, a Tetris-Killer if you will, is the kind of thing that makes me go:
"Is that even possible?"
Pajitnov, jolly Russian soul that he is, was really on to something when he made Tetris those 25 years ago. And in 25 years, no single game is as more prevalent as his. Not Space Invaders, not Pac-Man, nor Donkey Kong!
What could developers in this day and age do to make a game that would have as much lasting staying power and world-wide recognition as Tetris?
Now THAT is a good question!
~Otaku-Man
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Tomino has always been rather eccentric, and nothing he says should be taken at face value.
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He's just dealing with a "Kill'em all mood." Let him work it out of his system and he'll be back to sunshine Tomino.
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