yeah, I agree about not needing next gen systems yet. I still havent gotten one because I'm still playing on my PS2 and Xbox. I've got a small stack of games I haven't started yet (including Kingdom Hearts 2, GTA3, and lego star wars)
Someday I'll get a new system. I'm really excited about CoD4, Modern Warfare. And that new zombie game, dead rising. :D
That PS3 mod list is really something... it reads at points like some sort of hellish mash-up of google translate and Nigerian spam. And numbers 15 & 5 are just different pictures of the exact same case mod.
I'm a bit surprised that the whole "let us advertise Shadowman 2 on your relative's grave" Acclaim promotion didn't hit the Top 10 list, but... the ones on there were pretty good (mostly).
@2NinjasTapedTogether: Aaah yes that was the Acclaim promo I was thinking about! It was somewhere in the back of my mind. It really should have been on that list, and if I'm not mistaken Acclaim bungled one or two other promotions too.
The fact that I couldn't remember the name of the game says something.
@Bouchart: My guess is that they just didn't want to kick Acclaim while they're non-existent.
The only reason I remember it so well is because the original Shadowman is one of my favorite all time games and I still have nightmares of how Acclaim fucked up the sequel.
@AncientUnknown1: Well, RIGHT NOW I don't think we've reached the limits of our consoles. Game devs keep pushing the limits with each game release. When we hit the limit or close to it a next-gen console would be appreciated.
However the Wii could definitely use an update. Any word on that rumored Wii HD?
@AncientUnknown1: Forward is not always forward. Jumping to a new development cycle definitely does NOT allow for better games. And there's no "stagnation" on what we have compared to what we had before.
@AncientUnknown1: Read the article before you bitch.
It makes a pretty good point about current console's evolving rather than just relying on an entirely new system.
@Ueziel: "Jumping to a new development cycle definitely does NOT allow for better games."
So stronger hardware and more features DO NOT ALLOW for better games? As in, they in no way make possible for better graphics, better sound, or better gameplay through stronger hardware capable of generating more realistic physics? Then we must have different ideas of what is "better".
I'm quite certain Halo 3 would not be as great on the original Xbox, or Uncharted 2 on the PS2. At least not without major graphical demotions and feature reductions.
@AncientUnknown1: I think what was intended by " Jumping to a new development cycle definitely does NOT allow for better games." is supposed to refer to the games themselves content-wise and how they play rather than those components which you mentioned. New technology doesn't mean the games are going to be any more bearable to play through. It's hard to deny that there's been a LOT of complete shit released from during this hardware generation. More mediocre and just plain bad than there have been phenomenal games.
@discoetheque: I would give most people here the benefit of that doubt, but not him.
True, there is no guarantee that hardware makes a game better. But it certainly allows for the possibility.
And that's what I want. I want developers to have more possibilities to make better games. 5-year console cycles seem to be the sweet spot between giving devs long enough to become fluent with a console, and short enough to keep the industry progressing.
@AncientUnknown1: Apparently we do have different ideas on what's better. Better sound is honestly a total crapshoot though as game music and sound really hasn't changed at all in the last five years and most game music was far better about ten years ago. Realistic physics does not instantly mean better. Better graphics does not instantly mean more fun. And "better gameplay" is impossible to quantify at this point because you have no way of explaining it.
Better hardware does not instantly mean games are more fun. At all. Ever.
VGcharts says that the RRoD is often used slanderously in heated debates.
Problem is that it isn't slanderous if it's true. It's like saying the sky is blue or that the majority of US citizens enjoys Christmas.
I personally don't know a single person at all that didn't get the RRoD. That includes personal friends, acquaintances, and colleagues. And then the internet was ablaze with RRoD comments. No one was safe from MS's terror as far as I know.
@ReynaldoRiv: I personally don't know a singl eperson at all from australia or europe or canada or south america or antarctica or japan or china or russia. Ergo, they do not exist.
@WhiteMåge: You see that would have been witty if it weren't for the fact that your attention span wasn't able to hang on those last few moments to read the final five words.
It's okay though it happens to everyone :P
Hell, I admited I misquoted something about PS3 3D firmware somewhere on this particular article.
@deanbmmv: By that logic, this guy also knew lots of people who haven't come close to experiencing RROD. I thought it was pretty blatant from context we were referring to real life people we personally know and making broad statements about people at large based on them.
@WhiteMåge: Oh. Well I don't know anyone who hasn't had RROD on their 360 either.
Though while I wouldn't say that means a 100% RROD rate, it makes that 65% number from a couple months back fairly believable.
@deanbmmv: yeah, my point was that regardless of if he said "I personally" or "as far as I know", he still used "I don't know anyone who hasn't experienced this" as part of an argument, which is quite a silly thing to do.
And I don't know if Kotaku tells you when people write you messages, but I just sent you one.
@Thorax: hahahaha So true. T he PS3 was probably the last high-end purchase I made with nothing but cash (that means no gamestop credit or gift cards).
600 clams for the whole kit and caboodle, but man was it worth it.
@Thorax: Well I paid $600 after also getting Soul Calibur 4 and Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm limed edition.
The PS3 came used for only 400 and was a 60GB model. I wasn't going to let that deal go!
BC was definitely worth it, So far I've beaten God of War 1 and Shadow of the Colossus and have started FFXII and Abe's Oddysee. All in addition to my PS3 games. All that gaming in one single device is amazing, I don't regret the purchase in the least
@ReynaldoRiv: See, that's what justified my purchase of the PS3 over the 360. It's a fantastic console, but with the PS3 I have a huge library of PS2-1 games that I can get for dirt cheap.
Hell, most of the games in my "to be completed" pile are PS2 games. And I'm not even close to done buying them.
It's all true and I see no reason to upgrade anytime soon. Unless of course you happen to exclusively own a Wii, in which case I can see why you'd think it's dumb since almost none of it applies to you.
If however you have a 360 or PS3 I see no reason to disagree with the IGN list.
@ReynaldoRiv: there's a fair bit of missing/wrong info in that list. For example, 3D gaming - no hardware needed. Unfortunately, new hardware is needed in the form of a new TV.
@excel_excel: Yes, they do. If you're argument is based solely on select new IPs failing, then that's just ridiculous.
Rock Band was a successful new IP this gen. As well as Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Uncharted, Resistance, Gears of War, Borderlands, Dead Space, SKATE...etc.
Some IP's fail. That will never change, no matter how long we stay on this generation.
If you love the 360, go ahead keep playing it for the next 5 years. It won't bother me one bit. I, however, will be looking to play the next-gen games as soon as possible.
@AncientUnknown1: Uh, I think you're only looking at sales numbers and not how much those games are really making.
And your entire point is completely moot because "no matter the generation" games will fail. So why bother upping more development costs and leaving some developers behind completely again?
"Next-gen games" is such a total non-term it's ridiculous. Games won't instantly be better just because it's on newer hardware. You can sit there and be a high-minded junior analyst who's pretty much blinded by technology but the rest of us will live over here in reality.
@Ueziel: You know what's moot? Saying better hardware doesn't allow for better games. That's just crazy.
Secondly, upgrading to a new generation has nothing to do with reducing the rate of new IP failures. What the hell is your point? Upgrading is about playing better games. It ends there. Trying to strawman someone with some ridiculous garbage isn't going to change that.
Talk about being moot.
"Next-gen games" isn't a term? So you don't see ANY DIFFERENCE at all between PS3 and PS2 games? Are you actually oblivious or just feigning it?
Whatever reality you're living in certainly isn't the one the rest of us are living in.
@AncientUnknown1: Explain how a game is "next-gen." What makes a game more "next-gen" than what we have now? You haven't explained it at all.
No, there's no real difference between PS2 and PS3 games. They're still the same genre. It's just prettier. That isn't instantly better. I still play RPGs the same, pick courses in a racing game the same, and use button combos to juggle enemies all the same.
Saying that better hardware DOES instantly create better games is laughable in the extreme.
@Ueziel: If you can't tell the difference PS2 and PS3 games, (between Killzone 1 and Killzone 2, between Gran Turismo 4 and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue) then I've got nothing more to say to you. Good day.
@AncientUnknown1: Haha, the absolute reasoning of someone with nothing to back up their claim.
Enhanced physics between Killzone 1 and 2 didn't make the game more fun. Prettier graphics didn't make it anything other than another generic shooter. It changed nothing in the gameplay. It didn't change Gran Turismo 5 at all.
If you can't see how wrong you are, you might as well just stop. Good day.
@Ueziel: LOL! You just can't stop making a fool of yourself can you?
But I am a fool as well. Here I am thinking I could have intelligent discussion with some who can't even discern the massive improvements in graphics and physics in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue over GT4. In simulation games physics and graphics are gameplay. It's why they are called simulations. Better graphics and physics equals better gameplay. But again, how could I expect you to understand that? Or the power of great graphics in Killzone 2 to bring a greater level of immersion to the player than anything possible on the PS2.
But your fake mocking and juvenile understanding of everything has finally gone too far. You've gone beyond being wrong and disrespectful. You've now entered the realm of trolling.
Hats off to you Kotaku for posting things from around the web, that's, wow, not something you see often and is common practice here. If I was wearing a hat I'd tip it to you.
I agree as strongly as one could about why we don't want the next gen systems yet. I didn't want this gen we have now as soon as it hit.
I play a lot--at least right now--of games and even though I'll drop 10 hours a day on my days off into a game I still haven't beaten half of what I own. We need more time.
@Friedhamster: This has been a regular feature for several months now.
But a very nice one at that. Owens done a Good job of filling in the weekends.
As far as gens changing, I think with the longer spans on game development it would just be a PIA to change gens. Currently this gen is 'good enough' and that seems to be the big buzz word these days.
@Friedhamster: I know what you mean. I still have games from last generation laying around that I haven't put enough time into.
There are also games from the PS1 era and earlier, which I do not own, that I seriously need to play at some point.
The unfortunate reality is that the amount of time I can devote to gaming remains constant but the number of playable and quality games is always increasing.
I don't even know what's going to happen to me when the next version of Dwarf Fortress is finally released.
@AncientUnknown1: Then perhaps you can just move to the PS3? It's going to have that wand-based waggle the Wii currently has, and it does pretty much everything important that the 360 can.
@WhiteMåge: Tobal 2 (A quick Google search would of told you) is a Squarsoft (You know, chocobo inventors) Fighting game.
Hence it being " the only game in which you’ll have the opportunity to" beat the living shit out of a Chocobo.
didn't Steam Punk lose its sheen a while back when it became so overdone?
Also, why is it always London that gets hit with the dodgy PR stutnts? (They missed the Red Faction car break in stunt) Seriously before Dantes Inferno come out Visceral are just going to call in several thousand tons of abettor leftovers and just fill the streets of London, then as a grand finale accidentally summon a demon.
Oh yeah, My sister likes PETA's cooking mama spoof far too much :P
@deanbmmv: Knowing Visceral Games, they'll send postcards to every major game editor to attend a huge festival giving away millions.
At the end of the night, all the attendees will be told that their greed brought them here (the party), but if they had stayed home they would have gotten a visit from someone holding a million dollar check specifically for them.
I'm sure the attendees would have turned it from a greed fest to:
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Someday I'll get a new system. I'm really excited about CoD4, Modern Warfare. And that new zombie game, dead rising. :D
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Quite amusing.
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The fact that I couldn't remember the name of the game says something.
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The only reason I remember it so well is because the original Shadowman is one of my favorite all time games and I still have nightmares of how Acclaim fucked up the sequel.
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New gens cause excitement and allow for better games. Who wants to stagnate at the current limitations?
I'd bet my house that if a new console was announced tomorrow most of these same journos would be wetting themselves in excitement.
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However the Wii could definitely use an update. Any word on that rumored Wii HD?
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It makes a pretty good point about current console's evolving rather than just relying on an entirely new system.
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So stronger hardware and more features DO NOT ALLOW for better games? As in, they in no way make possible for better graphics, better sound, or better gameplay through stronger hardware capable of generating more realistic physics? Then we must have different ideas of what is "better".
I'm quite certain Halo 3 would not be as great on the original Xbox, or Uncharted 2 on the PS2. At least not without major graphical demotions and feature reductions.
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True, there is no guarantee that hardware makes a game better. But it certainly allows for the possibility.
And that's what I want. I want developers to have more possibilities to make better games. 5-year console cycles seem to be the sweet spot between giving devs long enough to become fluent with a console, and short enough to keep the industry progressing.
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Better hardware does not instantly mean games are more fun. At all. Ever.
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Don't make bogus unfounded assumption about other people before you...how do you put it?
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VGcharts says that the RRoD is often used slanderously in heated debates.
Problem is that it isn't slanderous if it's true. It's like saying the sky is blue or that the majority of US citizens enjoys Christmas.
I personally don't know a single person at all that didn't get the RRoD. That includes personal friends, acquaintances, and colleagues. And then the internet was ablaze with RRoD comments. No one was safe from MS's terror as far as I know.
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It's okay though it happens to everyone :P
Hell, I admited I misquoted something about PS3 3D firmware somewhere on this particular article.
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Though while I wouldn't say that means a 100% RROD rate, it makes that 65% number from a couple months back fairly believable.
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And I don't know if Kotaku tells you when people write you messages, but I just sent you one.
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600 clams for the whole kit and caboodle, but man was it worth it.
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Still, it's BC.
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Just an example, the argument that games costs too much. They also make more money now than ever before. It balances out.
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The PS3 came used for only 400 and was a 60GB model. I wasn't going to let that deal go!
BC was definitely worth it, So far I've beaten God of War 1 and Shadow of the Colossus and have started FFXII and Abe's Oddysee. All in addition to my PS3 games. All that gaming in one single device is amazing, I don't regret the purchase in the least
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Hell, most of the games in my "to be completed" pile are PS2 games. And I'm not even close to done buying them.
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Here is the advertisement just in case nobody remembers...
...Then again, Romero's brainchild was doomed from the start due to his lack of management.
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It's all true and I see no reason to upgrade anytime soon. Unless of course you happen to exclusively own a Wii, in which case I can see why you'd think it's dumb since almost none of it applies to you.
If however you have a 360 or PS3 I see no reason to disagree with the IGN list.
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Games do cost more today, but they also make more money today than ever before.
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Rock Band was a successful new IP this gen. As well as Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Uncharted, Resistance, Gears of War, Borderlands, Dead Space, SKATE...etc.
Some IP's fail. That will never change, no matter how long we stay on this generation.
If you love the 360, go ahead keep playing it for the next 5 years. It won't bother me one bit. I, however, will be looking to play the next-gen games as soon as possible.
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And your entire point is completely moot because "no matter the generation" games will fail. So why bother upping more development costs and leaving some developers behind completely again?
"Next-gen games" is such a total non-term it's ridiculous. Games won't instantly be better just because it's on newer hardware. You can sit there and be a high-minded junior analyst who's pretty much blinded by technology but the rest of us will live over here in reality.
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Secondly, upgrading to a new generation has nothing to do with reducing the rate of new IP failures. What the hell is your point? Upgrading is about playing better games. It ends there. Trying to strawman someone with some ridiculous garbage isn't going to change that.
Talk about being moot.
"Next-gen games" isn't a term? So you don't see ANY DIFFERENCE at all between PS3 and PS2 games? Are you actually oblivious or just feigning it?
Whatever reality you're living in certainly isn't the one the rest of us are living in.
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No, there's no real difference between PS2 and PS3 games. They're still the same genre. It's just prettier. That isn't instantly better. I still play RPGs the same, pick courses in a racing game the same, and use button combos to juggle enemies all the same.
Saying that better hardware DOES instantly create better games is laughable in the extreme.
You're just totally blinded on this.
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Enhanced physics between Killzone 1 and 2 didn't make the game more fun. Prettier graphics didn't make it anything other than another generic shooter. It changed nothing in the gameplay. It didn't change Gran Turismo 5 at all.
If you can't see how wrong you are, you might as well just stop. Good day.
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But I am a fool as well. Here I am thinking I could have intelligent discussion with some who can't even discern the massive improvements in graphics and physics in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue over GT4. In simulation games physics and graphics are gameplay. It's why they are called simulations. Better graphics and physics equals better gameplay. But again, how could I expect you to understand that? Or the power of great graphics in Killzone 2 to bring a greater level of immersion to the player than anything possible on the PS2.
But your fake mocking and juvenile understanding of everything has finally gone too far. You've gone beyond being wrong and disrespectful. You've now entered the realm of trolling.
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I agree as strongly as one could about why we don't want the next gen systems yet. I didn't want this gen we have now as soon as it hit.
I play a lot--at least right now--of games and even though I'll drop 10 hours a day on my days off into a game I still haven't beaten half of what I own. We need more time.
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But a very nice one at that. Owens done a Good job of filling in the weekends.
As far as gens changing, I think with the longer spans on game development it would just be a PIA to change gens. Currently this gen is 'good enough' and that seems to be the big buzz word these days.
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There are also games from the PS1 era and earlier, which I do not own, that I seriously need to play at some point.
The unfortunate reality is that the amount of time I can devote to gaming remains constant but the number of playable and quality games is always increasing.
I don't even know what's going to happen to me when the next version of Dwarf Fortress is finally released.
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The PS3 seems like it still has some life left, but the Wii and 360 are due for replacements.
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PS3 seems like a fine investment to me.
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And they have weird taste. #1 is just...spattered with red. D:
What is Tobal 2? And why are there chocobos in it? 0_o
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Hence it being " the only game in which you’ll have the opportunity to" beat the living shit out of a Chocobo.
6:30 in
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Also, why is it always London that gets hit with the dodgy PR stutnts? (They missed the Red Faction car break in stunt) Seriously before Dantes Inferno come out Visceral are just going to call in several thousand tons of abettor leftovers and just fill the streets of London, then as a grand finale accidentally summon a demon.
Oh yeah, My sister likes PETA's cooking mama spoof far too much :P
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At the end of the night, all the attendees will be told that their greed brought them here (the party), but if they had stayed home they would have gotten a visit from someone holding a million dollar check specifically for them.
I'm sure the attendees would have turned it from a greed fest to:
The Seventh Circle of Hell - Violence
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Surely if you want people to stop doing it you don't teach them how to in the first place.
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If you hate on me, you must hate Gizmodo first.
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...or possibly brass.
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